The Real Slam Pigs of Rhode Island with Kam K.

0:12 hi i'm travis i'm emma and this is bestie oh guys you didn't let him go i'm i am so really i'm travis i'm emma i'm cam and this is bestie approved um so cam is gay for bravo on tick tock and we connected on tick tock and i love his content i love his commentary on the housewives and like everything in bravo in general and i found out that he is in the market to start a podcast so i said what the hell why don't you come on and like practice with us and see if you like it and here we are so cam's gonna cover the real housewives of rhode island with us and i think we're gonna have an amazing great time so yay um cam this is a question that we ask everyone at the beginning of every episode what is the last song you listen to So I listened to this morning Ariana Grande's new song. I think it's I Hate That I Made You Love Me. I think that's what it's called. it's pretty good it's a little slow for me it's a little emotional um i it was hard for me not to compare it to

1:43 her last song that she launched before the album uh yes and that one was like blowing up right away this one is more like toned down but it's nice you know we love ariana she's she's good yeah she's saying you know i she can't do a lot of wrong for me i she is someone who like she's gone through a few different iterations of herself and i there's not one i don't like because at the end of the day you have to forgive her for the pipes like you can't tell me she can't sing so and i gotta tell you like i can get over that time she went in and licked a donut i can get over that time she um what was the story she was at rockefeller center for something and she um got into a got into an elevator and there was someone else in the elevator and like she was like being like chased down by a ton of fans i might cut this piece of this out but like she did say in the elevator i hate all of them and i wish they would all die like talking about her fans she's a diva first of all i'm not gonna argue that she's not a diva ever and if people were just like constantly chasing you and taking your photo all the time i'm sure you have moments where you say things you don't mean you know what i mean i agree i do love her like the idea of her as a friend though because she got when

3:14 she did saturday night live she became very very close to bowen yang and hearing their dynamics i'm i'm obsessed with them i love them together but yeah I think they're a cute pair I love seeing him in Wicked and she got all her friends the seven rings when she did that's so cute yes I agree Emma what was your last song um it's Janice STFU for the kids because Jack is right here from the new Drake album don't talk to me about it okay I won't I was in high school in 2014 and that's really all I need to say you graduated high school in 2014 no no no I graduated in 2016 but I was in high school in 2014 which is when nothing was the same came out and so unfortunately that corny man will live in my brain forever that's okay My last song was Promises by Calvin Harris and Sam Smith. Yeah. Here we are. Cam, tell us about yourself. Tell us about how you got here. Tell us about your love for Bravo and the Housewives. Tell us about you. It was so random. When I was in my early 20s, I had this roommate. Last week. I was going to say, are you in your early 20s right this moment? What,

4:45 23? I'm 29. Oh, me too. Okay, perfect. In what century? Next century, you're 29? I genuinely thought you were like 19 or 20. I swear to Christ, I thought you were like 23. I thought you were going to tell me what college you are going to. Keep talking. Yeah. I'm so serious. I was like, okay, like now I don't feel as bad about myself and now I don't want to kill myself. But yeah, like I had this roommate and then his boyfriend came over. I was watching Game of Thrones and he's like, stop watching Game of Thrones. Let's put on the Real Housewives of New Jersey. And it was like the scene where Teresa was like walking out and she was like. saying this rumor about Jackie's husband and I'm like oh my god I need to watch this show and then I started my TikTok page after that what a good entry point that is yeah everyone if you're listening uh I'm in Jack's room it's been a day Emma's house we we recorded Emma's house I'm like I mean obviously like we're remote right now but My favorite thing is like, it's always a surprise like what you're going to get when we're at Emma's house or when Emma's like on the pod because it's like a baby

6:16 crying or it's like I have to edit out so many like screams in the background because you never know what you're going to get in Emma's house of horrors sometimes. If you stay to the end of this video, if you're genuinely watching this stream, I will show you what behind me looks like at the very end. Jack's room is a feast for the eyes, I will tell you. It's a seven -year -old's room. There's no arguing that. But I want to talk about the concept of viewing Game of Thrones and being like, do you want to see some real drama? Yes. What was the entry point to you starting a TikTok? This is my real question.

7:08 Cause it's like, was it like almost immediate where you were like, I love this. I have to talk about this. Like there, there is a real fandom and obsession here. Like, how did you get there? So I, in the beginning, like my page was just about me and my cat. And then when I posted one video about when Margaret's hair was pulled by Danielle, i that's when i was like oh okay like there's a lot of people that like this so let me i i was scared of having my face on camera because i was trying to lose a lot of weight and i was very insecure and you know like after i gained some confidence i'm like okay i need to i can't just post like memes about it anymore like i need my face to be on this page yeah i love that and emma and i like so emma is a new like not a new new mother i guess like she she just had her second baby months ago but i'm thinning down for like the 37th time in my life i mean but you like you had a baby it's different i and i used to weigh 300 pounds so like we both get like that struggle of like trying to figure out like when you want to be on camera like i that's really impressive though that like you Found that confidence. It's amazing. I love that.

8:28 Yeah, because it is hard, like, even when you do lose the weight, to be like, I can put myself out here. So good for you. Yeah. I'm excited to get into this episode. But first, another thing we always do is complain. So do you have anything to complain about before we kick this off? Oh, I do. And it's about the parking here in California. Like, I understand that. Finding parking here is like finding gold. But I hate when I park outside and someone, like it's parallel parking, and then they park like this close to the front of my car. And I'm like, I'm trying to go to work here. So that's been my main complaint this week. It does feel like they're attacking you and trying to entrap you. Emma, what do you have to complain about? Other than a very...

