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0:14 Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie Approved. What's the last song you listened to? I was really tired this morning. And I needed... Honestly, all I was doing was getting coffee and driving home. But I needed something to wake me up. And so the last song on that list for me... Was Smack a Bitch by Rico Nasty. Thank God I had to smack a bitch today. That's good stuff. What was yours? Little Bit by Demi Lovato.

0:56 Oh. Have you seen, like, she's really making a comeback. She really is. And, like. I love that for her. I'm really happy for her. I often find her annoying. but I love her and I want her to be successful. I, you know, I too desperately want her to be successful. And like, I think back to her song confident that like, I feel like marked very significant period of my life. Cause I listened to that just while I walk around sometimes, but I don't want to go back to the place where she's like, I went to this frozen yogurt place and it really ruined my day. That's, I just want to forget about that time. Yeah, I feel like she had a diva era. But, like, that's not even it for me. Just her personality is kind of annoying to me. But that's okay. Fair. That's okay. Not everybody has to like everybody. But I do really like the new album. Like, it's really good. And she, I guess. She's extremely talented.

1:57 Very talented. I'll never take that away from her. She did a cover of I Want to Dance with Somebody. Have you seen that on TikTok? Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so good. And, like, I can't find it anywhere. like i don't think she released it i think it was just like a sound on tiktok which i'm mad about because it's so good she probably has to get all kinds of releases from whitney's team and yeah that's probably i think the last one they really did was the uh higher love with kygo or like that was the last one they allowed to like yeah get really because i can't think of any other song that like has been remixed or whatever or like covered but yeah that was even Whitney's voice still it's probably even harder to like come out with a true cover right and the thing about the Kygo remix of that song was like you could tell that it was like I loved that song but you could tell it was someone that really loved Whitney Houston doing it I feel like he probably had to like go through a lot of levels of approval to like prove himself for that A hundred percent. He probably already had to make the song. They had to hear it before they even started. Yes, probably.

3:05 But I'm glad he got it because that was a good song. Do you have any pregnancy updates? Oh, boy. Yeah. OK, so I'm 35 weeks today. So next week is 36 weeks, which is technically. Full term, like he wouldn't be a premature baby anymore. And I have an ultrasound next Friday that will determine if I need to be induced early or get a C -section. or what have you. And I was supposed to go straight from the ultrasound to an OB appointment to like decide that and schedule that and whatever.

3:53 And then they called me this very morning and rescheduled that for the following Wednesday, which is crazy to me because once you're full term, like 36 weeks, you're supposed to see your doctor once a week. So, whatever, whatever, whatever. But, yeah, this will be my last episode that we record until I go on hiatus. Hate it. Yeah, but this little boy could come any day. Yeah, that's fair. And by little, I mean giant. Also, I've come around to having a C -section. I think I'm okay with it. The way my OB looked me in my eyes and she was like, listen. She was like, so you're not as likely to tear the second time around, even if you had a bad tear the first time, which I did. But when you have a much larger baby, that changes everything. And she literally said these words to me, Travis. She says. If I were you, I would be worried about my butthole.

5:07 And I said, okay, yeah, perhaps a C -section. But like, it'll be fine. When you have like a planned C -section instead of like an emergency C -section or anything like that. It's like very straightforward from what I understand. Right. Because it's like going in for like a standard surgery versus like needing a surgery immediately. Yeah. And so I'm not excited. I saw a woman on TikTok say it feels like they're washing dishes inside your intestines. But that's still better to me than having one hole. Or like the baby can dislocate their shoulder on the way out.

6:02 There's all kinds of things that happen when you have a giant baby. Well, so I I think if people need a C -section, go get a C -section. I don't think there needs to be any like rationalization of it. For me, though, I. I cannot imagine pushing a fucking watermelon out of my cooch like that. Well, like I did it with Jack and it sucked. It did. And they had to get the vacuum and I had a third degree tear. For those of you who know what that is, it it wasn't great. Right. And like the recovery also was not great because my doctor literally lost count of how many stitches he had to put in down there. Hate that a lot.

6:50 Yeah, he finished up and I said, how many stitches do I have? And he said, oh, I, I don't know. It's not the same thing, but it's like putting together like an Ikea bed and you're like, I have like six extra screws here and I don't know what to do with it. And that's not my problem. And I love that doctor. That doctor was like our primary care physician, too, for a long time. But he was also an OB. He's a very smart guy. And he just they're dissolving stitches. So like he wasn't he didn't need to count. Oh, fair. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. That wasn't great.

7:32 The recovery wasn't great. But I was so scared of a C -section and its recovery until. She recommended it. She told me a few weeks ago that if I want to elect to have a C -section, I can do that. But now she's like gradually recommending it more. So I've made my peace with it. I think that's fine. Do you, do they put you to sleep for a C -section? No. Oh, no. See, that's where I draw the line. They put a curtain at like your waist so you can't see anything happening. I feel like I remember Logan telling me this. Yes, I think. OK. But you're awake. You're awake the whole time. And they say you don't feel pain, but you feel pressure and you can feel that they're inside your stomach. which is horrifying to me.

8:31 It's something I would never get over. Yeah, so that experience was one thing that was really turning me off. The other thing that really sucks is you can't, like, twist for two weeks, which means you can't drive. And that doesn't sound like a big deal, but I drive Jack to and from school every day. I was literally about to say, yeah. Yeah, so it's like I have to organize rides for him. I'll take him to school. Lots of people will, and I'm sure that I'll organize it all and it'll all be fine and great. It's just like the anxiety of all of it. Yeah. And there's like a whole thing in my mind right now about not wanting Jack to suffer because of this is like a good experience for him. He'll feel better about having a brother and sharing attention and that type of thing. I don't know. So this is the thing. I was never worried about Jack being a big brother because I do think at the end of the day, Jack will be a phenomenal big brother. I do think that he will have a hard time with the switch and dynamics because he's so used to being the center of attention. And like and he's he's a natural performer and he like loves the spotlight. And I think he will.

9:44 I think for a little bit, I'll struggle with like sharing the spotlight, but I think that it'll be a really good growing thing for him. Yeah. And I knew it would be an adjustment regardless. And that's why I don't. I don't want to make it so he's, like, late to school every day, too. And has to go to the office because whoever was supposed to pick him up in the afternoon was late, too. And all of that. Because I just feel like that'll stress him out more. Sure. And he'll just not have a good time. So, I'm stressed about that right now. But that should only last for two weeks. And then I'll be able to drive again. But I still won't be cleared to, like, exercise or anything for... It's like... It's six months afterwards, right? Well, I thought so with a C -section, but apparently not. It's like six to eight weeks. Like, is it like a like, you know how when they like replace your hip or whatever, like any surgery, like with a knee replacement or whatever, they want you up and walking like almost immediately after one of those kind of situations where they're like trying to get you back into things quicker than like you would think is normal. No, six weeks is the same amount of time for giving birth. Okay. Vaginally, for lack of a better term. And I thought you went from like a six -week recovery to like a six -month recovery if you got a C -section, but apparently that's not true. Huh. I don't know.

11:06 I'm sure it takes a long time for that incision to heal all the way through, though, because they like have to cut through the muscle. They're like in there. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're literally getting chopped in half. Um, so that's the update. Also, this man has his head, like, in the circle of my pelvis. And it hurts so bad. Ew. It hurts so bad. Baby August, what are you doing? I know. He, like, won't move up. And actually, he can't move up because he will have both his head in my pelvis and his feet kicking my ribs at the same time. I have to tell you, the miracle of life is truly a miracle. I'm so happy. I love him so much. But God damn it. Why does it have to be so hard? You would think we would have evolved to make this easier. But no. No. Even God hates women. Cut that out. I don't mean that.

