babies, baking, breakdowns & betrayal

0:12 Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. What's the last song you listened to? Oh, yeah. One second. It was... Bedless by Pierce the Veil. What was it? It's called Bedless by Pierce the Veil. Bedless? Unfortunately, it's one of their newer songs, which just doesn't hit the same, but regardless, love them. Oh. Mine was Yippee -Ki -Yay by Kesha and T -Pain. Preparing for their concert. Well, Kesha's concert, but. I would love to see T -Pain in concert too, though. I kind of would too.

0:55 I wouldn't hate that. I love T -Pain. Do you know he's like an actually really talented singer? Yeah. He just uses auto -tune to sound, to have that sound he has. Well, he's also like a really talented writer too. Like Kesha was talking about how, I guess. He called her at like two or three in the morning and said, I have an idea. And then an hour later, Yippee -ki -yay existed. Yeah. Yeah. He's insane. I love T -Pain. I think he's a really underrated artist in the sense of artistry. He is genuinely talented. Love that. Anyway. So what do you want to start with today?

1:38 I don't really have much in the sense of pregnancy updates, at least that I'm willing to share, except that my dreams are vivid and I can't sleep. What was the last thing you dreamed about? The last one I remember is being in high school for some reason, but my stepdad was like dying and then he died. But it was all very weird. It was like he was in the hospital for two seconds before he died. It was so weird. And my stepdad is fine. But most of the time I can't remember them. Like they keep me up all night. But the second I go to sleep again, I can't remember it anymore.

2:21 It's been a trip. Let me just tell you. Trying to sleep. I mean. I bet. How big is baby August right now? Like in your stomach? Cucumber. Cucumber. Yeah, five and a half inches, they say. It feels like a massive jump from onion. Yeah, it really does. But they say every time I've gone to the, like I've gotten an ultrasound, they say that he's measuring a week too big, like a week bigger than I actually am. And next week is mango. So I'm telling myself mango. Oh, also, isn't a cucumber longer than a mango? I don't. Anyway. Yeah, probably.

3:10 I would think so. I have felt like I had little like flutters before, like I could feel him a little bit. But now I can feel like actual sharp little kicks, which is crazy. Really? So does he have like feet and stuff now? Oh, yeah. I don't. He's had feet the whole time. Let's see. What are the updates for this week? Do you want to know something I don't understand? The development of a fetus. The body is basically there from the beginning. It's just a matter of like growing into it. Yeah. And like things move around and adjust and you start, you know, you have like hair all over your body and like fat all over your body. And he he has fingerprints now. That's what they say. Huh? Yeah. Wow. Don't commit any crimes, little August. I know. Get locked up in the baby jail. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing that really exciting this week other than the fingerprint thing, to be honest. We would be able to tell this week if he was a boy or a girl from an ultrasound, but we got the genetic testing done. So like the genetic testing tells you like if they have an X, Y or X or Y chromosome. Yeah.

4:36 OK, so then. Well, everyone has one X, but if it's a double X or an X, Y. Right. Oh, yes. The second. Right. So why doesn't everyone just do that? It wasn't a common thing seven years ago. Really? At least in Louisiana. I don't know. It's weird because the moms I talk to up here are like, oh, yeah, I've done that for every pregnancy. And they like have kids Jack's age. But I was in Louisiana for this stage of my pregnancy last time. And like they didn't even offer it to me. Like it was not a. Interesting. They did genetic testing, but it was like to see if the baby had Down syndrome or if there, you know, anything genetically wrong with them that they can tell early on. Huh. Maybe they just didn't like think to use it for that thing, because like that in my mind, like that would be the first thing to check on that, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. Um, so they offered it to us this time and I was like, heck yeah. I think you should test all parts of the DNA to see if there's anything fucked up. Right. I'd rather just know. It's not like, like if he had Down syndrome or whatever, it's just like, I would want to know ahead of time. Sure. Prepare, you know? Anyway. Anyway. Nothing that exciting this week, hopefully. It stays that way. Honestly,

6:08 I don't want anything exciting to happen. I think a boring pregnancy is probably like the ideal scenario, right? Yeah. Well. Thoughts and prayers for a boring pregnancy. Yeah, seriously. We'll see how he likes Cajun food next week. I'm so excited. So that being said, we are recording two episodes this week. So we'll see how we'll see how we start to act in the second episode, because I feel like that's where we're going to start to get a little delusional. Yeah, I'm going to be like running on fumes. So Emma's traveling next week, so I'm going to have to edit in her pregnancy update to next week's episode. But that means next week I'm going to have time to do a Let's Research Mama, which I'm very excited about. I think we should get into wind. You want to do wind? I want to do wind. I would really like to have a grasp on wind. We can do wind.

