Shaded Reality roundup with Ann & Marie

0:12 Hi, I'm Travis, and this is Bestie Approved. Emma was supposed to be here tonight, but her baby is being a baby. So I miss her. I love her. She's the best mother, and that's okay. And I'll be here without her, but I've got two other people with me, and I'll let them introduce themselves. Yeah, I hope we get to meet her sometime. Yeah, for sure. You will, for sure. You will. Yeah, so I'm Marie, and we're from Shaded Reality. And I was so excited when Travis reached out and wanted to do a collab. And yeah, so we're going to talk all things reality TV tonight, I think. Yes, and I'm Anne, and I'm with Shaded Reality also. We are, Marie and I are sisters.

0:59 So yeah, we're super excited. nice so um i think marie you told me like you've been all in on bravo since uh the real housewives of orange county started what kind of prompted the podcast to start for you guys we So I've talked about I've wanted to do a podcast because I'm a big podcast listener. So I kind of started in true crime. And then I realized I really loved listening to people talk about my TV shows. Like that was kind of like a thing that came later. And so I moved. I haven't been home. like in my home state since I was 20. So I finally moved home for the first time in 21 years. And Anne and I were, I think we had the kids on like a road trip somewhere. I can't remember exactly, but we were in the car talking. Yes. And I was like, I've always wanted to start a podcast. And she's like, oh my God, I would love to start a podcast.

2:00 And so we just talked about it a little bit. And then I actually, you know, like. got the ball rolling I started sending her text messages and I'm like what do you think about this for a logo what do you think about this for a name what is this and she's like oh are we like really doing this I thought we were just like talking like about it you know I love that so yeah that's how we got started yep that's so cool I guess so tell tell like and we'll do both of this but like or that's for both of us but like tell the besties about like what your what your show is all about like where like what's your vibe so we pretty much recap um reality tv our kind of initial like uh theme of what we wanted to start with was spin -off shows so we wanted to kind of do those shows that are like not as paid attention to like they're not the main thing so we started with next gen nyc um and then we talked ourselves into um secret lives of mormon wives as being a spin -off from their tick -tocks um because you know they had a world going on and were popular in and of themselves and had their stories that they were telling before the show became a thing um and now we're currently doing the valley so yeah we don't have a particular um like network or anything like that um spin -off shows was kind of what we were thinking but we just we recap entire shows kind of from beginning to

3:32 end nice so what about you what what's your theme or like where did you and emma get started So Emma and I worked together in finance, and that's kind of how we met. And we both left our first firm together because we hated that. And we were like, oh, maybe if we change the environment, we'll like that better. And come to find out, we just really hated working in finance. But we shared an office at the second firm we worked at. one of the other people in the office like because Emma and I just are like part of the charm of us is we just never shut up like that's all we do is talk all day long so like one of the people that are like that could like were within earshot of us was we're like hey you guys should start a podcast and I was like we should because we deserve attention like that's what we should do and like that's kind of how um we just started like a shared notes app with each other and it was just like this rambling like crazy insane like stream of consciousness and then we both left that second firm and i was like you know what we never got around to is starting that podcast and like we had time because i had started grad school she was uh being a full -time mom and she's um Granted, being a full -time mom is much more of a commitment than grad school is, but we had more time. That's kind of how we came to be podcast hosts. It's

5:03 been a journey trying to figure out what our theme is. We're still reworking it a little bit, but half of the show is kind of our love letter to reality TV and trash and just really the... the women that raised us on reality tv and um we started recap actually our first recap uh was secret lives of morgan wives and then we're doing housewives we uh we're trying to figure out like what else we want to do because we've we've met a couple of other people who do like drag race and who do like uh big brother and like that kind of thing so we're still finding our footing a little bit but um but it's been a really cool ride and i've i've really enjoyed it so yeah and then i'm also i'm obsessed with reality tv like i cannot get enough of it when we get into the traders a little bit later like i'll tell you like emma's reaction to like how i reacted to watching i think it was the second season of traders in our office so yeah i love it yeah yeah i will say that i was more like i still love reality tv don't get me wrong but it was like uh i started out also like when they first started beverly hills and like i was so into it like i watched all all of them and then i felt like once i started having a family and just like my life and busy it just seems so much harder to have time to watch these shows you know like I still want to be and I'm like I think I've said it before I'm one I need to sit down and watch it like I can't just listen like Marie

6:34 is like I feel like you like do seven other things and you're also listening you know what I mean yeah I need to watch it like I can't do one thing at a time that's not yeah I don't know like I need to so like I want to I want it all for me like I don't like it's like it's your time yes yeah I get it I'm kind of the same way when it comes to I'm the same way as Marie when it comes to like normal seasons like unless it's like a reunion episode or like maybe a premiere where like I kind of want to get back into it but like yeah I'll do like 90 things while I'm watching like it's like I'm doing homework I'm like playing with the dog I'll do the whole thing but like when it's when it's reality or I'm sorry when it's uh When it's reunion time, I'm a hundred percent on board with you. It is. I'm all in.

7:19 Yeah. But this isn't a question we ask everyone on every episode of SD approved. And it's how we start every episode. What is the last song you guys listened to? So do you want me to go first? Yeah, go ahead. I feel like I keep talking. I keep answering everything. I always talk over and all day, every day. So I got to sit back. So I listened to your guys's one podcast and you guys were talking about, I think you did the same thing. You were like, what was the last song you listened to? And you were talking about like you use Apple music, right? Okay. So, and I just thought it was so funny because I use Spotify, but the only reason I use Spotify is because I have an 18 year old daughter who made me get it. I was. Yeah, like a Pandora. Like I listened to Pandora for years. I know. Is that still around? If you like it, I love it. I didn't know that still existed. I'm so sorry. I think my husband still listens to it. Or no, he listens to Sirius, like through the car, whatever. But that's what we listen to. Then my daughter was like, you can't listen to that. Like you need to use Spotify. So I'm like. okay sign me up so that's like all i know but i just thought it was so funny because you're like i feel like it's a young person thing well and i mean i guess maybe it is because my daughter got me started

8:49 on it but she like paid for the app like she did the whole thing because i was like i'm not doing that i'm cheap well i feel like the apple music thing is such like an elitist piece of shit thing too where i'm just like i listen to apple music sorry yeah But so I just thought that was really funny and I had to let you know that. But so I went back on to Spotify to see what my last song was. So it was Teddy swims the door, but my daughter and I jam out like every morning to Benson Boone, beautiful things. We love Benson Boone. It's like our jam. I love that. That was our last song. Nice. What about you, Marie? So I don't listen to music at all, like ever. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I only listen to podcasts or audiobooks. Literally, I have an hour and 15 minute commute like each way.

9:51 And I listen to either podcasts or audiobooks. My brain. Doesn't work with music. I don't know how to explain it. But anyway, I did have something I recently listened to because one of my friends from high school, I don't really like talk too much anymore, but she sent me a text. uh had a picture of her car radio and said every time i hear this i think of your dad so my sister and i we would jam out to this in my dad's truck so i'm taking us back to 1991 and it's joyride by rock set because i made my kids listen to it then after um she sent me that text message so i have i love that that's that's so sweet i love that um mine was you said joyride i immediately went to kesha and i was like i love that and i was like wait that she was not around in 1991 but um i don't know any oh oh my gosh i don't i don't know where to put that and i'm not gonna acknowledge but i'm kidding i'm kidding um but my last song was heartbreakery by z machine and i i'd say you should listen to it but you won't and that's okay like i'll listen to it i listen to music every day i love that i'm i'm similar to marine like when like i i would say like 75 of like what my audio intake is a podcast or like youtube playing in the background because

11:21 like i that's just typically like how my brain works but like they're like there's a good chunk of time where it's like i have to like have set like some rhythm or something going so like i i get what you're saying though like with the like your brain just like likes like dialogue that's okay yeah yeah what's the last audiobook you listened to then um it was called my soul to take it's who's that by yeah uh i you wouldn't i don't know i consume so many books that like the authors like don't even stick it's just like one thing after another after another i couldn't i have no clue that's okay that's cool i love it um so i put together a list of questions just to like let everyone get to know each other let our audiences get to know each other and um the first one is what would your real housewives tagline be I spent a ridiculous amount of time on this and it's not even that amazing, but.

