Kesha changed Travis's life after three ER visits.

0:12 Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie Approved. What's the last song you listened to? Oh yeah, hold on. Aw, it was open to Bestie Approved. Hold on. I believe. Oh, I know the last song I listened to. It was on TikTok. It was a performance of King for a Day by Pierce the Veil. And they brought out Kellen Quinn. It was like the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And I would have lost my mind if I were there. I love that. It was beautiful. Mine was Red Flag by Kesha. I love that. Are we on? to Kesha like are you in a Kesha only state after her concert um yeah yeah I think so um yes we are in a very Kesha place now that I've seen her my life has been changed for the better I'm so happy for you so um for everyone out there I went and saw Kesha on Friday and it was the best night of my life I So FaceTime lets you leave voicemails now.

1:22 And Emma received a FaceTime voicemail from me at, what, 2 o 'clock in the morning of me literally crying. And my voice was shot to hell. And I was just in a state of euphoria. And I was just like, she's in such a good place. I'm so happy for her. I love her so much. And I was just really happy to be there. It was really good. And let me just tell you, Kesha puts on a... fucking show oh yeah i think she did even when she was like being tortured yes like she like she came out and she talked about how like she's happy when she's performing and like this is what she like this is why she does it and i oh my god it was so good she doesn't know how not to serve no to be honest not a clue not a clue when it comes to being demure That's beautiful. While we're here, should we talk about the day before you went to Kesha? Why not? So the day before I went to Kesha, Emma and I had what can only be described as medical adventures. Well, I guess.

2:38 Travis called me. While I was getting in the car to go to the emergency room, and his ass was in the emergency room. I could not believe my eyes. Well, so you'd already been to the emergency room once that day before I had called you. Yeah, I was going back. Right. Yeah. So, do you want to start with yours or do you want to start with mine? We can go in chronological order. Okay, go for it. So, I was having... minor things go on with the pregnancy nothing crazy but it happened for like a few days and so I messaged my OB and I was like hey I really just need you to tell me that this is all normal and fine blah blah blah to which they called me and said please go to the ER and I said okay and while we're on that that has to be the most terrifying fucking thing an ob -gyn can say to someone right because when you're pregnant everything is like it could be that you're losing the pregnancy or it could be nothing everything every single little thing every single little thing is like that and so yeah i was terrified and i they were like okay so which er are you gonna go to and i was like well if it doesn't matter i'm just gonna go to the one closest to my house So I do that. They get there, they tell me, what's the most important

4:10 thing? Or they ask me, what's the most important thing for you today? And I was like, I just want... What? What? Yes. Yeah, they said, what do you need from us, basically? And so what I thought was happening is that I thought I was having an amniotic fluid leak. So I tell them, upon arrival... I want to make sure I'm not leaking amniotic fluid. It's like the stuff the baby is surrounded in in my uterus, right? Right, right, right, right. And they go, okay, great. We're going to test to see if you have a yeast infection, BV, or UTI. And then once those are all back, we're going to tell you we don't have labor and delivery here and we cannot test to see if you are leaking amniotic fluid. So you should probably call your OB and tell her that we can't run that test, even though we just kept you here for two hours for no reason. So I do that. And the OB on call, because at this point, it's like 530 in the evening. The OB on call is like. I hate to tell you this, but you're going to have to go to our emergency room so they can run that test. I don't know why they thought it was appropriate to even keep you there, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, okay, I'll do

5:42 that. And I did that and everything is fine, right? But on my way there is when I called Travis and he's in the emergency room. Cut to Travis. So... So mine is... A little more. A little more fuzzy than Emma's, so I. Oh, oh, because you were unconscious. Yes. OK, so I was at school. I was on campus doing homework and then I had an interview with another podcast who it's called.

6:23 This might get messy. You'll hear about it in a in a couple of weeks. But I was like, I have to pee before I get in my car. And I wasn't going anywhere special. I wasn't doing anything special. It was completely normal. And I would actually argue it was a chiller than normal day because I had not had four Alani News that day. So true. So I go to the bathroom. I have to pee. And I very vividly remember standing at a urinal. And the next thing I know, I wake up in the floor of the bathroom, dick out. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Yeah. And I was just like, what the fuck happened? And all I could feel was my head hurting. And for a second there, I was like, did someone come up and hit me in the back of the head? That's all I could think.

7:19 And that didn't happen, obviously. I just passed out. I was like, let me gather my things because like I, my phone had like flown across the room. My beats were like in two separate places. Like it was the most bizarre situation. I was like, okay, let me, let me just get my shit together and like get in the car. And then I received a start walking to the car and I was like, God, I. am in pain and then i proceed to like feel the back of my head and i like look at my hand and i was like oh i busted my head open yeah and so i was like okay let me go to the closest hospital which is for for everyone keeping track is eskenazi hospital That is the stroke hospital.

8:13 Where I went for my stroke. And this is now the second time I've gone into that hospital and I've been like, hey, I don't know what happened, but can we just take a look under the hood and see what's going on? And this is the second time I've gone to that hospital and they've been like, please get in a wheelchair now. Yeah, I don't think they play around with head trauma. Also, when I went to the second ER, they put me in a wheelchair. I was like, Mama, I was just eating Chick -fil -A in your parking lot. Right. I'm fine. Right. So, at this point, I think I called Emma already just because I just needed to talk to her. Oh, yeah, and I called you back. Yes.

8:58 Because I think you called me when I was in the first ER. I think so. yeah and then yeah so like the long and short of it is they don't really know what happened i have to follow up with my doctor like whatever and they stapled my head shut cut to emma being on the phone with me and i was being like ha ha ha we're in the hospital how funny yeah so fucking chaotic okay now it's back to you no everything turned out fine they like ran a bunch of tests while i was there they wouldn't let me leave until one of the tests came back Because if it is, like, a fluid leak, they need to monitor you and, like, see what's happening inside. La -di -da -di -da. But that does kind of lead me into the pregnancy update for this week. I am 19. I'm sorry. I'm 20 weeks today. That is wild. We had the anatomy scan yesterday. The baby. is measuring two weeks bigger than it's supposed to be. My app says he should be around 10 ounces. He is 15. Wait, so he's 50 % larger than he's supposed to be. Right.

10:10 Him's a thick little boy. Him's a thick little boy. There's like a million things that can lead to that. They say it's like... Um, if you have gestational diabetes, which obviously I've been making myself anxious about, but also like babies don't grow in a linear way. They have like growth spurts. And so he could have just gone through a growth spurt. A lot of babies average out like towards the end of pregnancy. Not the biggest deal, but he's huge. They saw him. kicking and wiggling and being crazy which was so validating for me because i feel him all the time like all the time constantly and i didn't have that with jack he is just they were like definitely a wiggle worm i was like yeah yeah i love that he had his hands like up to his face like he was gonna box somebody it was great he's healthy everything's fine um yeah Nothing too crazy. My app says he's the size of a sweet potato, but if he's measuring 22 weeks, he's actually the size of a papaya.

11:19 A papaya. Papaya. I can't believe he's almost a pound. It's crazy. Yeah, that is wild. Yeah. Also, I was reading up on this so much yesterday. A lot of people have said that the estimates you get from... an ultrasound for weight are a lot of times just like wrong like dead wrong like i saw some lady on reddit who was like they told me i was gonna have an 11 pound baby and they came out under seven pounds i i'm gonna be real with you because you know i know nothing of the nature of a baby i guess in my mind they they like weighed you at the beginning of your pregnancy and then they like just started weighing you as you went on and that's just how they estimated the weight of the baby like that's just how i assumed it worked well i can't do that because like number one you're putting on weight but even besides that you grow the amniotic sac you have all the amniotic fluid so it weighs more than what the baby would yeah okay that's fair i see i don't know so much extra stuff on top of the baby Yeah. The sack that he's floating in, you know? Yeah, yeah. That, like, holds weight.

