reality roundup: RHOP season premier with Husbands Watching Housewives.

0:13 I'm Travis. I'm Emma. And this is Bestie Approved. We're back with Husbands Watching Housewives. Potomac has begun. I'm so excited, you guys. I'm so fucking excited. It's been great doing podcasts with other people and getting out of our own little routine and stuff. It's been fantastic. So for us, especially to be able to do this again so soon after the Salt Lake premiere, this is fantastic. I was so worried you weren't going to want to come back on Best We Approved. I thought you were going to be like, that trash. Please don't listen to them. That trash. That trash box. Yeah. Well, that's why you had to go to Sing Sing because of the hot box. Is that where Karen was? Sing Sing? Sing Sing in Virginia?

1:07 Sing Sing in Virginia. I don't know. Sing Sing's not a real place, is it? It was a real place. Is it still open? I don't know if it's still open. It was a real prison, but it's definitely a prison of Karen's generation, I would say. What's a prison by us? Or in this... Area of the North Bay. We don't really have a prison around here. We're near Folsom Prison, I think. No, the other one. Oh, we're near San Quentin. San Quentin, yes. I work across the highway from San Quentin. It's still open. That's where the murderers are. You give them a little wave when you drive in. It's got to be rough on them because it literally is sitting on the bay. If you have a window, it's this beautiful view of the bay.

1:56 You're like, oh, I'm stuck in here for my bad decisions. Anyway. Sharing with other people, you guys. I love that. Kiarna. Kiarna has to shower with other people. The way that they... I guess we're just going to jump into it. The way that these women... What they were worried about with Karen being in prison was wild to me. I was just like... Yes, she does have to shower with other people. She also had 40 UIs. I mean, Christ. Yeah. I did feel like they didn't want to sit there and just be like, well... Good.

2:39 You know what I mean? They still want to be her friend and that's what makes me think she's coming back. I mean, obviously she is since they were filming outside her release, but... I'm sure they were preparing for all eventualities of like, we can't talk too much shit about her because this will happen and if we don't talk enough, people will accuse us of being too nice to her. So yeah, they were trying to cover all their bases. I think just like me, No, please go ahead, please. Just like they picked up cameras for that short moment to have them react to her being sentenced, I think they will pick up cameras to have maybe a little Giselle -Karen scene, perhaps, to tack on to the end of the season.

3:23 Oh, you're 1 ,000 % setting up for that. And perhaps an Andy -Karen interview, one -on -one. That's my guess. Maybe. So I was very interested coming off of it because I watched it live and I turned on Bravo and I caught the last 15, 20 minutes of the reunion. And the way that they were dragging her at the tail end of that, just like talking about this man that saw Ashley on the train and was talking about like, oh yeah, she used to come in and day drink at this restaurant all the time. And I was just... Like, I was like, oh, I mean, she's she's shameless. She'll be able to come back from it. But like. Like, does she want to? I don't know. I don't know that I want to. My question is, why are people like seeking out Ashley Darby to tell like horrible things about their cast mates? I have a feeling Ashley Darby is the one seeking. well no because we also they whatever the tj's friend or whatever who was just like you guys look i i don't think you could just like seek that out like i don't think she's walking around an event going do you know tj do you know i don't know maybe because she's so approachable right Did I send you guys my notes from this episode? Yeah, well, we saw them. We definitely looked at them. And man, I have to say, I was a little nervous after our

4:56 last episode together. So I didn't know what to expect, obviously. I was like, you know, how is this going to go? Because we don't really take notes. Right. And so we didn't know like how we were going to really be like doing like an actual recap, like kind of scene by scene and stuff. Yeah. One, thank you for taking great notes. And then also just reading through your notes. It was just like, yes, that was insane. And that was silly. So we appreciate you walking us through all of it. Yes. I feel like we talked about this last time. I take notes like the way I think. So like I literally start, it's starting. And I was so excited. So good. Well, we can't just jump right into it. We need to talk about what music we've been listening to lately because we actually made a point to remember what we've been listening to lately. Yeah. Okay. i've been listening to windsor just a indie indie rock kind of guy who's actually i thought he was kind of made it big or big already but then now i see him on tiktok kind of pandering like hey everyone listen to me and i'm like oh i guess he's not as big as i thought he was but yeah all day long i've listened to that it was good i liked it i love that what have you been listening to um i the last song i listened to was hot and sexy by zara larson I don't know that, but I like the title. I'll send it to you guys. It's a very good song. Jack is very emo these days, and so we're listening to Uneasy Hearts Weigh

6:29 the Most by Dance Cabin Dance. Oh, nice. Very cute. It has cuss words in it, but he never remembers the words anyway. Those are the most important words. He's more vibes -based. That's perfect. What about you, Josh? Yeah, so my long one, because I know last time I A, couldn't remember, and B, I'm like, I only listen to old stuff. But this week, I've been listening to new stuff. Two albums. One, I'm a huge Mariah fan, so her new album. Here For It All came out last week. So good. First album in seven years. And love all the songs on it. He's been making me watch every appearance Mariah has, like on all the late night shows and stuff. Like Jimmy Fallon, Kelly and Mark, and then Andy, of course, Watch What Happens Live. Her appearance on Watch What Happens Live was probably the best. But I have to say, I think I can recite all of her talking points now just by watching so many interviews with Mariah Carey. I'm just like, oh, and you put that song last. You don't say. and the grunge album and this and that yes so all good songs so there's that one and then Taylor's new album Life of a Showgirl which I used to not be into Taylor at all but now like I'm I wouldn't say I'm a Swifty but I like her a lot and I think it's really good like it's very upbeat and poppy and the title track Again, great. And this other

8:00 song, Canceled, I was listening to before we got on here. But this actually relates to Housewives because Lisa Rinna, you know how she likes to post on Instagram, like, you know, dancing around while like Harry Hamlin's like minding his own damn business, like reading the paper. So she did like a video to Canceled and also to Life of a Showgirl. And it's just like, you know, really fun. I just saw her jumping on a trampoline. Am I thinking of the right thing? She was like, trampoline. I swear it was Lisa Rinna. I don't know. I feel like it probably was. She's always jumping around doing something. It's always just like a... Yeah. It's a very move your body thing.