12:24 Okay. Oh, where is it? I had to write it down. Do you have yours up right up, Anne? I do. So mine's like not great, but I just love it. I said family first goals always. But then Marie gave me two and I have to do the overbite one. I didn't write that one down. That one was not a good one. So it was a living non -toxic life, but I kind of switched it up a little bit. I live a non -toxic life, but will never turn down Botox. I like that one. So I'm real weird about like what we eat. I'm like what we put in our bodies, clean products in my house. but then people make fun of me because i put get botox that shit in my forehead but i'm like no red dye number 40 we are not allowed to have that in our home you know like that another one was i know you only asked for one but this was one marie came up with and i just like laugh so hard i don't use dawn like dawn dish so okay love to yawn because i yawn a lot on our podcast i like have to edit out her yawns i love that what about you marie what are yours uh mine was i may love the heat but trust me i thrive in the shade i was trying to play off of like our podcast that's a good one yeah and i like to be out in

13:57 the sun like summer is my favorite season yeah that's a really i like that oh thanks what's yours um I'm not a force to be reckoned with. I'm a force that will wreck you. Because I would want to be seen as like the bully in the season, I guess. Yeah. That's good. Love it. Which real -life city do you think you would thrive in and who would be your best friend in that city? So I'm 100 % New York. I'm 100 % New York. Like everyone else gets too petty and like I'm very blunt. um just in real life and so I don't think other cities they would take everything I said too seriously and like be hurt by what I say whereas New York like that's like my personality and I think I'd be best friends with Carol Radziwill that would be my really okay yes nice I mean not since every like I think she might be on the Epstein list or something but yeah yeah I this was this was like This is before that. Before I knew all that. It was just on New York City.

15:10 Yes. Yeah. What about, do you have anyone from the Newcastle that you... No, I hate the Newcastle. I get it. It's a weird time. Do you really? I can't. So Aaron, I might be able to get into it if Aaron was gone. I can't do Aaron. Okay, I'll give you that. Aaron and... I want to, like, sigh. I really, really, really do. But, like, I think the first season she was on, she leaned so heavily into that. Like, I'm a content creator thing. And I'm like, that's not real. That's not a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't bother me as much as Erin. Like, she could just kind of be a background character to me. But Erin gets under my skin. Like, I just cannot with Erin. I can't. Yeah. She's hard. What about you, Anne? Where would you go and who would be your best friend? So I said Beverly Hills and my best friend would be Dorit. I love Dorit. I do too.

16:09 And her fashion and just everything about her. Yeah, I love her in the car with that cigarette. That is really, that's my favorite iteration of Dorit. So if I had to pick any of them, I think. either salt lake city or miami um just like because i'm trash and i love miami and i love i like i love miami um but if it's like if i'm picking based on the cast itself uh salt lake city and i feel like i actually didn't think about this at all before like as i was writing this um i feel like i would get along like a dream with heather gay and like i think i would desperately want to be friends with lisa barlow but like i couldn't handle the like the blow -ups like i could handle like the like who she is because i think she's really really cool but like when when she gets confronted and she's like screaming about like you're a liar you're lying i'm like okay look but heather gay or lisa barlow yeah i used to love the heather gay that would like just sit at the table and like I felt like she was me. Like she would just like look at everybody. Like the audience proxy. Yeah.

17:27 Yes. And I love that Heather gay. I don't like when she tries to create the story, like that starts to drive me a little bit. I'm like, no, stop it. Yeah. But I think that's kind of like, I think that's, it's hard for like first season housewives to like, as they, as they progress, it's like, there's. It's like, how do I like make the show more and more and more and more? And I think like, you know, I think she has tried to top receipts, proof timeline screenshots for what, two years now. And I think that I love her just the way she is. I don't need her to do anything more than that. You know? Yeah. That's how I feel too. I think that she, she'll get back to it. I think she just doesn't know exactly where she needs to be right now. Yeah. I think so. Well, and I think also with like the. she's gone through a physical transformation too. And I think like that does like something to people, like not, not negatively, but psychologically, it's like, you're trying to figure out where you fit. I think she's experiencing that a little bit too. Cause it's like, who am I in this new body? And I think that I'm excited to see who she becomes. Like, cause I mean, she's a New York times bestselling author. She's got so many merits to stand on. I'm, I'm, I'm excited to see like more and more of her. I love her. yeah and i think her intelligence like puts her out at this like different level than most of the women not like negative about anyone so like i think she feels like she needs to like control where everything is and like it's just part of her like personality and yeah she'll but she'll

19:00 get there back again i i think you're right yeah um if you went to swig with one of the mormon wives what would your drink order be as i'm like here with mine i wish we had a swig we don't have you guys don't have swig no no like it's a brand new thing to be fair no sorry yeah we say we're gonna travel just came in locally but that's not the same oh we've had that for like 10 years here so yeah no we're in very rural like amish country like Fair enough. We had Dunkin' Donuts for a long time. That was it. Now, but not for that long, honestly. No, probably not.

19:55 I said a Texas Tab. I looked at the menu. That's Emma's drink. Emma loves that. That's her favorite. What is in that? The Texas Tab. Dr. Pepper, vanilla, and coconut, I think. Okay. So I said that Dr. Pepper, raspberry puree, and coconut cream. Okay. That's what I would like to try. But then for the refresher, I would love mango, pineapple, fresh lime, and raspberry puree. That sounds really good, actually. What do you get? I honestly just get a diet Dr. Pepper with no ice and cherry and vanilla. i'm basic but yeah like i don't the the like named drinks are like a lot for me and like i'm just like i i just like the diet dr pepper like i'm good i love a good dr pepper in reality i don't know if i would actually get the named ones you know like every time i would probably yeah something less yeah and they also don't have diet dr pepper in the named ones which is annoying to me i'm like what if someone I don't know. What if someone wants to be cutesy and healthy? Right? I'm a diet Dr. Pepper drinker.

21:14 I love a diet Dr. Pepper. I do, too. I do, too. I am not. I am not a diet nothing. Really? I can't. No. It has that taste. I can't do it. I can't. I can't do regular. The regular has a very acidic aftertaste to me. Hmm. Yeah. Is that like that fake sugar taste? I can't get past it. fair i'll give you that that's okay i love dr pepper um would you rather be a faithful or a traitor if you were on the traitors okay so i've always said traitor always like and i still think i am but after watching the finale this season i had some emotions like i felt so upset like I was I was like I don't think I could do that like he won fair and square yeah but like I could I was like I if I was in his shoes like I don't know it's not like you can like vote yourself out at the end but like I feel like I I honestly would have been like I can't do this to somebody like I can't I don't know I felt the same way. Like I, I struggled deep.

22:32 I, it was that this and the, the first season where it was the, the traitor one in the first season. I was like, yes. Yeah. I don't like this. Maybe I would have felt different if he would have left Aaron or Eric, like just him and Eric one. Like it might've made me like feel a little different about it. Cause it's like, Oh, at least two of them. I don't, I don't know. Cause I was screaming the whole thing. I was like, figure it out mora figure it out like i was just so mad like she just wouldn't get it you know that was the thing with mora is like she was like she was all in on rob like that was that was her dude and like that i was like that is that is a wild horse to hit your car too i gotta tell you yeah but what about you man which would you rather be so i said pass on this question because i don't watch traders Oh, fair. I gave her a whole rundown. He gave me the whole rundown.

23:32 And I said, I'm just going to say pass. Fair. Okay. That's okay. You should. It's really good. I love it. I feel like if I were on the show, I definitely would do better as a faithful. But I feel like if I were a traitor, like at the end, like if I got to the end, I would like. I would have to drop every clue on God's green earth. Like, Hey, vote me out. Like do something. Cause like, I would feel so guilty. Like, cause granted it's, it's the game and it's literally called the traders. And like, that's the whole catch of it. But like, there's, I think there's something where you get to know these people as people and. Yeah. Like you're rooting for the underdog. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

24:21 Cause I mean, I really, really like to win things. But so I don't know how I would be. But I also like I know midseason the way like Rob turned against his other traders. I would never do that. You know what I mean? Like I would always feel like we were a team as far as we could go. So I know like I feel like I would be like a better trader, you know, than he was. i think i would be like the worst i'm the worst liar i can't i i i have a tell when i lie where like i just i'm not good at it like i'm just like there's i couldn't do it there's no way i like i like be overacting at breakfast every morning i'd be like oh no like it'd be like my birdalicious with with with uh phaedra like killed him i don't know but yeah And the last one I have on my list, Marie, you've been on, you've been all in on Bravo since the real assets of Orange County.