12:40 So... Yeah, I guess that's why. Well... Yeah, now we know. Now we know. Hi, little papaya. Papaya. I love that. He is in there going crazy, going stupid. Every time I lay down, I'm like, okay. Also, he's breech. What is that? Which means... So, like... When a baby is being born, they're supposed to have their head down, right? So the head comes out first. He's feet down right now. So he's just kicking me right in the cervix. Is that, like, incredibly painful? No. I have, like, pressure in my pelvis. Like, I can feel it. It feels like someone kicked me in the gooch or something. But, I mean, it's not. Crazy. Yeah.

13:37 I don't like that. And you can like feel where he is now. Like most of my stomach feels normal except for where the baby is. It feels hard. You can feel him in there. Really? I had Kenny feel him for the first time last night and he went. That's the first time he's felt the baby. That's wild to me. Yeah. Do you know what I just realized? This is our 10th episode. Right. 10. episode in the double digits baby that is insane i know it is i love that um what's next so we've got i put a lot on the on the list this week actually well while we're doing announcements and updates we could talk about the podcast movement 2025 okay yeah so um at the very beginning of this little journey i and emma's been incredibly good at like kind of reeling me in with some of this where it's like i will want to be the best at everything and like i want to be the next like sexy unique podcast or the next brav bros or the next like the next last did you watch the cultural awards by the way yes can we talk about that for a second did you see the video with Her name is escaping me. Jamie Lee Curtis?

14:59 Yes. I always want to say Jamie Lynn Spears, which is not bad. No, not her. Different Jamie. Worse Jamie. Well, Jamie Lee Curtis is the better Jamie. Right. Let's establish that right now. But that video of her telling them to, like, rein themselves in at their own fucking award show. Like, who do you fucking think you are? I think Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the funniest people on God's green earth. And like, I'll give her a pass on that. I think she's so funny. I don't. I don't. I think that she's funny most of the time, but I feel like we just saw the real her. Okay. That's fair. Like having their moment and you're telling them they need to bring it down a notch. Fuck you. Okay. That was, I really did not appreciate that. Fair. At all.

15:49 Anyway. Anyway. But, like, in my mind, I was like, I want to be the next Alex. Call her daddy. What is Alex's? Alex Cooper. I want to be the next Alex Cooper. And Emma's been like, let's just get really good at, like, one thing at a time. Yeah. And so it's been, let's get really, really good at. being comfortable on a microphone well that and like the audio and like that of all of it which is i think we've i think we've come an extremely long way by the way yeah there's always room for improvement i'm i'm talking about myself not you no i think yeah no i think we've both done incredible i think you started off much more comfortable than i was because i was just like i don't know how to like talk and shit on a microphone oh i just never given a fuck but that being said in the very beginning of all this i filled out an application to go to the podcast movement conference in dallas and they gave us well they gave both of us free tickets to go um but emma's got baby august and then the next day is jack's birthday and everything so i'm going to that yeah i wish i could go i think we'd have we'll go next year it'll be yeah it'll be the second week of jack in first grade and i would get back like on his birthday it's just a whole thing Anyway. I'm so excited, though.

17:16 I think it's going to be so cool. If anyone's listening that's going to be there, let me know. We could guest swap. Speaking of which, someone commented on our Spotify. You can literally let us know things. Hello. Yes. We got our first comment ever on Spotify. Hang on. I'm going to go to it. I'm going to read it. This man's name is Jordan. I haven't forgotten his name. But we don't know him, right? Like, you don't know him. No, I have no idea who this guy is. But I know that I love him. And I'll kiss him right on the mouth. I know. I want to send him my life savings. Thank you. So Jordan, a week ago, commented on one of our episodes on Spotify. He said, everyone needs a Travis and Emma in their life. love the podcast guys keep it up and my god like i read that and that made my entire day like i can't even tell you that was the coolest thing he could have just said like one word and i still would have been like but but it was so sweet it's so cool so thank you so much jordan and listen if anyone on god's green earth is willing to comment on our little podcast We're going to shout you out. Just know that. We're going to shout you out. We're going to embarrass you. Just say it.

18:29 Say whatever you want. I don't even care if it's mean. Say it. Be mean to us. We love mean people. Constructive criticism makes the world go round. Hello. Thank you so much, Jordan. That was really, really, really cool of you. That was... This is the thing. Emma and I don't think that we're out here like... changing lives we don't think we're doing hard -hitting journalism by any stretch of the imagination we're two idiots on the internet with microphones because that's what the world needed i don't have a bulletproof vest mama we're just talking no and the fact that someone like recognized a like this is two friends just talking and that this is entertaining to them that was really fucking cool i'm I'm so happy about that.

19:22 How nice. What's next? Oh, the Hollister Vintage Collection. Have you seen this on TikTok? Oh, vaguely. So I looked it up. Are they just like bringing back what they were putting out in 2012? 2009 is where it's really thrown back to. I recognize some of the outfits from. when i worked there and that was really really really hard for me to unpack i hate that we've lost okay so technically for something to be vintage send us an email comment tell me if i'm wrong but i've always been told for something to be vintage it has to be more than 50 years old for something to be antique it has to be more than 100 years old so they're not we're really stretching what vintage means and Hollister's not the first one to do this all the TikTok and fashion girlies who like go thrifting and stuff love to call things vintage from the early 2000s that's not vintage so I what you're describing is what vintage used to be and this this comes back to the conversation we had when we were talking about Anna Wintour where like fast fashion trends don't last for a year anymore right like because it like they it used to go in cycles where it was like i the last time i really remember this happening was probably 2012 2013 where things moved in cyclical

20:53 trends and now it is like something matters for like a week or two or like a month whatever and then it's on to the next thing i think this is the result of that because what you're describing the vintage the antique thing absolutely used to be a rule i don't think it's a rule anymore so why can we just change the definition of things i would like some input on that because we're back to bootcut jeans mama can i just tell you a secret I never departed from bootcut jeans. It has always been the Aiden bootcut jean from Buckle. That is the only jean I have worn for probably 15 years. I do think that bootcut jeans look much better on men than they do on women.

21:39 You know what I'm talking about with women? Yeah, it's Denise Richards is what you're describing. Denise Richards in a pair of bootcut jeans. And I think she is so cunt in them because it reminds me of... Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears in like 2005, 2006. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I think a woman looks incredible. Here's the thing. I think a woman and a guy, they all look incredible in whatever the fuck they want to wear. What are you? I think that's kind. Emma just showed me a picture of a woman in book cut jeans. I want everyone to wear exactly what they want to wear. I want everyone to feel comfortable and confident. i just maybe it's because i was like 14 wearing bootcut jeans and i just hated myself but i don't understand i just don't understand and maybe it's because i'm so old i'm pushing 30 and so i'm seeing trends come back from my childhood where i'm like oh no that's that's how i felt when like they started talking about the hollister vintage collection where but I think the problem that I'm having with it is Hollister is the one bringing it back.