7:03 I think. A concept. This doesn't have to be in the actual pod, but a concept would be you do a let's research and then try to explain it to me and then vice versa. OK. You know what I mean? So like next time I would do want to try to explain it to you from my research. OK. Knowing that we both didn't understand it to start. I love that. Yeah, I think we should do that. OK. I will delete my idea for Let's Research Mama next week. Oh, I didn't see what I just saw. I will have time for one. Do you not have the second bullet there? Oh, I can't read. I do want to talk about Jen Shaw, but that's like a whole other thing, because like. wind is something we don't understand we need to research to talk about it in any way shape or form but jen shaw i understand i just would like to know all the tea oh yeah that's like the deep dive i was gonna go down let's do that okay whatever you want okay but um yeah so i was gonna post a poll to see which one people were into because i want to do both eventually but um yeah i want to do Either the deep dive on like the Jen saw Jen Shaw saga or like all of the real housewives that have had run into with the law. Like and I just like want to do a deep dive on that. Yeah.

8:35 Post a poll. I think I would vote for all of them because Jen Shaw can just be like a part of that. Yeah. I feel like scamming old people isn't necessarily that exciting. Oh, have you seen the documentary about it? No, because it is exciting. Why is there a documentary about Jen Shah? Don't they know how that will blow her head up? Oh, my God. Oh, she was mad about the documentary. So this is a couple of things. This documentary released the week before I think her trial was set to actually start. And I feel like this is probably why she ended up going to plead guilty. But the. like all she said was it turned me in it made me out to be this horrific monster of a person and like it didn't really focus a lot on like the other co -conspirators and the yeah thing so i do get why she was like why is it just me but i'm at the same time i'm like mama you were leading the whole song and dance i know it's like i understand she probably didn't do a lot of the work but it's like she's the figurehead it's like blaming the queen of england for political issues in england like that's kind of what she's there for sorry well that and like you were also probably the most horrific about it and like it was probably your idea truth be told yeah but alex said he wants

10:05 to come on for it because he doesn't know anything about Any of the Real Housewives. And he's like, does it make it better if I don't know who Jen Shaw is? And I was like, a little bit. Kind of, yeah. I would love an attorney's two cents on all of the issues. I would too. Including Jen Shaw, for sure. So I wanted to share a fun story that I heard last week. And it's chaotic as hell. So just buckle up. There was a fire. in butler tarkington area last week i think somewhere yeah somewhere on the north side there was a house fire i have heard about so many house fires recently what is happening that everything is burning down well let me tell you i know one of them okay so um the one of the ladies that works at my doctor's office it like lives in this neighborhood across the street from where one of these house fires was and Nancy was at home and she was just living her life and she noticed smoke and she said, I'm going to call the fire department because something feels off about this much smoke. And then she runs over to a burning house and says, how how do we how do we navigate this situation?

11:27 So I guess what happened was the mom, there's a mom, a dad and two daughters. The mom left to go. go to the grocery store while a smoker was running yeah and you know my dad's obsessed with a smoker so I am familiar I'm surprised it caused a fire though I'm not at all familiar I didn't know like I didn't know they could start fires I thought it was just smoke well well that's my thing that's why I'm surprised it started a fire because um they run at like very low temperatures compared to like a grill or a stove or something like that see that's what i always thought yeah they do it's a much lower temperature than maybe it was just too close to the house i don't know i mean it gets hot you can't touch it the how of the fire is the least chaotic piece of this story though so nancy sees the smoke and she's like let me let me go over let me just make sure everything's okay she goes into the house she is She opens the door and she goes in and there's like a full blown fire burning, like I guess like inside, like on the other side of the wall from where the smoker was like the smoke. The fire has like reached the inside. She's like rampaging to the house because she's freaking out. She's like, I have to get I assume the daughter's out of the house. So she like slams open one of the doors. There's a daughter who's deaf in

12:57 one ear. Has has an air pod in the other ear. And you might say to yourself, couldn't she? Couldn't she smell the smoke? A fun fact. She has long COVID. She did not smell the smoke because the long COVID has impacted her sense of smell. The other daughter was sleeping in the bed, taking a nap. Can I tell you, I think that would be how if I couldn't smell or taste anything. That would be absolutely horrible. Because I remember having COVID and not being able to smell or taste. And it really does throw you off. Like, majorly. I guess I don't know what I would do with that.

13:39 Because, like, what else do you have in life? I would get so skinny. Right. Truly. Anyway. So the other daughter was asleep in the bed. Because she needed a nap on this good day. So Nancy's on the phone with the mom being like, you have to get home. There's a fire raging in your house. And I guess the mom comes home and they're like the fire department shows up. They do their thing. And then Nancy's like, here, let me call the dad because the dad was at work. Yeah. The dad is on his way home. She's on the phone with him and she's like, you need to get home now because your house is like going up in flames. And the dad gets home, parks his car in the driveway, gets out of the car and decides, I'm going to pull attention from this situation.

