Valter is very upset right now.

0:12 Hi, I'm Travis. I'm Emma. And this is Bestie Approved. This is weird because we're not together today, like in real life. We're not. We're filming remotely so that we can have guests eventually. Yeah, it's a little practice for us, but it's okay. What's the last song you listened to? I'm laughing because I know who it was. Let's Go by Juicy J and Wiz Khalifa. Okay, sure. Can I just say Juicy J is a musician and an icon. Like, he's actually so talented. Do you remember the remakes of Die Young that he did with Kesha?

0:56 Yes. I think about that every day. He's produced music for everyone. He's an artist, and I don't think he gets the appreciation he deserves. He doesn't. What's the last song you listened to? Walk Me Home by Pink. I actually really love that song. Do you want to know what... What's your thing about Pink? I don't know. What's your thing about Pink? Like, I want to love her so bad, but I just don't. I don't know why. Have you ever seen... I think it's Trixie Mattel and... Oh, God. Who's the one that hated Bob the Drag Queen on her season? I don't remember. It doesn't remember. It tricks you into telling, how do you feel about Pink? Now, maybe it's Bob the Drag Queen asking. I don't remember. But the Drag Queen's like, hate Pink. Hate her. And then Pink shows up on the screen. I could be completely misremembering it, but I feel like they brought her out. I don't remember. It does not matter.

2:14 It's been a weird, weird week. I think she's very talented, and she flies, and that's beautiful. And I, again, wish I loved her, but I just don't. I do love Pink. I think I love her. I love Pink. Pregnancy update is really fast this week. Please go for it. I'm tired and miserable and fat. That's okay. How big is little August? Like what size is he? So if he were going according to the regular growth chart, he would be as big as a spaghetti squash, which is approximately 14 inches and two pounds. But if he's still two weeks ahead, he's as big as a head of lettuce, which is 15 inches and two and a quarter pounds. Allegedly.

3:14 Sure. Whatever they say. When are you due? Like, what's the date? Due December 10th. I'm hoping for more, like, Thanksgiving time, though. Okay. Thanksgiving is, like... two weeks almost exactly before my due date and i have an appointment with my ob the day before thanksgiving and i'm just hoping that's the one where she's like let's get it out here yeah are you like i i mean we talked this morning i i still can't get over the fact that like they can detect like how much of the like blood is is not yours i like that's wild to me yeah like the labs you get when you first like the first time you get your blood drawn when you're pregnant i was only 10 weeks and yeah like one of the results is like what percentage of that blood sample was the baby's blood and then they can test the baby's blood for like all of the genetic things that you test for including their sex like It's crazy. The way that like, I don't know how, what, 60 years ago we were like prescribing people cocaine for like medical treatments. And now it's like, oh, look at everything we can do. It's insane. And

4:46 it feels very much as a pregnant woman. It feels very much like, I don't know. I just work here. Like. Like you're the one saying, I don't know, I just work here or like that's how you're experiencing it? Yeah, like I just work here. I don't know how anything works. How can you? That's above me. That's a doctor's job. Have you seen the dude robe? I looked at it briefly because it was in our notes. I don't understand it. So this is an ongoing thing where... masculinity is so fragile that we have to put dude and like like dude wipes you can't just use like a wet wipe on your asshole you have to use a dude wipe you can't just wear a normal robe you have to wear a dude robe and it has to be manly and like i don't like what's innovative about it though it just has like sweat shirt like hoodie strings yes like the whole the whole thing is and it's like i I saw an ad pop up on my Instagram and I was like, this is satire. There's no way this is a real thing. It's a rope. It is a rope. Yeah.

6:01 And it's $120. Yes. It is wild. And then I saw the CEO talking to someone about it. He's like... Yeah, I saw my wife wearing a robe, and I was never a robe guy, but I really wanted to be a robe guy. So I decided, how can I make this better? And how can I, like, manify it, basically? And he put... Men have been wearing robes for literally centuries. I don't understand it. I don't get it, but it's the most insane thing. They're $118, but this guy, like... He was so all in on it.

6:42 He went on Shark Tank to pitch this to the Sharks, asked for $150 ,000 for an 18 % stake in the company. Thank God they all said no. I hope they left him off of that stage. I couldn't find the episode of Shark Tank that it said he was on, so I have a feeling it did not go well. It might not have even aired. He might have just aired himself out saying he went on Shark Tank. No, like, there's a verifiable thing where, like, the Shark Tank, like, archive has, like, a record of him being there. They didn't air his. And that weren't quite that. Yeah, but, okay, so.