22:49 It's not the girls on TikTok. It is Hollister saying, I know what we're going to dip into the archives here. From, like, the applique t -shirts and the, like... The red bird. Yeah, the whole thing. And I'm like... I can't be this old. I have PTSD. I can't. Sorry. I just... I don't know. And like, are they ever going to acknowledge how problematic they were in that era? Are they ever going to own up to that? No, I don't think they will. But what I wish they would bring back, and this is a deep cut for anyone who is, you probably have to be over the age of what I like to pretend is 27, but you have to be over 30 to actually remember this. There was a brand called Rule. It was, I think they had like maybe 30 stores total. And it was the high -end line from Abercrombie & Fitch. And it was the best clothes. It was all the same thing. Like Abercrombie Hollister and Rule all sold the exact same thing, but they just put a different price tag and a different logo on it. I want them to bring back Rule so fucking bad. Like, that's what I want.

24:09 If we're going to bring back anything from 2009, 2010, that's what I want back. I just feel like we don't have the aesthetic for it anymore. People aren't spraying too much cologne in their stores. I don't know. People aren't, like, starving themselves to be a size zero, which is great, by the way. But, like, why can't we do something new? Have you seen them bringing back, like, have you seen them talking about, I think it's called vanity sizing where what they're doing now is like, they're actually putting zero double zero on jeans that are like a two or a three, because there was a girl on Tik TOK. When I like looked up Hollister vintage collection, she put her double zero jeans from high school next to double zero jeans from like today at Hollister. And they are not the same size. And I, I knew they were doing that like intuitively. Like I, Could just tell. Because I grew up in that era where, like, I knew what I couldn't fit into. And now I look at some of those sizes and I'm like, mmm.

25:18 Like, especially when I got skinny a few years ago, I was wearing, like, a six. And I was like, I'm not as skinny as I was in high school. Like, someone's lying. I knew. I knew. Wait, so which one? Is it the 2009 jeans that are lying or the jeans today that are lying? I don't know. I think if we had some kind of... Because here's the other thing, is that girls are expected to wear skin -tight jeans. Because number one, they look cunty. Let's be so honest. Oh, yeah. But number two, misogyny. Whatever. Okay. Right? However, it was always, and still is... It was always true that you didn't wear the same size at like American Eagle, that you did at Hollister, that you did at Abercrombie. Like there wasn't really like a hard and fast measurement where like if your hips are this measurement and your waist is this measurement and your inseam is this, then you wear this size. It was like, that's true for each brand, but the numbers are different.

26:29 Well, it was true for guys, though. That was the fucked up part. Yeah. Which is, I was always, always, always, always a 30 Abercrombie Hollister anywhere I went. Because it means 30 inches. Right. Right. That's not true for women. That is so fucked up, though, because like... And now looking back on it, I very vividly remember these girls coming in into the fitting rooms at Abercrombie at Circle Center Mall being so excited that they could finally fit into a double zero. And Jesus Christ, now that I'm saying that out loud, I'm like, oh, we were the problem. 100%. 100%. And so it's always been true that you're a different size for different brands.

27:15 Speaking only for women, obviously. You're a different size for different brands because the measurements aren't a hard and fast rule. And so they can go in and change that whenever they want. And I think a lot of people have done the vanity sizing thing where... they've changed the hip circumference and waist circumference to be a little bit bigger for each size so that you can fit in a double zero or a zero or two or whatever see that's and that's where i'm conflicted and you know who i would really like to have on to talk about this is the people that host it's about bravo because they are stylists and they work in fashion and they've styled some of the real housewives for reunions before i'm like i would like to unpack this a little bit because like i don't know if i feel good like oh you're like Not making someone feel like ashamed for not being a double zero and you're still calling it a double zero. Or are we saying like, oh, you can only be good enough if you're a double zero. I don't know where I fall on that. I think we should change the measurements in general.

28:26 Because here's the thing. If it were like how it is for men and we were just. saying our waist size and our inseam it would make shopping so much easier it would make things easier to buy online it would make everything a lot easier if we would just change to that but we won't well the buckle does that the buckle like you go in and i because i've gone in with bailey before and she's like i mean bailey like has never had a problem in her life she's always been skinny and like the prettiest of all six of bailey's my cousin and she's always been the prettiest of the six grandkids and we all hate her but yeah not really i love her to death but like she's never been ugly a day in her life so she goes in and she's like yeah i'm a 26 and i'm like yeah it must be nice they do have that some places but it's not the rule it's the exception for sure you know who we should have on the podcast to talk about this too who stacy london i would like to pick her brain i love stacy london me too i think she's so cool yeah and i would like to know what she has to say about sizing because even back when what not to wear was on television and the height of the ed epidemic and all of that she always said she was like very empowering now that i think about it she was always like you need clothes that fit you yeah if you get clothes that are too small you are not accomplishing

29:57 what you think you're accomplishing right you need to just get the size that fits you I would love to pick her brain. Stacey London? Stacey London, if you're listening, if anyone knows Stacey London, please bring her on Bestie Approved. Stacey London, you are Bestie Approved. 100%. What else? What else is on the list? We have the man who is lonely of his own accord because he thinks women shouldn't subscribe to the Me Too movement. This little boy gets up on TikTok and he goes, fellas, if you know a girl that is in the Me Too movement or is empowered or like whatever. Is a feminist at all. Yes. Make sure you friend zone her. Make sure that you don't get in a relationship with her. Basically saying you need a woman to be subservient to you and to follow you and to never speak out of turn. And Jesus Christ in heaven. It is conflicting to me, to be honest with you. Not the point that he's making. Obviously, he's a garbage man. But I'm conflicted on it because part of me is like, yeah, if you think that way, you should leave women the fuck alone. Like, I want you to friend zone every woman because I don't think they should want to be with you. That. But also, I'm sure

31:31 that's the same type of guy who's like, male loneliness epidemic, midwomen think they can get hot guys now. It's because you think this way. Shut up. Here's what I want to explain to everyone. If you are in a relationship that works for you, one of my cousins is like this, where she's doing the trad wife thing, and she is... not into feminism and that's hard for me but like i can't tell anyone else how to be no whatever like i feel what you feel and your feelings are real and don't push your feelings on other people is the biggest point But for someone to be so comfortable getting on the internet and saying with their whole chest, no, women shouldn't be feminists and they should all be friends. Okay, then you know what? More for the guys that are not assholes. More for guys like Thor and Bradley who are intimidated by a strong woman. Like, go fuck yourself. Like, Jesus God. It is this toxic masculinity thing where I'm just like, yeah, men don't deserve rights. Like, let's just...

32:44 Yeah, and part of me wants to, like, not correct them. Because, like, if you feel that way and you think that way, then yes, please stay the fuck out of women's way. Like, please don't bother them. Right. Like, if you hate them so much, I kind of want you to continue to hate them. Well, and that's the thing is, like, do you actually hate women? Like, because that's all it can be in my mind. You hate women. A hundred percent. That's what it is. I think it's also like a lot of, it's sort of like a prejudice thing where like they're not even willing to recognize their own prejudice and like work through that. They just think they're correct. It's a lot of my feelings are facts. It's that. And do you want to know what else I think a big part of it is?