14:31 Has a heart attack in the front yard of this house. And this is the second time that day that Nancy had to call 911 to this home. Yeah. Long time no talk. And so the. At this point, the fire has been like put out. And I guess the fire inspector is doing like whatever a fire inspector does and like is checking the house. Yeah. This is the moment where people find out, oh, you must have at least one homeowner present while the fire inspector is doing his thing. So the mom couldn't go to a hospital with the dad. So he's just in the emergency room. I don't know where the daughters are at this point. And then the fire inspector like finishes what he's doing.

15:23 And then as he's like walking out of the house and as the firefighters are leaving, the roof literally fucking collapses on their heads. I mean, listen, with a fire like that's not that surprising because you have to have supports up. And if those supports were ashes. Sure. Like that makes sense. Sure. Nancy, the American hero, says, come on, let's go over to my house. Let's let's figure out what to do next. And the mom looks at Nancy. I don't know where the daughters are at this point, but the mom looks at Nancy and goes, Nance, could you be a dear and get me a drink? I really I need a drink. Like, honestly, yeah. Go to the hospital with your husband who had a heart attack. I don't. if she could even remember at that point that her husband had a heart attack I mean you're not wrong like oh my god but Nancy proceeds to make a an old -fashioned with smoked bourbon because that felt like the right thing to do in that moment and what I do know is you know I'm not like I don't subscribe to a lot of like ghosts or like spooky stuff or whatever. But like, I do believe they need to call an Etsy witch, a shaman, a priest, something.

16:41 They have got to at least sage that house. Get, get the demons out. There is a demon living on that property that did not want them to carry on. That is so insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. Thank God for Nancy. She has so much good karma coming her way. She's about to have the best year of her life. Like, can you imagine like, so you're, like rampaging through this house and like you're trying to like hold your shit together and then you look over and you're like how can all of this go wrong one thing after another I would feel like I'm the problem like I'm going crazy this is actually not happening like pinch me I'm dreaming right situation like and it's I it's I feel okay talking about it with some level of levity because everyone in this scenario is okay right now yeah But can you imagine like. No, because like with my neighbors, I try to just mind my own business. So I can't imagine being that far up their business because shit just keeps happening all day. Oh, my God.

17:46 You're like, yeah, I guess let me get you a drink. Hang on. Yeah, I guess. Oh, my God. Do you want to ride to the hospital? Oh, my God. Oh, Lord. um well i guess one person was hurt and it was the guy who had a heart attack but sounds like he's okay well in the article it doesn't it doesn't even acknowledge that it was because of a heart attack it said he was injured in the fire which maybe the heart attack was a byproduct of the fire i feel like maybe they didn't know the full story and just like saw that someone was taken to the hospital and like assumed it was because of the fire Oh, maybe. That happens a lot with, like, big disasters. People just assume, like, anyone in the vicinity who got hurt was hurt because of that. I don't know. That's crazy.

18:35 Also, like, what a juicy news story. I bet the reporter who got their hands on that was like, yes, Nancy, tell me what happened next. Well, but that's the thing. Nancy didn't even want to talk to the news as I'm sitting here, like, posting her business all over the internet. Oh, my God. But she was like, no, I don't want the attention. I was like, I'm going to call. channel 13 and be like i have a story about an american hero for you i would be walking around in a wonder woman costume yeah like what do you mean oh my god do you have anything to complain about so much what what are you complaining about today let me ruminate on it how about you complain first i i have i have one that i don't know where to put this anger So there's a lot of racism surrounding Carnival Cruises right now that I've seen on TikTok. Racism? Yes, where people like so Carnival Cruises has the entire vibe of being the fun ship, right? Like and. I've seen like comments on TikToks where it's like Section 8 Cruises or. The Nissan Altima of cruises, or I didn't know you could pay for a cruise with EBT, like just the most horrific, disgusting language around. I mean, they are the cheapest cruise line. Whatever. I don't care. Like, I don't care. But the part that bothers me is like, why are we making it about that when you see

20:06 like a bunch of men and women of color out next to the pool? Having a good time dancing like that. I didn't know the context. I thought they were making a video saying Carnival Cruises, you know, are the Walmart version of a real cruise. They are saying that. But because of the clientele that is portrayed, by the way, I've been on what, five or six cruises in my life. Half of them have been on Carnival Cruises. I love Carnival Cruises. And like. the thing that bothers me is like why are we gonna make it about that why why does it have to be about like why does it have to become such an ugly ugly ugly thing that we're doing to people that are just having a good time because like you wouldn't do this if you were out at a bonfire singing like Brian fuck you and that is super weird I will say I don't know if you saw but like the train wreck series on Netflix dropped a documentary about the poop cruise so like carnival's pr is not great right now but let me just say if you're going on a cruise at all even on carnival you are spending thousands of dollars on a vacation like there's no reason to call these people broke first of all well that and like i also i want you to know that if i'm on a carnival cruise and I am out there in the middle of the ocean