7:28 That is actually insane. I got Kenny a robe for, like, his birthday or Christmas, like, three years ago. They make like UGG makes robes that are like very unisex. A robe is not a gendered thing. No. It's crazy. But I think the thing that bothers me more is that he is like charging $120 for it. I went to Alibaba. I found the supplier of the robe. They're $19 .88 from Alibaba. Ugh. Like, this man is out here, like, really just trying it in this economy. The price is, like, whatever. Because I love a good robe. And, like, Kenny and I kind of share one that's UGG. And I'm sure that was an exorbitant expense. But I wear a robe all the time. So, like, I don't care. But it's, like, why? I just can't get over gendering a robe. I want to wear a robe. I want to feel manly. Someone should have just introduced him to Japanese culture in general, and he would have been okay. Just go. This whole thing of needing it to be masculine, needing it to be manly, I'm like, who's it for? Because it's not for anyone else but you. Right. And it's been manly. Look at fucking samurais. Oh, my God.

9:01 What are you talking about? You could wear a silk robe and still be a man. Yeah, it's okay. It's only an inch and a half long anyway. Yeah. I love that for him. Have you ever used natural deodorant? I tried, okay? I tried the natural deodorant thing. I just can't do it. I refuse to stink. Give me the aluminum. I'll put tinfoil in my armpits if I have to. I don't. So I didn't know that I was buying deodorant. I was at Meijer.

9:41 I saw this like bottle of, it looked like lotion. I was like, oh, this is great. And then when I was putting it on, I was like, this is like not the consistency of lotion. And I look at it and it's like total body deodorant. I love a body deodorant because like under my boobs right now, under my belly or like in the thigh crease area. Beautiful. Love her. Okay. I mean. I don't think I smell bad, but it's natural deodorant. I like it. And I just like, I did not know what I was buying. And I'm like, now I feel like I'm like a barefoot hippie because I'm wearing natural deodorant. Are you wearing natural deodorant in your armpits? Well, I didn't realize that.

10:32 So I was like, I put it on my armpits. Like I like put it and I just like rub it on or whatever. Yeah. And it, I mean. Kenny uses natural deodorant and he's fine, but apparently Asian people, and I know that that is literally billions and billions of people I'm generalizing here, but Asian people in general have like a gene that makes them not have bad BO. That is a thing like that, like Italians don't have that. I can definitively tell you that. No, but like, it's crazy. And when you think about it, Like, at least in my experiences with Asian people over the years, yeah, they don't really have BO. I've never, like... He can get over it with using natural deodorant, but, like, I mean, maybe, like, I cannot... I cannot use it probably when I'm at the gym. That would be very hard, I feel like, for everyone around me, because that would be...

11:35 Oh, 100%. Like... On days where I'm just chilling, I could probably get away with not wearing deodorant at all. But if I'm going to sweat, I need all the chemicals. Give me clinical strength. Give me everything. I didn't realize that's what they were putting in deodorant. But also, you know, we put that shit in our bodies all the fucking time. It's like increases your risk of breast cancer is the thing. Sure. Well, you know, so does. everything else i what aren't we eating plastic and stuff i don't care yeah um speaking of eating plastic uh i'm pretty sure i swallowed a pair of quest or crust white strips the other night that's fine i put them on it and i didn't mean to fall asleep but i woke up and they weren't there anymore It's fine. It's been a weird week, man. I don't know. What else is going on? I think it'll be okay. It's going to be okay. I really do. Can you imagine? What? It just reminds me of when a dog gets into something they're not supposed to eat and it gets all twisted up in their stomachs and you have to go to the vet

13:07 and get it out. I feel like I, this is so stupid. Um, my dad loves Boomer more than anything, my dog. And like he, um, He like will buy him those rope toys like and cuz boomer loves playing with the rope toys and I'm like Please don't buy those for him because he does nothing but rip them apart and like eat the rope and it's hell on earth Matt's like all we've been buying rope toys for the dog since Since the beginning of time whatever and I'm like, okay great and then I Forced my dad like when I went to the big boomer up to come outside while boomer pooped and I was like this is why He cannot have rope toys because I have to pull rope out of his butt Oh, my God. That's what I was going to complain about today. Max, my beloved Pomeranian poodle mix.