8:42 It's amazing. Which one of Taylor's songs is about Travis Kelsey's horse cock? Which one is that? About his wife? About his horse cock. Oh. I don't know which one. There's one about a tree or something, and the tree's a metaphor for his dick. Oh. I don't know. Yeah, my friend, not this Scott, but my other friend Scott was talking about that one, and I'm like, maybe I wasn't paying attention. I don't think you're analyzing the lyrics enough. Well, there's one where she's like, no. Like, W -O -O -D would. I just looked it up. i would watch a movie called wood with travis kelsey in it oh wood oh that oh yes because she talks about spreading her thighs got it yes okay that's the one yeah i'd say jeff's kind of like jack he's not paying attention to the lyrics yeah i'm feeling the vibes no not just that again thank you okay you're so welcome yeah um Did you guys see that Rachel Zeph is going to be on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, by the way? Oh, yeah. Yes, we saw the little commercial.

9:55 Yeah, her little preview commercial. Yeah. I used you. I never really watched her. I never watched the Rachel Zeph project, but I kind of saw her in clips on The Soup at the time, and I really liked when they made fun of her. So not specifically her, but her show is really cheesy. But I'm looking forward to her on Beverly Hills. I think. You're good. I was going to say, I think we're going back to a place where we're getting back to housewives, because I think we brought that little Teddy fucking Mellon camp on that show. We strayed too far from God there, and we need to get it back on track. We'll let that go. We love Teddy. We love Teddy a lot, but we understand why people don't. I get it.

10:42 I know. I don't. dislike. You can talk smack about it. We're here for it. I know that you're not going to get crazy with it, like the internet. She's got a bit of a reprieve lately because nearly dying from the cancer. But before that, it was basically like, I want you to die. No, I don't want her to die. That's the thing. I struggle with her. Wait, what? I think he just froze on my end, too. We're here. Now, I feel bad because I want to like Teddy, but she grew up in the spotlight. She was John Mellencamp's daughter, and she's too boring for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Let's just call it what it is. Talk about your eating disorder accountability business. What are you doing? Yeah, I mean, that wasn't the best look. The accountability business was a bit much. But, you know, I think there had to be a voice of reason or a level -headed person. And that's what I think we like about her is that through all of it all, like, she never really said anything that was unreasonable.

11:55 Like, she wasn't, like, going all crazy half -cocked like, you know, Camille or someone and just going out of left field. And I think that's what gave her the boring moniker is that she was just too reasonable, which... we enjoy funny thing is like she didn't even like they made her go with uh naming herself that coach she didn't even know what that was she just needed a term so it was very easy for her to lean into the eating disorder of all of it though and that's just all i'm gonna say I'm going to let it go. We saw your notes. We're going to have some words about Giselle when we get there, too. We're going to pick and choose our battles. Here's the thing.

12:41 She has it coming. I get it. Absolutely, yeah. It's the same way where Bethany Pringle's my hero, but I'm like, eh, she has it coming sometimes. I will say, teddy made accountability a thing because on this episode it was like the drinking game like accountable you take accountability well i think they said like the the thing that established this group is accountability and i was like from who the thing was etiquette etiquette was the thing that started this group um for bravo con too oh yeah oh yeah that Well, I mean, we got two shirts made. We're testing our hand at merch so we can walk around with a Husbands Watching Housewives shirt. I made the logo on the back way too big. That's fine. I feel like I'm wearing a giant plastic wrap. It was really weird. But yeah, we got some merch and we're just kind of getting ready for it. He's picked out some schedule that we want to do. Well, so we got the schedule last week. They announced it. And so it's like all the panels and it's all it's very handy dandy and the app and you can like basically give you the whole schedule and you can like add things to your schedule basically. So it's just nonstop like panel, panel, panel, like literally going from like. uh the valley to potomac and then like beverly hills later on that day and this isn't even like including

14:13 the photo ops which they announced that later on and you have to like sign up like which who knows what we'll get but because everyone gets you know crazy about that so it's a very busy day like i already like was looking at it and it's just like i told him like when are we gonna find time to eat that's so exciting whose panels are you the most excited for Well, that's the thing is, I mean, he'll remember more than I because I have a bad memory. But the panels are weird this year. I feel like I feel I know it's Bravo con. But two years ago, it was majority housewives, a little bit of other Bravo shows in there. But there's a lot of stuff. What it is, is that there's a lot of mixing of people like for like. themes like oh this is my bestie so it's like housewives who are besties across other cities i .e like theresa and alexia and like sutton and cynthia and teddy tamra of course and then you know so it's like and then like girls against boy like battle the sexes and like you know it's yeah and also too since there's like not a jersey panel but they're still going to be theresa margaret dolores and Melissa, are they going to be there? Spread amongst panels.

15:26 So, like, Teresa has, like, three panels going on, both, like, flat or castmates, just so she can be there and have a presence. And then it's also odd because OC does not have a panel, period, but they've dispersed the women amongst, like, other random panels. Interesting. And New York is going to be their new New York, i .e. Jessel, Aaron, and Cy, but dispersed. And I think Luanne's going to be there stealing one from old Roni. Did you see that the New York is, like, filming again? Did you see this? No. I've heard that, like, there are rumors that they have, like, they're testing or whatever. I think what's going to happen is they're going to bring, like, Dorinda and Luanne back to, like, mix with the girls.