9:23 niche to me thing but i do need to talk about it jack is obsessed with these popsicles that are like 100 % juice and that's why i get them because it's like sweet treat not that bad for him right four times four separate occasions we have ordered these popsicles and unbeknownst to me Me being the person who has put in no substitutions that are acceptable to me, because there are none in the eyes of Jack. Four separate times, they have delivered us 10 mini drumsticks in the place of these popsicles. Are they the ones that are like the oval with like the stick in it that like they have the fruits on the box?

10:12 No. The popsicles? Yeah. johnny pops okay i know exactly which ones you're talking about those are like you you don't go through the frozen goods aisle and think to yourself a drumstick is an acceptable substitution for that that is not the same thing and i'm dumbfounded because this has happened on more than one occasion and it's not the the same shopper so where are the it's really kind of driving me crazy But again, niche to me. I don't think anyone else is facing this. I don't think it's that niche, though, because I feel like I'm constantly seeing on TikTok, like, oh, yes. I have one random fucking tomato in my kitchen right now. And I don't even know what they replaced. A surprise for everyone.

11:05 A treat for the eyes. i have to complain about i just bought and so i have a very specific type of sunglass that i wear and it's only aviators like it's like the big aviators right and i have had these oakley aviators for five or six years and i don't know what happened to them but they are lost they are completely lost so i said to myself i will buy a new pair of aviators I buy a pair of Ray -Bans. I spend like $300 on them. And I have not dropped them. I don't know what happened, but I was wearing the aviators. And then like almost out of nowhere, I was like, oh, a hair fell down into them. And then like I start like trying to grab for this hair. And then I was like, why isn't it moving? I take them off. There's just a crack across the lens.

11:58 And I have never been this mad in my entire life. And like the only thing I can think of is like. I it got too hot in my car and like the like coming from like 70 ish degree weather to like coming into almost 100 degrees in my car before the air conditioner kicked on I can't figure out what happened but I like I've had them for like three weeks I would take it back to Ray -Ban and be like there has been no trauma right I'm so mad I'm so mad the lens even i'd be i would be fine with that but i'm just like these were three hundred dollars no that's weird because remember those um ray -ban aviators that kenny got me that like he showed you at the apple store yes yes yes those are like i've had them for almost two years now and they're like good as new so well and that's the thing the ray -bans are good Like they're not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. So I might send back to Ray -Ban and see like what we can figure out. But yeah, that was a lot. Tell them you have a podcast.

13:09 I'll talk about you to my tits. Oh God. So Cam, you chose this episode that we're going to dig into and I'm excited about it, but I want to know why you chose this episode. Just specifically the fight between Rosie and Kelsey at our house. I was just thrown off a little bit. And yeah, that's why. Cool. He wants to talk about the tea. That's fine. So for anyone that hasn't picked up on it, we're talking about the season one, episode eight of The Real Housewives of Rhode Island. the the title's splitting hairs but i the title in my heart is the real slam pigs of rhode island uh and we'll get into it um so jumping right in we get the opening shots joellen and her hot ass husband are having lunch and she's like screaming at one of her kids for like wiping his hand on the white carpet and then liz takes her cat out for a walk and like people that take Go ahead. I think if your cat is willing to go on a walk with you, because listen, a cat's not going to do something it doesn't want to do.

14:30 I think it's cunty. Yeah. I think she has a bangle or something. Those are my energy cats. So it's such an attractive thing to do. Can you imagine seeing that outside of your house? No. I mean, she's got that massive boardwalk. I'm sure she's like taking the cat up and down the boardwalk. Like she's not taking it out for a walk, like in the street. I love those drone footages of that property. Yeah. Well, knowing what we know now, where like we, there's like stuff that's coming out about like the investigations into.

15:13 liz and like dino and everything i'm like well now i know how she was affording it but we go over to alicia's house for a driving lesson with billy and we find out uh selena has dance five days a week and she so she needs to start driving selena to dance and This comes after finding out Alicia's like run over the woman and it's a whole thing and like she she's afraid of driving and she's been run off the interstate. So she brings like a full pharmacy of like rose water spray and peppermint oil and then she blows through two stop signs while she's unpacking the trip with the other women and like it's the most chaotic thing I've ever seen in my entire life and like something. Emma knows about me is that I hate the tropes of like when the housewives take their kids like for driving lessons and it's like okay you're gonna drive and I'm so scared and like this whole thing and like the one thing I didn't hate about this was Billy because he was a calming force and then Alicia's just like I gotta have a crack I gotta have this I gotta have and I'm just like oh my god it's so stressful I'm so stressed out by this she'll pass out if she doesn't have her crackers like Bless his heart, I would have said driver's ed for you, babe. I don't know why he didn't, because I'm like, I have real concerns about her on the road, where she blows through two stop signs, and there's she's like, well, why the two in a row? And then she's like, this close to the steering wheel. I'm like,

16:44 I've never seen anything like it. And I honestly do think that there are people who, nothing against her, but like, driving is not for everyone you're just a passenger princess maybe and like when she did the whole thing about i ran over a woman i did this i i thought it was an act but like i swear to god i believe this is her I know. I kind of figured she just, like, bumped someone or, like, you know, I don't know. No, have you seen her talking about, like, it was a very traumatic thing where, like, she doesn't know if the woman was trying to kill herself or what, but, like, this is, like, since the episode came out, she's talked about it in, like, the after show where, like, this woman, like, threw herself in front of the car. Like, it's, oh, yeah, this is a real thing. That's not even on her, but I can see how it would, like, scare her away. Oh, yeah.