12:16 Okay. So speaking of babies, have you seen. And this is like a common thing that like pops up on my TikTok is these seed oil fucks going into like a Meyer or Kroger or wherever and telling people that baby formula is basically poison and like you're going to kill your baby. Have you seen these? No, but that really pisses me off. Did you watch the TikTok that I like put in the link? Yes. Did it piss you off? Yeah, because here's the thing with Jack. I tried to breastfeed. I wanted to breastfeed, and I couldn't. So if all formula is poison, I have two sides of this. With Jack, this is what happened. If all formula is poison, your solution to me is to either pay hundreds of thousands of dollars at the end of the day for someone else's breast milk, which is weird to me, and I didn't have any money at the time. Or number two, starve my child. Like, are those your solutions for me? Well, no, there's a magical third solution.

13:24 If your body isn't producing breast milk and you don't want to use someone else's breast milk. This this guy, the seed oil fuck was on there like selling like peddling his goods. Oh, yeah. And this is the other thing that makes me mad is at the end of the day, like unless you're smoking crack. I don't give a fuck what you're feeding your baby like as long as like the baby's healthy and like you're doing everything you can to like just to do right by your kid that's nobody else's fucking business and if you have to get like whatever powder you put into milk to make it baby formula that's nobody else's business because there are an exceedingly high number of mothers who simply cannot produce breast milk like it's it's not and i think the gross thing is like people don't talk about that because there there's like a level of shame around it like i talked to my sister -in -law about this and yeah she said hang on i'll read this because i sent her this video i said i just want to know like what your thoughts are about this. And she said, fed is best. That's it. Uh, so my niece was strictly breastfed and my nephew was breast and formula fed. There's fundamentally no difference between the two of them. And then formula is so closely monitored and regulated. It's actually safer for a lot of babies with allergies and dietary restrictions. And these people out here like peddling ignorance and fear mongering is at its finest and it's irritating as fuck. Like

14:56 there, there's no, it's bad. It's bad. I did see a TikTok of a teacher speaking up and being like, hey, I can't tell if your child was breastfed or formula fed. I can't tell the difference. You know what I can tell? If you've never read a book with your kid before. Oh, see? It's like, just take care of your kid. Every doctor, every nurse I've ever run into has always said fed is best. If you can't breastfeed, don't. And I cried and cried and cried and cried when I couldn't breastfeed Jack anymore because like my supply just ran out. I was under undue trauma with his dad and the stress was insane. And I literally just wasn't producing breast milk anymore.

15:44 And like. You don't even need to have that excuse. Whatever it is, if you're just not producing milk for whatever reason. Or if you just don't want to breastfeed your kid. Like, that's okay, too. There are some parents who never even try to breastfeed. And that's fine. Why are we telling them what to do? Yeah. I don't understand it. From the other side, though, Kenny doesn't like seed oils. We know this. We've talked about this. Which is mostly fine. You know, to avoid deep fried things because you don't like canola oil, whatever. Sure. Okay. So we looked at, because I think that I would like to have a can of formula in the house just in case something happens.

16:29 And like, I don't want it to be a whole thing. I can't feed the baby. So we looked up, like, are there any seed oil free formulas on the market at all? really aren't you would have to import it from the uk okay which is crazy but also feature kid so here's i i want to know where the root of this seed oil argument is like because if it's truly like yeah we we don't want to be having a ton of like deep fried uh saturated fats great i can get behind that i don't know if that's what it is it's not it's something to do with honestly i tune them out so much and maybe i should listen but it's something to do with the process of how it's created it's something like like a table of sunflower a tablespoon of sunflower oil is like 6 ,000 sunflower seeds or something insane like that. And so it's like you're ingesting a lot of calories and carbs that you're not meaning to. I don't know. Listen, whatever. I'm not going to tell people what to do. If you don't want to eat seed oils, don't. But like if a baby needs formula, we don't have any other option right

18:02 now. Right. So feed your kid. Yeah. That's where I'm at with it. That is best. And that saying, by the way, is a riff off of people who used to say, breast is best. Oh. Mm -hmm. It used to be. Well, I'm glad people took that back, honestly. Breast is best, which put nothing but stress on new moms. And by the way, stress is like the number one factor that can make your milk supply go away. Yeah. Your body will stop producing milk because it's so stress. I have to tell you, I don't know. I know I was not breastfed.

18:45 I know none of my cousins were breastfed. I know Zachary wasn't breastfed. And so for me, I'm like, we all turned out just fine. Like. I like the whole the whole argument for me is to to like put this like. image of like what you think a mother should be is like a baby factory and like only taking care of her babies like i think it comes from a deeply misogynistic place and i don't like it but i do i do appreciate that there's a her name is dr jess and she's a real doctor out here and she's like kind of combating all these seed oil fucks like in the in the baby formula aisle and like i really appreciate that she does that because i do think it's a message a lot of moms need to hear. Like, hey, you're doing your best and that's okay. That's all you can do. And listen, props to the moms who go back to work when their baby is six weeks old and take time out of their day to pump. That's insane. And I am so happy for you. And you are really doing the thing that does not take away from moms who have decided formula is best for them and their baby. Because the other thing is, if you're up pumping every three hours all night. long, then baby has a tired mom. And I thought we didn't like that either. So like, come on. See, this is where I start to get mad at the argument because I'm just like, it doesn't

20:15 matter what women do. You're not doing it right. Yeah. And that pisses me off. As a new mom, that was so hard on me because I was like constantly feeling like I was doing a horrible job because that's how they want you to feel. And by them, I mean misogynistic men. They want you to feel like you are never doing enough for your child. If you have not literally moved a mountain today and breastfed and gotten 10 hours of sleep, you're fucking up your kid. It's insane. Yeah, it pisses me off. Kind of on the same subject. We don't even have to talk about it. You can cut this.

20:58 No, I want to hear it. Night nurses. Oh yes. You did look this up. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. So there's this TikToker who I love. I'm not even going to say her name because I don't want her to get like literally one hate comment about it. She has a lot of money. She has started her own cannabis brands years ago. And she's like, I love her. She has a ton of money though. She like lives a very nice life. She has a Prada diaper bag. Right. cunt whatever she was talking about her night nurse and I respect her for this and she was like she gave the hourly wage I don't even remember what that was she gave the hours minimum which was like 12 which I whatever For you to have a night nurse, which is, for those of you who don't know, is someone who, like, feeds the baby at night and gets them back to sleep and basically does everything you need to do except for create breast milk. It's $500 a night. Which is insane. That's $3 ,500 a week.

22:12 And everyone I've seen have a night nurse has them for months. Yeah. Like, that's crazy to me. If I could afford it, would I do it? 100%. I can't think of anyone that wouldn't. Because you kind of have the best of both worlds there. You have someone who ostensibly loves your kid, who is all in taking care of it, and then you're well -rested enough to take care of it the other 12 hours a day. Yeah, 100%. And that's the hardest part for me about having a baby is like you are so exhausted all the time. It's not even just at night. And then you're waking up every three hours, literally all day, every single day. You're both tired. You're both fussy. And then you have to worry about are they getting enough tummy time? Are they stimulated? Are they eating enough?