21:37 with an unlimited buffet and the unlimited drink package. They took away the unlimited drinks, too. I think that's where a lot of the hate is coming from, too, is they just took that away. They just changed that policy because people were getting throttled. Well, we'll revisit that. But if I am surrounded by people that are just having a good time and that's what's happening, just know that's exactly where I want to be. And fuck you for making it racist. Yeah. I hate that they're being racist about it. It's gross. I do understand hate towards Carnival Cruise Lines, but not because of their clientele. I can see some of the hate towards Carnival because I will say that... The way that they conduct business is not ideal in that they've covered up a lot of activity on the boats for like from some of their staff. They have they have mishandled a ton of situations. So I don't agree with like this. This is bad. Yes, it's really bad. We got the poop cruise documentary. We got them taking away unlimited drinks because people are getting too drunk. We got. All of that happening. So I feel like that's just feeding into it. So there's that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's so many ways to hate on Carnival Cruise Lines that has nothing to do with being racist towards their staff.

23:01 Yeah. On a lighter note, did you see that kid who was singing? Keith Sweat. No, we talked about her. But obviously there's this little boy. He's probably like early 20s. He's not a teenager. He was singing Keith Sweat on a cruise. I think it was a carnival cruise. And he went viral like multiple times for doing it because it was so funny and cute. Good for him. Honestly, good for him. I think his name was Tyler. Yeah. Anyway. I'm not going to complain about anything today because I've had a long Fourth of July weekend. And I really can't think about anything else to complain about. But I'm not going to expose myself like that. Fair enough. Reality Roundup is going to be a long one today because we have three episodes of Secret Lives to cover. And then also Real Housewives of Orange County is coming back this week. It comes back. tomorrow I think as of the day of this recording um and I just want to say I'm really excited because Katie Janelle is back this season and I didn't know for sure at the end of last season if she was going to be back because some of the girls didn't love her and oh I've never watched Orange County I mean I have but like in passing I don't know who anyone is so Orange County is the hardest

24:32 to watch for me. And it's I think it's getting better because they've moved away from this idea of like. It's and it's it's similar to what New York had to do to where they've moved away from this like whole I'm the OG thing, because I think that becomes very, very toxic very quickly. Like you had Ramona Singer and Sonia Morgan and Luann Deliseps on New York who people just. could not be around anymore, got so bad. And then it was the same way with Vicki Gunvalson on OC. And now that they've kind of reshaped the cast a little bit, I think it's becoming more watchable. But Katie was probably one of my favorite people on the show last year. And some of the girls didn't like her because I think she was a little too honest for some people's liking, which I really appreciated. But my favorite thing about her is that she follows me on TikTok. Oh, hi, Katie. Because I commented one time and said, or on someone's video, I don't remember whose it was, but I was like, I want to be friends with Katie Janela so bad because they were like, it was a clip about her. And she literally said, well, let's be friends. And then immediately followed me. And I was like, what a cool girl.

25:48 She is a very cool girl. She's just so fucking cool. Appealing to the masses. Yeah. And I do need to catch up on Salt Lake City so that we can talk about season six and I'll know what's up and down. Well, so they they've started to talk. They've started to do a little bit of promo for it. So I feel like it's coming back in September just based on like how they've done in previous years. Well, it has to come on like late this year. I would assume. I hope so. I. Can't wait. I'm so excited. I want to be back. Whitney Rose does say something to the effect of like, it's a very weird season. Like, I don't know what to do with that, but I'm kind of excited. Yeah.

26:34 Hmm. Yeah. OK. Cool. Period. Are you ready to jump into the secret lives of Mormon wives? Yes. OK. Episode six, the Book of Redemption. Yeah, this is the one that really, like, got me to feel for Jen. Okay, I will give you that because at the beginning of this episode, Whitney and Jen are supposed to ride to the airport together. Jen's not picking up the phone. And so Whitney goes to Jen's house and she's like, what's going on? And Jen answers the door like she had just gotten out of bed. That's the thing, like. That really got me. I feel like you can see it in her face, in her eyes, in her body that she's depressed. Like she needs actual help and assistance.

27:27 Like she's not doing well. Right. So Whitney goes in and she's like, and what I do appreciate about Whitney is that she's a friend like. like i am like you are like some of the other people we know where it's just like i'm gonna force my way into this house and you're going to deal with me being here for a minute because i am worried about you yeah like i need i need to know if you're like okay right yeah whitney goes in and she's the house is a mess house is a wreck she's talking through like hey okay so like what's going on and then like jen opens up a little bit whitney's This is where I started to turn for Whitney, where I was just like, oh, you're an incredible friend. This is her shiniest moment, I will say. Yeah, I agree. I ended the whole season on being like, I don't really care about Whitney one way or another, but this was a good moment for her. 100%. Someone needed to show up for Jen, for sure. She even goes as far as to start cleaning up the house. And I was like, how? That's really fucking sweet. Well, yeah, she's like cleaning up the cereal bowl. And I also feel like poor Jen. I know. I know that she's like a liar and whatever, but like. But two things can be true at the same time. She says like, oh, yeah, that bowl of cereal is there because that's the only thing I can eat, which

28:58 tells me she's also. throwing up she has morning sickness she's not feeling well pregnancy oh i didn't even think about that yeah so like on top of not being mentally okay she's physically not okay right and like i've seen sorry now i've seen so many videos and pictures of her just like in the bed like i think she spent a lot of her time in this season of life in her bed sure and like I've seen pictures of like her kids visiting her in her bed because like she can't even get up, which is sad. I don't know.