17:37 The next note I wrote was, I literally have never seen someone with their seat so close to the steering wheel. I'm just like, how is... I can't be comfortable for her. But then she goes over this bridge and she's like... They changed it and they're celebrating at the end and I'm like, yay, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. I don't feel... It's not that I don't feel great about her driving her daughter around. I don't want her on the road unless she's comfortable in herself. And I don't think she's there yet. I think there needs to be a driver hired. And then that would be better. Yeah, like instead of the 10 % of the pizza place, maybe we hire a driver. I don't know. I could be wrong. I feel like she's going to save money in car repairs in the future by just hiring a driver. I agree. Insurance claims, too. Before we just give it up. So we go over to Rosie's house. She takes her dog outside for a little walk. And then she reminds us for the 4 ,000th time. that she's building a 5 000 square foot addition onto her house and the this this all feels so disingenuous to me like just just build the structure and like you don't have to

19:07 keep talking about it like it's okay we believe you we see the like the foundation laid stop talking about it and just do it like it's exhausting i don't get it because i feel like it would be so much hotter to be like oh yeah look this just got finished big project look at all this space in here and just like show us what like you know what i mean yeah like i don't even want to see the process like that's anything about concrete girl i don't mind seeing the process but like it feels like she has something to prove how much she keeps talking about it like yeah that's what i mean it's like i would rather not see any of it than to like hear Okay, I see what you're saying. Emma put... I added a note. I forgot I said that. No, please go for it. He sent me the summary of the episode and in this I said, okay, Donald in his ballroom. And I was just like, who is this for? I don't know. Why is he talking about it? the shot of it like in the beginning of the episode and i'm like what like this looks weird and why are we seeing this so from my understanding because i feel like they talked about this in the very first episode where like this was like it was a it was a lake house and like lake houses but like by their nature because we my family has one too and i'm listening to me i'm rosie and i'm bragging about

20:39 my lake house but like it's like they're not they're not laid out like a normal house. Cause like the whole thing is like, you're doing it to like, it's, it's for the enjoyment of like fishing, boating, whatever you're doing. So it does look strange the way they're like adding on to it, because I think they're trying to make it into a home where it's not designed to be a primary home. I completely agree with you. Yeah. But then Rosie throws on those stupid moon boots things. And then she's talking about how she's going to ask Kelsey for another haircut. And then. she like we'll get to this eventually something about rosie bothers me i want to like her i like i really really do but like something about her just like it feels either phony or like disingenuous i like i don't know how to describe it but i'm like i i can't get down with her i don't know I'm kind of uninterested in her and that's kind of my problem. It doesn't really have anything to do with her necessarily.

21:41 I just am not that interested. It's like artificial sweetener. That's the best way for me to describe it. Okay. Yeah. It's like not quite what I want. Yeah. Fair. Okay. And then we head over to Kelsey's new apartment. i could have done without this scene entirely i like so kelsey's laying out of all laying out all of her like miss rhode island stuff and that to me it's like someone who like holds on to their trophies from like middle school and like is very proud of them and like i feel so bad for saying this because miss miss rhode island is probably a much bigger deal than like i'm making it out to be in my head it puts her in the running for miss america is that oh does it Yeah. She would have walked for Miss America. Okay. Well. But pageant girls scare the shit out of me. I agree. I'm like, I don't like this. I'm intimidated, honestly.

22:46 It's not even an intimidation thing. It is like, I'm terrified because it's like, they get mean and they get nasty. It's like the same thing with drag queens that perform in pageants where it's like, i don't want it like pageant queens of any kind of ilk it does not matter i just feel they have a type of energy and it's a very cutthroat thing that like i would never recover if they decided they wanted to ruin me never i would just die but her laying out all this stuff like the way she did i feel like she's desperately trying to hold on to this identity and like i want to revisit this in a couple seasons because i have a feeling she's gonna talk to a therapist and she's gonna like because i do think and we get to this later but like i do think this is like going to go down as like up until this point one of the biggest accomplishments in her life and it's kind of like what do you do next And I want to see where she goes from here. Because, like, I think she's at a real jumping off point. And, like, she has an opportunity to be incredible. I don't want her to waste that.

24:00 Yeah. I think she's, like, trying to find her identity still. Yeah, that's the vibe I got from her. Because she doesn't seem to know what she wants to do. Yeah. Yes. you know i mean landing on this platform is going to help her out a lot but she needs to utilize it for a certain goal i would say yeah it's the right open door that comes yeah i think it's relatable though for what it's worth i think she's relatable in the sense that like i don't know what i'm gonna do next and i'm trying to figure that out you know i guess i didn't think about it like that though and i i because i i i'm i'm excited to see where she goes today because like you could you can kind of see her where it's like i'm i'm separating from this guy that i spent 10 years with and i'm like figuring it out i i i'm excited to see where it goes to i guess like i guess i just didn't think about like this is an exciting time for her yeah like she could completely flip it and i can totally see myself like loving her eventually i don't dislike her like i want to be very clear about that i just see pageant girl fair fair um did you guys ever watch um like old new jersey from like it was very shortly after like caroline manzo left and there was

25:31 that one season we don't really talk about with the twins and then like amber marchese kelsey's sister looks like amber marchese i could see that and it was a trigger for me because i hate her i hate her i hate that rotten husband of hers and i that that family is trash in my mind i i know i know we're not focusing on jersey but if there was one season that they would just delete out of like the real housewives of new jersey it would be that one oh my lord i know and like that because like that was we're gonna we're gonna go off on a tangent here like that was the one where dina manzo came back and we had we had gold there with dina manzo and that you want to talk about a wasted opportunity that season oh lord have mercy with like the sister the the twins going through the duncan donuts drive through like i don't i don't need it i don't want it i hate it but anyway It's like, you're not seeing trouble. You're seeing trouble.