23:12 Are they eating too much? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it's like. That would literally be a lifesaver for so many people, but there's no way. No. There's no way. Yeah. I wouldn't do it. It couldn't be me. I mean, obviously you don't like pay that forever because like you don't need one after a few months. But there comes a point where it's like, I don't, I love the idea of it. I don't love the idea that you have to pay $3 ,500 a week for it. And like, Right. And granted, it's a thing that like almost no one gets. Like it's something that is not reserved for like an exclusive group of people, but it's something that very few people can afford.

23:56 Yeah, 100 percent. And I don't know. It's just like. I appreciate her, like, saying, like, this is the reality of it. Like, it's a lot of money. Right. And, like, I'm sure she's probably taking care of the nurse, like, in a lot of ways other than, like, just financially. I'm sure, like, there's food. She's leaving food out. Yeah. Making sure they're all cozy and comfy all night long. Sure. And she's, yeah. She also, I feel like, needed to do that because she has, like, had such a quick. recovery it feels like like she's already taken her baby out a few times when the baby's like a few weeks old and she's like going back to the gym doing very light exercise when the baby's only a few weeks old and it's like i think people lose the plot really quickly of like well why am i not doing that why am i not doing that and it's like Ma 'am, you haven't slept more than two hours straight in the past month. And that whole thing for me is, like, I don't think that there is a standard of, like, what normal is. But, like, for me, like, in my mind, I don't know, as long as, like, you're back to, like, doing some semblance of normalcy, like, by the time your kid's in kindergarten, like, I don't know. Yeah. Because there's, like, four or five years there where you... Have to like adjust for life with an extra person there.

25:21 Yeah. Babies are hell bent on killing themselves. So you literally have to change your whole life to monitor them. And on top of that, they say your body takes three years to recover from having a baby. So it's like you don't have to be. Doing what the influencers do are going to get a tummy tuck the minute you're cleared to exercise or doing what you see online or in magazines or any of that, because it's like not real. Yeah. Like that is a whole different class of people.

26:01 Yeah, I think you're right. And that's hard for a mom. That's hard. It's hard for anyone, but like for especially for someone that just gave birth, I think that's. crazy but um on the note of things that are healthy um have you you haven't seen this i already asked you about this but there's a new pyramid scheme floating around on tiktok where they're marketing it as nutraceuticals and like i i'm gonna preface this by saying this is not about like what anyone chooses to do with their health it's simply about like the pyramid scheme situation and i do think there is something to be said for yeah like the standard american diet is not great like comparatively with the rest of the world but i think if you look holistically at like why are we unhealthy as americans i think it all comes back to we do nothing but bend over for the most powerful industries in the world, which are the most powerful industries in food, which are beef and dairy. And we do not have universal health care. Like, I think those are the two biggest problems are the diet and the health care. Right. So you have. These people on TikTok peddling whatever bullshit they're peddling about like, oh, if you take this pill, everything's going to be great. But it's the same song and dance over and over and over again.

27:30 And I saw like I'm not I'm not exaggerating like 19 TikTok lives yesterday of like, well, this is like what I was going through. And like your body becomes insulin resistant over time. And it's. It's not your fault. It's your doctor's fault. You don't understand because you you didn't go to medical school, but these doctors, they're hiding it from you. So like they make the doctors the bad guy. And it's it's this it's this cult mentality where like the outsiders are bad and like we have the answer and you should listen to us. And this is what pisses me off every time is like, OK, so you're preying on people's health. Great. Got it. So. The doctors are bad. And then I'm going to tell you my story about like how I was insulin resistant and my kidneys were failing and I went to the doctor. And it's so interesting that 19 people in a row had the exact same story and the exact same health problems. It's it's fascinating to me. But then they all have this like they all have like a group of mentors and the same mentor showed up on two of them, which is what tells me it is absolutely this pyramid scheme. And so I got to the point where I. commented on I think the third one I saw and I was like that's funny you have the same story that two other people on here have and you're using the exact same verbiage and you're all like you're all covering up the way you say different brand names so you don't get sued it's so funny to me and then she said what are you trying to say Travis like tried to call me out in this live like where she got by the way like 64 people in it it was not a huge live and I finally just got to the point where I was like, it's a fucking pyramid scheme. Just say you're on a pyramid

29:00 scheme. Like, it's OK. Just tell us you're in a pyramid scheme. Tell us you're going to sell us an opportunity and like, let's go on with our days. And yeah, so I got I got in a TikTok live fight over an MLM and like. Here's the thing. Go on her TikTok and scroll down two years. I bet you don't find her sick. No, you never do. I bet you don't. This is this is what pisses me off. It's like we used to work with someone like this who would tell a story, tell a very emotional story. You know exactly what I'm talking about, where it's it was to sell long term care insurance. And it was I'm going to tell you this story about like how this person was on death's door and I sold them this long term care policy and then it changed their family's lives. Do you know what I came to figure out? That's true.

30:00 That story was bullshit. Of course it is. That person didn't exist. I'm sure they didn't. I never thought they did. Like, here's the thing. I don't have anything against salespeople. Salespeople try to sell whatever. I do have something against you using sickness as a scare tactic. I agree. In order to sell something. There has to be a way to sell your liver pills or whatever the fuck and peddle them out without. pretending that you used to be chronically ill because there are people out there who are literally chronically ill and looking for any type of solution and here you are miss dumbass promising them something you cannot deliver right well and that's the sick thing that like makes me so mad is like you you're not even marketing to like fixable problems like sure some of these problems that like mlms like do go after are fixable but like it The way these people capitalize on big black holes of money pits where it's like we at some point we can come back and say either a you didn't do everything right or be the problem was bigger than we knew and we did everything we could.

31:18 But like it's a problem bigger than us. And then they dissolve the amount or dissolve the LLC and there's nothing to come after. It's sick. Like you were you were coming after people that are desperate for any answer. And yeah, I should have stayed shampoo and caffeinated drinks. Yeah. Why are we trying to say we can fix people's health? It's insane. It's insane. But that's the other interesting thing is like they'll never say they can fix it. They say they have a solution to part of the problem. And and this is where like the studying for the LSAT and like the whole thing comes in for me is like you start listening for these like key things of like, oh. You're like the woman I'm thinking of, like she kept saying Starbucks because she like it was blaming sugar for a lot of the problems that like come from insulin resistance, whatever. And granted, sugar is a problem like it is a big problem.

32:12 But she kept saying Starbucks instead of Starbucks. So like she couldn't get sued by the Starbucks coffee company. They also do that all over TikTok as if everyone's going to sue them everywhere or like TikTok is going to take them down if they say. target or something yeah like it's that's weird can we stop doing that it is weird and like i think this speaks to a bigger problem of like you know what you are doing is unethical you you have you on some level have to know there's liability here there is some legal implication or there is an ethical concern here that's why i'm dancing around it and you're still willing to do it for money you're you are a soulless fuck you have nothing to offer this society and you're a bad person yeah sorry queen you need to go work at the star books because this is not paying your bills oh god but yeah that pissed me off and then i fell down another rabbit hole have you Did you ever watch that documentary with Roberta Blevins about the leggings? No.