14:06 He really just looks like a poodle. Has butt issues. Okay. You know, it's been stuck in my head. This is such a tangent. But have you seen this thing on TikTok where people are singing to the beat of Chopped and Screwed? Like, whatever they want to say, they're making up their own lyrics to T -Pain's Chopped and Screwed. Okay. Well, my dog's got butt issues, and that had been stuck in my head to the beat of Chopped and Screwed. I don't even want to get into too much detail, but just know that yesterday, Kenny, who is very squeamish, and I, who am pregnant, had to sacrifice Kenny's huge trimmer to trim the dog's butt. No. Because it is $80 to take him to the vet, and I wasn't willing to make it through the evening with his situation. So we spent an hour before dinner yesterday shaving his butt. What did you have to shave his... Like, what was in it? Okay, so he's a poodle, so his hair grows long. Yeah. And he gets groomed every six weeks, which is fine for the rest of his body. His hair's not even long. Here, I'll show you, even though people can't see this. You can

15:38 vouch. He's been much furrier than that. Right. But what happens is, if his butt hair gets too curly, and then he has... A less than solid poop. It just gets like matted to his butt. And like the bottom of his tail. And eventually like he can't even poop. And it's just like poop butt everywhere all over the house. And yeah. So. I too understand the struggle of your butt hair growing faster than the rest of your hair. Yeah. I just. Poor Max. And poor me. Poor you indeed, yes. Poor all of you. And I have really taken him to the vet and paid the $80 at least four times. And every single time they're like, you should really just buy some tremors and do it yourself. And every time I've been like, that is my worst nightmare. That's actually my worst nightmare and I would rather die. So we're going to increase his grooming frequency to be one instead of every six weeks. He doesn't get it all the time, but I just... What would you like to complain about today? Burger King. So... Oh,

17:10 Burger King. I love Burger King. The thing that I hate is when you go to Burger King or literally any fast food place and they act like the, if they give you a sauce, if they don't charge you for it, it will come out as a line item on their very own paycheck. And I'm happy to pay the 50 cents or whatever it costs for like ranch and honey mustard. I'm happy to pay it. The thing that bothers me, though, is that like when I pay it, I see it on the receipt and it's not in the bag. And I'm already on 465 driving to wherever else I'm going and I can't turn around. And so I have to eat my chicken fries without honey mustard. And it's like the joy has left the earth. Yeah. And I don't know what to do with it. Because that's happened to me three or four times in the last two weeks. Oh, my God.

18:04 Every time I get Taco Bell. I have to have sour cream on top of my Mexican pizza or it just does not hit the same. That makes sense. Every single time I've gotten it in the past, I don't know, four months, they have not put sour cream on it. What are we doing? What are we doing, Taco Bell? It's an extra. I'm paying for that. And you're happy to pay for it. Literally, whatever you need. Please put the sour cream on the pizza. Yeah. That's just where we're at. So I would ask Burger King, please get it together because I'm paying for the sauce. I'm happy to pay for that. I'll pay more for the sauce. I don't care because I would argue that the sauce is probably half of the experience. And there are some places that really understand sauce people. They take it very seriously. See Chick -fil -A, see Wingstop.

19:04 They do not play about getting you your sauce. And I appreciate that. I really do. Are you ready for Reality Roundup? Yeah. Dear listener, today's going to be a shorter episode because it's been a wild week for both me and Emma. We'll get into it eventually. It's been a wild week. But I also woke up super late today, so it's just going to be a shorter day, and that's just going to have to be okay. And that's probably preferred for some people, you know what I mean? Honestly, probably. Nobody needs four hours. What did you say? I said nobody needs a four -hour episode anyway. No. No, they don't. Did you watch the trailer for the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season six? Of course I did. Oh, my God.

20:06 So Lisa Barlow in the trailer called Bronwyn. What did she call Bronwyn? I don't remember Bronwyn's last name, but she called Bronwyn a gout dick sucker. And I. I just know that, like. everything will be okay. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is back. And one thing I love about Miss Lisa Barlow is she never misses an opportunity to take it straight to hell. I've said this about her before, but she just literally doesn't have a filter in her brain. Whatever she is thinking comes right on out. And that one was especially funny for me because you know who has gout? Kenny.

20:52 Well, you... And Bronwyn, share partners that have gout. I just, like, what a funny thing to say. You gout dick sucker. So many people have gout. I don't know what to say. And I don't love that, like, she said that, but I do love that. I do love that that's coming. I'm so excited about that. Yeah. Oh, also, Karen Huber is now a free woman officially. Which is insane. Bravo cameras were, I guess, out at the Montgomery County Detention Center in Rockville, Maryland.

21:33 She served six months for a DUI that she pled not guilty to and was found guilty of because there were cameras and body cam footage. And she also ran her car over a median and into a tree or a sign or something. And she said, I was obviously crying. I was crying because my mom died. Well, but that was the second story, right? Because at first she was like, there was a deer. And then she was like, I was emotional. My parents just died. And then it was like this whole thing. But then we got the body cam footage and the footage of her like being interrogated. And it's like, you've never been that obliterated in your life, Karen, your long, long life. Oh, my God. That was good stuff. I haven't seen the footage of her coming out, though. Have you?