26:41 Shut up. Shut up. That's the worst tagline ever. So then Kelsey explains to her mom that her ex is paying the rent. And so she kind of talks about how she's dealing with this, like a divorce that had a prenup. i like how she's approaching because like she's being very smart about this like granted you you spent the last 10 years kind of just like being taken care of and like not setting yourself up for the next step but i also think like why would you if you're in the living in the lap of luxury you have drivers you have like a living housekeeper a living chef like i don't blame her yeah she she was like 23 when she got with this guy i don't blame her like yeah you're not gonna like start saving money to set aside when you're that young I feel no not even a little bit um but also they we talked about this with in Atlanta with um one of the one of the moms like I don't remember which mom it might have been Angela's mom but they did this mom dirty with like some of the angles they put on her too because What the hell?

27:58 Why do they keep doing that? It feels like everyone who comes in their house is all done up and then their moms are just like frumpy as hell. Come on. And her mom's not like an ugly woman. It's just like that outfit was bad. The camera angles were bad. I don't think either of the moms we're talking about are ugly. I think they're just, like, being done horribly dirty on national television. Yes. And how do you come back from that? Can you imagine if they did that to Wendy Osefo's mom? Oh. Oh, yeah, because they did talk about, like, Wendy Osefo's mom, like, potentially being a witch or something. You want to talk about her, like, taking up witchcraft just to, like, curse an entire series? And no one's going to be seeing nothing but ravens. But then Billy shows up to save the day and put the furniture together. And Billy's kind of hot. I like Billy.

28:53 I can see it. I'm like, I'm into it. Emma knows my type. And like, she said the same thing when I, when I acknowledged how hot Joellen's husband is. I'm like, love him. Love him. I love a man that just looks like a man. So then we go over to Ashley's house. this was also kind of a throwaway scene too i i like ashley's son has cold induced asthma and was like doing the most intense inhaler situation i've ever seen in my life with like some vape coming out of her something i don't know a nebulizer what it was a nebulizer what is that my brother has had to use it kenny has one it's an as it's like an inhaler but you're like breathing in oxygen and albuterol through the mask and you do like a 20 minute treatment instead of just like a you know oh okay it's real I believe it's real. I saw it on the TV.

29:59 I've never seen it in real life. It does seem dramatic for a cult. And then they do this scene felt very Secret Lives of Mormon Wives to me because they did the I'm going to do a little social media thing and you see her doing it and She talks about how she wants to get what's his face the the owner of Audrey's what's Kevin? What is it? It doesn't matter what his name is. But like, Ashley tries talks about how she wants him to do more of this because it's so much more lucrative than the coffee shop is. And I guess they have multiple social media deals every year that are more lucrative like than what he nets in a full year at Audrey's and I'm like, Oh, I don't think he's going to like hearing that on national TV. I think that's going to be a real kick in the balls for him. I feel like the way she said it though, like I'm not the biggest fan of Ashley on this franchise, but the way she, she said it was better her delivery. Like let's compare it to Amanda from the real house size of Beverly Hills. She's not emasculating.

31:14 Yeah. It was way less than that. It was a better delivery. that's fair and i don't think she meant it to be mean i think it's like i'm coming at it from the perspective of like he's working i mean you can see he's like he cares about this place and like he's like doing like he's like behind the counter and he's like he cares a lot about it i think hearing that like just saying like oh you don't want me to care about something i've cared so much about but like i i get i think you're right i think it is like i mean at least it wasn't her saying um i make the money in my house like so Yeah. No, yeah. And I also, I've liked their relationship from the first episode.

31:55 I feel like they feel like true partners to me. Yes. I feel like they seem happy together. Like, and you don't get that a lot on Housewives where they just seem genuinely happy together. There's love there. You can feel it. Oh, for sure. I feel like most relationships, even the ones that I think are real, I'm always, like, questioning, like... How do you guys really get along when the cameras turn off? But for them, you can tell that they've grown together, I think. Oh, yeah. Is it Jared? Is that his name, Jared? I feel like it's Jared. We're just going to call him Jared. It's fine. Computer, tell me. Then Joellen heads over to her grandpa's house, and they're like, they all like her and her sister and her mom show up to like clean out the house and it feels like it's going to be a super heavy scene because they're dealing with like the loss of the grandpa did you find it emma you were right it is jared look at me remembering a man's name good enough for me And, like, so I felt like this scene was going to be super, super heavy.

33:08 And it ended up being super heavy for a very different reason than what I initially thought it was going to be. So they go in. I'm just going to tell you right now, I don't like Jolin's mom. I do not like this woman because she is triggering to me in a way that, like, I don't know that I can put words to. I'm just like, oh, you're a bad mother. I don't think you would like your, like at least one of your daughters. So they go up to the bedroom, which I guess used to be Joellen's bedroom when she lived with her grandpa. And Joellen asks her mom if she remembers taking the sister home and leaving Joellen with her grandparents for another two weeks. This is something where, and I wholeheartedly believe, and I think I put this somewhere in the notes later, I do not think they talked about this before they went into the scene. I think this was all sprung on the mom. And I think this was the first time her mom was hearing some of this information.

34:09 And you could tell when Joellen was saying it, she was like, this is something that like I've carried with me for a while. And like the mom didn't take it seriously. And like, I felt so bad. Yeah. If the mom knew that that was going to be the topic conversation, she wouldn't have been in that scene. I think. I think it was because she doesn't want to. That's why her reaction was so non -serious, because she doesn't know how to. Yeah. Okay. And I do think that was orchestrated by Joellen. I was going to say the same thing. I think Joellen said, like, probably lied and said they were going to talk about something different and then confronted her on camera.