33:17 I think it was on Amazon Prime. I, like, started listening to her podcast again because I was like, oh, I forgot how much I love learning about, like, cults and, like, MLMs because they're the exact same thing. Oh, they are, yeah. And I, like, started listening to her podcast again and I fell deep into it. But, yeah. What else? What else is on the list today? Have you heard about the song about stealing an F -16? Are you on that side of TikTok? What? What are you even talking about? There's a song. I'm going to clip it in here because, A, I bought new software for the podcast. So, like, you're going to hear a lot more sound clips coming in. And B, I think it's because I'm on Blue Pill TikTok where it's like. Oh, my God. I just, like, didn't even see that bullet point. That's so weird. It's great.

34:07 Okay. I'm going to let you listen to it for a second. I hate to be this person. What the fuck is an F -16? A fighter jet. Oh. So for those of you who don't know, it's it's a song where I think it. it's it's come out of like political discourse tiktok we're like we're we're in a weird place societally and i think like i don't know if someone said he was gonna steal an f -16 but like quickly after the whole the the militarization of ice and all this like we started getting there's a song about stealing an f -16 there's a song about stealing an apache jet and like they're so fucking catchy i haven't seen these like at all i could listen to them all day long i love these songs not my vibe but tonally but i get it but you can see why i like it sure um You and I both woke up in fuck -ass moods on Friday. I wake up in a fuck -ass mood every day. I hate waking up. And also, I can't sleep through the night. I wake up like five times a night. I will say last night, one of them was

35:38 worth it. I woke up because Kenny was laughing and talking in his sleep. And Kenny does this thing in his sleep where he is speaking neither English nor Viet. It's just gibberish. Really? So he'll be like... It's like, what are you doing? Um, very entertaining, but yeah, I can't sleep through the night. And so I've been waking up in a fuck ass mood every day, but also I caught this cold flu thing that's going around. So yeah. Yeah. So Friday, I, I don't know what my problem was, but like, I woke up, I, Emma and I were supposed to record on Friday and like, And that comes after the Wednesday where we were supposed to record. And I was moving through the entire day, believing it was Tuesday. And Emma text me at three o 'clock in the afternoon being like, hey, is everything OK? Are we still recording?

36:34 And I was like, what are you talking about? And then, like, I looked at my phone and I was like, fuck. And so I think that the bigger problem is. I was a thousand percent like I come down with like the like I wasn't the flu, but they were like I needed to sleep. And so I. We didn't record on Wednesday. I was like, let's report on Friday. Great pussy. Great. And then Friday rolls around. I wake up and I was like, I'm ready to kill someone like I'm ready to hit someone with my car. And I was just mad from the moment I woke up until the moment I said, I'm going to take back to the bed and go take a nap. I sleep for. Six more hours. And then I get back up and I was like, OK, like I'm an operating functioning person now. Saturday rolls around.

37:22 I did absolutely nothing all day yesterday. I get up at like nine o 'clock in the morning. My dog's being too cute. I just tell him I love him so much. And I was like, let's go. Let's go get this day. I take Boomer to my dad's house to like so he can hang out with my dad and my dad's dog because like that's his favorite place. And I said, let me go get something to eat like this time. But like by this time, it's lunch ish time. I go get a little to go meal from Texas Roadhouse. I went back to bed and I slept for seven more hours. I wake up at like. probably nine o 'clock and i uh go back to my dad's house i get boomer and we just go back to bed and i love that i don't know what my problem was though like i you're sick what do you mean maybe i don't know i don't like to accept that i'm sick everyone in the indianapolis area right now has this virus and i mean everyone Everyone I've come into contact with at least knows someone who is sick right now. And it's insane. And that's definitely what this is. I will say the highest my temperature has gotten is like a hundred point line. It's not been like crazy. I'm just also pregnant.

38:40 So I hate coughing and sneezing and all of it. I hate everything. I'm at the point in my pregnancy now where when I'm backing out of my driveway and a car is going down my road, I have to take a deep breath. I'm so angry. I get that. I'm so tired and I'm in pain all the time and I'm just like waddling around. I've had enough. We're almost there. Why are you on my street? How'd you get here? How did you get here? Please. And I'll be damned if I'm going to back into my driveway.

39:26 No. No. I live here. A couple things. First of all, you shouldn't be backing into your driveway. That's exhausting. Do I think the feds are going to come? Like, what do I need? No, but also people should stay off my road. Yes. And every road that I'm driving on. Every road. Shut it down. Do you have anything to complain about? Endless things to complain about. Tell me. I did have something, but I didn't write it down. What was that? I don't remember. You do your complaining and I'll see if I remember. I'll go first. What in the actual fuck happened at Panera? Okay, I saw that that's what you were going to complain about. I have not had that experience. What the fuck are you talking about? The green tea, still delicious. Bread bowl of broccoli soup, still delicious. Chicken frontega sandwich, still delicious.

40:30 Okay. And that's all I care about in this life. Also, their chocolate croissants in the morning. Ugh. They are sin. I love them. So maybe the one in Westfield is good, but I can tell you right now, the one in Broad Ripple, I did a mobile order for a chicken salad sandwich because it used to be better than nothing else. I loved the Panera chicken salad sandwich. I ordered on the Panera app. I was so excited. I was like, I haven't had one of these in like two years. I pick it up. It tasted like sand. Is it possible, my prince, that they have just reformulated the chicken salad? That's exactly what part of the problem is. It's disgusting. And so it takes up on the menu and reformulate stuff like every six months. Yes. And I think that's like, don't fuck with the chicken salad. Like chicken salad is one of those things where it's so simple.

41:32 You need. Chicken, mayonnaise, grapes, and, like, whatever the fuck else goes into chicken salad. You don't need to fuck with it. Yeah. Like, it's a pretty tried and true thing, right? I like the Whole Foods chicken salad. I didn't know Whole Foods had chicken salad. Oh, yes, they do in their deli. I'll swing by and grab some. It has pecans and full grapes and celery. It's so good. I love that. Also, chicken salad is possibly the whitest food in America. And the first time I told Kenny I was craving chicken salad and he went to the store, he was like, I do not see any salads with chicken in them. And I said, oh, that's not what we're doing.

42:13 It's different. He's disgusted by the thought of chicken salad, which is crazy. Oh, I love chicken salad. It's got to be like full chunks of chicken. This is the other problem is like Panera has taken the full like. chunks of chicken out and it's like shredded chicken it's always shredded chicken no it's not it has i swear to christ oh you mean it's like not okay i see what it's like strings of chicken it's not yeah you're getting robbed yeah and so i did some i took to tiktok and everyone else is saying this you are the only person i swear that has said panera is still good um Do you want to know what ruined it? What? Private equity. That's not surprising to me. Not even a little bit. Someone came in and acquired... So Panera has two different business models. It's like what a lot of fast, casual food places do, where you can have a franchise or a corporate -owned one, and a lot of them have become franchises, but the Panera brand was bought out by a private equity firm, and that's what ruined fucking everything about it.

43:21 That really sucks. The one up here is great. They're building a new one literally down the street from me. Did you see that? Yeah. I'm so excited for it. I love it so much. I love Panera. It is comfort food for me. And so if either of those Paneras start not being good, I will die. I will pass away. It's infuriating. Also, I loved their heart attack lemonades. I loved them. I never tried them. But also, I'm pretty sure I have undiagnosed ADHD. And so they did not make me bounce off the walls or have tachycardia. Yeah, baby, you are a thousand percent ADHD.

44:03 Right. So like they didn't do anything to me. I know that like everything is so much more dramatic hormonally and everything right now that like I feel like I've gotten confirmation that I'm ADHD because every morning I have a little coffee. And right after I drink that every morning, I'm like, damn, I need a nap every morning. It's the same thing with me. It's like after I take my like the later in the day Adderall, I'm like, oof, I could go right to bed. I could use a little sleep. And also. We might have to cut this, but I've taken Adderall recreationally, like early in college and late in high school. Yeah. That sounds like my personal hell. I would hate that.

