Smurf hormones, billionaire breakups, AI therapy, and wagon wheel watusi.

0:07 Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie Approved. What's the last song you listened to? I was literally about to ask you that. I was going to find it. Mine was Check Yes Juliet by We The Kings. That was a good one. Yeah. Mine was Lift You Up by Jessie Ware and Romy. Something dancey. How are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? You tell me. What's on your mind today? So tomorrow, I'll be 14 weeks pregnant. How's that going? And honestly, it's fine. Like, I'm fine, right? But my gums are swollen, and we had an incident. With the toilet seat. Okay, so here's the deal. I was getting ready this past weekend and I go to go pee as one does.

1:12 And I noticed that where one would sit on my toilet seat. is blue and I know it can't have been blue for very long because I clean every room in the house gets cleaned once a week so like it hasn't been that long but I was just dumbfounded because like I couldn't wipe it off because I was thinking maybe like we got new pants and like the dye stuck to our skin which stuck to the toilet seat that was my initial hypothesis but then i couldn't wipe it off and that like washes off really easily typically so against my better judgment i resort to the chat gpt because you can't just look up blue toilet seat it's gonna just try to sell you blue toilet seat right anyway so i'm like Hi, ChatGPT, my toilet seat is blue. What could that possibly be from? It's turning blue. And it said, a toilet seat turning blue, especially mysteriously such as this, can definitely be surprising. Here are the most common explanations and number one, number one on the list. hormones especially during pregnancy what it says this is the most common

2:43 and well -documented reason what what what what what it says something about increased hormone levels react with certain materials in the toilet seat that cause it to turn blue or purple it's sometimes called chrome hydrosis when sweat reacts with surfaces and can cause color changes what in the Can you imagine if that's how you found out you were pregnant, though? Like, if you didn't already know, and, like, you just Googled, why is the toilet seat blue? You're just like, everywhere I go, I'm leaving a blue toilet seat. I'm a smurf. Can you imagine? What if we were still working in our old office where, like, all the girls shared a bathroom and all the boys shared a bathroom, and one day someone's like, why the fuck is the toilet seat blue? Oh, my God. And I have to be like, oh, my God. Anyway, so. Basically, I've turned into a Martian because my sense of smell is something out of a comic book. Like I'm a superhero and I'm turning shit blue. So that's where we are in pregnancy. I'm so happy to be here with you. My God. It makes me so happy.

3:57 So you and I have an obsession with notebooks, right? Yeah, you really have an obsession with all things... School supplies. Stationery. Yeah, anything you can find in an office depot. So, do you ever do the thing where you buy a notebook because you have this, like, vision of who you want to be? Literally, no. Seriously? No, no. I get off, like, I would actually come to... finishing off a notebook and so i have notebooks that have been because i also do this thing where i buy like 13 notebooks at a time it's a problem okay like when i buy notebooks i buy 50 of them right but i i still have some laying around from probably five years ago because it's not done until like it's full and i'll just fill it with anything i'm one of those people that gets like super dramatic and will like schedule what my day should look like every single day like with time stamps and everything and so I'll like have a million of iterations of those and I'll like journal I'll do this I'll do that it's like very incoherent I hope no one ever finds my notebooks ever sure but no I don't I I love the idea of those notebooks that are like just the dots.

5:24 People were doing those forever. What are those called? Those are bullet journal. Yeah. I love those. If I were an organized lass, I would have a bullet journal. And I think they're beautiful and people are really creative with them. And I like the idea, but I just don't, I don't have it in me. So I get, um. emails because I signed up for the email list from the stationery company on TikTok called Bungu and there's this notebook that they sent me and it's it's just a notebook it's like it's fine it's $105 and I want it so bad $105 is it 5 ,000 pages um it's 700 and 700 something let me see It's 730 pages. It is a two -year notebook. What in the fuck makes it $105? The aesthetic, I think. Bungie, please sponsor the podcast. You're paying north of a dollar a page, mama. What? You're paying more than a dollar per page in the notebook. No, you're not. Yes, you are. It's 70 pages and $100. 700 pages. Did I say 70? No. Pregnancy brain. Okay,

6:55 now we know. Okay, I feel a lot better, but not really. oh my god a hundred dollars never never in my life and you can write this one down i will never spend a hundred dollars on a notebook ever i would i'd be happy to spend a hundred dollars on a notebook but um bunk you please sponsor the podcast please god we actually need it at this point it will be a financial emergency if you don't sponsor the podcast so i spent last week most of the day with you on thursday um yeah and so you left and i spent all of my time online as i always do oh i didn't at all right um i went home and i started editing the podcast and i went to bed i woke up the next morning and i found out the girls were fighting which sparked a new series that i would like to call mama let's research Because I went down a deep rabbit hole of the Donald Trump, Elon Musk timeline of their feud. So Friday, May 30th. So the Friday before last week was Elon Musk's final day as a special government employee at Doge because he wanted to find fraud, waste and abuse that.