16:14 I liked the new New York. I really, really did. But, like, people hated it. And, like, I guess, like, I don't know. You got to give the people what they want. I don't know. I mean, I can see them coming back as kind of, like, den mothers or, like, sorority, you know. I don't think it would work because it's such, it would be very obvious, like, this is new, this is old. I think they would be better off doing, like, another legacy, like, girl strip kind of situation. Because it just, I can't see, like, Dorinda and Jessel really, like. mixing well. I think she'd be really good friends with Jenna Lyons. I think they'd be really cool together. Right. That's true. Yeah. So, Emma, do you watch all the other shows, too? I dabble. You dabble. I dabble. I haven't watched every episode of New York. I haven't watched every episode of Beverly Hills. I've watched... almost every episode of atlanta but it's still like spotty potomac and salt lake city are like ride or die for me nice nice good we're not forcing you to catch up on potomac this time like we did salt lake no no i was all potomac i've been sitting on my hands for this interview This premiere. What prompted you to Emma? Because like, I don't think it was me, but like you were, were you, were we sick or something? Like what? Cause like there was like a two week period where you were like, I just

17:45 watched all of it. I don't know what came over me. I liked that, that they were from a city I had never heard of. Like, I, I don't know what Potomac Maryland is. and I had never watched that series and at that point I think they were like six seasons in or something and I was like well I need to like see what it's about and then I fell in love with Giselle and I just like binged the whole thing I think we have like had COVID or something because we were texting about it and I remember being in bed and I was like I'm so happy that she likes this. I like chugged it. I loved it so much. I was the same way about Potomac. I remember like this is when I still lived in Solana and I was like watching TV and I saw like this, like the cherry blossoms go across the screen. I was like, oh, what the fuck is this? And God, like what a trip. I loved it.

18:51 I'm so mad at Ashley and Stacey right now. I hate them. After the premiere. Well, let's get into it. I'm mad at them both. On opposing sides, I'm mad at them both. Yeah, no, it wasn't fun to watch because I want to like them both, but they make it so, so hard. I wish I could like you, girl. We'll get into it. We'll talk about it. Okay, so we start off with everyone getting over to Giselle's house and they're unpacking the State of the Union after Karen gets arrested.

19:33 And the one thing that stands out to me so much about this cast, they are all gorgeous. There's not one of them that's like, oh, there's no dog in the group. They're all so beautiful. And they're glam. Wow. They eat it up every time. I mean, I could do without Kiarna's confessional, you know, her tiara theme. Her and her crowns. Yeah. Kiarna might be the one where I'm like, I'm here on the TV this season. I'm fine. She might take a minute to grow on me. Hopefully without Greg, she'll have the room to grow. If they keep telling us about Greg, I'm not going to be listening.

20:21 I think she's so pretty and I like her so much. I just wish she would get off that man. I think that's the way I felt about her last season because I think she opened it up with going, my man, my man, my man. And I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Unfortunately, I think she, cause she's talked about it like briefly last season. I think she wants to have kids and she really liked Greg and it was stable and all of that. And so I think she like. thought that was it for her so she was like blinded by that a little bit but you could see like she's so different with him than she is everywhere else so that's like a huge red flag no because he's a monster yeah well and i'm sure being on the show you know more you know more full -time probably opened her eyes to some other possibilities sure her dms were blowing up like crazy after last season i hope so i mean like she's beautiful she needs to get pounded out like god bless I love that she moved out. Her new place is nice. I love that when they were over at Giselle's house, Ashley did call out the Thomas Jefferson's concubine thing, and I love that I made that the name of all of our group chat. I forgot about that. I was like, oh yeah, Karen said that. they flash

21:55 back to some of like the karen situation and like i didn't realize how triggering that was for me like that was a lot like seeing her wasted and like the whole be all of it like it i did not like that it's hard to watch because you're like wow karen just shut up Oh, man. I didn't like the way that Ashley said it, though. I wish she, because she, like, whispered it under her breath and was like, oh. Yeah. Come on. I went from like, oh, poor Karen. So, Stacey. Yeah.

22:39 But the question I have is, did she pay TJ to be her boyfriend? I think she was giving half of that check to TJ. I think it's crazy. Like, the check isn't that small for a first -year housewife. So, like, that's a very paltry amount already. So, I don't know who to believe. I don't think TJ is a reliable witness as well. So, I don't know. Actually, Darby at a party, she's reliable, right? this actor sue what is with bravo is very afraid of like offending celebrities because like they bleeped out and like blurred out whenever someone said the dude from that tamra allegedly banged and now this famous actress who they don't want to say her name and i'm like oh what is it oh it's a liability it's a it's a slander lawsuit waiting to happen like i really then makes you speculate like you know who was it yeah i want to know so bad Can't they just say allegedly and then get away with that? It works for everyone else, right? I mean... I don't know. I don't know. I wonder if there's something to do with signing releases or something. I don't know. But I'm curious who told Ashley Darby that because I... I don't know. I'm sure there's a blog about it. I wonder if this person who's supposedly TJ's best friend... okay and then

24:10 she has these why does she have these screenshots and then like oh she just happens to run into Giselle and Ashley at this essence event it's just too it is weird but it also seems weird to me that Ashley would want it to be true so bad like Ashley is weird in general and she like will die on a hill 100 but i i just feel like if that didn't happen it's so weird that she like can't stop bringing it up to stacy you know what i mean remind me at this point emma when we get to the fight where ashley's calling her a liar because i have a theory about this so remind me about this okay At the very end. I think this woman did say this, but unless you're going to show me the actual receipts, like, come on. You know, it's hearsay. I also couldn't find this lawsuit that had been filed anywhere. Like, I did a lot of digging. I could not find the lawsuit. You're a regular Ashley Darby. Yeah, I'm going to ask her. I love a document. I thought it was strange that Giselle said... I tried to get a screenshot of it, but I couldn't. Like the way she said, I was like. Was she like holding her phone over the other lady's phone? Like, here, let me get a shot. And then was it successful?