25:19 So if you think back to all the women that have come and gone on our screens on Bravo, which housewife or friend of, would you bring back and who would you never want to see again? So I said, I, so Dorinda, I don't know if that counts. Cause like kind of the whole franchise went away, but I love me some Dorinda, like a drunk Dorinda. she just makes me so happy like she comes up with something new to say that's just insane and like they become part of like the housewives zeitgeist and she hasn't even really been that much like from that many seasons as compared to some of them but she was only on like three or four yeah yeah but like oh i love her um and then i would i would bethany like i don't ever need bethany again I just, I loved her in the beginning, but I can't Bethany now. Like, I just, I don't know. She gets under my skin. See, I love Bethany. bethany frankel is literally my hero but oh no i love bethany listen i follow her on all of the social like i i love how honest she is you know like i don't know i just i remember bethany when she had nothing i do too that's that's why i love her yeah yes and now she like created this life for herself and i love it like i love that for her i will I will say like with

26:52 Bethany Frankel, she is a polarizing character because I can see why she would be a lot for some people to handle. And I'm very similar in that way where like I don't ever shut up and like I'm an aggressive personality and like I'm very abrasive and it's like you love me or you hate me. There is no in between. So I can see why someone would say that. It's just I don't love hearing it. It's okay. I'm sorry. We're cool. I'm kidding. It's okay. What about you, Anne? Who would you want to? uh tutor boot so I would love to see Caroline Manzo um from New Jersey I loved her like she was just like the best such a like a great mom I don't know just she she never made me upset like she never pissed me off like I really enjoyed her I said um never bring back Camille um from Beverly Hills yeah Camille is and she like would come back on the show often like make her appearance and i'm like why is she here why do we keep bringing this woman back on the show she's someone who they wanted to make her work so bad and like she was not built for reality tv like she's like there a lot of times like i can't tell like if she's like if there's something like emotionally wrong like if she's actually being present like i i struggle with her because i'm like she this is not good for her like that you are not like you're not okay right now yeah but yeah yeah i i struggle with her um if i'm gonna bring back anyone it

28:26 would be either eileen davidson or lisa rena on beverly hills i think they were just yeah if i could bring back both i would i think they are just lightning in a bottle like i loved them together and then i never need to see leanne lock in on my screen again from dallas i don't know her oh i never watched dallas oh so that i know I know Leigh -Anne Locken from like other people are talking about her and like other podcasts and stuff I listen to, but I never watched Alice. It was like one of the things on my list, but it was kind of low on the totem pole because like it ended. So it was kind of like, I'll get to it if I get to it kind of thing. But yeah, I don't know her like personality. It's a lot like it is. It's a lot like and it's it's not a lot because like. i i like messy women there was just a lot of problematic behavior that was there um and the that that show was hard because it's it's it's texas so you like have to put it in that context right yeah um cool so emma and i also have a fun little segment that we do called complaining um what do you guys have to complain about today anything in the world so i wrote down on the notes but I cannot stand when people like I work, you know, in like an

29:57 office setting, et cetera, cannot read a damn email that has basic instructions, whether it's like, I don't know, we're going to use this new application or it's just me telling my team like, Hey, this is what needs done. Whatever it is. for some like I don't know what has changed but I feel like over the last at least like four to five years like people have lost the ability to read basic instructions and like comprehend them and that I don't know that it's just been the last four to five years I'll be honest yeah I just feel like I've been noticing it more and more like it just drives me insane when someone pops their head in my office well what about this I'm like I literally just an email with like so much time and detail that you know what i mean like i just yeah i don't know i feel like it happens too often no it does i 100 like because i'm the same way where i'm like did you read the email like yeah yeah we're on this um well to what marie just said so we have this app it's like called game changer or whatever and it's for you know like our kids with their sports Same thing. Like somebody like they'll write, okay, this is the time where we have to meet.

31:13 There's always that one person like a day or two later, what time do we have to meet? Where? And I'm like, copy and paste. Like I want to copy and paste it. I like, I flip like, and I'm not even the coach, but it makes me so angry. So I felt that when you said that. So my complaint was, so people who watch videos on their phone without AirPods or like headphones. Okay. That's my husband. Can you see that? That's my husband. It's like at the salon, I have a small salon that I work in. So it's like, you know, everyone who's in there can hear everyone's conversation kind of thing. So if I'm like working on somebody's hair and I have another client walk, you know, come in and sit down and they're watching a video or something. speaker all the way up i'm just like what the hell like do you not realize like it just annoys me so that's my complaint it doesn't bother me if it's like quiet ish or like if it's like yeah something super quick you're showing someone else but i'm just like who are you what are you doing like who is that for i i agree with you i actually agree with both of you on your complaints those are very valid complaints um I would like to complain about people that are physically, mentally, and emotionally unable to take out an ounce of accountability for anything in their life. In one of my project groups this semester, there is an individual who it does not matter what they do if it is right. There

32:46 is no other answer. They just believe that in their soul. If they are questioned on any of that, it is excuse, excuse, excuse. This person doesn't know what they're talking about. Or like, I, even if it was wrong, like, that's not my fault. I'm like, I don't care if you live or die. Like, I'm just trying to get out of this semester alive. Like, please shut up. Yeah. Yeah. That always blows me away because as soon as someone questions anything I've said, even if like in the end, I'm right. I'm always immediately question myself. Like, oh. well let me check that like did i you know what i mean like right i never understand where people get like this confidence that when someone says oh you may be wrong to be like no i'm not not not that just always yeah i run into those people too and it always yeah it's crazy i guess i just don't have that kind of uh yeah confidence or i'm just not an asshole like one or the other you know i think it's probably the latter cool so um let's jump in uh i say let's jump in we're a half hour in but here we are um before we get into anything i do want to kind of okay um before we get into anything i do kind of want to want to acknowledge um robert cosby jr did pass uh now at this point it was uh the beginning of last week and I hate this. Like, I hate it a lot because, like, there are several people in my family that have struggled with addiction, and I hate that he didn't beat

34:17 what he was dealing with. And I'm also, like, beyond Robert Jr., I am so heartbroken for Mary Cosby because, like, you could tell that, like, Robert Jr. was her entire world, and that just, like, it's gut -wrenching to think about, like, a parent having to bury their child, first of all, but, like... knowing how bad she wanted him to beat this like I I hate it for her and like I my thoughts go out to her and I hope that they are healing because like that sucks yeah it's also sad so yeah I can't even imagine yeah but um and then Andy Cohen posted a TikTok and he said exactly like how I was feeling but he said it a lot better so uh thanks Andy but like um but uh On to happier and brighter things.

35:09 There's a lot coming over the next few weeks to Bravo. So, Ladies of London comes back on March 5th. uh season 23 of top chef comes back march 9th and i didn't care about uh top chef until i met kristen kish on the traders and now she has my heart forever so i'm gonna watch it this season um yeah secret lives of mormon wives comes back and their entire fourth season drops on march 12th the real housewives of rhode island premieres april 2nd and then the real housewives of atlanta comes back for season 17 on april 5th and i'm so excited like i cannot wait yeah a lot I'm very excited for Rhode Island I like I'm excited for a new franchise like it's been a long time and it the trailer looked really good so my biggest concern is telling them apart I agree but I did the same thing with uh Secret Lives and Mormon Wives like I just recently started being able to like differentiate between those girls so like I'm sure it'll come eventually um but uh Marie or I'm Either either one of you guys, Marie and do you guys have a like a particular one that you're the most excited about? I mean, for Marie, I feel like it's Rhode Island. And do you have a favorite one you're excited about?

36:27 No, because I don't really watch any of them anymore. I mean, just the Mormon wives. I really need to catch up. I'm pretty, you know, for recapping reality TV. i guess i need to up my game a little bit no that's fair i get it so i guess secret lives of mormon lives is your answer yes that's okay um also you didn't have on your list you ever watch southern hospitality no i want to get into it this coming week oh is it yeah i think it's like wednesday i don't know it's sometime this week is the new season and i loved it if you have time i highly recommend it it's very good yeah i'll check it out i like i i've been meaning to get into like southern charm and southern hospitality and like summer house and like the the like not core housewife shows because i think there's a lot of there's a lot of fun there it's just like finding the time to commit to it is a lot but no i i i'll probably check southern hospitality out because it's uh it does seem very drama fueled and i like that i like mess and i like drama yeah it's very good and it's quick and like yeah i like it okay i'll check it out um marie you put on the list for this episode uh whitney levitt's z -way interview yes what do you like what do you have what are