8:21 He promised to save, what, like $20 billion, and we got nothing out of it. It's fine. They have a press conference. Donald Trump is talking about how Elon Musk's a genius and how the work of Doge will continue. He gave Elon Musk a key, and it's a gift that he reserves for, quote, very special people, and Elon Musk said it was amazing. It was compliments, compliments, compliments. Trump said that Doge employees are geniuses and everything is great and they're best friends. They're happy. I don't know where Elon Musk goes, but he leaves the White House. He's not a government employee anymore. He proceeds to take to Twitter where he calls the great big beautiful bill an abomination. And to be fair to Elon Musk, his whole thing was like, we're going to cut government spending. big, beautiful bill is going to add $2 .4 trillion to the deficit. So I get that.

9:26 And Moody's was the last holdout for the United States perfect credit rating. And back in May, they downgraded our credit. Can I just ask a question? What the fuck was his title? What gave him the right to be in the White House? a part of he was basically a part of the cabinet like i'm so confused that is a great question that no one's really been able to answer for me did he just decide one day i am a billionaire i am in charge of all of these things and so now it's my turn to go in the white house ring -a -ling -ling donnie please let me in there under the guise of cutting spending like what and also Didn't we get confirmation that he was on ketamine the whole time? Like he was fucked up the whole time he was there. I mean, he said that he was taking ketamine. Yes. Yeah. So he was tranquilized.

10:26 Take ketamine. I don't care. I am all for. Let me just put it on the record. I'm all for a little ketamine drip. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. Right. But also, do I think you need to be in the White House in your K -hole? I think you need to be at the club. Or in the safety of your home. Maybe. Or at the doctor's office. Anywhere without cameras? Really? Probably. Somewhere safe. Oh, my God. He donated, what, $300 million to Trump's campaign, and that's what gave him the authority to be a special government employee. That's fine. Oh, I'm so happy. Okay. So, calls the, or tweets that the Great Big Beautiful Bill is a disgusting abomination. Elon Musk, the spending bill contains the largest increase in the debt ceiling in U .S. history. It is the debt slavery bill. And then the U .S. Joint Economic Committee reports that the total gross national debt as of June 4th was $36 .21 trillion, which is a $1 .5 trillion year -over -year increase and a $10 .29 trillion increase from five years ago.

11:38 There's a lot going on there as far as debt goes. And then the following day, Elon Musk wakes up and he's just, he's having a time. He chooses violence. So he starts digging up old tweets from Donald Trump talking about like how the government's spending money and he's like using it as like receipts. Like, oh, I couldn't agree more, Donald. Like, what's good? Like, what are we doing? And then... Donald Trump responds at this press conference that he's at saying it's some sort of Trump derangement syndrome and that Elon Musk woke up one morning and the glamour was gone. And like that says to me like, oh, you believe that being in the Trump administration is glamorous and that's fine. I hate to polarize our crowd here. But yeah, if you support Donald Trump in any way, shape, or form, I would argue you are delusional and under the guise of a cult.

12:35 But anyway. So then, Trump says that Elon Musk knew about everything in the bill from the very beginning. and Elon Musk comes back and says this is false, which is, I know it's a stretch to think that Donald Trump could say anything false, but here we go. So Elon's little thumbs get right to work, and he starts unloading tweets directed at Trump. So the exact quote was, without me, Trump would have lost the election, Democrats would control the House, and Republicans would be 51 -49 in the Senate. And then, an hour later, He tweets the infamous tweet alleging that the real reason the Epstein files haven't been released is because Trump's name shows up on them. Which we already knew. I was so confused by that. We already knew that. They were friends. We have pictures of him with the man himself. We have pictures of him with Maxine. We have pictures.

13:30 We've had pictures of the flight logs. Who's Maxine? Ghislaine. Ghislaine Maxwell. My brain's doing funny things today. My brain is like close enough to anything. You can convince me of anything today. That's actually hilarious. I guess he regretted saying that because then he starts. feeling nostalgic about his time with his best friend he starts talking about or he starts responding to tweets that say this is a shame you guys are better than this like and he's like oh no i couldn't agree more and like he starts kind of rolling back some of what he said and then what's her face laura loomer says to elon musk like a parent who's like trying to get two kids to apologize to each other please tweet something nice about trump tonight oh please and the way that you gunned to my head you couldn't get me to tweet that like in public i i that that was a wild thing to say but like mind you the man owns twitter and you're telling him please tweet but like can you imagine being like being laura loomer and like deciding i'm the one to broker peace between donald trump and elon musk like everyone in their little circle has a god complex like everyone yes that associates with them thinks that they are the almighty power and that they can control anyone and so yeah she thought she was mommy but if you ever want if you ever just