25:33 Like, I don't know. It's all just so strange. Yeah. And it gets down to the problem with it is what the hell do they care so much for? Like, how does this affect their lives? My answer to that is twofold. You could say, or they would say, we care about it because, you know, how can we be friends with this person when she's like lying to our faces and, you know, she's not taking accountability, whatever, whatever. But really. if we break the fourth wall it's you're not doing what the rest of us are doing which is like showing our real lives supposedly and i'm bogged because you're not pulling your weight in that and like i'm putting myself out here not really ashley giselle but but you're not and so now i'm pissed because you're just getting away with it and you're skating on that so i think that's what they just i agree with that so i'll just tell you the theory i was going to tell you later i i think that's part of it i think the other part is behind the scenes she lied about something much bigger and they can't say it on camera for whatever reason whether it's liability whether it's like whatever and this is how it's coming out in a very ugly way it's like we're gonna fight about because it's like you're never fighting about what you're fighting about like in a lot of cases on these shows so i have a feeling that's what this is like I don't care that she paid TJ. If she did,

27:07 great. If not, whatever. I don't care. They are focusing a lot on that, which tells me something bigger had to have taken place. I think you're right. There's more to it. She didn't rob Giselle to pay TJ. Right. Giselle's raise. In a way that Ashley, when they were trying on dresses in the middle of the show, she was like, you're just overall a liar. I was like, what else did she lie about that I'm missing? Like... Travis, I think you're right then. Yeah, they really latched onto something else. Yeah. But speaking of latching on, Stacey goes and has lunch with her ex -husband because they're dating again. I don't want it.

27:53 That's the only other thing I can think about for, like, why she would have paid TJ is, like... I don't know. Also, with Ashley saying that they can't find anything legally like public about her divorce is makes me think that she was never getting divorced and that she just thought she needed some juicy storyline to get on the show. And she's. Yeah. Manufactured her. And she's still standing on. Well, we even told our daughter, like, we're divorced, we're divorced, but now we're back together. Okay. And it's so weird. It's so weird. I just did not appreciate how she behaved in this altogether. Also, I could not believe she called Kiarna, of all people, vanilla. I was like, Stacey, you missed that.

28:46 You said Kiarna doesn't have a personality. And I said, Stacey. I would argue that Kiarna has too much personality, honestly. I don't know, just coming from Stacey, who has had straight hair and a basic Fashion Nova fit on for two, three seasons now. What are you talking about? What was that? Like a basic Fashion Nova dress on and a straight hair. Every single time. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Mix it up a little, girl.

29:26 She's up for the big game a bit, though. I will give her that. And if you want to be basic, be basic, but you can't run around calling other people vanilla. Come on. And then I think when Stacey said that. We found out we were officially divorced when we were on the beach on vacation together. What do you mean? What do you mean you found out? Did you not file the paperwork? Did you not sign the paperwork? What do you mean you found out? Well, you can file it, but then your lawyer could tell you, okay, now it's final. I think that's what she meant. It was a surprise to her. Not a surprise, but I think it was more so they didn't know the exact when it was going to be like final, final. Maybe she was in Barcelona with Lisa from Miami and she had to get a notary at like three in the morning and some shit. Can you hand me my beer? Maybe she was just aggravating the shit out of me and like that's why I honed in on that so much. I was like, God. There's just something not right with that whole thing.

30:35 And then the way that she's sitting across from her ex -husband, you know, kind of just sitting there like. something's just smug about it in a way that like, she thinks she's pulling one over on us, the viewers and the other ladies when it just seems really. transparent and really, really paper thin. Just whatever she's trying to do. We'll figure it out before it's all done. Also, that ex -husband looks like he has horcruxes somewhere. He makes me uncomfortable and I don't. He has a white horcrux. I thought he was kind of cute. I thought he was like a more European John Barlow. He has German. He seems nice and whatever. It's just so obvious. She had to reiterate last season like 10 different times that she's not having sex with TJ. And now she's back with her ex -husband. It's like, this is so clear as day. You were covering. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was probably the stipulation her ex -husband gave. Yeah, I'll play along with this as long as you make sure no one thinks you had sex. Jesus Christ. But he wasn't interested in being on the show at all because they had to blur him.

31:47 Oh, yeah. He didn't sign off. on a release last season like even in pictures they had to blur his face so i forgot about that yeah i wonder like when it became like okay i'll do this show with you i'll be on camera you know it's just yeah that part i will give you is is is sus probably when his checks started clearing for tj and he's like i can just do this myself and for me i was like she just seems so disingenuous about everything that she's saying and I wonder how much truth there is to at some point I don't even remember who said it but someone said haven't you been trying to get on this show for like years now and her only defense was girl I've been on TV it's like yeah but you haven't been on TV yeah You were selling Lisa Renner's clothes. Like, let's not the dusters. And I, yeah. So like, I wonder if she was like, I have a plan. I can't, I can't imagine it would take that much. I mean, unless the producers or the casting people were like, well, you know, we really, we don't need a happily married couple on housewives of Potomac.

33:07 So you'd be the only one or the only one that's allowed to be Karen and Ray. I think the only real happily married couple on the show is Wendy and Eddie. They seem like they actually like each other, still in love, have a good family. We'll see at the end of the season because that one looked like the wheels were about to fall off too. She's doing the wife swap thing though. I can't wait for wife swap. So good. I think that'll be good, actually. Maybe if that was a misdirect with what's going on there. I think it is going to be a misdirect, but wife swap.

33:49 I was really hoping it was going to be all housewives wife swapping with each other. So that way they could be really, really shady about the way the other families live. I thought that'd be great. It'd be like the one time they could actually bring the kids up. Well, I think this is more interesting to have real people with pigs. I think so, too. I don't know. I think it's kind of cool because it's like you probably like I have to assume that some of these women that are going to swap with the Housewives are like huge Housewives fans. So it's like, oh, I get to live. I think that's kind of cool for them, honestly. Not that lady off the grid, though. She probably has no clue. No, but like I would have loved to see Angie Kay wife swap with Wendy.