29:40 I feel for her. I feel I don't want anyone to be depressed. Yeah. That for me, though, doesn't change every other one of her actions. And so I like that's where I can say two things can be true at the same time where I want. you to be okay I also don't want you to lie to yourself your husband and the rest of the world I would love if two of those things could happen together yeah I will say I think when you're depressed and like just not doing well yourself it's hard to like take accountability for things and be like oh well this part of my life is also fucked up sorry you know and I know that like Intuitively, we know that like that would make it easier on her if she would just go apologize because then relationships would be mended. Oh, sure. Like when you're in it, it's so hard to see that, you know. I agree. The girls get to Scott's jail and these girls love a party bus. I feel like that's also they went to the school of Real Housewives for that. So. Something that I did find out is that I guess Hulu took or poached a bunch of producers from Bravo and like there was like a mass exodus. That's where you got Vanderpump Villa. That's where you got. some other reality

31:12 show. And that's where you got the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Like it is a shot for shot, almost remake of the format of Real Housewives. Yeah, because that felt very Real Housewives to me. I don't feel like any of them had ever been in a party bus before. No, no, no, no. Whitney tries to get on the stripper pole, but apparently her cut's not healed yet. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't. So one of the girls was like, oh, no, no, no, you're inside. Your inside's not healed yet. And I was like, what? Yeah. No. So, okay. Six weeks after you have a baby is the first time you can exercise. Okay. Or have sex or anything like you are not to do shit for six whole weeks.

31:55 But even after that, there's still healing to be done. They say your body is not fully healed from having a baby for three years. That's fucking wild. But like. A lot of shit happens like your abs. Don't they like separate? Yeah. Yeah. And that takes time to come back together. Sometimes they never come back together. It's a whole thing. But yeah, they say like you can you can be healing for like three years. And even after you're like cleared after six weeks, I feel like, yeah, you probably shouldn't be on the pole. Probably not. They get to the house. Macy's 100 percent being sponsored by Poppy. Like that's that's the most evident marketing. I've ever seen in my life.

32:39 Get your bag, queen. What I do appreciate about these girls is the way that they go about selecting rooms because not one of them has an ego about it. They're like, I'll sleep here. I'll sleep in the bunk bed. I don't care. Like, whatever. They're all very chill. There is no I've never seen any real housewife be chill about their room. Oh, anything. I've. I've only ever, it's only ever bothered me on New York where Ramona Singer will chase people through a house being like, no, I want this room. I want this room. I want this room. Oh, it bothered me on Potomac too. That's like, they would talk about it for days with what room they're in. Let me just tell you, if I've got a bed, I don't know that I care.

33:22 I will sleep on the couch. I really don't give a shit. Yeah. But like. Bravo is paying for my vacation. Hello. Right. But these girls were very cool about it. So that was fine. They go downstairs for dinner. The dinner looked really, really, really good. Oh my God, didn't it? Yes. Like it looks so good. Yeah. And this is where Whitney's a little bit desperate. And she leads a prayer with the group. And she says, Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for bringing the. mom talk family together and everyone looks at her and i'm like you know what you're doing like stop like just like if you just if you you're on the show right you're ostensibly part of mom talk like you you you know a couple of the girls in this group really really hate you maybe stop pushing it and maybe it just stops being an issue It gets so much worse. It only gets worse. I know. Yeah. You've watched it, but like, yeah, she is kissing feet and kissing ass for sure.

34:31 And I just don't understand. I don't understand. It wouldn't be an issue if you didn't make it an issue. Right. But on the other side of that, Michaela is such a rotten cunt about. Yeah, I don't know why she thinks like the meaner I am, the less likely it'll be for Whitney to stay. I don't understand. I don't even think she cares about like her meanness pushing Whitney. I think she really is just like, I'm just going to be mean to her. I am only here to be mean to her. Well, I think that she thinks if she's mean to her, it'll get her out of mom talk. And it's like, clearly that's not working. Obviously.

35:13 They're having dinner and then Jesse's first instinct is to run to get the truth box. They love a truth box. I really need them to stop. If you have shit to get off your chest, just say it, sister. Oh, my God. Well, it's that and it's like has to be fair. This one does go better than like the rest of them. But I'm like, has this ever worked out in your favor? well it's like i just don't understand why like they just love this anonymous confession thing and it's like just say it with your chest i oh anyway i don't know um a question comes up about the size of jordan's dick oh i could have done without this like the this is and this is something i'm going to say about everything and everyone I don't care how big your partner's dick is. It's truly, I could not care less. I hope you're happy with it. I don't care if it's a micro penis.