34:51 i don't i don't know if i blame her but like so here's the thing the chiropractor lady on uh potomac what was mia mia they did this to me as mom were like they basically sat her down and mia was like remember when you were addicted to drugs and like that felt very different to me because like i was like oh I feel like this mom has tried to make things right. I don't know. That did feel like a very intricate situation we weren't getting the mom's full story about. Not that she wasn't right for any of that, but it feels like there are details we don't know. Exactly. This one felt different to me. I felt like Joellen said, I'm going to put this on camera because this is the only way I'm ever going to...

35:43 come home on this and like figure it out I think Mia needed a storyline I don't think Joellen's doing this for a storyline I think Joellen's doing this to heal and I think that's the difference but seeing it on camera and like because you could oh yeah I literally put this like she her mom had no idea this conversation was going to happen and this like the face that the mom made when Joellen was like I feel like I'm not nice and you were supposed to teach me how to be nice and like I don't like the way I am because of because of you for like for the lack of a better way of saying it that's where I started to feel bad for the mom and then this is where I stopped feeling bad for the mom where she goes she goes is it my fault that you exhibited some of these behaviors and like the mom like starts to like play victim a little bit and then she goes well a lot of the time I just had too much on my plate and it was overwhelming and I was like I hate you I have nothing for you. I was like, because you don't get to say that as a mom. Like, yeah, I don't know. I didn't like that. Especially like, yeah, I don't know. It's it's it just felt like there's a lot of lack of accountability on her part. 100%. And is it your fault that your child is exhibiting attention seeking behaviors?

36:59 Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Because your child is desperate for attention from you. it's that simple years of your child like who else could be at fault for the behavior of your baby like what do you mean and like i just felt like i would have had more respect for her if her mom instead of just like blowing it off was like hey yeah that was fucked up and I'm sorry and I'm so proud that you are the woman you've become today and they moved on like that I would feel differently but the way she was like oh girl or even something like because my dad has said something similar to me like where I had a weird childhood and my dad was like I didn't know how to be a dad like if she would have said something like that resembled that maybe like I could have been okay with that but I'm like yeah you're overwhelmed because everyone is overwhelmed yeah come on yes and your daughter is like begging for you to apologize yes she did so much and nothing at the same time like if she literally just apologized i think that would have made a like a big impact and i don't think we ever got an apology did we like i know we got that i'm sorry anyway okay Perfect. But the scene wrapped up in kind of a sweet place where like, and I think most of the work was done on Joellen

38:30 and the sister's part. Like, I think they were like, come on, mom, like, let's, let's get you to where you don't look like a complete monster on camera. And Joellen was like, let's build from here. And like, it ended in kind of a sweet place. I'm glad that Joellen got that because like she did tell us in a confessional, like she's been waiting to hear some of that her entire life. So like, if Joellen's happy, I'm happy. I'll say that. It just makes me sad. But that's probably because I have kids. Yeah. But like, two things. One, can you imagine hearing that from your child being like, I don't like the way I am because of you like that? I don't know that you can come back from that. That's hard to hear. I wasn't going to say this because I don't actually feel this way, but I do think it's possible. Joellen's mom heard that from her and it really cut her deeply because she knows she kind of ignored Joellen, for lack of a better term, when she was growing up. And she had to kind of not be serious and keep it up and keep it light or else she would have... exploded like really let it out and she was on camera I didn't really get that vibe but I can see that like I feel like if someone really genuinely hurt my feelings on camera I would also kind of laugh it off like shut down a little bit almost and it's like I have to give you this reaction because if I give you the real one like none

40:02 of us are coming back for me yeah I don't I don't really see that happening but I feel like I can see How that should happen. I would accept that as an explanation, sure. And then, thing two, the way Joellen's sister was sitting on that porch looked so uncomfortable to me. Like, were her, like, legs, like, folded under her? Like, I... It's not numb. Like, looking at it, I'm like, oh, my God, my legs are falling asleep. Like, what is happening? so then we get a Liz and Dolores scene I like we've talked a little bit about we haven't but like we've heard a little bit about how as the season went on and like as filming went on they realized dolores didn't need as much of a role as like they initially thought she was going to because the all of these women ended up being so strong i love every opportunity we get to see dolores catania though i that what a woman i love her so much i love her i do yeah and like this felt like kind of a throwaway scene like where it was just like oh we're like soft launching like another one of our like product spinoffs or whatever like every housewife does

41:34 um but we find out that liz and dolores are developing a supplement line in the um cannabis space to help women who are experiencing menopause symptoms and i i was really impressed by this like because number one you i I don't look at Dolores and Liz and think, like, they're old enough to have been going through menopause. Like, I don't know what age that, like, on average that happens. It's so much earlier than you think. When does it start? Perimenopause, which is, like, the beginning stages of, like, you're starting to get there. Early 50s. Really? Yes. I thought this was a thing that started, like, at the earliest, like, 65. So like full blown menopause is probably closer to 65, but I guess starting at like late forties, early fifties, you start getting like hot flashes and like fits of rage and stuff like that. Sure. I had no idea. It's crazy. I had no idea that started either. I obviously I didn't either. But like, Dolores and Liz start to like unpack their experiences with some of these symptoms.