44:54 It didn't do anything to me. You have ADHD. Yeah. Pretty sure I have ADHD. I've taken Adderall. It doesn't make me feel like anything. It probably does help me focus, but it didn't make me feel like what people talk about feeling. Yeah. And also caffeine doesn't do anything to me. No stimulant really does. So here we are. Here we are. I made it this far. I can take an Alani and go right to bed. Oh yeah. I used to drink an Alani every morning and it's almost like performative. It doesn't do anything to me. I'm a thousand percent. One of those assholes. It's like, I really just like the flavor of it. Cause like the, and I know part of it is the fact that like, I have to have built up like some level of tolerance to caffeine because like there there's no natural person that can walk the face of this earth and drink 200 milligrams of caffeine and nothing happens and they don't have some caffeine tolerance.

45:53 Like that's fucking insane for me to say out loud. Well, I've had a caffeine addiction since I'm like 15. And I think that's I think I was drinking caffeine so much when I was a teenager because I needed it to focus in school. Well, this is it's like it's what comes first, the chicken or the egg. Right. It's like, oh, caffeine like helps me calm down. Like, oh, now caffeine does nothing to me because I remember I went to my doctor one time and she's it was the nurse practitioner that works with my doctor. And she's incredible. Like she's one of these people that's like, let's look holistically at you as a person rather than like attacking whatever problem you're in for. And I think she's so incredible for that. She was like, how are you sleeping? And I was like, I don't know, not good. And she's like, how much caffeine are you drinking a day? And then I like this is when I had this when we were at our first financial firm. And I did this cute thing where I would order a case of bang energy drinks and just keep them at my desk and drink them every single day, like throughout the day.

46:49 And she was like, do you feel that maybe that might be part of your problem? And I said. You cannot convince me. I said, who the fuck are you? Did you go to medical school? Okay, nurse practitioner. Okay, Dr. Ali. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard. But also, there are people who follow those rules. Every time Kenny goes to Starbucks on the weekends, and he like... you know he fasts whatever he'll break his fast at like 11 and so he'll be he'll get in line at like 10 45 or whatever and he's like why are there so many people in line you're not supposed to drink caffeine after 11 a .m nobody's going to sleep tonight and i'm like oh buddy there's a whole world you know nothing about i will tell you i downloaded the rise sleep app and like i started like paying attention to the like tips it was giving me just to like help like improve my sleep quality and the way that it's like stop drinking caffeine now and it's like 11 o 'clock or noon and I'm like how how does someone do that well yeah so it's a it is like a proven thing caffeine has like a half -life or whatever so you're still feeling the effects of the caffeine like 12 hours later or something insane but it's like Shoot

48:19 me. But also, for me, at least, and this is my addiction talking, when I was having really bad insomnia, like, in my first trimester, I found it easier for me to go to sleep if I had a cheeky little Coke Zero at dinnertime. Yeah. So... Migrating and pap off are... Their entire for my entire life, at least, I know have done nothing but drink coffee the entire day up up to and including four minutes before they go to bed. And it's like, OK, good night. My grandma used to do the same thing until she had to get a pacemaker.

49:09 Well, my couple does have heart problems. So there's that. Actually, I'm so impressed by her. She's like one. She was one of those. Um, grandmas who like their house always smelled like coffee because they were constantly brewing coffee. And she like immediately once she found out that she was having heart problems, like immediately cut it to like two glasses a day in the morning. Wow. That's a wild habit to break. Yeah. And she did it so fast. She was like, yeah, no questions asked. And I'm like, good for you. How did you do that? Miss girl. Do you know what you're complaining about yet? I don't recall. I thought of it yesterday and then I didn't write it down because I'm an idiot. That's okay. I can complain about not remembering anything. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah, like last week I went to Whole Foods and I left one of the bags, which by the way was full of meat. Like, by the front door. I put the other two bags away, and I left one bag by the front door. And thank God, something got delivered.

50:19 And so I had to go up by the front door. And much to my surprise, there was a bag of meat needing to be put away. That's horrifying. I can't remember anything. Ugh. Yeah, pregnancy is only making your ADHD worse. Yeah, I'm like, whatever. And also, I have eczema now. Really? My hands are peeling. Interesting. And I use lotion like nobody's business. I've gotten compliments my whole life about how smooth and soft my hands are. And now I have, like, they're peeling. It is so weird. Oh, that's hell. And, like, I have a rash in my, like, the crease of my elbow. No.

51:01 And it's all eczema. And I'm like, dude, how? Mm -mm. How? Oh, my God. Well, here we are. We'll get there. Yeah. Your holidays might be chaotic, but your bed doesn't have to be. I'm really into Cozier's bamboo sheets right now. They're ridiculously soft and they'll keep you cool all night. Oprah and Kris Jenner are both huge fans and you'll see why. You get a 100 -night sleep trial and a 10 -year warranty, so you really can't go wrong. Dear listener, right now you all get 41 % off of anything on their website. Just go to CozyEarth .com and use the code BESTIE at checkout. That's CozyEarth .com, code BESTIE. Okay, besties, I found your new favorite shirt. Hypernatural makes incredibly comfortable polos and t -shirts that are made better by nature. These shirts are designed with jade stone fibers to help keep you cool, and they were called the best men's polo shirts of 2024 by Men's Journal. You can grab yours right now at hypernaturalstyle .com. Use code BESTIE at checkout for an exclusive 20 % off of anything on the site. That's hypernaturalstyle .com. Code BESTIE. You ready for reality roundup?

52:33 I am ready. So season three of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives starts on November 13th, and they're dropping all 10 episodes at the same time. Oh, thank God. I'm so excited. Oh, thank God. I've been watching them on Dancing with the Stars. Yeah. And Jenga voted off last week. Aw. On Halloween week. Whitney is such a petty little bitch. Everyone has been pointing out her face because she covered her mouth. But you can tell she was like smiling. And here's the thing. From someone who cannot hide their facial expressions, it could be that she was just like uncomfortable because she knew everyone would be looking at her. Sure. And I can see myself doing the same thing, but it does not look good.

53:19 You know what I mean? Can I just tell you something? I think back to the reunion where they both found out they were going to be on Dancing with the Stars. And I remember. I think because they announced Jen first and I remember Whitney, you could tell she was heartbroken. Yeah. And in that moment, I was like. Whitney is a dancer. This is what Whitney enjoys doing. Like this is like I think this is like her. She grew up dancing. Right. But I think this is her like ticket to like validity or something outside of reality TV. And. More reality TV. What? More reality TV. Yeah. No, I know. But it's like, yeah. Some some level of legitimacy. Right. I think that she's just glad she made it further than Jen. That's that's fine. And listen, here's the thing. People are hating on Whitney because she has dance experience.

54:23 And the whole point of Dancing with the Stars is you get famous people who don't normally dance. And so people are like, how boring. Of course, she's like doing the best out of everyone, basically, because she grew up dancing. Like, duh. But like. um now people are hating on her because she and her professional mark ballas who i love said that they were gonna do like a giveaway thing and then they had to come back and be like actually we're not allowed to do a giveaway because abc said we couldn't like they didn't clear it through abc in the first place and then You know, people like live vote, like they vote from their phones and their computers and stuff. So people are like they're buying votes and la la la. So she's getting tons of hate right now. This is. In this day and age, and especially people like Whitney, who have to have some level of understanding about like what it takes, because. None of this stuff is just like an influencer coming out and saying, oh, I'm like, I'm doing a giveaway. It is a thousand percent a corporate sponsorship.