34:32 Yeah, that'd be great. No, I think Wendy in that like preview snippet that you were talking about. I have a funny feeling she's talking about her dad because we've seen a lot of her mom, but not a lot of her dad. That's the other thing I thought. Yeah. OK, you're probably right. That sounds. Yeah. They never talk about the dad. Yeah. Yeah. Her mom's name. I don't this year. I don't remember her mom's name at all. I hate her mom. I'm just I hate her mom. I'm intimidated by her mom. I don't hate her. She gets in her daughter's business a little too much for me, but I think that might be a cultural thing. She intimidates me. She's a stronger woman than I, and I know that's true. It's not about... I feel like the way she makes Wendy feel is what bothers me, because I feel like Wendy feels like... like you know it's like closed off around her almost and i'm like oh i don't i feel like you have a thing about your mom and i don't i wish she didn't feel that way like i can't stand that about her though yeah like you can never do enough to please her mom other nigerian people i know though that's like a pretty common thing With a lot of, I think, freshly immigrated families, like first -generation Americans, there's a lot of first -generation immigrants, a lot of living up to your parents' expectations and stuff. I've heard that from some of my friends. So, yeah,

36:02 it can be a lot, I'm sure. But we got to meet Kiarna's mom. And she looks like she's six years older than Kiarna. I know, right? I thought it was Kiana at first. I did too. I was like, oh, wait, no, that's not. They clearly just walked out of the same glam room together and walked onto the camera. My God. It was wild. I've never seen anything like that. But even her outfit, I was like, that could be Kiana. She would wear that. Yeah. Oh, my God. I need to know what elixir she drank. She looked amazing. And she had the patience to listen to Kiarna talk about Greg, which I barely have, so. Right. She said, I don't like you with him. Well, I appreciate that you are with him. Yeah. Yes. And she also was like, I also raised you better than this. Like, she's like a very, like, like, it's not tough love, but it's like, you need to hear this. And I really like that. No, I like the stance of I raised you better than this, but not like you need to have more discipline type of thing. It was like I raised you to understand that you are the creator of your own happiness and you're a queen and you're number one and you deserve better than that. I thought that was nice and nice. Yeah, that's the word. And then we head over to Wendy's

37:37 house and. Happy Eddie's getting ready to expand his operations into New Jersey. I'm sorry. I hate interrupting. Before we get off of Kiarna and Greg, we're all in agreement. Greg isn't making a comeback. She's done with Greg. Or is she leaving the door open so we have to see? The door's open. They're going to be done. I have a feeling. Oh, 100%. I think she's attached to who she thought Greg was and what they thought they could be. And I think she's struggling a little bit to let that go. But the fact that she has moved out and it's been months now is good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He reminds me so much of my ex -uncle, Big Joe, when he was with my aunt Tina and they got remarried and divorced like three times. So like, I have a feeling that's what's happening. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah. Reminds me of cordon Tina from all I have to live, but like a real life soap opera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

38:42 I guess. Yeah, you're right. She needs, she needs to know. I mean, I, I don't want to sit here and rag on a guy, but he does seem very ordinary and very not. He didn't want to see her. He doesn't want to see her flourish. He really wanted to see her on the same level as him and not do anything that, you know, he couldn't be part of. And I think that's always so sad to see in a couple, you know? He also seemed to be like, there's nothing wrong with this. He seemed to have more like traditional values. That's okay, but I don't see that for Kiarna. She's like girl boss. I own my own business and it does really well.

39:23 I got everything done. I have a picture of me in my bedroom. I just feel like they're not compatible in that way. Do any of us have a picture of ourselves that large in our bedroom? No. Not in my bedroom, but in my entryway. Okay. All right. So I was about to say, I think, I think you have, you have to have one of those to become a housewife. So Travis, I think you are well on your way to becoming a real housewife. I love that Giselle amongst her wall of mirrors also had a self portrait.

40:07 Yeah. God, I love her so much. I love her so much. When he was like, wow, you must love yourself. Yeah. That scene with Giselle, I know we're skipping around. I know you're probably driving you nuts, Travis. But that scene of Giselle having no one to talk to other than the cameraman. Laying down on the bed sideways, kicking her feet up in the air. It was like, what in the hell am I watching? I watched it all day. I love it so much. I could just tell she was a little bit uncomfortable because she was like, she was like, oh, my bed is so comfy as if she'd never laid in it before.

40:52 She doesn't have Robin anymore. Was she sharing that bed with her daughters? I don't understand. She doesn't have Robin anymore though. So like, she's like trying to. I don't know. Yeah, and Ashley was busy that day and couldn't go to her house. I loved that she said she's been out in the streets. She said, do I have time for a man? Yeah, I do. I'm so busy with my podcast and with G &A, I'm like, okay, sure. What is G &A in the year 2025, by the way? What are they doing now? Joggers. Now, if we tried, we'd looked at their website. We would have bought like a GNA hat or something, but it was just, there was nothing available. Like we were launching GNA merch, but there's none. Yeah. Maybe it'll be a BravoCon.

41:50 Oh, that's where they relaunch. Should we get you a G &A? Do you need some G &A? If you have requests, there's this thing at BravoCon, the Bravo Bazaar, where everyone sells their wares in like this one big room. And that's where you can also encounter housewives or like Bravo Laboratories, unless they're like their assistant is running the booth. But you can sometimes see like, oh, look, there's Teresa selling her cookbooks or like whatever, or Happy Eddie, you know, selling. Yeah, Wendy was selling her three -wick candle last time. She wasn't actually there when we met. True, true. Yeah. But yeah, we could have gotten like a Happy Eddie shirt and that sort of stuff. Yeah. So if you like something, let us know. You can Venmo us later. I'll take a look. I'll see what's at the bazaar. But we head over to Wendy's house for happy eddies, getting ready to go to New Jersey. And I feel like he's grown into himself a little bit. Like, he seems just brighter, almost. I do think it seems like he's found his truth. Like, he's happy with the happy eddies. I would say maybe he's just excited.