33:37 The church. Yeah, I can see that. Because. growing up in the nazarene church women are told they are not get yourself a man well it's it's you're told you need to find a man you're told you need to find a husband you're told that like you know your only value in life is that of being a mother of being a wife of being the keeper of a home and if that's the life you want to live i won't tell anyone they shouldn't live that but i don't i have a problem with indoctrinating entire groups of women and then furthermore entire groups of men into believing that that is a woman's place in the world i think that's so sick i think the rhetoric like the message isn't isn't i mean whatever if it's not for you it's not for you if it's for you then it's for you but the rhetoric of how they explain themselves is troublesome to me because the one that rings in my mind is them saying well even if you do have this big wig job and a successful career and a social life to be proud of and all of this still the most important thing you'll ever do is be a mother shut the fuck up i've heard that so many times and it's like come on like it is raising children

35:09 important yes we are seeing the repercussions as to why because you have fuckers like this on tiktok if your 16 year old starts talking like this guy is talking on tiktok you need to sit him down and say hey you don't think that way about women he was never corrected by his parents and so yes motherhood is important in that sense where you need to be involved with your kids and you need to teach them what is correct. However, I think if you're a CEO and you hire a nanny, that does not make you a failure as a woman. No. Like, what? Do you know who's actually really, really good at talking about this? Jennifer and Angie from I've Had It. They're very, very good at explaining this stuff to their kids. Because I think they both only have sons.

36:08 I'm pretty sure they only have sons. I could be completely wrong. But I know both of them have sons. And they're like, you will not act like this. Just know that. Right. And so I guess the point I'm making is that motherhood is important in that sense of you are responsible for raising children who become adults. with empathy and compassion and can understand people from different walks of life and all of that yes right is it the most important thing you'll ever do not necessarily but if it is for you there's nothing wrong with it but i think the problem with that the idea around the most important thing a woman can do is be a mother then like what are you going to do with all like the the women out there that can't have kids what are you gonna do with devastating to them right well i had a similar experience when i was breastfeeding like so jack is two weeks old his dad gets in a car accident i'm stressed out my body is responding to that and i like stopped producing enough milk to feed jack so like we had to switch to formula right and i beat myself up because i was like you're built to do that you are literally built to nourish a baby blah blah that is insane like that is the most insane way to think and yeah i think most women think that way to some extent i think

37:39 that's so fucked up yeah it's like what is a man doing I'm trying to think. I'm a man, and I don't know what we're doing. I'm saying, like, a man's not ever going to beat himself up for being infertile. He's going to be like, oh, man. Darn it. But he's not going to, like, cry over it for two weeks. Oh, man. Darn it. He's not going to, like, you know what I mean? I do. It's just, like, the onus is so on women, and we just let men go golf or whatever. I don't understand it. oh we need to do better do you have anything to complain about today yeah oh oh you go first because i just saw what's on your list i'm gonna start this off by saying congratulations to trisha paytas on your third child i think that's beautiful also thank you for bringing ozzy osbourne back into the world apparently yeah i listen From what I've seen, which is not a lot because I will not watch Trisha Paytas. I'm about to get into it. She seems like an excellent mother.

38:48 Oh, yeah. I think she's probably an incredible mother. She's a completely different personality than she is online. I'll give her that, probably. 100%. I think her daughters and now her son are in very good hands. However, the way the internet is willing to just forget. Everything she did up to this point and give her millions and millions and millions of views and likes and dollars is dumbfounding to me. Have we forgotten how problematic this woman is? Like, wow. Wow. So this is, it's funny that you bring Trisha Paytas up because Brittany, the girl that I went to the Kesha concert with, really loves Trisha Paytas. My first question whenever I hear someone really loves Trisha Paytas is, are you aware of all the things she has done and said? I'm not. I'm going to be super real with you. I don't know what she's... I don't even really want to get into it. Okay. But she...

40:06 She's had a very problematic past. And most recently, being affiliated with Ethan Klein in the H3 podcast. That's the one that she quit in the middle of, though, right? Yes. I don't know if I know who Ethan Klein is, though. I'm going to be super real with you. So, Ethan Klein is a Zionist. Oh, he's the guy that's always fighting with Hasan Piker. Yeah, his wife was in the idea of all of that. He's straight. Mm -hmm. Isn't that shocking? I know. Oh. And they have the color -blocked clothing that's super ugly and all of that. Yeah. I was under the impression that Trisha Paytas had a podcast with a gay man. I did not know. No. No, he's straight. He's just... And by the way, on their podcast, I can't believe I'm defending Trisha Paytas while I'm complaining about her, but he was mean to her. i remember seeing clips on tiktok where she would start crying and i was like this like i i swear to god i thought it was all an act and like i thought it was like they they turned the mics off and it was like you and me i swear to god that's what i thought it was her saying has always been and maybe this is why she's rubbed me the wrong way and so like all of the problematic shit that she's done just like lives rent free in my brain she does she is very She leans into being stupid, like a dumb blonde. I think that's where I have

41:37 a hard time with her, because I'm like, I know you're not this dumb. I know you are not dumb. You can't be. And if you are, get off the internet. She just has very much rubbed me the wrong way. I really don't like when women lean into just being stupid. There are ways... Listen, I'm a little stupid. No, no, no, no. I was going to say, we know someone who... yeah that we used to work with that her entire personality was pink but it's and it's like the baby voice of it all yes i hate that oh my god now that you're saying this out loud that person and trisha paytas are incredibly similar yeah they kind of are okay so like one problematic thing she's done that's not very polarizing it's just like weird she pretended to be john benet ramsey the little girl who was murdered what yeah she like made a video pretending to be her it was very weird do people believe it no no no, no. Like, she pretended to be her and then pretended to, like, get beat up by her dad or something like that.

42:44 It was so weird. It's so weird. And this is, like, at least 10 years ago. But, yeah. It's been weird from the start. And she was married at one point to, or not married, but, like, seriously dating Jason Nash, who's, like, affiliated with David Dobrik, and that's a whole thing. And, like, I don't, I don't know. I just, her fans I feel like just come out of the woodwork and I'm just I don't know like if you like it I guess go for it but I feel like a lot of people because I see young lots of people like younger than me being fans of trisha paytas and i'm like do you know what you're even subscribing to like are you even aware of what you're affiliating yourself with that's just how i feel anyway done complaining about trisha again congratulations on your son i'm sure you're a wonderful mother i'm more complaining that the public's perception of you does not feel accurate Do you think people actually believe that Trisha Paytas' babies are the second comings of whoever these people are?

43:57 Because it was the Pope, it was Queen Elizabeth, and now it's Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah. And they're saying, because, and listen, the baby's name is Aquaman. I wasn't even going to say anything about the name. I'll let you have that one, Trisha. Honestly, it would have almost been better if the first name was Aqua, and then you gave him two middle names, and the first one was Man. I think Aqua's a really cool first name, if I'm being honest. That's what I'm saying. I would have liked that a lot better. Anyway, okay, so there's that. There is that. I'm complaining today, ladies and gentlemen, about the Heritage Foundation. So, and I, I eventually want to do a research or let's research mama on these fucks.

44:48 But I saw on Tik TOK, the heritage foundation had been sharing out in there. I don't know if it was their newsletter or whatever. It was just, it was something that just popped up on my Tik TOK where they're saying here are five ways to what prove your, um, your like your estate plan. Yeah. And I was like, I want to know what these five woke proof ways are. So you if you Google it, it takes you to like it's not a paywall, but it's a thing where you have to subscribe to it. I had to create a burner email just to like get my hands on this thing. I've talked about how people are using the word woke now already. I'm already like angry. Are you reading it? yeah i mean i i've already read it before today but i'm like the way people are using woke is so backwards to how the term was like initiated yeah and so i feel like it's it's like just a buzzword it is that's all it is but the woke proof ways are basically like and i i i'm not even gonna open the the or like the little booklet they send out but basically from what i did read it was find the most racist lawyer you can find basically who is down with you being a racist and wouldn't you know what another one of the

46:19 ways is to donate to the heritage foundation yeah keep the donor in a donor advice fund is what it says like go fuck yourself and here's i don't know how those work that's money you're not getting back you have to donate that money mama yes you have to donate that money yes so like and when you die you know what's woke not getting your inheritance well the donor advised fund thing like i as part of an estate plan i get it sure but it's like It should be last on your list, right? Like if you're me. It should be the very last thing that your money goes into.