42:53 And like, I was also really impressed because like, this is something that you don't really hear a lot about, like, especially on Housewives, where like, I think a lot of these women, and this is more so a problem, like on the West Coast with Housewives, but like, I think it's a it's a problem. Universally, we're like, society and women especially feel like they have to cling to youth because like when you start aging like that's where you like start to lose value right and they started talking about like some of the real stuff that's happening and I was just really impressed by them and I I know Liz like makes a couple of missteps um later this season and that's fine I'll accept it for her because I still like her I love these two women I love their friendship I love everything about them and I love that they are like ambassadors for uh menopause camp oh there we go where did he go i was like does he not want to hear how much i love doris dolores and liz he's like actually i don't like liz as much as you do that is so funny but I enjoyed that scene. I didn't think it was a throwaway scene, but I was like... No, I was so happy it was there because you're right, especially menopause in particular affects pretty much every woman as they age. You never hear anyone talk about it. Think about how many times

44:24 we talk about erectile dysfunction happening in men as they get older. But no one talks about menopause, which actually is rocking you on a daily basis, which is crazy. So I was... so happy they were talking about it and I think they're the perfect women to talk about it because they're like confident and hot yeah well and that's the thing too is like Dolores and Liz are both like just obnoxiously attractive and I'm like you don't look at them and think like these are women who are dealing with menopause but like they are like that's the reality of it like and I'm glad that you know I'm glad that hot people have a voice Yeah, whoever their plastic surgeon is, like, like, does an amazing job on, you know, on both of them. What I love, especially Dolores, is that following her journey, like, since she started, not even when, because she was featured on the show a couple times before she became full -time housewife, as she was when her kids were little. It's still... kept her like she doesn't look like a different person it's still her but it's like youthful and like keeping up she's a beautiful woman like yeah i love a woman who like it's a maintenance thing she's like maintaining her natural face and just getting it like you know redoing gravity and also I feel like I just need to say, those are, like, two

45:54 examples of women who are, like, you're not, like, oh, my God, they look so good for their age. No, no, no. No, they're just hot. Period. Like, and I, like, I don't know what Liz looked like when she was younger, but, like, I remember seeing, I mean, Dolores was on, like, was not a friend of, but, like, I know she's Caroline Manzo's friend from, like, very, very, very early on. And, like, I remember seeing her in, like, season one or two of New Jersey. always looked like herself but like like she's she we've seen pictures of her like when it's like we do flashbacks like talking about when she was like a correctional officer at the jail or like whatever she's always been just obnoxiously hot like oh it's so annoying how hot she is like what a woman what an absolute woman not just her personality too it's just like She has an attractive personality. Yeah, you want to talk about someone who's not ever putting on a show for anyone ever. God, I love her. She has never once said something she didn't mean with her chest. I know. And, like, even that scene, we've talked about this before, but that scene with Margaret Josephs where I don't know if Margaret actually, I assume Margaret actually said whatever, like, she said, she said.

47:14 But my... Just base level assumption is that Dolores either doesn't remember hearing it or heard something and like didn't think anything of it. And like when she's confronted with that reality, just start screaming, you lying cunt at Margaret. And I'm like, I would even accept that from Dolores. I would accept being on the receiving end of that. I wish she would yell at me. Oh, my God. It needs some privacy. Oh, Lord. But then Rula and Brian are getting ready to host a double date dinner with Alicia and Billy. And I hate Brian. I'm just going to say that. I hate Brian. I hate everything about Brian.

48:04 I think he's a trash man. I think that I don't like. anything about him but um yeah he's just he's he's yucky the sleaze yes yeah yucky like sleazy yeah yeah uh but he um he doesn't deserve Rula I'm just gonna go I'm just gonna start by saying that Rula is obnoxiously hot also like she's someone I would put in that same realm of like Dolores and Liz where I'm just like you're i just want to look at you like you're so pretty and like you're so like your personality is very easy i like all of it but um they're like getting ready for dinner alicia and billy show up and it's wildly awkward because alicia knows that brian was literally just running around on rula two weeks before this and like i love where she comes in she's like i know what you did last weekend like i have it written all over my face i'm like i love you so much um thank you because i would not show up to someone's house knowing that and just like not say anything i don't like how is she gonna say that it kind of gave me vibes of that scene from the real house of atlanta when the producers were wanting cynthia to tell fade or something and she was like taking forever because she's not good at that So, yeah. Yeah.

49:33 I was glad she was just like, hey. But she never said it. That was the thing. She never said it to Rula. Like, we only got it from her in the confessional. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Okay. Like, because that was the thing. She really never said it out loud there, did she? No, she didn't. How did she get through that dinner? because how are you gonna sit there and just be like here's the thing i think there's a lot of like producer magic happening there but like because you can tell there were moments of that dinner where it was like painfully uncomfortable but like i thought it was just tense because they all know that he's no no i think joellen is actually the only one who has actually said to brian i know what you're doing you're a liar you're a cheater and i hate you and everyone else is just like la la la la la so weird and uncomfortable but um but yeah no like so she never says it but like i mean you're not gonna go into someone's house and like ruin the entire dinner so like i i don't blame you oh don't invite me to your house if you've told me that your husband is cheating on you i think maybe like the the producer's plan was to have her say something at that dinner but then um her husband was like i don't want to sit through this i don't want i don't want i don't i will yeah probably get on board with

51:06 that theory um because billy does seem like the guy that's like honey not tonight But we also like go on to like hearing Brian talk a lot. Like Brian feels like he's the kind of guy that like sucks all the oxygen out of a room where he's like, first of all, he's a podiatrist. I want to, I want to say, start by saying he is a, he's a foot doctor, which there's, there is a need for that. There's nothing wrong with that, but he's selling Ozempic and Botox out of his podiatry practice. Why? Number one, like that makes, it's like, it's, it's, I don't, I don't get it. Number two, we find out. Maybe. But you're lighter on your feet. But we find out he's using, he's dipping into his own inventory and he's microdosing Ozempic and then he's taking steroids when he's getting too skinny. And I'm like, I hate you. I hate everything about you. And you just stop talking. And like, What really got me is he has been to medical school. He graduated from medical school. Yes. I ended up tuning him out, if I'm being so real with you. Yeah, I agree with you on that because I don't want to see him. It just gives me the icks. Is that true?