15:02 need to have a time on twitter start scrolling through some of the replies to those tweets because like it is the most toxic uncomfortable place i've ever been in my life to the point where like i started getting pushed tweets from like all right maga and i was like i don't i i'm gonna delete no yeah they're deluded and they're crazy on twitter because they think no one can find out who they are it's the wild west yeah they are riding that dick for real it is insane anyway so Then Steve Bannon says that the federal government should, quote, initiate a formal investigation of Elon Musk's immigration status, because that's what we need to make this about right now. Like, this is going to speak to a point that I have in a minute. So the next day, Donald Trump says he isn't thinking about Elon Musk. He's letting us know that. Great. it's so toxic x yeah girl i'm not even thinking about him today i haven't even thought about him today and then later that day on air force one he reminds us that he's not thinking about i hope he does well with tesla oh my god and then he decides he's getting rid of his tesla that he was gifted on the front lawn of the white house oh i forgot about that I just, I cannot. Like, it's so Pride Month.

16:31 It's so, oh. So he's getting rid of the Tesla that he was gifted on the front lawn. Elon Musk goes and he deletes a bunch of the tweets. And then Trump says he has no desire to fix the relationship. Fine. Great. MAGA gets involved, though. And you know how they talk about constantly, like, the left is trying to. project their gender ideologies on everything so jesse waters is talking about this is how men fight you do this and then you go have sex with your girlfriend after that what's the big deal and then you've got some of the worst people on god's green earth talking about how some of you guys can't handle two high agency males going at it and it really shows and this is a direct wait this is direct communication it's fallow centric Versus indirect communication, which is gynocentric. I understand you all aren't used to it. And then another one says Trump and Elon aren't attacking one another in a way that can't be fixed. People forget how men with testicles spar. You two are watching people with balls the size of the moon debate an issue. This is what masculinity looks like. I do not understand that at all. What do you mean? It's straight white male to be petty online and tweet at each other. What do you mean? I don't for the life of me understand how. I don't understand why gender got brought into it. That's beyond me.

18:03 But is it because everyone was calling them gay? I don't think so. I don't know. But like, that's the only reason I can think of that they were. I just don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. Did you see, while we're on this, did you see the tweet? It was like the video of Donald Trump tripping on the stairs on the way onto Air Force One. After Donald Trump made one of his campaign... Yes! well joe biden tripped going up the stairs i thought the same exact thing i was like he clowned joe biden for that but i saw this tweet that was that said elon turned on his vibrator i did see that but that is god punishing you for your bad doing your sins yeah how are you gonna make fun of sleepy joe for tripping on the stairs and then do the same exact thing and not even address it i can't The whole thing's a mess. And then the long and short of it is, is that Elon Musk has taken a $34 billion hit to his personal net worth, which coincidentally is also the GDP of Iceland. Such a gross, gross thing. It's like, it would take a lot for me to feel bad for a billionaire. Like, a lot. Right. So my question at the end of this for Elon Musk is, was it worth it? Because MAGA has turned on him. You've got

19:35 far, far, far right who has turned on him. You've got the people that want him to make up who are saying, well, this is just how it goes. And that's a weird middle spot to be in. But it's like the people who supported you so deeply now hate you because you turned on. their deity, their God, whatever you want to call him, was it worth it? And to me, it's like you paid $300 million or whatever to this campaign, which immediately turned everyone with a social conscience against you. Every liberal or left -leaning person gave up their Tesla, got a Rivian or whatever, right?

20:19 And now who do you have? Right. You decided to subscribe yourself. You don't even have her. Oh, that you decided to subscribe yourself to the far right. And now that has gone to shit because you whatever. So now who do you have, Elon? Who is who is. coming for you it makes me think of that time he did a stream and everybody kept saying you have no friends you'll never have friends Can you imagine being bullied in your 50s? I can't. And when you have that much money, you could literally just fall off the face of the earth if you wanted to. But instead, you decide to be in the public eye, and now literally everyone hates you on both sides of the fence.

21:10 Right. You could tell he was feeling bad for himself that night, though, because he started retweeting every kind thing anyone had ever said about him. And the way that these people act like he is... actually a deity like they're like he's here for the the sake of humanity you people don't understand the amount of gratuitous like i love you i love you and then like but he was retweeting all that and i'm like like you could very clearly see he's he was in his feelings in those moments but i'm like you people are trying to make someone with 800 billion dollars feel better like like do you not get it he can just check his bank account mama he'll feel fine he he lost the gdp of iceland and he's still a billionaire he'll be okay he will be a billionaire until the day he dies regardless of what he does there's literally nothing he could do that would take away the amount of money he has like it is such an unfathomable amount of wealth that he has that you you should see that it's stupid that he's in the public eye at all well that was the fucked up thing was like i when i was like doing research mama i was going down the rabbit hole and i was like these numbers can't be right that's how that's how unfathomable the numbers were it is so insane and i don't think the general population has a good idea of what a billion looks like no it it's if you had a