22:28 I haven't seen anything. I saw pictures. I didn't see videos. I did see the video of her, like, driving away waving. And I was like, oh, she believes that she is vindicated. Yeah. But, like, how do you feel vindicated after you just got out of prison? It wasn't even, like, a cunty sentence. Like, Martha Stewart had a cunty stint in prison. You didn't, Karen. This was all very ugly and sad. I have to be real. I don't think Karen lives in the same world that you and I live in. I don't think that she is present and of her higher self. I don't know. No, no, no.

23:16 She doesn't because she doesn't understand that she could have killed someone. I don't think she thinks she did anything wrong. Which is crazy. And, like, here's the God's honest truth. Like, D .U .S. happened. Like, that is awful and terrible. I do think if she had just come out and said, you guys, I fucked up. I fucked up bad. Like, I was out partying, whatever. Like, I fucked up bad. Own it. Like, you didn't hurt anyone. Everything's okay. Jesus Christ, the way that she said, well, we have the right to appeal this. She dressed herself and Ray in all white and had that little video sent to the reunion about how her truth will come out. Bitch, I saw the truth. I would rather she had pulled a Jen Shaw and called someone, gave them a fake name, and taken their credit card number than do this.

24:16 That's what I'm saying. Be like Martha Stewart or Jen Shaw, where you're just kind of... You couldn't have killed anyone. Like, whatever. I don't know. And at least own it like they both did. Be like, yeah, I just got out of prison. You know who else did this on Potomac? I guess Monique, where she wrecked her Bentley and she said, yeah, I'm just so tired. And, like, I guess Ashley said, like, at that lunch right before that, they'd had, like, seven wines. And I was just like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. But they just. Unfortunately, this is like a Real Housewives disease. They become, like, very self -important and they don't realize. How fucked up that is. It really is sad because you're talking to people with so many resources. Absolutely the resources to call an Uber. I bet you could call Andy Cohen himself and be like, Andy, I'm fucked up and I need a car. And Andy would have been like, well, I don't want to lose you on the reunion. 100%. We're going to send you a car. yeah to take you home like you have so many resources and you're deciding to do something so reckless and dangerous it's bad i i hate it and like but i also i don't like karen i'm gonna be super real i don't like her on the show anymore like she's got she's done the same way that um vicki gunvalson went for me where um theresa

25:46 judice went for me where it's like they believe that the show is them they're not on a show anymore it's their show And I stopped liking Karen after that because I was just like, oh, you're not, it's not fun anymore. I used to like Karen. Acting. Yeah. Yeah. She never feels real. And I don't like this whole thing that she's done for a year. The last like two or three years, seasons, where she's been like, I am neutral in all arguments. I don't like Karen. Blah, blah, blah. That, what? Ew. You're a Real Housewife. Have an opinion, girl. I don't know. Literally. And then today we're talking about season one, episode five of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. We are going to finish that lunch. My gala luncheon.

26:48 Oh, yeah. And same thing I've ever heard in Salt Lake City, Utah. I think about this luncheon all the time where I'm just like, these people in Salt Lake City were just handed a gift with these women. And I don't think they knew what they were getting. But like, I know Valter. And really, really, I hope he appreciated it when he was still here. Because I know he's looking down from heaven looking at us talking about this being like, I know I did that. But let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Okay, so Mary and Jen go back and forth for a little bit at the right. what oh they go back and forth while the uh while vaulter is at the end of the table being very intense about garnishing a drink or something like i remember he was just like into like whatever he was doing and there was a lot of arm movement he's a mixologist baby you know he is a god among men um mary tells jen uh she can leave so jen storms off and then heather chases after jen to calm her down and then lisa does a pretty good job of I'm saying that's just, like, rinse and repeat of Whitney's party. I don't understand.

28:10 This is an ongoing thing, and, like, I do... We get into it eventually, but, like, Heather does talk about, like, I was afraid of Jen. Like, and so it's a lot of that's coming out here. Yeah. Mary tells Jen... Oh, wait, no, sorry. Lisa does a pretty good job of identifying how Mary's feeling after Jen's apology to Meredith because Mary also wanted an apology and she felt invalidated and Lisa calls that out. And then the girls are arguing and Mary goes, I don't want this around Walter. Walter's very upset right now. I think that was my favorite line of that whole episode. Because like... Walter is a grown man. He's going to be fine. There was a verbal altercation at his restaurant. He is going to be okay. But I think even better was, that's happening, that's happening. Mary says, oh, Walter's very upset right now. And Lisa goes, sorry, Walter. They're treating him like he's a... child or something that just had to witness um mary calls jenna hudlum and that turns into a conversation about i guess like