52:38 It's not the real working husband. Okay. Real housewives. Get out of here. But what gave me the bigger ick, though, is, like, he gets a text, he looks at his phone, and then immediately looks guilty. So you know it's the mistress. And what we have since found out about this mistress is she's desperate to get an ounce of notoriety. Like, she has, like, in her Instagram bio, like, she's, like, talking about how she's, like, dating him. Like, it's... She's wild. Like... And it makes me uncomfortable. But then I was like, oh, nothing's going to top how I feel about this man right now. And then he comes back to the table after leaving to text his mistress and tells a story about how when he met Rula, he told the bartender for every drink that I have, give her a double shot. And I'm like, maybe we don't ever repeat that out loud because that is something to be ashamed of. You could have died with that. You could have died with that.

53:37 Should have taken that to your grave. Like, and Rula, if you ever hear this, Rula, I want you to know you are better than him. You deserve better than him. I just want you to know that. I think also with the, because like she's Lebanese and like, like speaking from my culture, like about that stuff. I know that. And I totally like. that mentality needs to be out of there it's like oh if your husband is like going outside of the home and doing stuff there's something missing inside the house so it's blaming the woman and i'm like because she said something on there that was like oh uh this is like my i don't know if it's her second marriage and like culture is like strict on that and she's really trying her best to like make it work but i'm like okay but you were you raised here like you that does not like you should get that out of your mind because that's not even true. Like, like I, you know, I don't know. Like you have this man with only the worst of intentions, the worst reputation. And like, I don't think there's anyone on this earth who is really deep down going to blame you for leaving. My honest to God question for like, just to, to what Cam said is what, what does Rula think she's missing?

55:00 Cause number one, she's smart. Number two, I mean, you realize an Emma and I come from the financial world. She, she runs her own financial planning firm. Like she's smart. Like, cause you, you can't do that and be an idiot. Number three, she's as hot as the day is long. And she's got money. Like she's got her own money. What, what is missing? nothing the only thing i could think of is probably her kids she's trying to probably make it as try as much as possible for her kids but that it's just that's it's not a good it feels like the right thing is not the right thing yeah That sucks. We've seen that so many times. We have. You know what I respect about this franchise, though, is that as much as I hate seeing the husband, because I really do, it's more about her husband is absolutely awful and she does not deserve the treatment that she's getting. She deserves a million times better. It's about that more than I feel like it's about the girls attacking her for it. And I appreciate you watching that. Yeah. Any other city that I've seen, unfortunately, would be given that information and start attacking Rula left, right, and center. Instead of being like,

56:31 I hate this guy. Yeah. I don't know. That's hard. But, oh, oh, and then, okay, so then we head over to Rosie's house with Kelsey. This is what Cam showed up for. Here we go. So I want to start by saying, so we get Kelsey on the phone with Billy, where we get the lower third saying that's Kelsey's only boyfriend. And I love the producer shade there. But Kelsey does say, we've moved past all the ugliness, and we are in a place where we can joke about this now. I'm going to start by saying, I believe Kelsey went into this with lighthearted intentions of just being like, oh, ha ha ha, whatever, this will be funny. I do believe that. We get the, like, cut over to Rosie calling her husband, saying, that she laid out the plans for the expansion on the counter and she's going to force Kelsey to look at them when she gets there. And I'm like, okay, whatever.

57:34 Like, I don't know who that's for. I say all that to say, Kelsey rolls up with a literal siren going off where she's obviously trying to be funny. And this was stupid. Like this was, I'm just like, okay, whatever. But. Rosie says, I live in a very nice community where there's a no siren ordinance. First of all, that can't be a real thing. I didn't take the time to Google it. I cannot imagine that you're maybe a noise safety issue, yes, but maybe a noise ordinance. I don't believe that the HOA got together and they were like, we're going to put in the bylaws that you can't have sirens. Shut up. So then Kelsey gets out of the car and immediately says, I just had to bust your balls a little bit. So she goes into it saying like, oh, like it was supposed to be funny, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

58:31 They go in the house and Rosie is clearly like, she's not going to get over this. And it's, it's a very, very ugly thing. And she hands Kelsey a measuring tape. I'm like this, this was going to go nowhere fast. And then, so it escalates so quickly. My bigger thing that like I keep coming back to is there has to be something here we don't know. Like there has to be something where there was like bad blood between them before this because like I do not believe this is a fight over saying your house is not 8 ,000 square feet and you had a polyamorous relationship. I do not believe that that's what we're seeing here. I'm sorry. What are your thoughts? Maybe that is what they're fighting about. Okay. Do you actually believe that though? No, there's no way. Unless they just really, the vibe is off. Hold on. Okay. Cam, what are your thoughts?

59:25 I mean, it just sounds like, I mean, her relationship is open, right? Like, am I, am I not understanding it or? Well, it was open before she broke up with the other guy. And so I think they've acknowledged that, but like. I cannot imagine that like Rosie calling that out is like why they hate. And here's the thing. I don't think a lot of the hate is coming from Kelsey's side. Like I think this is an aggression from Rosie. So I can't figure out why Rosie feels the way she does about Kelsey. It doesn't feel very genuine. It feels manufactured.