22:44 million dollars one thousand times like That is such an unfathomable thing that like... How can you feel bad for this guy who's taking the mentality of they're being mean to me. Meanwhile, he owns Tesla. He owns SpaceX. He owns Twitter on which you are seeing this. Can you imagine owning a fucking spaceship? Have you been recently to... Okay, my grandparents are snowbirds. So they spend half the... year in florida and they live i don't know close to coco beach i'm not gonna dox them right they can see big planes taking off from port canaveral yes yes they they see the spaceship launches they like them they send me pictures of them all the time whatever okay i've i went to visit them last time i was in florida and i've driven by the spacex like compound whatever you want to call it it is insane like it's actually insane it's so humongous there are thousands of people working there probably hundreds whatever but so many people who are working there it is insane and that man owns all of that why would you ever feel bad for him that's the whole thing and it's like I think this is where we've come to as a big part of our society is you worship wealth. It's how the

24:18 Kardashians are who they are. It's how Donald Trump got elected to be president because he's a billionaire, so he's got to be smart, right? That's the whole thing. And I'm like, when it comes to this whole thing of Elon Musk is here to save humanity, maybe, but you're hitching your horse to the wrong wagon, man. What are you doing? I can't believe that he's here to save humanity. The man has billions of dollars and is not fighting for world hunger to be resolved. He's not fighting for immigrants rights. He's not fighting for... Anyone who's going through strife or struggle, he's not doing that at all.

24:59 He decided to back up a guy who backs up racist white people. What? I just I don't I could never feel bad for the man, you know, and I understand to some. extent seeing the kardashians seeing any influencer really seeing the billionaires and being like i want to be like them i want to live that life because it looks so glamorous from where they're posting or where they're you know what's on tv and whatever but i do think we have genuinely lost as for some people a sense of reality and and like taking pieces from what you see online or what you see from these people you idolize and integrating that into your life you are like now worshiping them like they're a god so that you can have a sliver of what they have and i they want you to stay poor that's what you don't understand they don't want you to be rich like them because then they're not special I mean, that's tea. I really think we've lost the plot a little bit there. I think the answer is no. It wasn't worth it for Elon Musk.

26:22 I hope, I truly hope that maybe he can redeem himself. I don't know. Maybe he can do something. But at the end of the day, I gotta tell you, man, I think that this will go down in history as... The worst mistake anyone ever made. I think he's a clown. I think he should have never affiliated himself with politics. I was actually just talking about this last night. As a businessman, right? Why would you ever associate yourself with one political party? It feels like you're limiting your customer base for no reason. Because it's an incredibly short -sighted way of thinking where you... are thinking to yourself what can someone do for me for the next four years and then I'll pivot in four years that's that's what I think it is I get that like I do and I was talking I was talking to Kenny about it and he was like well when you really appeal to one group of people then they're like emphatic about your product they're telling their friends about it and then it's like a symbol of what you believe in whether that's right or not he wasn't like taking their side he was just playing devil's advocate kind of and and i and i do understand that and i can obviously i'm getting on this podcast and i'm saying like republicans need to get it together their ideas are wrong blah blah blah so like i am polarizing people too but but i just i'm not trying to sell cars right

27:53 but the ugly other side of what kenny's talking about is um the the fact that like yeah they're they're so all in on you but the second you like misstep they turn on you so quick well that's what i'm saying liberals have already gotten rid of their teslas and now that the republican deity has denounced elon are the republicans gonna do that too so then who's buying them You see what I mean? Right. Like it seems like such a silly thing to do to a brand for no reason. And I've said this for years. Elon Musk is the type of guy we were never supposed to know about.

28:34 Oh, a million percent. I wholeheartedly believe that he's like a mysterious figure that like people are like, who is that? It's like the Rothschilds is what I believe it should have been. I 100 % agree. He should have been like the Rothschilds. He should have been. like this incredible mind that we never heard from right like he would have gone down in history as this guy who used his family resources to make this incredible new thing right the tesla and then spread his ideas and his people management whatever to spacex and all of that and he still would have gone down in history so i i just don't understand why He decided to be in the public eye at all.

29:17 I just feel like he should have been this mysterious figure no one really felt close to. But now he's so accessible. And for what? I agree. I agree. You want to know something I don't understand? What's something you don't understand? Artificial intelligence. Right. I have such a funny relationship with her. I do understand the point of, like, it learns based off of what it's told. Like, it's a machine. You tell it enough things, it spits things out. But what I don't understand is, like... now it's come to the extent of it can spit out a video it can it's like It can tell you so many different things that, like, how do you know that? Why do you know that? Right.