43:00 He can just be like, yeah, I smoke a whole lot of weed and I make money off of it. He's Maria Sino. Their son saying, well, Chick -fil -A is a large company. They would pay me a big salary, right? That was so funny to me because that's such a kid thing to say. That's so cute. He's not that young of a kid either, though. You'd think he'd know that minimum wage is minimum wage, people. Yeah, he's also not grounded. yeah i'm surprised wendy didn't like reach across and give him a swat on the back of the head for saying he's not she's not a real doctor yeah or she didn't mention her i don't think she wanted to explain on camera that it's a phd why stop now she does it all the time i know i know i think she was just like maybe that's what it is is that she's trying to stop being the like cocky dr wendy thing and so she was like yeah we're watching on brand with jimmy fallon that new marketing show he has with um one of the one of the contestants has like three degrees he's like oh he's a teacher he's a professor of marketing and he has like he named all his degrees i'm like oh just three wendy has four yeah so better get back to school there's still

44:35 time sir and then we go with ash oh i like didn't finish this note all the way but actually heads to what looks like the tackiest store on god's green earth and um What is that lady they always go to, right? We're not waiting for last year. I thought we were like, why is it not Vivian this year? Because Stacey alienated her. Right. But we've seen this woman before, right? 100%. We've been in this store. Yeah. You couldn't pay me money to be in here. It just feels so overstimulating to me. It's giving prom. It's giving prom score. Yes. Well, I mean, if it's Ashley's favorite place to shop, we can imagine how loud it is there. Yeah. But we get the headline of how much money Ashley got out of the divorce.

45:42 And I feel like Michael Darby was 100 % trying to hide money and assets during their separation because Ashley looked like she was poor for a little bit. Oh yeah. She was worrying for sure. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think too that she like knew how much money he was basically holding out on her. And that was like stressing her out. Cause she's like, I need that. But she looks so, she got that $2 million and she went right to the med spa. And she said, she said, fix me up. She's better. She looks happy. She looks relieved. Like there's a weight off her shoulders. She has enough time to like really give it to Stacy and turn this through all the research. Well, Stacy shows up and she brings that up. And the way Stacy reacts to everything, like while it's bizarre to me, I find it so funny because she's just like, well. do you want the truth? And then Ashley's like, please, yes. One thing I want, it's for you to quit lying. Yeah.

46:56 And she's just like, I let him go, Ashley. I let him go. Like the way I'm just like, no, you. Yeah. Yeah. That's not the truth. I loved it because I loved how exasperated Ashley was. And it's like, yeah, she's not going to give you what you want. So deal with it. Like, and how you have the audacity to be exasperated. Like, why aren't you doing housewife? Like, you should be doing housewife. And it's like, I'm not going to. Eat me. Yeah. I just feel like we're not going to get it out of Stacey. And that just has to be okay. I also thought it was so funny that Stacey was talking like it would have taken Ashley weeks to do this search query to try to find the lawsuit. How does she have the time?

47:44 How does she have the time? When's the last time you Googled something, Stacey? Like, it doesn't take that long. She had to get a membership to LexisNexis. What the fuck? I also liked how hard Ashley was just like going in it, whether it was at this moment or later on when she's like, you are lying. Like she was just so worked up about it that she wasn't even sugarcoating it and just being like, you are a liar. Which is where my theory comes from. I was like, why are you, why is it this big of a deal? And I'm like, oh, there's something there. Yeah. I loved like. Stacey's saying, the imaginary friend. And Ashley kept saying, she's very real. She's an actress.

48:29 It's this person. I guess the way she pressed Ashley was pretty good, too. Yeah, Ashley was pressed. And maybe that's where Stacey's work comes in. But for the second time in this episode, she storms off and Ashley just goes, you love a walk -off. yeah I mean to be fair she does do that a lot she just like sprints out the door um we go over to Giselle's house and I just forgot I love her so much and I want to get into Scott and Jeff and why I'm wrong apparently oh no no you're not wrong you're not wrong here's the thing I've had a precarious relationship with Giselle um I used to love Giselle when the first show first started and then around the Monique era Which, by the way, I totally forgot Monique's going to be on the show. When they showed the trailer at the end, I was like, oh yeah, that's right. Because there's so much else going on with all these women. I'm so excited. So around that time of Monique and then with Candice, I really, really disliked Giselle. And I think we finally got to a good place in my head last season. And so I'm okay with Giselle. But now with this coming at Stacey, I'm just like...

49:47 no i don't like this i don't like you and i don't like i'm about to say my am for me for me it just comes down to the same thing that is bugging me about ashley is that neither giselle or ashley have anything to offer to the show other than getting in someone else's business and it's like give us something like we don't you don't have personal storylines yes yeah like Giselle's made up boyfriends too. She was not dating dude face from like summer house, winter house. I don't know what house it was. That was BS. She was not getting back together with Jamal. That was BS. stop it like pot meat kettle and she tries to ice out everyone and tries to like cast people i hate it like she tried to ice it i hate that wendy like you are not the casting director you're not the producer just be a good housewife because you can be a good housewife you can move story you're great but like don't try to move the pieces move the story not the pieces that's a good point You're right. I think you're experiencing like what I went through with Robin, like, and I think it was a season, Monique came in maybe, like where it was just like, it got very uncomfortable for me because I was like, I love her. What, what is she doing? Right, right. Yeah. Yeah.

51:07 I mean, I mean, I definitely love Giselle 10 times more without Robin right now. Like, I mean, I love Robin. You loved Robin. I thought Robin was great. Like, I just didn't like them. I didn't like them together. Because again, all they did was sit there and pile on other people and sit there and kind of just point out what everyone else was doing wrong. And then they themselves were doing worse, I feel. I feel the same way about her with Ashley. I wish she weren't so close with Ashley, to be honest, because something about Ashley just turns me off the way she lives for the drama. And she's like, she looks so happy to be fighting with people. I really don't like that. And so I think it brings out the mean girl in Giselle, which definitely exists within Giselle.

51:57 I won't. We enable each other. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Ashley learned a long time ago from a very zealous producer. Just like, just get messy. We love you when you're messy. And she just knows the messier she is, the more she gets paid. And I love that she leans into it. I love that you can just see the gears turning, but at the same time, it's like you, it's good to be messy and it's good to get in other people's business, but you need to give us more than just three years of getting divorced. The same way Robin needed to give us more than three years of getting married. Let's just give us. something different every season. And then when something actually did happen with Juan, she, you know, she kept it secret. So... I'll never get over that. Yeah, that was a mess. I just, I don't know. Like, Giselle needs to know that... if there were more of a balance with like her personality versus her being messy, I think it would be so much better because I do live for her like little one liners where she's like just poking the bear, but like, it doesn't have to be all of that.