36:14 I don't care if it is the size of my leg. I mean, to be fair, she didn't bring it up. Someone else brought it up. She had a picture waiting with a ruler next to it. Well, I think it had been like a common joke. Like people have been saying it for some time. Yeah. And so she like had it locked and loaded and ready. Right. But like, why are you guys so obsessed with this weird man's dick? I don't understand that either. I agree. And I'm just like, maybe if you just. I don't know. And like, I get some of it's for the show, but like. Ew. I could have done without that. They give very like middle school, high school girls who are like giggly and obsessed with the novelty of sex. And I'm like, I wish you guys would grow up. Yes, I agree. But I will say with Jesse and I know that we have. done nothing but be obsessed with jesse i do on some level appreciate she was like no fuck you it's not it's not small yeah i didn't i didn't need the whole song and dance yeah maybe that was a step too far i just think both sides should shut up it's yeah um then the sinner sunday confession comes up about um brett allegedly hooking up with someone else while demi was out of town and i have a theory about this Jimmy started a burner account to submit that center Sunday confession. And that's how she got a storyline

37:47 this season. I believe that because I don't know that there's anything else going on like for her, except for hating Taylor. And maybe this cheating scandal happened. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I do feel like she's desperate for a storyline, but. And she's so egotistical that I don't see her like throwing herself under the bus for it. Oh, I think she would cut her nose off to spite her face anytime. Really? 100%. I don't see that for her. I think she's too narcissistic. Maybe. But I don't know. And then we hear about Demi basically being willing to throw or Jesse off the show for more money. Exhibit A. Right.

38:35 And then she gets a confessional about the situation where she talks about Jesse having the whole hair empire, which means she has money. And I was like, oh, you're that girl. You don't want anyone else to have anything. And if someone has more than you, it's you're not OK with it. You're that girl. Oh, 100 percent. That is Demi. It only gets worse. She is such a snake bitch. Oh my God. I could not believe my ears. Just because Jesse has money does not mean she's not entitled to the income she should receive from being on the show or being in MomTalk or whatever. You are jealous and you are weird. And by the way, I don't give a fuck how much money anyone has. I don't care. I don't care at all. And it bothers me that you think it's selfish that Jesse's on the show and she's also like independently wealthy of the show. And you think that she's taking too much of the pie like that. That to me really bothers me. And like if that bothers you about Jesse. Why don't you look within and see that like you want that for yourself and start your own business outside of mom talk like Jesse? I just don't understand that. And like it's like going to a job and being like, well, I should make more money because I come from nothing. And she has family money like she's a trust fund baby. I know we're doing the same job, but she should make less. That's the equivalent

40:05 of what she's doing. And that is fucking weird. Right. And this is where I started to turn. Well, actually, I think this is where I fully turned on Demi. Like, this is where I immediately stopped liking her because I was just like, oh, you are not a good person. She's a snake. Yes. Next morning, girls go to breakfast and Whitney tries to talk to Macy about saying that she doesn't I guess she doesn't regret going or not going to the baby mama launch. Because she wouldn't have known how to fix it had she not taken made that choice. The logic that I understand what she was trying to say. I do, too. But I think she just missed the crucial part of saying that she's sorry.

40:53 Just say you fucked up. It's OK. Like, it's OK. But she's like dying on this hill of I didn't fuck up. I was looking out for myself, blah, blah, blah. But you're missing the point of like. you looked out for yourself to the point of not showing up for your friends. Right. You could have shown up and not talk to a soul except for Macy. Sure. And I also think it's weird of you to bring this up. The morning Macy is like hosting this big pickleball tournament and just wants like good vibes. Oh, I didn't even think about that. I think Macy was just, or I'm sorry. I think Whitney was just like, I have to go say something now. And like, I, it, It was bad timing, 100%. But like, I think that she didn't even think about. Which also is problematic. That is a common theme with her, though. She does not think of anyone except for Whitney. I agree.

41:45 It's like, girl, you're doing what you're apologizing in air quotes for again right now. You're taking her moment and you're making it about you. Right. Oh, sorry. So they kind of just agree to disagree and like move on. And Macy's an angel. She can't hold a grudge. Macy can do no wrong. She's so perfect. I love her. I feel like. Michaela is really going out of her way to be just hateful, as hateful as the day is long to Whitney. And I get frustrated. I sit, wait. No, because Whitney like slams her hands on the table. Oh, because she's like, let's fucking talk about it. Okay.

42:32 Yeah. Okay. So I see why Whitney got to that point. I think that's what Michaela is trying to do. Michaela is gaslighting Whitney. Michaela is trying to provoke her. So she can say, look, this is the girl we know. This is the girl we know. Exactly. A hundred percent. That is what Michaela has been trying to do this whole time. Right. Because if Whitney starts spiraling and crashing out, she can be like, see. She doesn't belong here. Right. She's she's too volatile for the. OK, so dear listener, what you just listen to is like a fragmented chain of thought. So Whitney starts slamming her hands on the table because like the girls are like, we all have a problem with you. We have or Michaela is like, we all have a problem with you. And then that's when Whitney's just like, well, let's bring it out. And then that's how we get to this point of I'm pushing you to this point. I don't know if it's fully on purpose, but I think she's not.