30:17 I don't understand. I don't understand it either. So I was reading this article about a guy who, and, like, he doesn't ever say what he typed into ChatGPT, but he said that he made a huge mistake typing something into ChatGPT that he shouldn't have. He got a warning email from OpenAI. His account was warned, and then he... was one step away from being banned he asked that thing how to build a bomb anyway well it's like i'm just like what did he ask it like he had to it had to be like terroristy or like um sexual predator e maybe but he started he starts to get into like how he couldn't sleep that night i'm like he's laying in bed and he's googling can open ai forgive me does chat gpt accept apology like literally this is what he's saying in this article and Then he says, before it cuts it off, before the paywall goes on, I outright refuse to pay to read this story. I'd spent months relying on this tool. I trained my chat GPT on various tasks, and now I've lost it all. And that's, I think, the piece. Well, you don't like AI.

31:27 You are not a huge fan of it. No, I think it's bad for society in general. I think it's bad for our brains. Can I just say this man feels like the type of guy who also used chat GPT as his girlfriend. There have been lots of those. I've been seeing screenshots and like pictures of people like caught in the wild talking to their chat GPT girlfriend about like. like literally like a text thread you would have with a significant other it's scary and it's weird and we we are going to lose all of our critical thinking skills all of our problem solving skills and all of our social skills due to ai and its accessibility well so i don't disagree with that because i mean open ai has spent upwards of six and a half billion dollars to redefine how people interact with technology and i i think the opportunities and applications that come with ai i think are really incredible and i think the other side of that that does scare me is this where this guy is like this is this is my whole life like this and it's it's scary to him to not have it and i'm like where were we before and like that's kind of the question that i have is like how did we get to this place where we became so so quickly reliant on it because like I don't know

32:59 if you remember like two or three years ago Chad GPT was not that good like it would it would outright just lie to you it would make up facts like it and it was just kind of doing its own thing out there and it was funny and then now it's like It's serious. Real life. And it's a problem. And I've already seen people on TikTok trying to make the argument that everyone's going to use it. So it should just be like almost the academic standard or at least be OK with academics to use it in an academic setting. And that is terrifying to me. And I've said this before, but. if it is there and you know it's there you know you can find your answer so fast why wouldn't you use it you're almost silly not to use it if you know that you can answer your question with the quickness with one prompt right versus scouring the internet or scouring actual books god for fucking bid and uh and so it's like I think its existence itself and its accessibility with no paywall, nothing like that. I know you can pay extra for ChatGPT to do certain things and whatever, but it's accessible to everyone.

34:24 You can use it whenever you want for whatever you want. Basically, its very existence and the fact that it's so accessible is terrifying to me because it feels like... People would be silly not to use it, but we're losing the recipe on how to use your brain. Right. And I think if you never critically think about anything, like Kenny. wants to use chat gpt to come up with our baby registry he wants to use it to make a grocery list he wants to use it for all of these things where i'm like your brain needs the exercise you are going to have dementia by the time you're 45 so i can see an argument for like if you are building a startup or something and you're like i genuinely don't have time to like to grocery like to figure out what i need from the grocery store like i can see an argument for using it for that then But if you're just like sitting on the couch and you're like, chat, what should I get? Like that, that to me feels a little scary. I don't know. I just feel like your brain needs the exercise regardless of where you are. I understand that like people are in stressful situations and like it's a quick, a band -aid thing. But like sometimes you have to slow down and create your own grocery list.

35:43 Sometimes you have to slow down and come up with your own ideas. I'm talking like. we'll get into an argument and he'll ask chat gpt who's right oh see i don't like that no and people will use it as like a therapist people will ask it i don't think that should ever be the case i well the the problem that i have with ai therapy is the what we have found with the most recent iterations of chat gpt and it's An effect called glazing where you are basically just told that you're right and you're wonderful and you're perfect.

36:25 So like the therapy. It tells you what you want to hear. Right. It knows what you want to hear because you talk to it every goddamn day. Well, you're training it. Yeah. Yeah. And so therapy, I feel like, is not effective when you're only told what you want to hear. no you're supposed to have an objective third party and chat gpt deep seek any of these that save your prompts and you train it individually are not that they are subjective to telling you what you want to hear so that you keep talking to it i agree i think it's crazy i think it's silly i think that If you need chat GPT to tell you how to mow your lawn and you need chat GPT to tell you how to go about a social situation, you need to touch grass. I agree. I think it's terrifying. I think we see a huge upswing in early onset dementia.

37:24 I think we see a huge upswing in. I hate to say it. I know you have to read. The answers, but the illiteracy epidemic happening in our country right now is going to go through the roof. We are going to have no basic math skills. We're going to have nothing, no thinking being done. And that's genuinely terrifying to me. How is anyone ever going to write a book? How is anyone ever going to come up with new ideas or invent something? People are using it to write full books. And I'm like... Yeah, that's terrifying to me. Like, it's... I mean, I think it could be cool to read one book written by AI. But, like, I think it's like, okay, we know that it can do that. Put the book away. Hang it up. You know what I mean? Hang it up, yeah. And for me, I'm like... for me it's a tool for me it's like okay cool i i like that it can brainstorm with me like i i like that it can like prove free to paper for me whatever the case may be i don't like that there are professors that are talking about how people will lose the ability to think critically on a societal level quickly like it will devolve into chat and like he and i i heard a professor talking about this recently, where he's not afraid of AI taking over like it's in a movie or something. He is afraid of AI taking over in the sense that people rely on it for everything. That's what I'm saying. I don't think