47:02 It's like if you have nowhere else to leave your money. Then of course donate it. But like shouldn't you make sure your children and people you loved are taken care of first? Not according to the Heritage Foundation. No. But this is the fucked up thing is what do you think people are using? for because I did digging on this. I went and I like actually did a little bit of Let's Research Mama and I found a subreddit and the subreddit pointed me to middle class finance where people talked about what they use inheritances for and let me just tell you when we're talking about inheritance people are not receiving millions and millions and millions of dollars in inheritances.

47:50 Not the average person, no. It is so rare that that's happening. Right. We're not the Rothschilds. No. And so just a couple of examples. One user said he used $250 from his inheritance to buy a puppy that turned into 16 years of companionship. One user said, I received about $20 ,000 from my grandmother and it was the buffer that I needed to purchase a house. A lot of people said they cleared up debt. Several comments mentioned saving for college and investing for like rainy days or whatever. And then some said I got nothing. And it motivated me to be self -made. And the fucked up thing is like you are so obsessed, Heritage Foundation, with this idea. That America needs to be straight white men with wives that are in the kitchen barefoot with a baby on their hip. And that is your ideal vision of the United States and furthermore, probably the world. And you are willing to say. To these people that actually subscribe to some some of your beliefs or all of them, whatever you need to after you die, after you are dead in the ground, your legacy needs to be as rotten as it can be. And to say,

49:21 go fuck yourself to the kids that did not get on board with your fucking vision of the world. And you can go fuck yourself for that. Like that pisses me off. A hundred percent. So. A big lesson I learned from our time in finance is that you should never rely on an inheritance, right? Never. You should never rely on, oh, well, my grandpa's going to die one day and I'm going to get a million bucks. You should never rely on that. However, that doesn't mean that you should go about your life waiting to screw over your own family. Right. That's not what that means. While I say that out loud, you shouldn't be reliant on an inheritance.

50:08 However, no one's taking advantage of an inheritance. No. That's something you have a right to. It's not a privilege. It's a right. It was written down, intended for you. Right. You can't take advantage of that. So even if you get grandma's money and you decide to go to Bora Bora and have yourself a time, that's fine. Right. You're not taking advantage of your grandma. Well, and this is the other thing, too. Actually, I don't know if you are aware of this. If, God forbid, something happens to me, you, Jackie, and my brother get everything. It's divided up three ways between the three of you guys. That's just how it's written in my will. And if, God forbid, anything happens to Zachary before I'm gone, my niece and nephew get Zachary's share of everything. Yeah. let me just go on record right now and say i don't give a fuck what you do with the money i like it's not my money anymore i don't think anyone should yeah like okay the house that we're recording in right now is in jack's name right if he turns 21 or whatever the age is where it turns completely into his and he decides to sell it so that he can fund some independently made movie or something that crashes and burns that is none of my business i'll go watch the movie i like it's so weird

51:38 like i don't know when we got to this age of giving people gifts or inheritance with strings attached with strings attached you don't get to say oh i got you this cool toy you can only play with it like this like that's so weird That's so weird. Right. And that's literally what the Heritage Foundation is encouraging people to do. It's saying, no, we'd rather you give money to us rather than giving money to your kids because you don't know what woke things they're going to use it for. Tell me what woke thing you're worried about. Are you worried that they're going to use the money to donate to Zoran Mamdani's election fund? By the way, with the donor advice fund, you could if you wanted to. You should.

52:26 yeah i love that i don't know they're worried they're gonna get the kids are gonna get the money and transition into their real selves or but like lead happier lives in general the fact that they are so obsessed with being so afraid of the world it makes no fucking sense to me like these people are literally the authors of project 2025 that want to send america back to a place where people of color can't drink from the same water fountains as us and i'm just like what the fuck like why why why why why why are you so obsessed with the way people live their lives because they because those white men don't feel like they are winning anymore i don't fear is the answer but i don't understand why they feel like they need to win or why they can't find their wins within their own lives they need it handed to them but that's the thing is like i don't i don't like and we've talked about this before i don't like this idea that life is a zero -sum game yeah i if If I'm successful, you can't be. And if you're successful, I can't be.

53:41 Like that makes no fucking sense to me because the whole idea of the American dream, like what it was all founded on is if you show up and you work hard and you do the right thing, everything's going to work out. Are you ready for reality roundup? I am. Let's do it. Okay. So we're talking about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion. So we open with a prayer led by Zach. And then the girls all start showing up. Whitney's lost a ton of weight. Yeah, I think she looks amazing. She looks incredible. She looks so good. She really does. I don't know how some people snap back like that. It's amazing. Yeah, she looks incredible. I guess it has been a significant amount of time since filming, but she looks amazing.

54:37 Yeah. We find out that it was Dakota's first time wearing a suit, and I was not shocked to hear that in the least. Of course it is, Dakota. God, that's just great. And he was wearing a full -blown three -piece. Yeah, he did not look comfortable. He looked like if you put a suit on a pillow. Whitney FaceTimes Demi. We find out that Demi's not going to the reunion because she's going to Disneyland. Shocking, shocking, shocking. I don't buy for a second this whole story that they try to spin where she says she already had a family vacation planned out. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. You knew you were going to be torn to shreds and you are just holding on to that spot by the skin of your teeth. Listen.

55:28 We'll get into it. We will get into this. So, the next thing. What I'm about to say, I have found, is a little bit controversial. Nick Viall is the one hosting, and I personally loved the choice because I think Nick does a really good job on his podcast, and I also think he is cute. He's hot. Yeah. I do think you could tell it was his first time hosting something like that, though. Oh, yeah, 100%. Like, I mean, he's not Andy Cohen. No, but I think one day he could be, you know. Sure. Like, if he kept in this kind of circuit and did more things like this, I can see him, like, really blowing up. yes because he's hot and he's funny and he's cute and he also like was very no bullshit he was like um the question that was asked was this well that and i think he does a very good job on his podcast of doing that of like he does hold people people to the fire like well when we start recapping real house as a salt lake city we'll get into him with monica garcia because that was a wild ride of an interview but Yeah, I think I like him. What's the controversy? People don't like him. For what? Because they say he is a fan.

56:46 He favors some of the girls. And now that I've watched it a couple of times, I don't think he liked Whitney. No. I think he was a little harder on Whitney than... than she deserved. Not that she deserved. I think that he was not objective about it. I will say that. Can I just say Andy Cohen does the exact same thing? Oh, Andy Cohen is horrifically worse about it, I would argue. He's not objective ever. No, because he likes Giselle, he likes Bethany Frankel, he likes... He loves NeNe Leakes and those people do not get held to the fire when they deserve to be.