55:34 One hundred percent of the time. And. For Whitney to not think that all the way through is wild to me. Like, you should know better than anyone the ins and outs of what goes into that. Especially a giveaway. They were going to give away, like, a chance to come see the show live. Like, tickets to the show, I think. Who the fuck did you think was going to pay for that, Whitney? So, of course, ABC was like, no, you're not. And so they both had to, like, get on TikTok and be like, we're so sorry. I don't know. So they also punished her for it because when they do eliminations at the end of each show, they don't do it in like highest to lowest. They do it in random order. saying who's safe and they and then when they have three couples left then they say who's going home and she was like everyone knew she wasn't going home because she like has been getting tens and whatever she has a fan base and but they put her like in the bottom bottom three that's not technically the bottom three but they made her like Stand it out. The week after she got. Oh, my God. I just. Yeah, I feel for her.

56:55 But also use your brain, sister girl. Yeah. I don't know. I like I go back and forth with Whitney. I I have heard from what I've read about the new season of Secret Lives. I do think we're going to grow to like Whitney this season. Because I didn't hate her last season. I don't know why I came into the season hating her. I she like she was supposed to be the villain, but I don't even remember why. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm in the same vein of Mormon wives. Have you seen the surviving Mormonism with Heather Gay thing? Yes.

57:38 I'm so excited. I'm going to be tapped into that. So it comes out. the night before, um, secret lies of Mormon wise. It comes out on November 12th and it's on Bravo. I'm so excited because it looks like, do you remember the, um, the Scientology show that Leah Remini did? Oh yeah. I think it's going to be just like that. I hope it is. Oh, it's so good. It's going to be great. Um, do you have anything else for reality roundup before we jump into real housewives? Uh, no. Robert Irwin is hot. Yes. But like 21 years old or something. Yeah. OK. OK. So we're covering season one, episode eight, Hot Tub Confessions on. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. We open up with Mary FaceTiming Robert Jr. to ask about the I'm sorry, the product purse that he brought his girlfriend on Mary's credit card and. I thought to myself, I wonder how this is or if this is how my papal feels every time he opens up his American Express bill and sees nothing but my Amazon purchases on it.

58:51 Does he actually look at it? I hope not. I feel like he just pays that. He's like, I don't want to know. I feel like he stopped. Yeah, like he's just he's just sending the check. He's like a long time. It's just like, let's call it a day. Travis, it's fine. And then we head over to the new location that's being built for Beauty Lab. And then Heather reflects on her on her success and like getting to where she is. And I'm really, really fucking proud of her. I love Heather. Love Heather so much. Meredith is at her store and Seth shows up while Meredith is on a FaceTime with Brooks and Brooks sees another opportunity.

59:33 to make Seth feel bad about not being on the fashion show and immediately jumps on the cross. And. I wonder how close together all this happened, because. Obviously, like when this was when this was like filming or like when this was like showing on Bravo in real life, like this happened over the course of like four or five weeks, there's no way that. This was more than like two or three days apart. Cause like, you can't be that mad about it for that long. Like he's, he just keeps talking about it. He's pretty irritating. He was very much like, oh, there he is. The dad who hates me and doesn't support me. I know.

1:00:16 Look at me on this cross. God. I don't know. I feel like maybe he did hold a grudge over. He also strikes me as one of those kids. And this is years ago now. So this is nothing against who Brooks is now. But he does strike me as one of those kids who's like, what can I get out of this? Oh, a million. Yeah, you're probably right. And by the way, if you think for one second that I wasn't a little demon monster like that when I was 19. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Well, it's like and it's whatever. I don't even blame him. He has two semi -wealthy parents.

1:00:57 His mom's on a TV show. He's like, I wonder how much I can blow. I don't blame him. I don't know. I don't blame him for that. Yeah. The conversation between Meredith and Meredith. Oh, my God. Meredith and Seth starts out super awkward. And we get to the good part where Seth asked Meredith to give him another chance to catch up. to where she is emotionally. And I think, I think that he has gone to therapy because he does use therapy speech a lot. Yes. Not in a bad way. No, no, no, no, no. But I think he's doing it in a way that's like, I'm trying to grow from this. And like something that I really love that he said is he goes, how are you processing what I'm saying?

1:01:40 Cause he's like checking in with Meredith and like, I do think, say what you will about Seth and Meredith and like, where like the couple of turns their marriage took I do think they are two people that are good together they work together and I think that this was us seeing like the work that goes into making a relationship work after it's like been in bumpy waters yeah and I also think that Seth is like the perfect guy to do that with Meredith because she can be love her to death she can be a bit closed off and ambiguous and i think seth is a good guy to be like no really like how are you feeling right now right dead ass yeah i i love that but i also and like i think you're right about her like being closed off but like i think she's one of these people that's like when when she says i'm disengaging like she's very serious about that she's like no no like i'm i'm done engaging with you as a person and i think seth has like really put in the work of like, let's, let's climb over this wall. And I love that about him. Yeah. It also makes me sad because I'm like, what happened to her to make her protect her piece so hard? You know what I mean? Like, I wonder, like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

1:02:58 But the long and short of it is Meredith talks about how she realized she really missed Seth during the separation and she doesn't want life without him. And. I love where they're at. And like, obviously, I've watched every one of these episodes 10 ,000 times. So like, I love where they're headed. But in this moment, like it did like the first time I watched this, it like gave me a little like beacon of hope, like, oh, they're going to be OK. And I'm glad that like at some point we get confirmation of that. I also got the vibe that Meredith was a little uncomfortable, like the weird vibes were there because she knew cameras were watching her and she was about to be a little bit vulnerable. You know what I mean? I think those are the best housewife moments though. 100%. I just think it's not necessarily weirdness between Meredith and Seth. It's more, Oh man, I'm about to say something very real.

1:03:48 You know what I mean? Yeah. That's the vibe that I got. That's fair. But I also think in the, in the first season of housewives, the like behind the scenes, they do talk about this where like, you're very hyper aware of the cameras, the first couple of seasons, but like, That's why they talk about like season season three housewives are really where they hit their stride because. Yeah. You forget the cameras are there to adjust yourself. Well, just like anything, like any job or anything, you just like get comfortable after a while. Sure. And it's like I've already done so much shit on this channel that is Bravo. I like what are they going to do to me now? I don't care. Whitney and Justin head over to Whitney's dad's sober living house and. So this this scene was a lot for me. I'm not going to lie to you.

1:04:39 So Whitney's dad is getting a sober living roommate, which is a normal standard practice. And I'm shocked that he went as long as he did without having a roommate, because like these houses, the way they're designed, like I go back and forth because I'm like, it is a place where people go to get sober and stay sober. And like, this is really good for them. And like the roommate is. part of an accountability thing where it's like you, you, you're only as sick as your secrets and like you, you can't hide when you have someone living with you. Right. At the same time, I feel like part of the problem is these houses are so full that you are forced to have a roommate, but you have to come into it having like some level of humility saying I, it's all on the table.