53:04 You know, like we still like you as a person, even though you don't have your daughters anymore. You've run out of daughters. Now, what are you going to do? You know who I loved? It was Tia, the new girl. Oh, the Brits. Okay. Yeah. She was... We met her at the party. At the blooming party. Yes. Angel was the one we met first. I'm also a big fan of her. I think the two new housewives are going to be great. I do feel like the British one is 100 % going to be a one -season housewife, though. Something about her just feels like you're going to be a one -and -done. Yeah, I just feel like it's going to be so dramatic and fun. I can tell she just has that fire in her. I can see that. You feel like she's going to be one and done because she doesn't want to come back or just because she's just going to kind of be a dud of a kind of... Hang on, I wrote this down somewhere. Oh, okay. So this is our introduction to the other new housewife, Tia Glover. She's a luxury realtor and she's from London. So she'll be around for one season. It's just a vibe I got, I guess. I don't know. And I loved Angel.

54:19 I think she could really be like a staple. Almost like a Charisse replacement because unfortunately I feel like we're never going to get Charisse back. I love Charisse. But I really liked Angel. I thought she was so relatable and cute. And her eyes are hot. It doesn't hurt. She was very nice. Yes, they do seem very, very nice. They give me the same vibes that Monique and Chris Samuels gave me when they first came on the show, where it's like, look how great we are and how proper and how wonderful and lovely. And then I feel like we're going to see it eventually.

55:02 And I can't wait. I could tell Monique could fight from her first episode. So I agree, but yeah. You can see it. Yeah. Yeah. Was it the rapping? Is that how you figured it out? No, it's just her general demeanor and the way she gets so worked up about everything. Fair. I forgot about the rapping. Oh, my God. I loved the rap. I said, oh, she is Trina. Look at her. I also didn't know that I think I've said this on the podcast before. I didn't know that she and Chris Samuels were divorced until they dropped like the preview for this upcoming season. And I was like, I found out about you on our podcast. I heard it in the news too, because they're also on that love and marriage show per season. the Carlos King produces and then they went off that and then got divorced and so yeah do we know why was there tea there I don't know I hope she like rumors about her with her trainer oh which brings us back to Giselle and trying to say that that was happening and maybe one of those kids wasn't his see messy messy if she's right No, she's right. I mean, yeah, I'll go. I'll put a big plus in the Giselle column if she's right

56:34 on that. It's just the sort of thing. It's like Giselle always insinuates things. And I know that's a really horrible thing. You can't really just come out and prove and say, so I get why. But like, yeah, I just want I just want some concrete like something. Also, Giselle loves to like throw the rock and hide her hand. You know, like what? What do you mean? We're talking about. She does. I'm talking about. So we head over to Ashley's divorce party, and I like the idea of a divorce. Oh, please go ahead. I was going to say, aside from introducing Angel, I felt like it was, let's give a moment for Kiarna and Angel to rag on Wendy. Yes. Just that whole, for Angel to be like, yeah, I know Wendy, kind of. She's several years older than me. We went to college together, but you know, several, several years. Wendy has such a history of being like, I don't really know that person that if I knew Wendy and I were going on Potomac, I would pretend I didn't know her because I know that she would pretend she didn't know me. If that makes sense.

57:48 Yes. Yeah. I forgot about Mecca. Exactly. It's like, so I wondered if that was why, if she was like, yeah, I knew of her. She was like my big sister's roommate or whatever. I kind of understand why, because Wendy is very much like, I'm a doctor. run with the elites. I don't know who that woman is. Not in my circle. Remind me why Kiarna has beef with Wendy. I forget. She knows. I think they're friends, but Kiarna was upset because her med spa beauty lab situation was sponsoring an event. She told Wendy about it. Turns out Wendy was a speaker at the event. And didn't say that to Kiarna. And then also when Kiarna showed up to said event, Wendy didn't acknowledge her. Wendy was on stage. Wendy was on stage speaking.

58:55 Yes, that's what Kiarna leaves out. And she didn't go, oh, hi, baby. What do you want? I want to give a shout out to my girl Kiarna in the audience. I see you, girl. Hey, she's walking in late. That girl with the crown, that's my Kiarna. nice baby we so we're at ashley's uh divorce party and i i love the idea of a divorce party i think burn it to the ground i love i love divorce so happy for that when my ex and i broke up we were together for like eight or nine years almost and we were talking about like we should just have a divorce party and we always talk about it We never got around to doing it, mainly because once we stopped living together, we were like, oh, I don't want to see your face again. And you weren't married. And we weren't married, but we were gay men together for almost nine years. You only had one husband. No, you're my only husband and the only one I'll ever have.

59:54 I love it's a divorce party. And I love it for Ashley, too, especially since it is like a new era for her because. like andy cohen's asked nothing of her except where is your divorce for the past um sharisa got this party and i was so happy to see her yeah what were you gonna say you think we're gonna see ashley actually do some real dating this season are we still gonna get some weird love hotel rejects and stuff like that or or the what would they call the guy last year the the blonde oh the the young guy yeah um yeah anyway he's poor man something or another jack something jack it's all right yeah And then Stacey decides that she's going to be the bigger person and show up to support Ashley. And she needs to tell Ashley that. And I hated that. I didn't need it. But, I mean, good for her to show up. I mean, so many other housewives would not after that big fallout.

1:01:05 True. They'd be like, well, I'm not going to come support you. Why would I? You know, they'd make it about them. You think I'm a liar. I mean, not that Stacey didn't make it about her when she got there. Yeah. Who was that? I was glad she was there, not only for the mask. That's fair. You know. Stacey, or no, Wendy shows up looking incredible. Like, God almighty. That dress, it was like that pale blue, like, tufted thing. What was the dress? Like, all of it. Like, God. It was like the dress that Carrie wore like season six of Sex and the City in Paris where she just went to the bathroom and didn't leave the bedroom which is like because she's waiting for the Russian who never showed up and it was just like just for that scene she wore that dress.