57:28 No. And here's the thing. I don't think like I get why some people are saying are like calling him a fan and saying that that's. saying that in sort of a derogatory way, I think there's no one else I'd rather see host a reunion than someone who's watched the show and likes it and is passionate about it. You know what I mean? Did you ever watch the Real Housewives of Potomac reunion where Nicki Minaj came on for a part of the reunion? That's what I want. I want, if Andy Cohen's not going to host it, I want someone who watches it, who has a good time watching it, who's going to kiki with them. That's what I want. And you can't watch a reality show like these. Mormon wives or housewives or any of them without having opinions. That's kind of the whole point. I agree. So anyway, I liked Nick Viall.

58:17 I did too. I really liked him. But something I did pick up on almost immediately, they edited in a lot of his audio, like where they cut away from him and then like you can hear that it just sounds a little bit different. Yeah. And I was like... Yeah. I don't know how many times Hulu has done a reunion like that. Do they have another reality show that would be a reunion like that? They have Vanderpump Villa, and I think they had a reunion. Oh, okay. But that's, like, one. Yeah, I don't know. And they did the Kardashians, but, like, whatever. That's their family, you know? They came into that with a script. Right. Whatever. And then Jen and Zach are backstage for probably the first half of the reunion. Yeah.

59:03 Something that genuinely upset me was the child's voice that Jen was putting on the entire time they were talking. Yeah, I felt like she was really trying to like portray a character. And I also think she was just like, I don't know. I think she knew she caught a lot of heat this season. And so she was just trying to be not objective, but like just likable. You know what I mean? I think she was trying to do the cutesy, like, oh, I'm a fan, too. Oh, I can't believe she did that. But, like, it was the voice behind it. Because I was like, that's not your voice. That's not how you talk. We've heard you talk for two years. This is not how you talk in that box. Did you ever watch RuPaul's Drag Race? Yeah.

59:50 Do you remember the Bianca Del Rio season with, like, Adore Delano? Yeah. Where there was a... in Untucked where Adore Delano is fighting with Laganja Estranja and she goes, this is not how you talk. And Adore was bothered about that. That's how I felt. Yeah, I don't know. I think she's just like... She seems like she's very uncomfortable in herself. Yeah. And that's what is so bothersome. Just own it. We unpack a little bit of the Marciano meetup and we start literally where we left off with the conversation between Marciano and Layla. And the girls kind of recap what happened in Italy and how Demi was really flirty with Marciano, which, by the way, I would have been as flirty as the day is long with that man. I love a hot alcoholic. Yeah. Jesse pulls out screenshots from text conversations between Demi and Marciano where she's comparing oysters to swallowing cum, and I was like... It was obviously flirty, but also, Demi, you're a weirdo. It was weird, and... Oh, God. I don't know. But we cut to Jen and Zach where he has to explain that the clam emoji might mean a vagina. And Jen's reaction made me wish she was still at home in

1:01:21 the bed. Oh, my God. Like the, oh, my God. Like, stop. Shut the fuck up. Like, I don't know. I don't know. It's so weird because. aren't you the one that was being threatened with a cease and desist about talking about what happened and now it's like you don't have a story at all like you're just oh yeah that was jen wasn't it yeah yeah oh i forgot about that what i don't it was very like confusing the way she was acting yes and then this whole conversation turns into revisiting how demon or demi is a little demon monster and whitney starts to defend her of course because i think We'll get into it. I think the problem is that she told Demi on that FaceTime call where Demi was, like, going to Disney World or Disneyland or whatever and was like, no, I'll stand up for you at the reunion, but, like, some things I think you'll just have to say. I think she messed up by telling Demi, I'll stand up for you at the reunion, and she knows if she didn't say anything, Demi would have her head.

1:02:29 I think she should have taken the Layla approach where Layla took with Taylor where she says, yeah, I'll stand up for you and then just starts disassociating. I don't think Demi would respond like Taylor. I think Demi would like air everything Whitney has ever done out. Demi would make Whitney's life a living hell. That's what I'm saying. 100%, yes. I think she kind of trapped herself into having to defend Demi, which she shouldn't have done. You shouldn't have even called her. I don't know why you're friends with her. Anyway. No. Nick calls out that Jessie isn't wearing her wedding ring, and she talks about how she and Jordan are working through a lot of hard things right now. So here's the thing. I don't like this very specific plot point right here because Nick goes, did you and Marciano have sex? Jesse says that everything gets unpacked in season three and it's not what everyone thinks. That is not what a reunion is for. You shouldn't have said a fucking word about it. Hulu is weird for that. I think it's on Hulu, honestly, because never. in a housewives reunion never when i've seen the kardashians have a reunion never ever on any other reality show has the answer ever been i can't talk about that because it's in the next season it has on one reunion and i will tell you this is why bravo redid entirely the way they started filming housewives was in new

1:04:01 jersey i think it was season two or season three it was season two like going into season three because they were doing the reunion and they had already started filming season three during the season two reunion and and that's a problem yes you need to fix that and they like like Teresa and I think Caroline were all talking about like like oh we can't talk about that because it's in season three and like the producers were like never again like and so that is a crock of bullshit but also I don't like the way they did this where like did they did they think they weren't gonna get picked back up and like I I don't like I didn't like it at all and I can understand the perspective of like well we don't want to miss anything Story wise. And so we're just going to keep filming for season three. But like, that's just not how it works on TV. Mama, you are going to miss some stuff that gets aired out at the reunion. And that's what people tune into fucking reunions for. That's it's that. And it's also.

1:05:06 what it's weird to me because they've taken producers from bravo like bravo producers left bravo to come to hulu to produce secret lives and mormon lives they know how this works so why do they do that but like but also ostensibly the entire third season's already been filmed because they like it's in the can because they had previews of it at the end of the episode so i i guess i don't understand what they're saving i don't know like i I'm interested to see what happens, but if it turns out to be one of these things where it's not that interesting, I will be pissed off. What I do believe is that Jesse probably went a little too far when it came to flirting with Marciano. I don't believe they hooked up.

1:05:55 I think they made out. Maybe. I believe that rumor that they were going out to bars and that people saw them making out. I think that happened. That probably happened. I'll buy that. And I think that Jordan probably, and rightfully so, I think Jordan probably had a hard time with that. I mean, yeah, you're married. Like, yeah. And I think that's kind of what they're unpacking. I don't think that any of this is being put on for show, but I do believe that Demi conspired with Marciano. Because let me tell you something about Marciano. That is a little boy who... That is Jax Taylor made over. That is a little boy who wants to be on TV. Oh, yeah. And he will follow directions from anybody. I believe if you bat your eyelashes at Marciano and say, you need to go make out with Jesse, he will do that.

1:06:53 We jump into some of the fights that we had over the season. And then Taylor... dives into mom talk and how it started and how it's evolved and this kind of evolves into taylor revisiting the swinger scandal and going public with all of it when are we gonna drop that by the way i'm so tired of hearing about it we're never gonna get the full truth from any side of the situation everybody swears they've already given us the full truth let's move on And I, like, yeah, like, that was, like, the founding thing of what got you on TV. Sure, but, like... We're two seasons in now. Yeah. Drop it. Yeah, I agree.

1:07:38 Ugh. Because, like, it would be like making The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City all about Jen Shaw getting arrested. Like, that's... Right, like, if they never would have let it go. Right. But to be fair, I do think that they didn't have a reunion for season one, so I think this is kind of... the reunion for season one and two where like it's like how did we get here so like i just don't need to hear about the swinging thing anymore yeah we're not gonna you're just like using the same words over and over in a different order right um but i guess whitney was the first one to ask to hear taylor's side of the story and i think that because of that taylor will always feel like some level of loyalty or like have a soft spot for whitney because of that i just don't think that earns you a lifetime of loyalty but maybe that's i think that's something i appreciate about taylor where like yeah she's good to the people that were good to her she is good at remembering the good and not just the bad and people which i respect but like I don't know. I thought the whole thing was kind of... It happened years ago now. Like, four years ago. More than that. It was, like, 2020. Yeah.