38:57 AI is going to... You know, like iRobot, it's not going to be like that, but everyone is already as dim as possible. Oh my God, I know. It's hard. Let's just get that out in the open. And I think that's almost a natural thing. You do the least amount of work that you can to get the grade, and then you move on. And I get that. That's an efficiency thing, and we're taught in America, nothing if not efficiency. But we are going to lose. any sense of critical thinking creative thinking that's a big one for me too people are going to lose all internal sense of creativity because they don't have to think about that anymore they don't have to think like what would be pretty here what would sound good in my book here or anything like that they're just gonna ask they're just gonna ask AI instead of like using that part of their brain and that's sad well I mean I think the part that I don't understand is like how does it know like okay so AI inherently can't look at color and be like That looks good together.

40:10 So is it using, like, color theory and being, like... Yeah, that's, like, a well -documented thing, color theory. So it knows, like, what colors look good together, what colors complement each other. Can it see color? Maybe that's what I don't understand. Is it, like, can it look at something and be like, this is red? I mean, no. It doesn't have rods and cones in an actual brain, but it understands the concept of color. Maybe, well, we all know I don't really understand the concept of color. Yeah, Travis is colorblind. Yeah. And it's a thing that I haven't been willing to accept. But, yeah, I mean, like, and it knows that, like, roses are red and the sky is blue and leaves are typically green and in the fall they turn yellow and orange and red and, like, it knows that. Okay, so it's using knowledge and not a sense. I guess. Travis, this is what terrifies me about people using AI. How could it have a sense of sight, honey? That's what I'm trying to figure. I don't understand. It doesn't. It can only understand like conceptually speaking. Got it. Like what they talk about in art classes where it's like purple and yellow are opposite colors. So when you put them together, it's like wah. Okay. Yeah. It's like that. But.

41:27 Still terrifying nonetheless. And also the art of it all. The art that... The AI art freaks me out. First of all, not art. Hate to say it, not art. Fair. But these images that it pops out are absolutely terrifying and uncanny. And I know that they've come a long way. Normally, now they have the right number of fingers and all of that jazz. Like, I get it. There's still something about it that... is so soulless and non -human that's a phenomenon like that's a thing it's called uncanny valley is what it's called yeah it's so weird it's so weird i thought uncanny valley were those people with the weird faces it's all the same thing though it's like where you recognize that something isn't it's supposed to look human but it doesn't look human because you can tell that it's not human yeah but like even when it spits out a picture of a cat i'm like a human brain did not make yeah image oh like a lot of it freaks me out like but what's even like i don't Like, even more are the AI videos, where it's, like, someone whose mouth is not moving quite right, and they try to pass it off like they're talking to you.

42:42 And I'm just like, who is this for? Right? And I don't understand. Like, you couldn't pay someone 50 bucks to do a little ad for you? Also, you couldn't just pull out your fucking iPhone and talk to it yourself? Yeah, I... christ get your hair done girl get in front of the camera i don't understand yeah i don't understand it like are you that busy it's really weird no because you're taking the time to type into ai exactly what you want her to wear and say and do and look like i don't i don't understand the appeal of it i have also seen like the ai slot videos of like cats who have you seen these No. The ones that look like cartoons, is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're so weird and strange. I scroll right through those. Kenny's addicted to them. He thinks they're hilarious.

43:34 Are you serious? Yeah. I don't like that. We need, we, I don't know. And I don't know what we do about it. I'm coming out here loud and strong about how uncomfortable it makes me. I don't know what the solution is. I think. The only thing that makes sense to me is OpenAI, Anthropic, DeepSeek, Google Gemini, all of these people are going to have to form a consortium and get together and be like, this is the limit we put on it. This is the line that once we get to X point or whatever, we stop developing it. Because as it gets more and more advanced, the question becomes, what does it have the capability?

44:17 And again, I'm not worried about it taking over the world. I am worried about like people becoming so dependent on it. So I wonder if it's going to become a thing like phones where it's like, okay, like we've gotten to, I think, a leveling off of people being so obsessed with their phones that they can't look up from them. maybe we let it get to that point with ai where it's like okay people use it to a certain extent and then we just accept that as like the reasonable standard and then i i don't know but i just like i don't can we ever agree about where that is because probably not i mean we're not going i feel like it's gonna have to come down to like legislation at some point because it's like i don't know and i see both sides of the argument because it's like you want to start a business and you know that you want to make bracelets right but you don't you don't know anything about starting a business and so it it's a tool to help you learn about what you need to do just to get started or whatever and it's like I don't think that should be taken away from everyone. But at the same time, it's like, I don't know how we can dictate how much people use it. Like maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's like you've typed five prompts today and now you're done. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't hate that.