29:40 i this had to have been off camera because i don't remember this but mary told jen that if she pulls up to a 7 -eleven and sees black man she goes to find another 7 -eleven yeah that was like I think they say in the episode that was, like, a private conversation. And so it was impossible for us to know the context of this. Not that I could ever see what a context could be that's not incredibly racist. But Mary is Black. I just can't. Well, that and, like, Mary also just says, yeah, I absolutely said that. I'm afraid of that. And I was like. your husband granted this is filmed and i think in 2019 so like i don't think anyone realized the implications of what saying that would ever become but lord have 2019 that's not that long ago what do you mean no but like it was before the whole like the black lives matter like really i agree She has a black son, and she's saying if she saw the likes of him, she would... What? I just can't... This comes up at the reunion, and this is one of those things where Mary just really never answers for it. Like, that was insane to me. How can you? What is there to say about that,

31:12 you know? Ugh. I just remember this was, like, the nail in the coffin for me not liking Mary. Because I thought she was just, like, a vibe mismatch for me for a while. And then that came out, and I was like, oh, I have no problem hating her. Fair. And, like, that is a valid reason, honestly. Like, that was a wild thing. So Jen ends up leaving, and then we go over to Heather's house, where Heather explains that her ex -husband has always provided for them financially, and he wanted his daughters. to have a mom that was always around to raise them. And, like, I actually really appreciate this about Billy. Like, he's awful and, like, was terrible to Heather. But, like, I do think at the end of the day, like, he was probably a really good dad, which. Least he can do is give her a little check every month.

32:01 I mean, his family is billionaires. Like, it doesn't matter. And by little, I mean, I hope that thing is six figures every month. Christ, I hope so. Oh, okay. So Heather says she was not planning on going to church the next day and asked the girls if they still want to go. And then they all just decide that they're not planning on going because Heather lets them make their own decisions about this. And I feel like this is how every parent should approach that conversation because I remember seeing this and I was like, God, I probably wouldn't feel so weird about religion if like my family had just been like this. A hundred percent. I think she asked, this might be a later episode, but she asked at some point, she's like, do you see yourself being Mormon? Oh, yeah. It's later in the season, yeah. Okay, yeah. And that's fair to ask. I've talked about this before. Both of my parents were raised Catholic, and both of them decided that that was horrible to live in constant guilt, nothing against Catholics. Right. With my brother and me, they were like, if you ever want to try a religion, we will support you in that and get you where you need to go. But we don't. I think that's how you have to be a little bit. I talked to my sister -in -law about this before. Zachary doesn't have any feelings about religion one

33:33 way or the other. He's a lot like me. And Alicia's always said, like, she goes, I don't like going to church. Like, it's just not my thing. But if Alex and Amelia go or if they want to go, I'll drop them off. I don't care. But I'm, like, not really interested in going. And I like that. Yeah. What I will say is, especially for kids, I do think church can give you sort of, like, a sense of community, a place to meet new friends and stuff like that. And, like, all of that is fine. All of that is fine. Unless you listen too hard. And they really want you to listen too hard. Yeah, I don't know. If Jack said he wanted to go to church, I would probably find one of his friends that already goes to church and figure that out. He's like me. And when I went to my cousin's church growing up, because...

34:33 My aunt and uncle were watching us. That didn't go well. One day we'll talk about it. I can't wait. Also, this is a complete side note. I want to go back through all the episodes, like, realistically, probably while you're on your maternity break. And I'm going to, like, find everything that we said. Oh, yeah, one day we'll get into that. Have a list ready. Yeah. Because that list is long. Yeah. Well, I just, like. It would take an extra hour of our time for me to get into the. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I like, that's what I'm saying is like, I want to go back and do all that because like, there's a lot there. Yeah.

35:14 But anyway, we, uh, we're in the car with Meredith and she's going to pick Seth up from the airport. And I love that. Like, she's not driving to pick him up. She's driven to pick him up. Um, but. As soon as the thought that counts. Oh, yeah. But like also in when they go to Bermuda and they're riding around on scooters, one of the questions that Meredith has asked like in her confessionals, when's the last time you drove? And she goes, I don't know. I love her so much. She's so silly. But Seth gets in the car and then he floats the idea of moving to Ohio and Meredith. rebukes that idea. She's not into that.

36:04 And I don't blame her. What is Ohio? Where is Ohio? Hi, viewers from Ohio. Indiana or something. I mean, Columbus is cool. I like Columbus. I prefer Columbus, Indiana, truthfully. Really? The only thing Ohio has that is good for me is Kings Island. Fair. Okay. Maybe Cedar Point. I could hear out Cedar Point. Yeah. But I feel about Ohio the way Meredith feels about Ohio.