1:08:55 Yeah, so let's say five years ago. It's like, Whitney has been such a monster since then that, like... I don't know. Maybe I just have, like, short -term, long -term memory loss and I wouldn't feel that way. But, like... I don't know. I don't know. I think they should be over all of it, but that's just me. They talk a little bit about the Mormon community not welcoming mom talk. And this one I thought was wild, but I guess there was pushback from the community about the girls wearing tank tops because they couldn't wear their temple garments under that. And I was like, that's what you care about? Well, it's just evidence that they're not wearing their garments, right? Because if they were, you would see them under a tank top. So it's like, I don't know. I think it's very like, well, how Mormon are you? And I think every religion has that to some degree. Well, we'll dive into that one day. But that that was insane to me that like, that's what you're focusing on. I mean, because I think their whole thing is like proving that they're. not that the wives right the people on the show mom talk that they're not like really mormon or they're redefining what it is to be mormon yeah right so like maybe i don't know but i was just like jesus christ like an organized religion is but i also think it like part of

1:10:27 that comes back to like my thing with religion and i'm just like oh my god you're obsessed with what underwear people are wearing like that's yeah insane to me well i mean garments go like over it's like a cap sleeve it's but it's like a like a thing you wear under your clothes right the undergarment or whatever yeah i'm just like shut up i know well i don't know i have a hard time with it because how is that different from like a hijab which i would never say like oh you shouldn't like i don't know okay that's fair that's fair yeah i don't know i feel like as a not religious person who didn't grow up in the church i feel very conflicted about all of it i don't know that's fair yeah i i guess like in in my mind those like those two things are not the same thing but like no comparatively well they do different things right like the mormon garments go under your clothes and so it's almost like what are you trying to prove and whereas like a hijab they're like Women shouldn't show their hair. So they're doing two different things. Okay. Yeah, I guess I just never thought about it that way. I don't know. I don't know.

1:11:38 I think the whole thing is very weird. I think it's weird that anyone has to prove their religion to other people in the religion at all. I think it's strange. Don't get me started on that because I will never shut up about it. The girls laugh about how cringy it was at the very beginning. They talk about how they can't even go back and watch some of the videos. I feel like all of TikTok was so cringy at that time. Oh, yeah. I think part of it still is. Oh, for sure. I mean, there are still people dancing in the rain and doing all kinds of weird shit. To be cringe is to be free. Yeah, I'm like, if you want to go out and dance, go out and fucking dance, man. I don't care. Like, we're two idiots on the microphone being idiots. Yeah, what? Like, we're, do you want to, I have not, we recorded an episode in the very, very, very beginning of this that never saw the light of day. And I can't go back and listen to that because I'm just like. It is different when it's yourself. Yeah. For sure. I'm like, be cringy. I think everyone should be cringe.

1:12:45 I think the realist version of everyone is a little bit cringy. Oh, yeah. But I will say, they're braver than we were because they put it out on the internet. 100%. episode 0001 is never seeing the light of day right right well i remember the old videos of taylor saying she was 50 years old i'm sure she's embarrassed about that now i think i still i totally forgot about that i don't know if she like Taylor doesn't have that much shame, which I love about her, by the way. Oh, I love. I love it. She's very shameless. She is. I don't know that she would be embarrassed about that. But I remember the North remembers. Layla talks about how this whole thing became real for her when she got her first big check from a brand deal. And I guess I never considered this about Layla or any of the girls on the show. Because when you think about people coming on to these shows, you... think of them coming from a place of wealth already but she talks about how she was a struggling mom and she literally had to pick between her kids eating or her eating and she yeah i mean she always picked her kids to eat obviously yeah but it reminds me a lot of um and this she's a problematic individual now but jk rowling when she did her first interview on oprah and she talked about how because oprah said how did you know when you were wealthy and she said i think she said something like i was at the store and i was picking

1:14:18 between chocolate milk and white milk for my kids and i realized i didn't have to choose and like yeah say what you will about the individual and it there's room for criticism for jk rowling for everything that she's done but i think that is a very cool thing to get to that point and be able to provide for your kids i think that's incredible so like i would i thought that was really fucking cool for leila where she talked about like struggling in a world that's so hard to struggle in and she made it i think that's really fucking cool we'll have to talk about that one day about how it's a humiliation ritual to struggle in today's world instead of people wanting to pick you up they want to laugh at you um and then we find out leila finally We find out Layla finally had an orgasm with her vibrator. And I think it's so weird to say this out loud, but I'm so happy for her. I'm so happy that she finally, finally, finally made it happen.

1:15:26 And I love that for her. Well, like, aside from the orgasm itself, I think it... I think she's like coming into her own a little bit. She seems a little more. Growing into herself you mean. Confident and comfortable. Yeah. So proud of her for that. She's like. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's like it shows that she's like letting herself live a little more. Yeah. Yeah. I think yeah that's a really good way to put it. And on the note of the vibrator thing, Nick says that all men need to learn that every Batman needs a Robin. And I feel like... He's sexy for that. Yeah. And I was like, that's... Like, it takes a guy that's, like, secure as fuck to say that. Like, that's really cool. A hundred percent.

1:16:09 Do you know how many... He's straight, right? Yeah. Yeah. Which I hate. Do you know how many straight guys are like, I don't want to see that anywhere. You don't need that if you got me. Shut up. Type of thing. Shut up. Like, come on. Shut up. so yeah he's hot for that um and then dear listener full disclosure this is where the notes start to get a little i think i was like i was falling asleep or something when i was watching this so like the notes just kind of cut off but we get into um whitney's journey back into mom talk so nick asked michaela why she hates whitney so much and michaela says that she doesn't hate whitney and i like i remember thinking that was literally your only storyline this season. Like, I don't remember her talking about anything other than her, like, getting pregnant. But I don't remember her talking about anything else but hating Whitney and how she doesn't think she deserves to be back in the group. And this, like, it was wild to me. Yeah, I don't know why she said that. I mean, maybe because, like, hate is a very strong word. I don't know. But one thing I will give Michaela, she does say that Whitney has a hard time seeing when she's the problem. And I do think that that is true. Yeah. I think if she had led with that from the beginning, I think we'd be in a very different place. But what I will say about Michaela, like, given the entire season and given, like...