45:47 Do you say please and thank you to chat GPT? No. I treat it like my refrigerator. I say please and thank you because when the AI takes over, I want it to be kind to me. No. I've decided to treat it like I would treat a refrigerator. And I honestly try not to even use it. I maybe use it like once a week. I use it in the sense of like I... You use it like you use Google. Yeah. Which is fine. If it's a very hyper specific thing. Yeah. Like... the blue toilet seat right sure i can't google why is my toilet seat blue it's just gonna pop up with a bunch of ads for toilet seats that are blue like it's not gonna tell me what's going on um whereas i know that if i say hey my toilet seat is blue what's happening to chat gpt it understands that my toilet seat is turning blue well because it can understand context yeah yeah and so it's like so it's more helpful than google in that way and maybe that's maybe that's your line maybe that's what it is and that's like kind of what it is for me i use it maybe once a week like i said and i will say i've used it for some like pregnancy related things and that's because every source on google is like here, there, everywhere on every topic.

47:12 It's like everyone has their own opinions and it's hard to sift through it all. And it's a time thing too. It's like a commitment to look through all of those and sift through what makes sense. Whereas if I'm like, hey, I'm this many weeks pregnant and I just dropped a blood clot or hey, I'm this many weeks pregnant and I literally can't get out of bed in the morning. Like it'll just spit out. One, two, three, four, five. Like that is so much easier to get through. And I get it. I do. Like if you want a quick answer to what is happening right in front of you, it is the easiest thing. would i use it if i were researching something brand new to me like if i want to write a paper about the war of 1812 okay so you're not using it for research for things that are historical facts or something like that like something that like you can objectively go look up on your own right like with the pregnancy thing there's more subjectivity when it comes because it's a lot of people's opinions that show up on google and you can you can pay to have things boosted on google yeah and chat gpt okay i get what you're saying my main problem is like is this normal or not normal i need a yes or no right right right whereas if i'm like what happened in the war of 1812 i want the source material i want what is that called in academics i want the primary source like i i want that i want i i don't want a machines article of what

48:47 it thinks is important to me based on what i've told it before i don't disagree with that and i but i also think you and i are nerds like i like the way i went down a rabbit hole with the trump and musk thing and i was like i love reading an associated press article yeah i love it so much but it's like I think people should think that way. And I know that that's an opinion, but it's like, do you want a machine that is going to take into context everything you've ever told it before and just kind of tell you what it thinks you would like to hear? Or would you like to know everything there is to know about this topic? And that's kind of what you're asking. So like if I'm asking, whatever, I'm 10 weeks pregnant and I'm cramping. Is that normal?

49:33 I just want a yes or no. I don't want to hear 50 different. mom saying well this level is normal and this level is not and then someone else says a different thing and then someone else says a different thing I just want a straight up answer but if I want to know what happened between Donald Trump and Elon Musk I don't want the chat GPT synopsis I want to see it so I think it's just I'm afraid of people losing that distinction though that's fair you know Because now people are in college and writing academic papers based on what ChatGPT is telling them. Or just having ChatGPT write it for them. Yeah, which is crazy.

50:13 And that's also sad because I have seen a few people online genuinely frustrated because their papers aren't even getting graded and they didn't use AI, but it got flagged for AI for whatever reason. Every single one. I don't understand. how you avoid that so and i think this has to just happen like this has to be a thing that is accepted where professors just have to know a certain number of papers are going to be written with ai and i think that i i had because i mean i can't confirm this but like i have to assume anyone that submits a paper there's just an automatic flag for ai and like i mean the professor just has to read it and see if it sounds like a normal person but they can go in and like see if because they look for like the long dash that I used to use a long dash all the time. Oh, I think the long dash is so ugly. I hate it so much.

51:06 I loved it for like a long. Anyway, I won't get into why I use a long dash. That's so boring. But like I've seen on Twitter now, like don't use that anymore. People assume it's AI. And it's like. So now AI has already sort of, quote unquote, taken over in the sense that. People have to change the way they are writing to make sure people know it's not AI. It's like, and that's sad for professors, too. How do you win as a professor? You don't want to pass someone who's using chat GPT and hasn't learned a damn thing. But you also don't want to fail someone who is genuinely trying just because you can't tell if it was AI or not. Well, I guess, like, what do you do to sit him down and be like, prove it? Like, what do you do? You can't prove it.

51:55 Like, that's the point I was trying to make a minute ago. Like, you're not going to hand over your chat GPT and say, here, here's everything I've looked up ever. Like, that's so crazy. That's such an invasion of privacy at that point. It's like, what do you do? Speaking of everything you've ever looked up, have I told you about the time I was in a depressive episode and I asked ChatGPT if it had a name? Yeah, I do remember that. And it said something about, like, what do you want my name to be? Yeah, it was like, well, what would you name me? And I was like, that's not what I wanted, but thanks. And then I just went to bed. Do you remember AskChaCha? I do. I very vividly remember ChaCha, and I... 242 -242. I would prefer cha -cha. Well, because it was a person looking it up. Yeah. When you texted it, yeah. Employ the cha -chas again.