36:46 She's like, nothing against Ohio. I just don't want to live there. Sorry, Ohio. Yeah. And I think that that is fine. He wanted to move there for work anyway. It's not like he's passionate about Ohio. Yeah, but he also worked for Big Lots. That's who he's working for? Yes. Seth, you're going to let Big Lots move you to Ohio? Oh, man. When I found that out, that was wild to me. But Seth can't take a hint about where the conversation is headed. And Meredith, she's like, I don't want to do this anymore. I'm like, I'm not talking about this. Let's talk about something else. Like, it was bad. She's disengaged.

37:29 Yeah, she's disengaging. We go back and forth between Mary's house and Jen's office. And Jen's unpacking the luncheon on her FaceTime with Sharif. And Mary's unpacking everything with Robert Sr. at the same time. I get where Jen's coming from. Like, there's not a lot I'll agree with Jen on from the first season because she's so, like, unhinged. But, like, I do 100 % agree with her. Like, you can't say things like that, Marianne. Like, she sees her sons and her nephews when she hears that comment. And I think she takes that, like, very seriously. Yeah. I mean, what kind of mother and wife would you be if you didn't stand up for her? your relatives exactly someone's like i'm scared of them and like perpetuating this idea that already exists in people's heads and and not only just perpetuating that but like knowing you're gonna be on a show and still talking about it like whoa right whoa um And then...

38:43 Oh. And then at the same time... And Mary's also unpacking, yeah. Yeah, Mary's, like, heard about the grandfather... Yeah, the grandfather comment. I'm like... Those two things aren't the same thing, though. Apples and oranges, honey. Apples and oranges. Like, you have a right to feel that way about the grandfather thing, a thousand percent. You... cannot say that like what you said is justifiable i i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know what to do with that say i'm literally racist against my own race but how dare you call out something factual about me exactly come on um when you guys do her brother's jujitsu school and This place, I know for a fact, smells like feet. They all have to, right? Like everybody's sweaty and everyone's toes are out.

39:49 I also, I find it, I don't know if this is okay. I find it strange when grown people do martial arts. I feel like if you frame it as like a self -defense thing. I understand it more. Okay. But also I grew up around wrestling. Oh, yeah. That's the other thing about the smell. I managed wrestling since I've been in a wrestling room. I spent probably 15 years in a wrestling room. And I'm aware of the smells. Oh, it's like a discovery zone. I know that's what it smells like. It's bad. It's musty. But Whitney's kind of a badass and, like, literally picks her brother up who's, like, double her size and, like, flips him over and, like, onto the ground. And I was like, ooh, do that to me. Yeah. I'd let her do that to me.

40:54 100%. I thought she was incredibly strong. Just, like, the build of her body. Like, she's tuned. Oh, yeah. And she does, like, Pilates and stuff, too. Like, you know, she's, like. And she's in the gym. She's constantly working out. Yeah. Well, that's, like, on her TikTok all the time. It's like she is in the gym every day. Good for her. And I love her. I love her for it. And then we unpack a little bit about Whitney's dad and his, like, journey to sobriety and how he didn't go to sober living after rehab originally for the first time. I hate to say it. Okay. Poor guy. It's a bad decision. Let me just say that for everyone listening. It's a poor decision to not go to some sort of sober living facility post -rehab. But I can see how you could come out of rehab and be like, I don't need it anymore.

41:55 My cravings are gone. I'm done with work. I just want to go back to my life now. I can totally see that. Okay. Because I'm also like a girl who would not want to have roommates and stuff like that. Like I'm not a group living type of girl. So I can totally see how it's like, I just want to be normal now. I do. Okay. That's when you put it that way, that is fair. Like it probably, you just want to feel normal and like you haven't felt normal for ever. That's fair. Right. Yeah. Um, but I guess at this, so at this point he had not talked to the kids since Thanksgiving. So it's been a couple of months. at that point um and that's rough i i don't like that yeah i think i think that's going both ways though right like he he wants a relationship there but the kids are like you did a bunch of stuff to us that we don't forgive you for yet type of thing isn't that what's going on oh no i don't We find out at the reunion that, like, Whitney's dad stopped talking to Whitney. So, like, I have a feeling it's a lot of, I think he might be the problem, if I'm being honest. Yeah. It sucks.

43:20 We go over to Henry's birthday party, and I felt comfortable at this bowling birthday party. Like, something about this was like, I want to be here. Yeah. I love a birthday party at a bowling alley. Side note, I hate going bowling and then someone tries to teach me how to bowl. No, thank you. Let me be bad. Let me just throw the ball down the lane or whatever. I'm literally not upset about losing. Please just leave me alone. Anyway. The balloons have Fresh Wolf branding on them, which is the boys' hair care brand. Lisa 1000 % used this as a marketing thing and wrote this party off on her taxes. And that's beautiful.