1:05:24 It is what it is. The cost of privacy is a heavy burden though. A hundred percent. Like I, I would not do well without having any privacy ever. Sure. So I get it. Yeah. Like the one, the one guy that I knew, um, in Louisiana who was in sober living, he got like his own room, which was in like a detached portion of this big house. And that was because he had been there for like over a year. You earned it. And he, yeah. They like trusted him to some extent to stay sober. Cause he didn't have like big red flags or anything. He was also free to like come and go as he pleases, which is not necessarily the case. When you first get there, you like sign in and out and stuff.

1:06:09 So it's hard. Um, but the therapist has already briefed Whitney on the situation and like they walk in and it's incredibly tense. Um, and this is where. I I want to like Whitney's dad, but I know exactly where it's headed because like I've lived this with people before. I know exactly what it looks like. And you he goes into it and he's like, I had this life. I want to get back to this life. I'm not willing to put in any of the work that it takes to get back into this life. And well, yeah, I get it. And like, it's probably harder for you having like gone through it so personally. Not, Travis was not the addict, is not the addict. It's, you know, whatever.

1:06:59 Couple other people in my life, yeah. Very close to an addict. And I haven't, I can understand him to some point of being like, I am entitled to this life that I had because I worked for that already. Why do I have to work for that again? Okay. You know what I mean? I see what you're saying, yeah. And like obviously that's not the reality of the matter, but I can see why he kind of feels that way. And I also feel like this isn't really like him, his personality. This is like him going through a really, really hard time mentally. And a level of denial that he's in that. Right. Right. Because I don't think anyone wants to be like. Oh, yeah, I'm a crackhead or whatever. And I think that's the hard part is like. It's it happens so quickly, like any any family that's ever gone through this, you will never meet anyone that is more empathetic to this situation than I am, because like I know how quickly the wheels fall off. I've watched it and like and and it's so quick. We're like you. You have an inkling that something is happening in someone's life. And then like immediately it's like I'm arrested. I like overdose. Something's going on. And like you blame yourself a little bit because you're like. How didn't I not see it? How did I not see the problem? Like the signs were all there. And it's like you gaslight yourself almost. But also they're hiding it. Right. And of course they are. Right. But it's sad. It is

1:08:31 sad. It is sad. But. Yeah. On the other side of that. You have no money. You have no job. You have no support system other than your daughter. And like you're saying, I want to I want to do this again. I want to be a millionaire again. And it's like, you know, the work that goes into that. You've done the work before. Right. And you know where you are now. Like, tell me how to get there. Like, so. Yeah. No, it's going to be incredibly hard on Whitney, too, because I know that she she sees a person we haven't met yet because we've only met him like as an addict. Right. but she knows like what he, what he is at his best, you know? And so it's hard to even know where she's coming from because we don't know him like that. Um, and it's just hard to watch it all play out in this scene, especially it's like, I wish Whitney stood her ground a little bit more, but I am proud of her for. I am too. What she did. I'm incredibly proud of her. But like the sick part, and this is what addicts do, is like they'll make everything else your problem. So like I guess Whitney's dad had made a list the first time she went or he went to rehab. He had made a list of all the things he'd pay for for her growing up. That she was entitled to. She was a child. Yes. Hello. But it's like the car, the education, everything else. Yeah. And held that over her head to make her pay for her going or for her dad to go to rehab. For the first time. That's so insane.

1:09:58 And I heard that and I was like, fuck you. Fuck you, Diane Warren. And that's why I feel like she, like I wish she were a little meaner to her dad. I do too. Because he's, he's really pulling those strings. Can I tell you why she's not though? Because she's terrified he's going to turn on her because he's done it before. Like this, this is the thing. And like, I mean, we come to find out at the end of the season, this is not a surprise. Like it's not a spoiler. But he doesn't he doesn't talk to her anymore. And I know exactly I know the rope she's walking in her head because I walk it every day with some of these people. I know exactly what she's talking about, where it's like what she's what's going on. Not what she's saying out loud, but it's like if I say the wrong thing, if I make him too mad, he'll he'll run away. He'll die.

1:10:44 It'll be my fault. Like that's exactly what's going through her head. And I can understand why you would think that way. But as someone who's never had to deal with like. an addict who's not in recovery or anything like that personally i wish she could see things objectively to be like i get that if he ran away and od'd that's not your fault nothing to do with you right nothing to do with you and in fact you're one of the only people in his life who tried to prevent that so I don't know. Yeah. And it's hard because Whitney is so sweet. She's such like a sweet little angel. And I wish she could just be that all the time, but she has to like be her dad's mom. It's hard. Um, but I do feel like Whitney and Justin did a really good job in this conversation.

1:11:32 And Justin said all the right things like, and this is where I think Justin. Is a very good businessman because I saw exactly what he was doing, where he was like an objective third party in a conversation and he jumped in and he is like, let's let's rip this apart. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like, I really liked what he did there. Um, I feel like this is the first time I started to really like Justin because I feel like it's the first time we talked to him. And all we know about him is that like he was married and she was married and then yes. And that's like all I knew. And so I was like, does he really like her? Like I wanted some proof. I see what you're saying. And I got that. I think that like they are really destined to be together. Like, Oh yeah. Yeah. They're a great couple. Yeah.

1:12:23 And I love him. And this was the first time that we like, got to see that yeah instead of like is this just some skis who wanted hot young whitney like you know i didn't know i didn't have an opinion on that yet yeah um everyone except for mary goes snowmobiling and i i like the idea i like skiing i like the idea of snowboarding i've never been snowboarding i've been snow tubing Me too. I've never wanted to go snowmobiling. Like, that's not exciting to me. That's not interesting to me. I love riding around on a golf cart, and I feel like it might be similar. But also, it might be delusional. I don't know. It's like a four -wheeler. Like, I don't know. It did not...

1:13:11 I like the idea of getting to the top of the mountain. Don't want to do it on a snowmobile. That's just me. I do like that Heather said snowmobiling is a lot like sex. It's much more fulfilling alone. And I love her. Oh, my God. And that spoke anything to her marriage. Thank God she got that divorce. Yeah. Everyone's confused about Seth and Meredith being happy. And here's here's the thing. Every single person. on god's green earth has like been in a situation where you've watched a couple who you know is going through a hard time and like they're they're either a just going through the motions or b trying to make it work everyone has seen that everyone's experienced that And that's okay. You have to let people figure it out. Couples go through ups and downs.

1:14:04 Like if they never had a harsh spot, I would be suspicious. Yeah. Because I know you've had a bad spot and you're just not telling anyone. Right. 100%. Can I also just say, I feel like as a friend, you have a right to ask how things are going. You also have an obligation to accept the answer you are given. You don't need to do this whole thing where you're like, well, I don't think she's telling me the whole story. Maybe she's not. Maybe she's not. Be her friend. She's telling you enough to support her through this time. And that's all you get. But I don't think Meredith has ever been dishonest about like, hey, we're trying to figure it out. No, but she also doesn't have to be like, yeah, we're separated.

1:14:52 Yeah, we're dating other people. Like she does not have to say that if she doesn't want to. The whole thing is it the whole I could tell that it was like. We had nothing else to talk about in the scene. Let's like really hone in on this. Yeah. Yeah. It bothered me. But Sharif talked about how he and Jen met. And I really, really like Sharif. Like he's like silly and he's goofy. But like he's also like. Like a good, strong husband. And I feel like. For as much shit as Jen, as much shit as you can give Jen, I can tell that they have a very good, strong marriage. 100%. I feel like he does show, like, on TV, he, like, is very silly, very lighthearted, all of that. But, like, you can tell. There's like an intense side to him. A hundred percent.