1:00:05 Like it's very. why would you get so mad at somebody for just making some comments about the upgrades you're trying to make your house or like expanding your home or something like that because yeah it's annoying you like it's shady but i mean if you put rosie in the like the shade and the reeds in another franchise like atlanta she wouldn't last a day no no she wouldn't So it escalates, and then Rosie starts screaming, you are literally no one. And this is where I'm like, oh, you think you're better than these other women, at least some of the other women. And you see Kelsey as someone who is in a perfect world, your peer.

1:00:56 You don't like her, and you think that you're better than her. Rosie turns into just an absolute monster saying that the only thing Kelsey ever did was win a pageant because her sugar daddy paid for it. And then she takes her suitcase with the hair supplies in it, throws it outside, and then pushes Kelsey out the door. And this... might be one of my toxic traits but i love when we see a producer step in like have to step in because like it's getting physical i love it so much like a referee yes like like uh hang on let's let's cool it down a little bit and then like so she's like screaming like get out of my house get in my like whatever and like the the reaction felt disproportionate like i literally put in the notes i feel like rosie might need to talk to someone like something feels off here but that's neither here nor there and then i love kelsey because i believe in her mind this is all a very simple little argument that she's just she so she goes back into the house and she goes um for the record rosie i won that pageant fair and square and i don't suck dick for a living you're so pure and i love you so much And then Rosie's reaction, because this was Cam's episode, Cam, I want you to give the iconic line that we got from Rosie in this moment. Oh my God. Okay. She did call her a slam pig. I'm trying to, I honestly forgot. She leans

1:02:31 over the balcony in her house and goes, everybody in Rhode Island knows you fuck married men. You're a fucking slam pig. well the dog also the dog made it her dog was like i don't know why they captured a like a shot of the dog during all of that and then there's a meme right now online that's like it's like if i send you a picture and if this picture that means i'm calling you a slam pig and it's the picture of the dog so out of this chaos i was like why are they like what does the dog have to do with this why are they adding the dog there's something i love about and housewives does this better than any other reality television show where the the the person whose job it is to get b -roll footage like where it's like the camera is like it's either the camera is laid down or like it's just like they're focusing on something else like those are like those are the housewives moments that like i really really love and care about like it's the um it's the cameraman picking up the the the um camera like to run into heather's room on vacation it's the like i didn't i didn't know i needed this until i had it and it's like now i know that i like i'm getting something real and good but so i guess a couple of questions cam um one Whose side are you on in this fight,

1:04:04 Rosie or Kelsey's? I'm on Kelsey's side. I mean, I understand where, like, it probably wouldn't really be a good idea to show up with the whole microphone thing if you don't know the vibe of that person. But the reason why I'm siding with Kelsey is because I don't think she expected that reaction because it's not such a big deal. but if you get out of the car and you you literally say out loud i just had to bust your balls a little bit like yeah you knew it wasn't me just being mean like i was just joking like she she literally says it like it's just it's a weird sensitivity i don't get that's so i agree with you emma what were you gonna say i feel this i know i feel the exact same way it feels like i don't know to explain it it's like she went in there with the best of intentions and I feel for her because we've all been there where we're like you know trying to joke around and play around and that's not the vibe yeah and I feel like she really got put into a situation that she didn't expect to be in and I would have a hard time siding with Rosie like after seeing how it all went down You know, like, I would get Rosie's point of view of being like, like, don't come into my space and be like that. Like, whatever. But the way she flips her lid, it's

1:05:34 like, how can you really? I mean, sometimes, like, I feel like sometimes you are the victim, but your actions make you the villain. I think that's exactly what happened here. And, I mean, for Rosie, I think she wants to be that main character. like on this franchise but we we just saw the seating chart yeah for the reunion I will tell you this is one reunion I like I get excited for most actually that's a lie I get excited for most reunions that aren't Orange County and Beverly Hills because like I'm just I've moved past those cities entirely but i am so excited to see this reunion because i think these this is a group of women who i i think we've seen everything up until this point has been very very real and i think i think this reunion is going to be gold like i am so excited yeah yeah um question between them so that's gonna a lot of that stuff is gonna come up yeah question number two and this is for all of us if you could be friends with any of these women on the cast who would who would you be friends with i'm gonna say joellen okay beautiful and it's like i i don't know like if i take a picture

1:07:07 with her and post it on instagram that's gonna dramatically change my feed like it's gonna be amazing i agree i would be friends with joellen too number one i think she's she and her husband are both as hot as the day is long like they are so obnoxiously hot number two i think that she is the kind of friend like i i go back to that scene where they're at the polo match and she says to rula If you want proof, I'll find you proof. I believe that is a ride or die friend. And I think like she would go to the ends of the earth for her friends. I 100 % am Joellen too. I... My first instinct is Liz because I would want to be friends with Liz the most, but I'm not cool enough to be friends with Liz. She would never be friends with me. I think she would.

1:08:02 She would be nice to me, but I would never really be in her circle. You're trying to get double. You're trying to get her and Dolores because you'll be Dolores too. I know they wouldn't accept me. Oh. I'm just not cool enough for them. They shouldn't. I like to believe that they would accept us into their circle. They'd be like, we'll put you on probation and we'll see how this goes. I like to believe that they would do that for us. I believe that more for Joellen than for Liz. Sit with us. cam did you enjoy this podcast with us yeah this was really fun good you can come back anytime you want cam tell the besties where they can find you you can find me on tiktok for a for bravo and on instagram gay for bravo .ig because i couldn't get it without the ig on instagram we're gonna have to pay for that probably we'll all get there um from indy to california to rhode island we love you thank you for being here thank you for listening and cam you are welcome back anytime you were super fun to hang out with and we loved this