1:01:56 It was a lot of dress and I liked it. Yes. But they're 100 % setting Wendy and Angel up to be rivals this season. Like the way that you saw them interacting like 100 % they are going to. fight this season. I hate that, because I love them both. They're much better fights to be had. Maybe it'll be a good arc, so by the end of the season, they'll be in a good place. Yeah, maybe. I think she and Kiana aren't long from this friendship. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Wendy tends to leave scores dirt, though. I don't think that they're gonna make up at the end of it. I don't know. I don't think it's gonna be an arc. It'll be interesting to see, for sure. I mean, I'll watch it either way. I love them. Together, we're separate. I think when Kiarna and Wendy were having that conversation, and Wendy was looking at her like, what are you saying? What are you doing? What are you trying to do? Why are you upset? She was really very puzzled of like, what's the issue?

1:03:03 Normally I'm not on Wendy's side of things. I just, I love her, but she's very like elitist to me. And she just rubs me the wrong way. But this time I could, because most of the time I'm like, you knew exactly what you were doing, girl. And you are pretending. And most of the time she'll get in the confessional and be like, yeah, I did that. But this time it seemed like she genuinely, it was like out of left field for her. Yes. Yes. I don't know. They obviously did not talk like in the in between seasons because she was just like, we have beef now. Not one of them spoke to each other. No. And then we close it out with we cut over to Giselle, Ashley and Stacey. And it's so incredibly awkward. And apparently Stacey's had bad breath the entire time she's been on the show. And that's my personal hell. Like if I had bad breath and like I found out on national television, I'd kill myself.

1:04:06 There's no way. That's really sad. As much as I kind of want that to be like a detail that is true. It's also just screams like just mean girl. Like I have nothing better to say other than your breath stinks. You stink. Yeah. Okay. Well, no, she actually did have something better to say because. it immediately escalates when uh stacy pulls ashley aside to ashley screaming with your size 11 feet gallop away oh my gosh what's happening out there get out of here with your size 11 shoes okay and did the actual gallop motion yeah and then um stacy pulled back to ashley by calling her the devil and i just know that when stacy said that i was like oh she thinks that's a real insult and she thinks that she's getting her and i i feel bad yeah yeah you're like you're like she might as well be oh fiddle sticks like that would be a good insult like on beverly hills they would never recover and talk about it for like 10 episodes oh my god it's like oh you call me the devil Was it Beverly Hills or is that just our old brunch conversation we'd have? Is it worse? Oh, it was on Beverly Hills. It was. Is it worse to be called the C word or to be called evil? And because on Beverly Hills, they were like really debating that. And most everyone we talked to is pretty much like call me evil all day long. I don't really care.

1:05:33 Like every other all the time. Honestly, I don't care. Neither one would really offend me, especially on the Real Housewives. Yeah. Like on Housewives, I expect some good compound insult. Like it better be like a string of eight different curse words strung together to make a new language. And then I might be offended. And calling her an imp because she's short. Come on, Stacey. An imp was already... Candice used the imp insult the best. Candice is the one who would like... Would really go in on Ashley and her forehead. Yeah. Missing Candace is one thing, but did any of us miss Mia on this episode? Nope. I forgot about Mia.

1:06:24 She's dead to me. They mentioned her very briefly. And they kept it moving. Yeah. Like I don't miss it at all. It was like one shot from the reunion and that was it. And it didn't have anything to do with her. It was about, you know, the whole Stacey TJ thing. She's happened to be there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I really wanted to love Mia, but then. She showed her true colors and I didn't like them. That's the thing. I wanted to love her and she's trash. She's trash, darling. Yeah. She's wonderful. And without Mia, we're not going to have a Jacqueline. So we'll be good.

1:07:08 A quick shot of Jacqueline and I'm like, oh, I guess no Jacqueline anymore. Because Jacqueline screwed herself. Jacqueline was just with Mia, didn't make friends with the other woman. Jacqueline hitched her horse to the wrong wagon. Yes. Yeah. She acted like a husband acts on Real Housewives. You know what I mean? How dare you kiss that woman? Yeah. I just forgot about them fucking, oh my god. Jesus god. It's not even like I think they have this weird lesbian relationship or anything that they were trying to hide. I don't think that. But she just was so protective and strange towards Mia. I don't know. Don't miss that. That was weird energy. The whole thing was weird. That entire season was weird, that'd be fair. Yeah. When they went to Miami and like they showered together. Yeah. And that was the beginning of the whole thing. Yeah. That was the most normal part of it, I would argue. And then her old husband was like, I'm mentally ill and that's why I'm mean. And I was like, okay.

1:08:28 Yeah. Real dark, real quick. Yeah. Like this is not, this is not. eye candy, brain candy anymore. Like this is too deep. I can't do it. Can I ask how much you're looking forward to Ashley Darby drag kinging again? I love that she does it and it happens, but I'm just like this is like your entire personality ends up becoming one episode of it. I'm fine. well and then in the trailer when she's like you know accusing she's in full drag king and she's accusing stacy of being weird and it's like ma 'am it's her yeah i love that very oxymoron her beard that's here's the thing about her drag king it's not Good. I've seen much better drag kings. If you're watching the Great British Bake Off, they have a drag king on there. She kills it. I don't know if you do that for drag kings like you do for queens. Kills it. I don't want to shit on her. Expression.

1:09:50 I'll shit on that art because that's not art. I just want to shit on her expression and also her allyship of sorts. Well, she's a member of the community. She's bisexual. And I love that she's showing that on this show. And I want her to keep singing and drag king -ing. I think, if any, this is going to sound so mean, but there's no other way to say it. I think it's inspiring to watch someone who's not the best at their craft persevere. That's why we keep doing the podcast. No, we podcast. We all podcast better than Ashley sings. To issue a public apology for a performance is insane. See, poor Roberta Flack. Rest in peace. That just. Killing me softly indeed. And on that note, they're about to put me out of this study room at school, so we should probably close this out. But I love this, you guys. I want to do this for the Beverly Hills premiere. I want to do it for all the premieres.

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