1:17:42 Everything about her. I don't think I dislike Michaela as much as I thought I did. I had a hard time with her this season, but I came a long way with her. I like her now. I like her. I just... As much as she can point out that Whitney doesn't realize when she's the problem, Michaela doesn't realize when she's the drama either. But that's fine. But they talk about when they were all in Scottsdale and Whitney was like... in that confessional going oh let's shift focus for me and turn the turn to the drama where it's between demi and jen and like whatever and i i guess like i don't know how we made the jump well i i can see from whitney's perspective what he calls mikaela a bully and I'm sorry but it's so the pot calling the kettle black yeah I'm just like babe we've all done a little bit of bullying in our lives like maybe and you just did it last season on this fucking show like come on so whatever whatever and then so like that's this that is fully like where my notes leave off I will say a couple of other things that I do vividly recall from the reunion um when connor came on oh there's so much before that oh well then okay you get into your part because i want to talk about the connor thing because i thought like yeah it was very heartwarming go on to your thing um so after that is when

1:19:13 we get our half -assed clip from demi oh where she's yeah okay yeah she did the interview with nick lyle right she does her little interview and she's talking about She's not there because she already planned a Disneyland trip, which again, I think is bullshit. She says she knows that everyone's going to think she's running away from something, but I swear I'm not. Can I tell you something that I do know about these productions? Mm -hmm. These are all filmed on a soundstage. Yeah. They're booked months in advance. You have call sheets. You have production schedules. You have entire groups of people where their only job is the logistics of making this reunion happen. 100%. And you're going to tell me. They somehow didn't find out about it. I had no idea when this was happening. And we just happened to have a Disneyland trip planned on the same day. You are a liar. Yeah, so then she goes on to double down on calling Jen's crying apology video to the group calculated and disingenuous and it was suspect timing and all of that. She also says in that interview that Jen got pregnant

1:20:47 and that seemed to be a turning point for her and almost a reason to remove herself from mom talk. No. Girl, you called her out for being a liar. Did you forget that? Far be it from me to ever be on Jen's side about anything this season. Because if Jen has zero haters on this earth based on this season, I am dead. Right. That being said, we saw... And I can objectively say we saw a woman who was broken. She was, granted, was part of that probably her own fault. Yeah.

1:21:32 Leading up to before she found out she was pregnant, she had been sneaky and lying. Yes. And all of that. But she was in a dark place and she found it within herself to apologize to you. And the way Demi cannot accept an apology from anyone for anything really rubs me the wrong way. And that's exactly where I was going with it was you genuinely just cannot accept. someone and meet them where they're at. Because I think what I will give Jen is that when she did the apology and she said, I think that I've been doing a lot of work on myself and I've realized that I am not in a good space right now and I think that's why I've hurt other people, she started to get a pass from me. Yeah. Anyway. From then on, it's... I mean, it's not really that interesting.

1:22:28 It's... Zach defending himself and saying... But I felt like he really kept his composure for it. Zach is Jen's husband, for those of you who are not following along. The weird little blonde one. He really kept his composure and he was like, obviously Demi and Brett have different boundaries in their marriage than Jen and I do. That was basically his whole point. Sure. Which... whatever whatever moving on um skipping over the sneak peek into season three because i just whatever then the husbands are out yes right yes and that's when we get to the connor thing so connor opens up about how he was assaulted when he was a kid and a couple things about this i think that When you are a man in a religion like Mormonism, like Christianity, like certain subsects. What was it? Sects. Sects? S -E -C -T -S. That's not the word I'm looking for. Subcultures, I don't know. Different versions of Christianity.

1:23:57 When you're admitting something like that, that has to be the most terrifying thing you can say out loud because you are told in no uncertain terms, you don't talk about these things. You cannot be honest about some of these things in a lot of cases. And I don't know that this happened within the church, but I do know that when it does happen within the church, they will do everything in their power and that some churches in a lot of. A lot of scenarios will do everything in their power to protect the abuser because you don't want to ruin his life or like whatever the crock of bullshit might happen. I think that when Connor admitted this, I was so incredibly proud of him for admitting it. I was so impressed because I really. I'll be honest, leading into this, my impression of Connor was that he's a little weaselly. We had the dating app stuff.

1:24:53 We had him just being kind of, like, strange, almost. Like, I didn't really get him, but I have such a newfound respect for him because he's... That gave so many little boys a voice. You know what I mean? I agree. And... I think that guys, this happens to guys, like it happens to women disproportionately, but it also happens to guys. And I think you have to be honest. You have to name it and you have to call it out. Or it'll continue. It will continue. If you never point out the monster, the monster will continue to. Right. But no, I think Connor did an incredible thing. And like what I was really, really, really.

1:25:44 happy about is that the girls that had a problem with whitney throughout the season they're able to put their bullshit aside and go up to connor and be like i am so proud of you you're gonna help a lot of people like they really built him up yeah and he was really brave yes they did get into his porn addiction a little bit i now i feel okay after seeing the reunion i feel like all of that just kind of has to be put aside for him not because he deserves to be forgiven for everything wrong that he's ever done but because he has to have such a skewed fucked up mindset about sex not has to but like it it doesn't seem like a far jump when you were assaulted as a kid to have weird kind of mindset and by weird i just mean not healthy sure mindset surrounding sex i feel like it's not appropriate any longer for us to be talking about his porn addiction i don't know because i feel like i don't know Well, I come at it from, like, Whitney and Connor have decided that in their marriage, they had a rough time. They went through some rocky waters.

1:27:13 They have shared their story. They've shared how they got here. Yeah. And now they're choosing to move forward with it. And that is nobody else's business but their own. Right. And I want them to. I want them to be okay. 100%. It seemed really hard for Whitney. When she was hearing his recounting of what had happened to him, she was very emotional. You can tell it was really hard. And that's kind of where I'm coming from, where I think not only was this so upsetting to hear and powerful and brave, but it also... kind of gave context to Whitney being so forgiving about what had happened because he says this came up in therapy when they were talking about their problems with their marriage. And so that's kind of where my perspective of like, okay, I'm not making fun of his porn addiction anymore because they just gave context to it that makes it so much darker and harder to grapple with. But, like, can we say for a second good on him for the way he's handled himself up to this point? He seems like an excellent father. He's been a good husband to Whitney, obviously. He's, like, been there for her. Yeah.

1:28:40 And he did all of that before even facing this huge demon. I agree. I don't have a problem in the world with Connor right now. No. I think Connor's great. No. And all the problems I had with Connor before, if we're being honest, were just me judging that little man. Yeah. What else? Was there anything else that was notable in the reunion? Nothing of note. The only thing that I thought was funny and silly was in the preview to season three, they show Marciano getting a lie detector test. Oh, Jesus Christ. Do you remember that? I do remember seeing that, and a couple of things. I don't need that. I don't want the whole trope of like, oh, we're bringing in an expert. I feel the same way about this as I felt about Megan King Edmonds bringing on a psychic in... the early seasons i say the early but it's like somewhere in the middle of uh the real housewives of orange county to figure out that brooks was faking cancer i feel the same way about the real housewives of new jersey bringing on that weird man in the first couple of seasons where he was like allegedly part of the mafia and he was part of the i i'm probably gonna get it wrong with the gambino crime family like it's i i don't need it because we don't do that in real life

1:30:11 no right like if someone your friend or whoever lies to you in real life and you're trying to get to the bottom of it because you have two different stories you're not calling in a lie detector that's not how life works but i also i like And also, they don't work. They don't work. They're not admissible in court. You're not supposed to have them on camera. Like, you're not supposed to have anyone else in the room. They also teach classes about how to lie. Take them, yeah. Like, God. Not to mention, Marciano's probably 10 drinks in. It's not built for him. Marciano, let me just tell you something that I know about Marciano is that... There's not a lie detector test in this world Marciano couldn't pass. I don't know anything about Marciano, but I do know that about him. Oh, yeah. You can just...

1:31:04 Because he just doesn't care. No. He'll say anything. Yeah. I don't understand. Jesus Christ. He is like Jax Taylor. I feel the same way about Jax Taylor. Never give him a lie detector test. He's going to pass every time. Yes. He's going to only add to the credibility of those classes. Yes. He's going to teach one of those classes. Right. He only gets worked up when it's like in his favor to be worked up. It's not. He does not care. That's where we're at. Do we have anything else, ladies and gentlemen? I don't know who I'm talking to. This lady doesn't have anything.

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