38:00 your thoughts what do you have to say about that OK, so I never listened to Z -Way interview people before Whitney Leavitt and I just started seeing clips. So I did like go watch some other ones, too. And I kind of then like understood a little bit more of how she asked questions and like she'll even repeat some of the questions, you know, that she asked Whitney. I don't know. I kind of realized like Whitney's not that funny. Like Whitney tries to be like very funny, but like when I watched some of Z -Way's other interviews, like people were quick and like came back at her with like funny answers or like played along with what she had to say in a way that like almost made it, like if you ever watched the like Between Two Ferns interviews, like it almost made it a little bit of like that kind of comedy that's like, dry and um i don't know what you want to say like but whitney like wasn't quick enough so it made it super awkward like she didn't and she doesn't know anything about current events like nothing she doesn't and she also didn't know what the first amendment was which i struggled with that was that was a lot yeah what i think i recognized was someone who was deeply trying to like not be problematic in a way that they could put whatever she was saying online and like clip it out or whatever like whether or not it was taken out of context i think she tried to be within those safe lines but i think the

39:32 magic of z -way is i think if you're a good sport about it i think z -way will give you a lot to work with um and i z -way is genuinely like i i if i if she pops up on my timeline i will 1000 of the time watch her i think she's one of the most hysterically funny people on cod's green earth and it's it's shocking to me how young she is and like she's so quick and like yeah there's like a deep wit to her that like a lot of people don't like that takes a long time to develop so i'm she's very impressive to me but like whitney was deeply trying like not to be problematic and it's like i thought the funniest thing was like when she was um when z was like how many black friends do you have and she goes i have three it's just like oh uh -huh that's i don't think that's the answer she was looking for and two of them were layla and z -way so yeah yeah yeah no her like immediate thing which like no one ever wants to hear is oh my best friend's black and i'm like that's like the best friend you went on a mission with okay yeah like that is like like textbook like of like the answer you don't want from a white person like why would you like like oh you went right there you went right and fell into like that like what i don't know but I do think for, like, as bumpy as it could have been, I think Whitney went in trying to be a good sport. Because what I will give Whitney is that she, I think, knows who she is.

41:03 And, like, I think she gets the perception and how it's developed over time. And when she was like honest about like, yeah, I only came back on the show to go on, to go on Dancing with the Stars. I was like, I appreciate her saying that because like, I'm not interested in this whole thing of like, I just really want mom talk to be a family. No, you don't. That's not a real thing. And like, I like, I like Taylor and I like Whitney, like being honest about that. Right. Yeah. I agree. And that's what we've talked about. We love Whitney when Whitney's honest. Yeah. We cannot stand Whitney. in a lot of other instances but when she's honest it's like okay that's who you are like we're good about it but there's definitely some things where like oh my god like i i do also find her annoying um but i do like when she's honest she's that like millennial cringe kind of almost that like i i get why people think she's annoying but like i bet if you're friends with her like because i think back to there was one very specific episode where i think the girls were going to um to new orleans and uh jen didn't go to new orleans with them because she was like she was going through it like in her marriage and like she was newly pregnant and whitney came over and like cleaned up the house for her and like she was like i'm gonna be late i was like she's a good friend so like i think yeah I think she doesn't let people into that space on the show sometimes. And like, if I go a little bit deeper, I assume it's because there's part of her life that she's trying to

42:34 protect, just given like how there was trouble in her marriage and there was like, there was a lot going on. So I would imagine that she's just not that comfortable. Like as much as she's put out there, I don't know if she's that comfortable yet. So like, I would like to get to know the real Whitney. Yeah. Agree. Yeah. And I, I have seen myself in Whitney and like, we've talked about this sometimes is because like, I feel like she's very honest to the point of like, she understands that she's not truly friends with these women. Like she is on a TV show with them and she does mom talks with them, which gets them likes and gets people to their TikTok.

43:16 So like. Okay. It's not like she's using them. I don't want to say that, that, but it's like, I feel like she more honestly understands the relationship. Okay. She's honest about the dynamic. Her relationships and the dynamic is the way I sometimes can see relationships and dynamics and it makes other people uncomfortable because other people get close to each other a lot faster. Like I, I just don't until I see. her like from that perspective because she's like i don't get it we i i showed up i did the things we were supposed to do i'm doing this show i i'm i'm having the dinner i'm doing this stuff like why do you need me to then send you text messages because like in her head that's that's fake like because okay she's not truly friends with them she has her friends like kind of thing i don't So that's the perspective I get from it because I don't I don't like easily like pull people into my circle. So I kind of like see that with her. It's like this is my job. And so she has a job boundary in relationship with these people.

44:31 Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I'm probably projecting, but that's how I know. I think that's fair because I think she has said that on at least one instance. I can remember where they were. they were, I think they went to stage coach and like, she showed up at the house that they were filming in. And she was like, I'm going to do some tech talks real quick. Cause I'm like contractually obligated to, and like, granted she wasn't getting along with the women at that time, but like, I think, and your perspective is actually very fair. And I've never thought about it that way, but like. I think from my perspective, it's like, why can't she be friends with these women? Because I look at people like Michaela and Macy, who I love their friendship. And that is a real, genuine friendship. And it was the same way at one point. I want to believe it was the same way at one point with Demi and Jessie. I don't know that Demi ever had a genuine bone in her body. But I like to see that kind of friendship. blossom a little bit and like and i i hope we get more of those genuine friendships because andy cohen's talked a lot about this we're like the best housewife shows are the ones where you know the women are friends in real life and it's like i think that's why we struck a little bit with beverly hills with with orange county with um with some of the the housewives in miami where like you know that they don't hang out like yes what are we doing here so like i hope that we get more of that especially with um with oh god miranda coming back to back into the group because i think she's just a cool girl and i can't wait to get to know

46:02 more about her yeah yeah miranda's like i have a crush on her she is like you too i'm like god she's hot like she is so yeah there's not an ugly one on that cast like let's just call no they're all gorgeous but like miranda's like there's just something about her where i'm like you are cool like i want to be your friend yeah i feel like she's cool and almost a little dorky which makes her even cooler like all maybe that's what it is yeah yeah i don't know what it is but yeah it's like a genuineness though it's like this is who i am what are you gonna do yeah i met out with taylor what are you gonna do yeah yeah exactly i love it um so and i'm assuming you didn't watch the finale of the traitors or the reunion no okay that's okay well then marie tell us what you think about it i just grieved at the i think i already i mean i was just like so annoyed that like i couldn't get Maura to like hear me or like believe Tara Tara like I was just like come on I like so many times I kept thinking Tara got her like Tara is gonna pull her over outside she's gonna believe it but then I think as soon as we found out that Maura was getting on that helicopter with Rob I was like nope it's done like they shouldn't have left those two go together yes and i was like oh wrong move wrong move guys like he is going this is it this is like the final straw

47:33 like yeah he's gonna have her i this season from start to finish was lightning in a bottle like it was nothing short of like cinema i loved every second of it um I felt so bad at the very end, though, when Maura was like, I feel so stupid. I'm like an idiot. Like, because I was like, oh, that's real. Because I think I was watching some TikTok where she was like, I think in her mind, she thought she was going to get like the Boston Rob ending where like, she ends up with Rob Rauch and like, they live happily ever after, which, by the way, I would love that too, Rob Rauch, if you're listening. But like, I... i i was like oh she's she feels embarrassed and that sucks like that really sucks and like yeah there was something about like when she looked at him and she said don't don't speak stop talking like i was like oh she's taking back her power a little bit because like she's mad like yeah yeah yeah yeah i was just like because she stood there for so long and she just i think in the reunion she said i just thought he was gonna say i'm kidding like she just could not like nothing was going to convince her that he was a traitor like she just was so 100 on board with like knowing that he was a faithful with her like and the whole house fell under his spell yeah you know what i mean by the way i would have to like let me just be real with you he

49:05 could have murdered me and i would have been like that's my fault that's on me So I don't judge me, but I watch this with my eight and six year old. Like it has become our show. So they love it. It's not like we're watching Love Island with them. Like it's fine. I know. And so my six year old, she was like, I just love his hair. And my eight year old's like, I think it's his face. And I'm like, oh God, even my children are like falling for him. he is annoyingly attractive like that's the problem is like he's so classically handsome and like he's got that like i like to go catch snakes in the backyard like he's so hot and i'm like what oh my god there's nothing there's nothing hotter yeah and then he ended up actually being semi -intelligent too you know like with the commiserate thing yes yes i loved when he was like i can't stand this that is not the definition of that word he's he's read a dictionary like yeah he knows definitions so proud of him oh my god uh but yeah it was uh it was a good one though it was a good ending but it was it had me feeling things like i was very upset like it it it was like exciting but it also like made me sad i was like oh i just felt so bad for her i agree because

50:36 like for me it was like i remember seeing the first season where the traitor won and i was like i didn't i didn't like that i also that that cast didn't work together like i thought it was it was a strange group of people but like yeah but then like you see season two and season three and like season three that you couldn't have picked a better group of people to win i mean dolores and and gabby windy like i couldn't get enough of that so like I was like, okay, so maybe they're going to switch it up this year and, like, let a trader win. And I was like, if it is going to be any... I mean, they had good traders this year. Lisa Rinna, Candice, and Rob. Like, great traders. I agree, though.