43:25 She's not mad about it getting there. Oh, I do. I think that's why she's been so mean to her. I think she's saying the most hateful things she can think of to Whitney at every turn to try to provoke her into crashing out. Maybe. Because she wants to point the finger at Whitney and be like, banish her. Okay. I don't know that that's the truth. I just feel like from watching that that's the vibe I get from Michaela. Right. This entire time, did you ever say to yourself, where's Taylor? No, I knew she wasn't going to go. I thought they talked about it. No, she was in the bed. She was asleep in the bed. And she's like, I heard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's like, I was in the bed. I have three children. I wanted some sleep. I never get a chance to sleep. So I slept in. That is so fucking funny. I thought that was so kind. Can you imagine? So like a camera crew shows up early in the morning and like everyone's getting at least a little bit like ready, awoken to like be on camera. And you're just like, no, go back to sleep. I love that. I want to hear the story of the cameraman.

44:39 And the producer that were assigned to Taylor that day, because the Real Housewives have talked a lot about this. We're like when when a scene is starting, there's there's lighting. There's like a whole thing. There's there's camera. There's a sound guy. I know they didn't have to Mike Taylor for this, obviously. But like, I want to know what the I assume production assistant and the cameraman were just like standing there being like, did we wake her up? Like in my mind's eye, I like to picture her just being like, no, I'm going back to sleep. I like to imagine her being like, you guys can hang out. I'm going to be here. Whatever you want. Unconscious. Yeah.

45:22 I think that that is beautiful. And as someone who's had a baby. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. What's the point of a vacation if you still can't fucking sleep? I agree. We go back to Jen's house in Utah where she's depressed as fuck and she's in the bed and it does not like it does not look like she's been out of the bed for days and it does not look like she's getting out of bed anytime soon. I look up props to Zach because you can't do that without someone supporting you, taking care of the kids. Right. I think that I'd be worried about how Zach is like being a dad in that scenario. But I also think like, you know what? whatever we need to do i guess he's their dad regardless so like yeah he'll figure it out to do but yeah um it is sad it is really sad and then that's where we find out that production decided to stop filming with jen because I think they sensed that it was really that bad. Yeah, and, like, what is there to film? You have a depressed pregnant lady who is taken to the bed.

46:26 She is taken to the bed. And, like, even if she did get up and, like, did you think, like, you don't want this depressing storyline also of, like, a pregnant lady who's trying to pick herself back up. Like, that's not. Right. You don't need to film that. No. You know. I agree. So we get to Macy's pickleball. pickleball tournament and celebrity is a term we're using loosely for yeah for the hosts because i forgot who joey fatone was yeah i couldn't the part that got me is that i couldn't pin him when i saw him initially because he's gotten so old i if you wouldn't have put up the chiron of his name i Done to my head.

47:14 I had no idea. I couldn't even pin him. But, I mean, maybe for a pickleball tournament. I don't know. That's a celebrity. It's not like an F1 race or something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I do think. It was cute. It was cute. And I do what I think it was really cool that the girls all showed up and they were they were very excited to support her. Yeah, I think that was really, really cool. And like, I think Macy probably had a really good time. I think she was probably she deserved that to have eyes on her and like do her little thing. Absolutely. It was cute. The girls go to dinner and. And then Whitney decides her strategy to deflect the hate for her is to bring up the Demi trying to get Jesse fired situation. And she literally says, I want the tea. I want the deeds. Like, let's get some of the heat off of me. Yeah. She's like, so I heard a little inkling last night. Can someone tell me the full story there? Yeah. And don't bring me into it. Demi says that it's not a shock that she was the fan favorite. And I feel like I need to go back and watch season one because I don't remember Demi from season one. I think she made that up. I don't think there was a poll and she won. I think she made that up for herself.

48:41 I think she saw so many tweets of like, oh, I love Demi. She's so pretty. And like decided, declared herself. the fan favorite can i be honest about something lost me in that moment oh 100 the best part about demi is her hot husband yeah i think she's hot too okay no i wish she would just like sit there and shut up she's i don't find her to be interesting i don't find her to be enjoyable to watch i haven't seen her be like a kind caring friend no You know, even when she's with Jesse, like her best friend on the show.

49:22 No, because she tried to get her kicked off the fucking show. She doesn't give a fuck about Jesse. Are you kidding? But I'm like, that's the person she's closest to on the show. And I've still never seen her just be like genuinely nice and caring to her. Well, this comes out later that. yeah apparently jesse and demi have only been friends for like a year or two yeah they didn't even know each other like that so i have a feeling that demi might be one of these girls and we know some a couple of people like this where you become friends with them and then they they're like you're my best friend and you've known them for like 17 minutes and yeah i think that's who we're dealing with here but i just Oh, I don't like her anyway. And then Taylor says, hang on a minute. The show exists because of me. And I love that they break the fourth wall here.