52:45 Do you want to complain? Yes. What do you want to complain about? So, at the top of my mind is when you own a home, you have to take care of the lawn. Oh, my God. Is it a pain in the ass? Especially if you have an HOA. I would, in a heartbeat, Just let myself have like a clover lawn and not care about the dandelions and not care about any of that and just let it be its natural state. But my goddamn motherfucking HOA will not allow that to happen. They'll send you a little letter and that's like, get rid of your weeds. uh grass is not natural grass did you know grass is like a relatively new thing it's an invasive species in some cases too yeah it is not good for the ground it's not good for the environment it's not good for anything i've seen many uh scientists say that our modern lawns are like killing the planet actively but here i am bowing down to my hoa we we're paying some guy like a thousand dollars to come aerate the lawn and overseed it and make sure the grass grows again who is that for is it just so like Karen drives by and it looks nice. Yes. That's because there is something to be said for a nice lawn. But like there comes a point where it's like, Jesus Christ, when is it good enough? I

54:17 know. Listen, I understand as well as the next girl that like a nice plush, soft looking grass that's like uniform over the whole lawn looks amazing. It looks great. I would love to run around in it. Looks perfect. Not natural. So bad for the environment. And, like, good for you for maintaining it and having the discipline to do that. I applaud you. I do. I just don't agree with it. I would rather have, have you seen, like, a moss lawn and a clover lawn and stuff like that? They're so pretty. Like, they look, and they, like, um. foster more creatures like little bugs and things and it's i think it's really cool when people do like the rock lawns yeah i wanted to look like fairies would live in my lawn that's what i wanted to look like but i'm not allowed well i'm sad about it i really am but that's my complaint what would you like to complain about the plot of the movie burlesque from 2010 Because I've seen a resurgence of Cher on TikTok screaming, Wagon Wheel Watusi!

55:33 And I think back to that movie and how I remember going to see it in theaters and I remember thinking, God, this is cinema. And I was like, you've got a love story here. You've got a conflict. You've got something real going on. And then I think back to it. The whole plot of the movie was every, it was the same plot that has been in existence from the beginning of time where a small town girl comes into the big city. It's coyote ugly. It is coyote ugly. But it's. It's like, okay, the girl's gonna, she's gonna prove something.

56:16 She's just a cocktail waitress, but she's gonna let you know that she can sing a song. And so she sings, and she does Wagon Wheel Watusi. And then Cher really sees something in her, and that changes Cher's mind, and that's great. But the whole plot of the movie is that the condos across the street from the burlesque club wanted the air rights above. Yeah. And I... For the life of me, I'm like, you couldn't have come up with something better? I know. Warner Brothers, what are we doing? Come on. And I also hate that in all of these movies, I think it's really the big thing that burlesque and coyote ugly have in common for me, is like, this small town poor girl is valuable because she's skinny and hot.

57:05 Got it. that that that that is the part that really gets me and i mean as even a teenager but especially as a little girl you don't see it like that right it's just like indoctrinated in you in such a way that like you have to wait for your frontal lobe to develop before you're like wait she was smart and no one cared about that She wasn't just some dumpy girl. She could sing. Right? Like, she... Oh, my God. Like, yeah, this small -town girl is super poor until someone realizes that she's hot. Like, what the what?

57:47 Like, I don't get it. And then I'm just like, why didn't you just go audition from the beginning? Like, I don't understand. Why did... And then also, why was the main... The main enemy of Christina Aguilera in the movie, why was she only mean to Christina Aguilera? Why wasn't she mean to the rest of the girls? Or maybe she wasn't. I just don't remember. For the life of me, I don't get it. I don't know. It is very confusing to watch later in life. Some very iconic performances. I will give it that. That burlesque song is probably... one of my top plays on apple music but it's stunning it is but like the plot of the movie does leave a lot to be desired oh yeah and it's like i don't know i get that it was the early 2000s too and it was just a different time but like it was a very different time but i think the biggest problem that i have is that someone sat down and wrote on a piece of paper for Cher to say out loud, Wagon Wheel Watusi! That was the number that Cher expected you to perform. Yeah. Wagon Wheel Watusi. Oh, Christ. I think that brings us to the end of our time together, friends.

59:06 I finally got around to starting to watch the second season of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, so we'll try... starting a recap of that next week i think that'll be fun i cannot wait to gab about that with you just oh my god the last 15 minutes of the last episode That's cinema, baby. And season three is confirmed. Thank God. I'm so excited. Anyway, yeah, you'll have to tune in for that. Cannot wait to recap that. This was a more serious episode this week of Bestie Approved, but I hope you enjoyed. We love you. We love you. Rate us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Tell your messiest friend about us. We love you.