51:18 I was like, I didn't want... Because, like, I... didn't think I was gonna like Johnny and Tara as much as I did they they grew on me and I was like I did like them going to the end yeah like they were and especially after like you found out that they were like I mean after we knew it but like as soon as they like were honest about being friends I was like oh they're yeah I like their friendship like I was kind of like how didn't people know this I don't know like I mean I guess I grew up with like you're a little bit younger so like you don't i don't know like that was like my olympics was like tara lapinski and like i knew like they've been you know like friends and everything but no one seemed to like get that i'm like i don't know i thought everyone knew that i remember something after that olympics like i i knew they were like in the same world because like the figure skating world is like the size of a postage stamp but like i didn't realize they were like best best best friends and like i i like i like i just i thought they were like co -workers i guess like but no i thought like i love their friendship i think it's so cool yeah yeah yeah um sorry that you didn't like it ann i wish i had i wish i had i didn't watch it it's not that i didn't like it i just she needs to because i'll watch it let's add that to my list you guys are a survivor family yeah oh if you're like survivor and stuff so i'm like between you knowing all the housewives and knowing survivor like you're gonna know way

52:50 more cast members than i even do because i don't watch big brother or survivor so yeah i don't want to say big now that they're on like their 50th season or whatever like i can take it or leave it but um with With the traitors, like I think it was season two, I was watching in the office that Emma and I shared and like I was like gasping at like someone getting murdered or something. And Emma like literally turns around and looks at me. She goes, well, they really found their target audience here. In the ongoing joke with that show, because it's like I get deep into that. I love the traitors. Yeah, I do too. I really like it. And I need you to watch it. Like when you do watch it, I want you to come back on and I want us to unpack it together.

53:37 All right, I will. So we also revisited the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in honor of season four dropping next week. So I thought, all right, this wasn't really my idea. This was Marie and Anne's idea that we kind of like revisit the last three seasons and hit some really highlights. Because why not? And then I also just started being able to tell the women apart because Jesse, Demi, and Taylor, in my mind, were all exactly the same person. Now it's kind of it's refreshing to be able to watch that through the eyes of being able to differentiate them. Yeah, it's so funny you say that because I went back and watched each of them to like refresh myself and kind of like fast forwarded through a little bit. And my first note was like, how did I ever get Jesse and Demi mixed up? Because like now, like I can totally tell. But that first season.

54:37 I was bad. Like, I could not tell them apart for anything. It was so crazy. I was bad until the middle of season three. Yeah. Oh, wow. See, I always knew. I mean, there was moments that I was like, oh, wow, they do really resemble each other. But I feel like since Jessie has really gotten a lot of work done, I think she's looking more like Denise. Really? Yes. Like, there was a TikTok that they had posted. I really did not know if it was Jessie or Demi in the TikTok. I mean, it was Jessie because they weren't even speaking to Demi, but I could not believe how much she resembled her. I'm looking her up on Instagram right now because I... Oh, you're right. Okay. No, it's like the most recent Instagram she's posted. I'm like, oh, I 100 % see what you're talking about. Yeah. it's crazy well getting into it then um so we started with season one episode seven the book of trust and i think one of my favorite things going back and like seeing the first seasons of um like any any housewives any any show like this is like before they were like conscious of the fact that they were on camera because like you see like some like some of the hair that they're doing and like and i'm

56:08 just like oh they're just throwing it all at the wall and hoping for the best yeah and like someone like go ahead someone like jesse like who does hair and like she's so good at it like when they were in vegas i was like diva what is going on yeah yeah she had like that weird updo but like yeah had had clip it or um had her extension so like yes you could like i where i was like what is happening i didn't even like realize it the first time i watched it i don't think but i was like i did that i that stood out to me like a lot this time yeah no that was like one of my biggest pet peeves like And every time that that camera went at one of the girls, you could see their, like, extension. And I'm like, what is happening? Can we please fix this?

57:04 This was a thing with Layla, like, up until season three, though, where, like, the producers did her dirty on that show. Oh, yeah. You could see, like, the tape and extensions. Like, I felt, oh, I agree. Yeah. I typically, I'll be honest, I typically take, like, deep, detailed notes about, like, each of the episodes I watch, but, like, I also watch these this morning, like, so forgive me if I miss anything. And feel free to jump in with anything. But, um, so this was the episode where they're kind of, like, it's the aftermath of the Vegas thing, and they, like, go to Chippendales, and Zach's doing his whole being on the cross thing about, like, how he can't be with someone who's doesn't have morals or whatever and like I think back to like I've been to Vegas I've been there many times I've been to one of these shows and my I guess my question is is like do you think these women are like going in and like hooking up with these men like is that what you think is happening like because like that's it's yeah it's the whole thing is it's like it's a fantasy it's one night we watch these guys dance for an hour and it's like we have something crazy to talk about at work the next week like what right it's not that big of a deal right yes yeah I was so frustrated again, going back. I was just, I think also because of the way they clipped it together with him sitting at the poker tables. And I was like, it almost seemed like going back, he started a fight just so he'd have the entire night to himself to gamble without interruption. You know,

58:35 like I was like, or he just felt guilty. So he's like, I have. to find what she's doing wrong so that i don't feel as guilty doing my interesting okay you know like that's how i saw it the second time through yeah i was that's actually a really good point i never thought about that i mean yeah i mean he like he does seem to like have a better redemption story than some of the other guys um i agree you know as the seasons have gone on but man going back to this i was like whoa he was he was something yeah i said this was the episode that zach made like america hate him i agree i was literally about to say that because like yeah i forgot how nasty it was um yes and then what else happened i'm like the things he was texting her yeah yeah he said he doesn't have her anymore he sent her all yeah yeah i don't love you like i'm gonna take your kids away from you um like crazy stuff yeah like i forgot how bad it was yeah like it was and like i think because i always get curious about like the behind the scenes stuff and i'm like oh he was willing to say this when he knew cameras were rolling how bad does it get when the cameras go down yep like yes exactly um and yeah that

1:00:07 was rough yeah i also noted because obviously we now know everything that has happened up through season three but Jesse was hard going for Zach and Jen's marriage and talking about how, how can you be like this? Like how can you be like this? Like she was big on making Jen feel really bad about the fact that like she wasn't standing up for herself, that she like left, that like she had a lot to say. And I'm like, wow, you were behind the scenes in a. abusive relationship right because we now know how jordan treated you and jordan has not had a redemption story like jordan is still out there on podcasts saying well she's wrong too well you don't know how she is like i yeah it was interesting going back i think that jesse was 100 projecting there because like i think i think if there if if the if the fighting between jesse and uh jordan was bad before like i imagine that what what happened with marciano only made it a million times worse so like if it if it was going on like i would imagine like it was something that jesse could let go but like it was enough to make her project onto um jen what she wishes she could have said i but lord have mercy like that entire that whole

1:01:40 thing with jen and zach i was like i'm glad that they like figured it out but like i don't know that i could have come back from that honestly like like hearing that you don't love me anymore i'm like well bye yeah yeah yeah i know it was really really bad i cannot imagine um so the next morning they're all like getting up they're all doing their thing and like i i love that uh what's his face the taylor's guy um dakota oh my dakota yes thank you uh dakota calls her and she answers the phone and she's like yeah we went but we went backstage with these guys and then he's like well you didn't tell me that last night and she goes i'm telling you now yeah i loved her yeah i love everything about taylor i think what i do believe about taylor is what you see is a thousand percent what you get like i don't think there's i don't think she puts on any type of like anything for this show i think i don't even think she has a hulu subscription i think she's never seen the show i think that she's just being silly in herself yeah yeah i love her a hundred percent she does not yeah there's no like games with her there's no nothing she just is like is what it is i think i said it before i was like you know when people say like oh they're playing chess and i'm playing checkers whatever i was like with her it's like the rest of the cast is trying to play chess and she's playing chutes and ladders like it's just whatever comes goes like she has no like