44:10 And I support it. I love it. So Whitney and her dad head to sober living because like this is like they make the decision that this is what's best. And I wonder what the timeline was here between like the conversation of the jujitsu place and this because like there's no way it happened as quickly as it's shown. no but yeah i don't know um interested to see right and but when he and her dad um like had that had to say we're living it just seems like they're driving for hours in his little truck but he is one of these guys that drives with the back of his seat like at like a 45 degree angle and that stresses me out to no end yeah kenny drives laying down too i hate why i it can't be comfortable No, like, and he said, he's like, I need my arm to be fully extended. And I'm like, why? Why? What?

45:11 I don't like it. But Winnie's kind of excited because her dad chose to go to sober living and feels really optimistic about that. And I feel like, I don't know, like I have, I have experienced like dropping people off at rehab and like. I get where Whitney's coming from. I just feel bad because I know the other side of, like, coming out. Like, when someone comes out of it, like, they just go back to it. But I've never dropped anyone off at a rehab as nice as, like, this Stoper Living place is. It's, like, a beautiful, like, barn in the middle of the... Yeah, I thought the same thing. I would live there. 100%. Because I had a friend in Louisiana who was living in Stoper Living. And this was just a house. It was not nice. Like, it was just a big old house.

46:08 Yeah. So, I don't know. But, yeah, the one he wants, he looks really nice. And that's probably really good if you're going to be living somewhere like that. Make it less miserable. Like, do everything you can to make it as nice as possible. Make it as enticing as possible. And you'll probably find a lot more success. 100%. um we go over to mary i'm sorry meredith's house and seth's leaving for her work and it like it just feels heavy and then meredith walks in and interconfessional she talks about how there's been a lot of arguing and there's um there's a need for them to spend like some intentional time apart and this did feel a little put on like but i do feel like everything behind it was very real but i feel like they were like we need to like show i couldn't tell if it was that or they were just like so uncomfortable and like a hyper aware of the cameras okay because i got that vibe too but then i was like they just in general do not seem comfortable so i don't know i i would believe either one honestly but um But I feel bad because it's a scary place to be in a marriage. And whether or not it was put on, we do know that their marriage did hit a rocky patch. And I'm very impressed

47:39 that they were able to put this on camera and navigate it as well as they did. Even if some of it was put on for the show, I'm okay with that. I feel like they're both incredibly cool -headed in general. I mean, not that they don't get emotional. Both of them can. We've seen it from both of them. I just feel like, in general, they're very aware of their emotions and in control of themselves. I agree. It's sort of like a healthy, they're dealing with it in a healthy way, but it is scary, especially since they were about to be empty nesters and all of that. We also, as viewers, didn't know what was going on at this point, and so it was like, how deep does this go? All right. I love them together also.

48:31 What'd you say? I love them together also. I do too. I really love Seth and Meredith. Like, I wish they were my parents. Yeah, me too. Honestly. I would end up like Brooks though. So entitled and crazy. Perfect. I mean, I already am. We'll get to this later on, but can you literally imagine entering your clothing line in a fashion show and it being one sweatsuit? Like, I want to have that type of entitlement in my brain. Yes. Yes, I can. I feel like Emma, I submitted us for a podcast award before we published our first episode.

49:14 actually that's fair yeah yeah it's because i believe in us i just i was it was like the new like the emerging podcast or whatever i was like we're probably those i don't know we are emerging um and then we go into the end of the episode um heather wants mary to know that she or sorry we go to dinner with heather and mary and then Heather wants Mary to know that she can be friends with her and still be friends with Jen. And, like, I think that's a wild thing to have to say out loud, but whatever. Mary educates us about how carbonated water hurts your ovaries.

50:01 What? What? That can't be a real thing, right? It can't be true. You know what? If it is, I will continue to drink my Dr. Pepper. It is what it is. Heather and Mary get into how Jen attacked Mary's marriage, and Mary tells Heather in no uncertain terms, it was written in her grandmother's will for her to get married to Robert Sr. I want you to remember this moment right here. Yeah, it was in her will. In her will. And then Heather understands on some level that Mary chose faith over love in this situation. And she empathizes with her over that. And I get that. Well, they are kind of birds of a feather in that way. She says she was never like in love with her husband, but she felt like it was the right thing to do in the church. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And I think Mary. in some way wanted to honor her grandmother and also wanted to be first lady of the church because her grandmother told her that's what she wanted so it's like okay i think the more and more i think about it i'm like it's weird i i'm uncomfortable with it but like that's that's not my problem so yeah and also i've never been in that situation so like i don't know right

51:32 but yeah If we have the power to summon someone from the dead, I want to talk to Mary's grandmother. I have so many questions for her. You know her story is like, actually, she walked from Indianapolis to Salt Lake City with her kids, and that's how they got to Salt Lake City. What? Yes. They hated our city that much? I don't remember why she, like, I feel, I don't know if it was, like, I feel called to this place. I don't know, but she lived in Indy, yeah. That's why Mary has a house in Carmel. What? We've talked about this.