1:15:43 Which he's a football coach. Like, duh. And also he's married to Jen Shaw. So you have to be. Yeah. You're going to war. Yeah. So I can, I can just tell. And I really like him too. Um, and it seems like their kids are very like comfortable. Oh yeah. Around their parents, which I love. And then Whitney pulls Heather aside and tells her the rumors that Jen hinted at. And we found out that Jen showed pictures of Meredith with another guy to, I guess, to Whitney. And Heather's a real one. And she goes, we're not getting into that. That's what I like about Heather. Heather's like, I don't care. Yeah. OK, great. Like what?

1:16:27 And I guess like. to what end to what end are you pulling out these pictures and like here's my friend who's going through something with her husband do you think she's hot right i don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that but also i know jen i know that she was trying to be messy yes i like i don't know like diva the way you're out looking for truth let's wait until the middle of season two and see how, how into the truth you are. Like, come on diva. Like, um, and then we get to the last scene where everyone heads over to Jen's house for dinner. And I don't usually love the way wood grain looks, but I love the inside of Jennifer Shaw's house.

1:17:10 Like I think it is so beautiful. Like it is a ski chalet. I love it. Yeah. I do love the like cabin luxury, luxury cabin vibes. Yeah. For sure. Because you still have like floor to ceiling windows. Like, don't get it twisted. Yeah. Yeah. I love that house. I really do. Sharif asked about the conflict between owning a liquor store and owning a liquor brand and being a Mormon. And Lisa really dances around that question. She goes, for me, it's it's different. Like, I'm a Mormon by choice. Like the whole. yeah the whole thing it's like and they they get deeper into this as the seasons go on because i think they were very scared to approach the mormon dynamic i don't blame them in the church of mormon or i'm sorry in the church of latter -day saints drinking smoking caffeine sex before marriage it's all completely off limits Not caffeine, though. Just coffee. Because Swig is fine. I'm sorry, hot caffeine. Okay. Yeah. But there are very, very specific rules. And, like, I grew up in the Nazarene Church. The Nazarene Church and the Mormon Church, there are a lot of similarities there. Like, there are some things where, like, they break off into different sections. But fundamentally, it's all the exact same thing, right? No drinking.

1:18:29 No sex before marriage. The whole song and dance. If you ask someone who truly practices any of these faiths, they will tell you, you cannot drink, you cannot support drinking, you cannot do any of it. Yeah. That being said, I go back and forth with this. We're like, Lisa's so obsessed with being a Mormon. And that's common for people that have converted from religion to a religion because you're so committed to this thing. I don't care if she's a Mormon. I want her to be a Mormon. That's fine. The problem that I have with it is when people want to like dangle this thing in front of you, be like, well, this is a contradiction. And I'm like, religion's nothing but contradictions. Like leave her alone. 100%.

1:19:17 I feel like they were trying to come at it from an angle. By they, I mean the producers. 100%. I think they were trying to come at it at an angle of like. This is progressive. Look, you can be Mormon and do this. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. But also the way it read, I was scared watching at this point, like going into season two, that it was going to be like, she's Mormon only when it suits her type of thing. And I wouldn't be into that show. You know what? And they kind of did do that. Yeah. And is that kind of true for her? Yes. Yeah. But I don't care. I do think religion is a very personal thing. Yes. And if you find something that you connect with, go after that. And if there's something in your life that doesn't connect with that, that's fine. The thing that I will always appreciate about Lisa Barlow is. She doesn't ever use the religion against other people. She's never said, Whitney, you cheated on your husband with Justin.

1:20:27 You're a bad person. She's never once said that. She's said, Whitney, you do attention a lot. There's some other problematic things there, but I don't think it's ever rooted in religion. She loves gay people. She loves... Tequila. She loves tequila. She loves all that, but she's never said... Well, gay, the church doesn't like you. So I'm not doing that with you today. Like she's never once done that. She's also so close with Meredith and like comes over to her Shabbat and eats challah and all of that, like does all of that. So I feel like she's very, I don't know if progressive is the word or like she's just open to new ideas. She's not, she's not closed off in the way that I think. you and i look at religion and that forcing people to be closed off do you know what i mean yeah and there are some people who are that way but she's not and i think that that's good of her yeah i agree but i don't know yeah i was very scared watching this that it was going to turn into a whole mormon thing no which it doesn't i'm glad it doesn't um And then let's see where we are. The girls go out and get in the hot tub and the guys play games upstairs. And I usually don't love scenes with the other or like with the husbands, like separately from the wives. I genuinely like all these husbands. Yeah. And it seems like they get along. I feel like in a lot of the other franchises, you can tell that it's like such a mishmash of people who like don't really know

1:21:58 each other. And like it's awkward and weird. This didn't feel like that necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. Like it seemed like they were. kind of hitting it off right when like you can tell like this is still very early on and like you can tell none of them actually knew each other going into it except for lisa and meredith yeah um I do think that like all of these guys, like there's no fucking ego about it. Like there's, I love that. They're like, yeah, we're just all here hanging out. We're just guys. Like I like all of them. And I can see how that happened because all of their personalities kind of like allow for that. Like I look at Sharif and Justin who were like very heavy in this episode specifically. And it's like, yeah, of course they would get along. Oh, of course. 100%. And like, like. I also like the dynamic between Seth and John where like John is so like buttoned up and closed off sometimes and Seth is so like silly goofy. Yeah.

1:22:55 I feel like they could be friends in real life. Like if you told me that they knew each other before Meredith and Lisa knew each other, I would 100 % like acknowledge that. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. They have. they kind of have magic in a bottle with these husbands not that that's what anyone cares about watching housewives but they really do seem cool with each other that's what i love about this city so much is like there and i think it all comes back to there's not a lot of ego about any of it i think the most ego anyone had was jen shaw and like i genuinely believe a lot of the like the blubs that we get like say what you will about jen shaw later like towards the middle and end of season two and three right now i think all the blow -ups you get are like trying to make the show something that people wanted to watch yeah dramatic enough to hold the attention of yeah people who liked atlanta or like exactly oc or whatever you know you had to have some drama and i think that like god this like uh there's i there's i can't say a negative thing about one of them i yeah You can, but like I can't like as it relates to the show itself. Yeah, there's no one where I'm like I could live without her. Yeah. Like for season one of Salt Lake City. Absolutely not. Love them.

1:24:20 And then we end with the girls out in the hot tub. And like, have you ever been in a hot tub in the snow? Yeah. Oh, my God. It's the best thing ever. It's the best until you have to get out. It's like the worst. Actually, if you have like a robe handy, that would be great. If they had a towel warmer, that would be great. I believe Jen Shaw has a towel warmer. There's no way she doesn't. It really is nice. But that brings us to the end of this episode of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I guess Emma's last episode for this year. I hate this. But you, like, record little voice notes. Yeah. I'll record voice notes for how it's going, you know, with the baby.

1:25:09 I'll even, I mean, I'll be back sooner than you think, I think. I don't have to twist and turn or walk around to record the podcast. Once I have a baby who naps on the regular. I think that'll come quick. I'll kill myself if it doesn't. Jack was not a good sleeper, so I'm hoping I get good karma with this baby. I hope so. But from Indy to wherever you are, we love you. Thank you for being here. And I'll be back with, I think. Taylor's coming on next week. I don't know. We'll figure it out. Yeah, Travis has a bunch of guest hosts for you in the meantime.

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