1:03:13 she's not she does not care anything anything no yeah yeah i love it i love it so much um and then i'm gonna be super honest i do not remember what happened after that so you guys take over from um for that not a time it was a lot of a lot of little stuff here and there like i think dakota ended up like coming in the house and he wanted to go talk to taylor and she like broke down hysterically crying because she was like pregnant i think she was like 12 days out from her due date or something um uh that was about it like that was the next biggest thing like there was literally nothing it was like macy and mikaela trying to figure out the name brand of a couch and like it was like weird little things like there was nothing else much in the episode that was like worth of note yeah so yeah i think the only other thing that happened was dakota coming in and talking to um taylor like he like broke in when she passed me yeah when she was like napping yeah and then he just like went she was sleeping lord have mercy i he's like i dakota's another one that like i want to like him i really really do because i'm like i think there's something so sweet about like this like oh i'm from iowa or whatever but like there's just something there where i like i i can't i can't with him it's just it's no i know i that's i said the same thing about dakota like

1:04:44 i feel like you constantly want to keep giving him chances because i'm like oh he's going to change this time he's going to do better and then uh at the last reunion i was just like i'm done i'm done like you can't anymore like i've never seen anything like it yeah that was awful awful but well the other sick part is like I have to imagine it's a little different from the housewives where everyone is tied to a housewife. I have a feeling Dakota's got to be his own cast member or something because I don't see how he keeps getting back on this show. Yeah. After all that, I'm like, what are you doing? He's someone where I get mad at how many chances everyone's willing to give him and he's still able to mess it up. I'm like, you can't get out of your own way, dude. That's hard. yeah yeah he's not my favorite at all no but yeah i don't have much else for that one i don't think there was a lot okay um so then for season two we chose episode seven again the book of gratitude and i liked this episode i liked it a lot um yeah um so I remember like calling this out when, when Emma and I covered this episode on bestie approved, but like, I see Taylor getting out of that bag when she goes to Dakota's Airbnb. I'm sorry.

1:06:15 She gets out of her car when she goes to Dakota's Airbnb and she's wearing that go yard bag out. Like I have never seen a bag as much as I've seen Taylor Frankie Paul with that go yard, like tote constantly. Yeah. But I like, I wrote, I also remember this was a big thing for Emma. Like Dakota didn't have baby wipes at his house. Yes. I wrote like, this is the episode where they let poor Ever like in a shitty diaper because they don't even have enough like thought process to be like, oh, we could use the paper towels and wet them. Like there was other things that could have happened. Like, yes. Should the man have had baby wipes at his house? 100 % like being a parent, we have baby wipes. We had baby wipes everywhere. Like they were just constantly all over the place. I couldn't imagine running out of them, but like there are other ways to clean up a baby besides let them sit in a shitty diaper. There are like, you can figure it out, but they didn't. It was weird to me. can i be so real with you i the entire time i was like i don't see what the big deal is like i like and then emma was like you're an idiot like don't say that out loud because i don't i don't like it like what am i gonna do with that oh my gosh like you didn't think it was a big deal that they didn't change his diaper or like that he

1:07:48 didn't have baby wipes that he didn't have baby wipes because i was like oh surely he's just gonna go get him if he needs him like yeah right but i also like i think i'm giving him a lot of credit there so i could be wrong i don't know because i mean that wasn't like top of my thing that like yeah like there were things that we forgot all the time i can't even tell you how many times we went somewhere and forgot a bottle or you know just something a diaper something so stupid So, I mean, it happens. But I mean, like, I get what Marie's saying. Like, yeah, take them and hose them off in the bathroom, like in the tub. You know what I mean? Use a towel, wipe them off. Like, I don't know. There were so many things like they made this into be way more than what it needed to be. That was the part that annoyed me, which is how long they like kept filming and like wouldn't get this poor kid out of his wet, shitty diaper. There are other ways to clean up a butt than wet wipes.

1:08:50 I think that was the part that like drove me insane. Yeah. The other thing, when you said about Taylor's bag, did you, the Amazon Prime commercial that like Jesse and Demi had where Jesse goes over to her house to wrap Christmas gifts. oh yeah and they have two prime boxes on the porch they're like we love amazon prime it's so fast and like they bring them in and they show her cutting through the amazon prime tape and i was like was that this episode wow like i think so that's the one i took no oh i like i don't i mean i have the dakota diaper thing too so it should be the same it was like the beginning it was one of the first things yeah i must have fully just like because i remember what you're talking about but like i didn't even clock that but like i remember when i saw that i was like okay this is a sponsored episode yeah yeah like big time yeah it was right before taylor went over to dakota's place okay that that is that is so funny i like i didn't even oh no i do have that like okay so i literally wrote I have a note here saying Jesse goes to Demi's house. I didn't pay attention to this scene.

1:10:09 That's literally what I wrote. Okay. Got it. There was nothing else of importance that happened in it, but I just needed to know how ridiculous their like product placement commercial like was. It was so dumb. Yeah. I get that Jeff Bezos money, I guess, whatever it takes. Yeah. Demi and Layla are talking and Layla and Cam I guess had a fight so bad that Layla's flying solo at Friendsgiving which sucks because like I'm the single guy at every event like I so I feel for her what she's going through especially because like she's had this guy and it's like whatever and it's like well okay like I guess I'm not bringing him like I hate that like Looking back on their relationship, I mean, Cam was never the right guy for her. Layla's way too hot for him. 100%. Layla could have anyone she wanted.

1:11:09 Also, looking back on it, Miranda's ex, Chase's brother, when they were dating, I guess they broke up. Chase's brother is hot. I hate that they broke up. so i guess uh layla had invited whitney and then she wasn't sure about inviting jen and like it's funny like looking back on this because like i remember hating whitney i don't remember why i hated whitney and then it's like i remember hating jen and i couldn't really remember why i hated jen either so it's funny what these shows do to you and then like i like had to jog my memory so like it was i mean jen was just a liar that's why i didn't like her like i still don't remember why i hated whitney but um yeah like so but they're talking and like i and i don't remember what made me write this down but like i uh oh no it's because demi said so demi said she feels like taylor is triggered by her success and i was like demi you need to shut your mouth like because i know i've always hated demi yeah yes i did like demi demi whatever how in the very beginning the first season the first couple episodes i liked her and i liked how she called out like everyone and and then then i didn't like it was bad like i liked her and then instantly i was over it okay i i guess i can see that because like there does there does feel like if you don't know her there does

1:12:40 feel like there's an honesty there but like yeah yeah um do you know who brett's ex -wife is by the way do you know who brett's ex -wife yes angie harrington harrington yes yeah oh yes yes yeah I was like I would love to know more about that which surprises me because it's like I yeah I obviously know he's older but like Angie Harrington just seems like in a fully different generation than to me you know what I mean so like it doesn't even seem like only like 40 something she's not that old oh is she I don't know it just like they seem like two different worlds for some reason and I guess it's just because housewives to me is like in this kind of like generation whereas sure the secret lives women like are so young I mean a lot of them are still like in their 20s I think Demi's a little it triggers me every time they put their age up on the screen I'm like shut up stop when it's like 23 and they're like oh my life could be over and i'm like your life hasn't even started what are you talking about you already have 17 kids shut up yeah yes um so crazy but um i guess part of the the charm of them being young is that they've never gone through a car wash because michaela and macy go through a car wash and michaela's scared of the car wash and like i didn't i remember not really liking michaela yet at this point so i was like mad i was like everything is a put on

1:14:14 show and like now that i like michaela i can get over that but lord have mercy yeah and then we find out that michaela's gonna start baking sourdough just to beat whitney's sourdough and yeah and i like petty i like that part i could have gone with i like petty i don't i like i don't like this like weird competitive like i'm just like this felt put on for the show yeah yeah oh i'm sure it was yeah yeah but she just hates whitney so much i was just kind of like yeah do whatever you want but you know to get back at her i don't know fair why did why did michaela hate whitney so much like that i could not remember because they were good friends and then she didn't tell her she was leaving the group chat and just ghosted everyone including who was like her best friend remember then Whitney showed up to Michaela's birthday didn't even talk to Michaela and went and talked to Macy yes Macy yes yes i okay that that feels familiar you're right there this show like the time i i've talked to emma about this before we're like the timeline feels so compressed that like you know a lot has happened but like i could not place where anything has happened i i feel like i do remember exactly what you're talking about though um then demi and brett go to that baking

1:15:47 store and i could have done without this scene until you get the hot mic moment like i did not need to see them getting dick candies that was weird that was i also hate when brett calls her demetria like i'm just like i don't yeah i don't know if i remember that wait is that like any real name i don't know if it's her real name but like anytime she does anything like scandalous he'll go demetria and i'm like uh oh yeah i didn't catch that um but then the cameras go down audio keeps rolling and brett is acting super guilty and he keeps doing the whole you know i'd never do that you know i'd never do that and like demi literally goes it makes you sound more guilty when you keep saying it stop talking about it like yeah like yeah that was a lot um i did like to see their like off -camera dynamics though like i love oh yeah to like actually see how she talks to him when a camera is not in her face and how he reacts i was like oh i like this i i did get that a little bit too where i was like oh you can tell that they like pre -plan what they're going to show to the cameras it's not like taylor at all like it's it's the polar opposite yep yeah um we go over to michaela's house and we see that she's hired someone to teach her how to make sourdough just to be like i don't need that um and then we go over and