52:19 Mary has a house in Carmel. I have pregnancy, Brandon. I can't remember my own birthday. Yeah, it's in, um, it's not that far from where I lived at the rail yard. How often is she in Carmel? I mean, it cannot be that often. I mean, the house is... One of her neighbors was asked about it in some article, because, like, when... I think that she's been here once since the show started filming, but she has, like, seven or eight houses. Oh, yeah, that's true. She might be at Airbnb or whatever. oh no they don't rent no like the houses are empty when they're not there but that's what the neighbor said is like we've never met her we don't know who this woman is you don't know what you're in for but if mary ever comes to andy i'll take her to like mary cosby i will take you to dinner i love you i'm obsessed with you emma will have to be fine with it i have lots of questions for you but yes i agree i would love to like hear mary or mama cosby's story because i think that I mean, you walked with your kids from Indianapolis in the Midwest to Salt Lake City, Utah. Like, I mean, yeah, they, like, hitchhiked or whatever. But, like, I'm just like, what? Why did you do that?

53:43 And also, what is the deal with your husband? And also, what's the deal with Mary? And what's the deal with your daughter? I have so many questions for you. I agree. But yeah. Oh, and we have some reviews from Apple Podcasts and Spotify. This is actually really cool. So we got two five -star reviews on Apple Podcasts. Do you want to read the first one or the second one? I don't care. I'll do the second one. I love you all equally.

54:24 Perfect. So Chipper072198 gives a review titled, Travis and Emma, your new escape. This person said, I absolutely adored the conversations between Travis and Emma. Their chemistry is undeniable and the way they explore multifaceted topics makes it easy to get lost and escape reality for a while. It's the perfect podcast to dive into if you want to step away from your own thoughts and enjoy a pure, honest conversation between two deeply engaging hosts. I want this person to write my memoir. I want to give that person a kiss on the mouth. I love you. I love you so much. Thank you. That was so great. You're so nice. And then we had AKA Space. who said the world the world needs more of this all the way from canada two people with a gift for gab you have no idea how much i love lauren hill by the way side note charming entertaining and a dash of spice relatable banter you don't want to miss i love that on your love you and then um Our friend Morgan left us a Spotify comment reminding us that she loves us. And Morgan, I know you're listening right now. We love you to the moon and back. You're an incredible artist. You're incredible at everything. You're perfect. You're beautiful. You're amazing. Also, I just saw your most recent TikTok and you are still looking incredibly hot. Wow. Literally a model. Like, God. And then our friend Elena encouraged us

55:55 with a let's go. That always reminds me of Thick David when I hear that because I'm just like, I love that so much. this golden retriever my mom my mom has been like periodically calling me like every once in a while and she'll just like not even mention that she's been listening to the podcast and just start responding to something i said in a podcast like months ago and i have to be like And then it finally clicks for me. The most recent one, I don't even remember what we were talking about. Oh, it must have been Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I was saying, but she didn't apologize, though. Where did she say she's sorry? My mom called me. She was like, you think that way because of me. I'll tell you one better. Josh, my husband Taylor, who we're going to have on the podcast soon, was over at my house the other day. And she goes, hey, Travis, can I ask you a question? And I was like, yeah.

57:00 She goes, you're 27? And I was like, what? What do you mean? And she goes, it's what you tell people on the podcast. And I was like, and you better shut your whore mouth and go along with it. Mentally, I'm 16 years old. And she goes, well, I'm also 27. So what do I tell them when I come on the podcast? I said, you can tell them whatever the fuck you want. And dear listener, just know if Taylor says that she's 27 and I say that I'm seven years older than her. No, I'm not. She could be 21 for all I know. There it is. Dear listener, we love you. This is, it's been a, My energy is weird today. I'm exhausted.

57:55 It's been a long week. But thank you for being here. Thank you for loving us. Thank you for just being a part of this. I love this so much. Emma, what do you have to say to the people? I love you. I can't believe you listened to our podcast, but keep doing that. And you're so smart for listening to our podcast. And I hope it made you giggle today. We should start signing off the way we sign off with each other on FaceTime. Oh, dear viewer, you're perfect. I love you. You are hot and sexy and tan and skinny and tall. And you are the perfect listener. And dear listener, you are the perfect dresser. You are the perfect hiker. You are the perfect... You're the perfect commenter on a podcast and we love you and everything's going to be great and you're going to have an amazing day. We love you.