1:17:19 see whitney and connor baking and zach shows up because whitney's worried about jen and she's crying in the bed every day and apparently it's getting worse and this was hard because i feel like zach was doing the right thing by defending jen in this moment like because i was like you have to take your wife's side but like Jen was lying about everything that they were fighting about. Like from what I remember, like it just felt like she was just like making stuff up. And I was like, it's, it's, it's a, it's a rock and a hard place for Zach right now, I guess. Cause he's like, cause we get, I feel like we get this like later in the season where Zach literally looks at Jen when they're all like having a confrontation. He's like, I wish he would just be honest about like what we're talking about right now. Like. I don't know, but so I feel like in Jen's defense, I never got really upset with her because I felt like she was tiptoeing around Zach. Like she was lying just so he wouldn't get like upset with her about things. You know, I don't know. I don't feel like she ever. maybe exaggerating yeah I think I had I think we talked about that like yeah a lot of it was part yeah like I don't feel like kind of like relationship and yeah yeah like she was afraid and I'm trying

1:18:50 to remember back I know I've always kind of had a soft spot for Jen like I never really thought of her as a liar and i think that's okay we had that perspective yeah that's fair and i will say like i started to develop that soft spot like after i saw her um it was the scene where whitney went over to jen's house i was like oh she's not eating like she she's in a bad bad bad place right now like i i did develop that for i'll give you that yeah yeah um and then so zach said he knows that there are skeletons in jesse and demi's closets and then jesse's going out or i'm sorry demi was going out of her way to get a cease and desist to stop jen from talking about about something and i like i remember the cease and desist coming up i don't remember what was it over the fruity pebbles thing i think it was actually from the season three stuff where they were at vanderpump villa um yeah i didn't want her talking about the things that happened yeah and i don't think it ever materialized i think that was one of jen's um like embellishing the yes that is yes that one i'll buy a hundred percent yeah well i never came i they could never like it could never materialized i'm not saying it wasn't threatened but like a cease and desist was never delivered or as we know no because she kept bringing it up right

1:20:22 it was a threat yeah because demi would consistently say well show it show the show the you know the papers or whatever and there was you're right you're right you're right um god like that that that feels like a lifetime ago but that was literally like last year when this happened yeah uh um it is such a short timeline Yeah. Layla goes to Swig to meet Cam. And I love the Swig product placement because like it's it is also my happy place. And Cam isn't sure if Layla loves him because just because of the dynamic in their relationship and Layla opens up about people not sticking around in her life and like that kind of. paints a lot of like how her relationships go and like that i hate that for her like i want leila to have nothing but like no joy and happiness and love like because she deserves all of it and like i oh that sucks and then we go over to see dakota and some man playing basketball i disassociated for this entire scene i have no idea what they talked about yeah yeah that was that was i didn't take any notes on that scene i was like whatever um we get to friendsgiving and I loved, like, just, like, the decoration, like, the aesthetic of the entire event. Like, it looks incredible. Layla's sister shows up.

1:21:53 She's gorgeous. Mikayla bakes, like, a bunch of stuff, and one of them's a pumpkin pie with Jesus' face on it. And the cinnamon rolls that look... Not hot cheese. um the cinnamon rolls looked incredible and I remember being annoyed because I was like I hate Michaela at this time but like I wanted to try those cinnamon rolls so like that was a weird place to be in those sourdough cinnamon rolls I know I would have chose that to be sampled not what did she I was annoyed that she chose this stupid pie with this Jesus face on it I was like why would you do that why would you choose that she chose the pie yeah she should have chose the cinnamon rolls yay jesus i guess i don't know um and then poor layla with her pumpkin pie was not being fully cooked and i was like oh yes oh god um yeah she should have bought something like taylor did right taylor bought something from the store i thought that was the funniest thing on god's green i was like god this is I love her so much.

1:23:04 She stopped at the Trader Joe's on the way there, and I was like, you cannot stop being perfect in my mind. I love her so much. So then... I feel like I focused a lot on what people made. Like, Miranda's blueberry coffee cake looked really, really good. Macy made peanut butter bars with Joseph Smith standing on top of them. And I remember asking Emma about this. Like, do you think that they have, like, just stores with, like, Mormon paraphernalia, like, around Utah? Oh, probably. That's so funny. I bet, yeah. I 100%, yeah. Like, there's such, like, a specific character to put on, like, i think it's like it's like with the christian religion like i can't think of like or like with with islam like you're not putting muhammad like on your peanut butter bars like yeah i don't know right but i don't know uh and then demi made a better than what cake with dicks all over it and like i was so annoyed because i googled what was in this cake and i would have i would have eaten it like it was my last meal and I didn't miss Connor saying that the dick cake was a total turn on and the penises didn't bother him. And I was like, sure, girl. Didn't bother him at all. I bet they didn't. Nope. What were you going to say, sir? I nothing I just I Connor like grew

1:24:38 on me I hated him the first season like yeah I still like have in the back of my head of like who he was and I'm like I I don't I always have a hard time believing someone actually changed but I think he definitely changed for the cameras and so like I like the character he is now and I always like his little speeches and I fell in love with like um you know like when he told his backstory and all of that stuff like i'm a sucker for somebody's sad backstory i agree like you're gonna get me every time with it so you know i agree no i i think with with connor i think the problem that i had with him is like i knew we weren't getting the real him and i think when he fixed everything that happened with uh with Whitney and like I think that he made right by her I wholeheartedly believe like what we're seeing is is the real Connor now like I'll give him that like he did grow on me I hope so yeah yeah yeah um Layla ended up bringing up the confession she got about Brett and like Brett looks so furious for a second I was like oh he's breaking character like he's like we're getting the real him and um Macy said she regretted sharing it with the girls because because of this and I was like no you don't like I like Macy but I was like don't pretend like you don't live for this come on yeah yeah um and then that like got brushed over fairly quickly I felt like

1:26:10 but then Taylor starts to break down about the Dakota situation and say what you will about these men like and really the entire group I was so impressed by the way they really rallied around Taylor to support her and they really tried to build her up and lift her up and I thought that was just really cool to see because I was like you know they talk about like what mom talk is supposed to be and like what what the heart of it is and I was like, oh, this is what they're talking about. That's really cool to see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that also. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was a good ending and it was like perfect for the Friendsgiving like theme. I agree. I agree. It was, it was a perfect bow on that because like it was, I think getting there was like, like I could have done without like probably 40 % of this episode, but I was like, I'll take it because of the end of it. um yeah but yeah so then uh season three episode nine the book of judgment what did you guys think about this episode i didn't like this one as much i didn't understand why it was so popular because i you know like i had just chosen things that imdb showed as like rated high and i was just like i don't know meh yeah i i felt like my favorite from season three I don't know what my favorite from season three was. Like I, cause I, I felt

1:27:40 like season three, like was thrown together in a way that like, I think they were trying to get, get it like airing very quickly. Like I'm going to be really honest. Like I kind of like tune most of this episode out. I'm not going to lie to you. So you guys can talk about whatever you want with it. Cause like this one, I was like, well, this was. when yeah i kind of were like i made really quick notes on this one because i was just kind of like okay an et episode devolves into chaos next scene taylor tells her mom about dakota and the family member like where he had like a relationship with one of their best friends that they treated like a family leanne's hugging her purse in a corner like i was just like it was just kind of like weird little scenes all clipped together that like yeah Yeah. Leanne is one of our favorite characters. Like we always, yeah. Really? We just think she's hilarious.

1:28:39 Not favorite as in we like her. Favorite as in we love to hate her. Like we think she's just hilarious of like how thirsty she is as a mom. And just like how terrible she treats Taylor. Like it's something. Yeah. The whole dynamic of Leanne is just insane to me. Like I love. the many faces of Leanne going from season one to now I'm like okay girl get it like and we sit here and we talk about this because I feel for Taylor or not Taylor Jessie so much like I think Jessie again all the girls are stunning yeah but what she's constantly doing to herself like you know and I know people are so hard on her about it but if I was a public figure I would be doing the same freaking crazy bullshit. I know I would. I would be picking myself apart.

1:29:36 I'm on my third nose right now. I don't want to hear anything from anyone about plastic surgery. I support it. I want everyone to get whatever elective surgery they want. I don't care. That's how I am. I agree 100 % because I know if I had the money and again, you're constantly looking at yourself in the screen. I'd be like, oh, I can change that. I can do this. So, yeah, we're for it. With Jessie, I think it goes a little bit deeper, too, right? Because she works in the beauty industry. And, like, there's, like, you're looking in a mirror all day. And, like, there are, I mean, and it's, like, part of it, like, she's not part of the church anymore. But, like, the church will put deeply into you. Like, and it's not just the Mormon church. Like, a lot of churches are this way where it's, like, your only job as a woman is to be an attractive.

1:30:26 good wife and like so like I think some of that stuff is very deeply ingrained and I I can understand why someone like Jessie who is gorgeous to begin with I don't think she needed I don't think she needed a syringe of Botox in her but like if she wants to go get it I understand why she feels like she not not not needs to but I understand why I understand where that comes from I guess yeah yeah yeah for sure i could not stand i don't know how i would react if i had to look at myself i who knows you know because i don't i gotta tell you like i don't have people commenting on my face so i can't even imagine what that would be like all the time yeah the way that people are so comfortable like just saying whatever they want online about about women especially because like guys don't get it as bad but like the way people are just like well like she needs to do this she needs to lose 10 pounds and i'm like how about you shut the hell up yeah it's disgusting i would yeah i would be a hot mess i would not be able to read the comments because i uh yeah i don't think i could handle that no that's awful and then i don't know why i'm saying and then i i wrote zero notes for this episode they just keep rehashing yeah they just keep rehashing the halloween party that happened in season one and um about the shove and they keep

1:31:58 talking about that um well that's it i'm like let's move on that was because uh i miranda gets a fight with demi about it Because she's like, why are you calling it a shove? Like, let's chill out about what actually happened kind of thing. Yeah. Well, it wasn't like I remember Taylor do Jimmy Kimmel. I remember like that entire thing where like, I think Emma and I said this on the podcast too, where I was like. she knows exactly what she's doing running up the stairs saying he put his hands on me Brett like you were a monster and like I should have known in that moment who Demi was and like it's just like who are you trying to prove this like this whole shove thing like it happened yeah it happened like season one or season two like who are you who was this for oh yeah yeah yeah anyway I don't know and then she believes her own stuff like she believes it but i don't even feel like he shoved her like i felt like he like grabbed the side of her waist or something and was like where's your husband or whatever he said i don't even know what yeah where's your husband yeah yeah i think he just touched her yeah yeah as he walked past like hey where's your husband yeah no in my mind it was like he was walking through and she was there and he said okay i'm like put his hand on like her like wherever and that was the

1:33:28 end of it in my mind and i'm like and granted i think we were supposed to see chase in a very different light than we do now because like i you can't tell me chase is not one of the greatest guys on god's green earth right now but like the way that they painted him to like have basically taken her out back and hit her i'm like my lord have mercy you're a chase fan yeah he was a lot i would climb him like a tree no no oh and i got so mad at me too i think he is so hot i love him i can't get enough i can't i can't why why just like i guess it's because like i'm such a big fan of like miranda and it's just like where did he even come from he he kept putting himself in situations because he wanted the fame and he wanted on the show and i guess because he wouldn't ever come out really and say what he did like he kept twisting it and taylor's like you know what you did so he was never really up front and honest about that i don't know i just feel like and then in the reunion when they had him I was like, why is Chase here? Oh, being a bartender for Dunkin' Donuts. Yes. To be fair, that was weird. I'm just not. I think I like him because of who I've seen on social media.

1:34:49 Because I will buy that the swinging thing was very hard for all of them to get past. I'll give every one of them that. I will give them all the grace about it being very, very messy and like no one really knew how to handle that situation. Whatever. I think that like looking at Chase, who he is publicly now like in like in 2026 who he's been very very honest about like i i love my gay friends i love my trans friends like i'm here for anyone who's marginalized like and i did i'll be honest i didn't expect that of him and um and i see his relationship or like yeah he and miranda got divorced i think he is trying to do right by Miranda and his kids today. And I think that's really cool to see. Yeah. I do love their videos and them being together as a family. Like I do love that for them. But then when he posts those like TikToks of like him putting his arm around Miranda and then she's just like, look, I'm just like. how many of these videos do we have to see like it is a little kitschy you're right yeah it's it's a it's it feels like they found a theme that got like a thousand likes and they leaned heavily into it yeah yeah marie what were you gonna say a second ago i'm sorry no i was just gonna say i wouldn't even i wouldn't even know that stuff about him because he annoyed me so much that like literally

1:36:20 if he shows up i'm just like swipe swipe yeah like i don't even like I don't even like watch anything he would say. So I would know nothing about his current like viewpoints or how he, you know, like I wouldn't even consume his like material to know. So that's interesting because I wouldn't have known that otherwise. It's funny that you mentioned that because like, I think the reason I did consume his viewpoints is exactly why I. it's it's exactly what i said about him when when we first met him on the show uh like it was like oh he looks like a douchebag he looks like he would treat me bad and i'm wildly into that so i'll listen to anything he says and even if i do hate him we'll see where it goes it's okay i love it i love it so stupid like oh lord We end this episode with Leanne and Taylor calling the family friend and the family friend doesn't remember a damn thing. And they call her Dory, which I thought was funny. I know. I love that.

1:37:26 Yeah. The way that like. Couple things. The way that like. she couldn't stick to a story right like where it was like well i sent him like a like a swimsuit pic i didn't think that was weird and then taylor's because taylor is someone you can't pull that with taylor's like i thought you said this like taylor remembers yeah and i was like gunned to my head you could not get me to admit what that woman admitted on the phone like i i don't you were dim now like i don't get it yep yeah she just kept saying more and more things and I was like yeah you could have just stuck with the story and it might not have even like made the show but the fact you keep admitting more and more I don't know I also like that's one of those things like because this at this point Taylor and Dakota were trying to work it out I think and I'm like if I were Dakota I would have because I because I think it all came out because he told Jordan right like Jordan and Jordan ended up telling Yeah. I would have taken it to my grave. Dakota is also someone that is dim. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, also, I think it's funny that you guys love to hate. taylor's mom because like i can't anytime she comes on the screen i want nothing to do

1:38:57 with her like when she came back for season two and she'd had work done and to look like taylor i was like i i see this for exactly what it is and you're jealous of your daughter and i don't like it it makes me uncomfortable yeah yeah yeah and that's why we like it because we like when she shows up to stuff we're like oh there's leanne like we always talk about her if she's there there's leanne just inserts herself into so many things that like if that was my mom I'd be like what the hell are you doing I the only thing she's inserted herself into where like I felt like any good came out of it was I she showed up to uh I think it's the next episode the Christmas party or some at some point in the season the Christmas party for yeah Christmas party and I was like i feel like this is the one time that i can see she is trying to defend her daughter because like she has never done that in the past right yep yeah but yeah but this it was i'll be honest it was fun to go back and re -watch these episodes because like i forgot like a just how messy secret lives of mormon wives is and be like I love to see the progression like because it's a positive and negative thing because like it's like oh you see like the real people come out but it's also like you see how much like some of the individuals are putting stuff on for the show so like I think it's just really

1:40:28 interesting to see how all that shakes out yeah yeah but yeah for sure I'm excited I can't wait for the new one to come out i can't wait you guys are more than welcome to come on to talk about it with me and emma like for whatever you want i think that is going to be a an incredible season because i think what what secret lives does very well is like if there's drama they're gonna get it and i think you're getting the the real like for the most part the real honest like they're not putting on like things like you're getting in salt lake city or like where you're getting in orange county or beverly hills where you know they're not fighting about what they're actually fighting about I like this, though. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Cool. What closing thoughts do you guys have, if any? I don't know. uh that's you murray if i can't prepare for something nothing's gonna come to the top of my head no i had fun i mean i can't wait for the next season i can't wait for everything to come out yeah i really did i would love to meet emma i would like to do this again you know if you're up for it i had a good time hopefully i didn't talk i would love to no i think this is fine like i i like bringing other people on it's like i've we've done this with husbands watching house but housewives a few times and like i i love to get their perspective because like i think they're just as into the fandom as we are but like they they go hard for different people and i like hearing other people's

1:41:59 perspectives i i i had a great time so thank you guys for coming on this is really really cool yes thanks for having us thank you thanks for having us of course tell the people where they can find you We are at Shaded Reality Pod on everything. And we have new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Love that. From Indy to the rural areas of the, you said it's the Amish people you live with, to Salt Lake City where the Mormon wives are. We love you and thank you for listening. Yeah, thank you for listening.

1:42:42 Yes. Thank you.