50:12 Like, I think that's really amazing. Layla starts to jump in to defend Demi because why not? And Taylor's just like, you can defend her when I'm done talking. And I. I love Taylor when she's like, I'm going to set a boundary and you're not going to walk over me. Yeah, because I feel like she's been good about that this season, especially about like she's not taking all of the claims. She's not like making everything about herself. But in this moment, Demi crossed the line and she's like, OK, hold up. Wait. Yeah. None of you would be here if I did not gather you here. Right. Like. And I'm glad she stood on that. That and like and I do believe this about Taylor is that she's not the girl that's like, I have to have all the brand deals. I have to have X, Y and Z. Like, I do believe Taylor is who she says she is, where she's like, I just like. I've got a lot going on. And I do feel like she's happy for the other girls when they do get opportunities and do cool things. Demi, on the other hand, not happy for fucking anyone, including Taylor, who is the one who got her there. I agree. But the long and short of it is Demi is just a bad friend. And she basically says that Jesse isn't as valuable to the show as the other girls. And Macy starts to recognize that Demi is an asshole. Yeah. You have Angel.

51:37 Macy being like, yeah, I don't think she's a good person. Macy, by the way, who's willing to forgive Whitney for being rotten as fuck. Yeah. She can find the silver lining in just about anyone. Like, come on. I think she wants to. I don't think she wants to be like on a hate train towards anyone. But Demi was so bad and problematic that even Macy is like, oh, no. Right. the girls go out to a club to dance but not drink and i sure whatever i feel like i i get it you're mormon i get it i i don't need to hear about how you don't drink all the time i don't care i don't care if anyone drinks on the show but you you hear it though when they're like we don't drink and it's like the virgin mocktails and it's like this and i'm like i don't care like it it feels like you're telling it so like It would be like me putting on that show so my granny thinks I don't drink. Right. That's what it feels like to me. Who are you proving it to? Are you worried your family is going to see you went to a club and assumed you drank? If you don't drink, you don't drink. Who gives a fuck? You don't need to keep saying it. Right. I do, however, feel like I could have fun at a club with Whitney and Macy. They do look... Whitney looks like...

52:56 She does let it all go. She'll dance. She'll have fun. I think she's fun. I do think they had a good old time. They get home and they go to skinny dip in the hot tub. Brett gets on the phone with Demi and I was like, ooh, maybe I don't like Brett as much as I thought I did because he was like, you're not going to be skinny dipping like this, that, and the other. And Miranda, I appreciate, was like, oh yeah, I skinny dip before. I skinny dip all the time. I don't care if my pussy's out. I fucking love her and I love her so much. It was weird because I did feel like Demi would have gone skinny dipping if not for Brett. But I also understand like having a boundary in your relationship of like, OK, you're on this show and like you share your whole life. Can you just not be naked? I can get that.

53:46 I felt like she knew she needed to ask permission of him, though, and that's why she called him. Yeah. Yeah, I have a feeling that's how most of their relationship goes. But I don't know. Yeah, I had the benefit of the doubt where I was like, maybe it's not a permission thing. Maybe it's just a like. Almost like damage control, but I don't even mean it like that. It's like if you think your partner might be upset about something and so you call them just to get their maybe two cents on it. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, it did give very weird vibes. Especially with how the other girls took it.

54:27 Because they were all like, oh, you're not going to go because of your husband? Hmm. So I wonder if there's something we're not seeing. Maybe. Between them, too. Yeah. I also feel like getting in the pool with your tits out is not skinny dipping. It's not. What they did was not skinny dipping. They were all wearing underwear. Right. There was nothing blurred out. Well, their boobs. Yeah. But I was like, you've never been skinny dipping if you think that this is skinny dipping. Right. I 100 % buy it. Miranda's been skinny dipping. I do know that about her to be the truth. I think she probably thought it was silly goofy. They were all keeping their underwear on. I think she said, oh, OK, if you guys are not taking your pussies out, I guess I won't. OK. So maybe at one point production was like, hey, no holes.

55:18 Maybe. I don't know. So we get to episode seven, the book of gratitude. So last day in Scottsdale, the girls are doing tick tocks and we find out Layla's planning a Friendsgiving, but she doesn't know who she's inviting. And Whitney asks if she's officially back in mom talks. So the girls vote Whitney and Taylor vote. Yes. Demi, Michaela and Macy vote no or at least not yet. Can I tell you? Please. It is my absolute nightmare for my group of friends to take a vote on if I can be in our group of friends. That is nightmare fuel. And I would rather fucking die. OK, so this is one of the point five percent of times where you and I don't agree, because the way that I would love it, I feel like I love the drama. I love the mess. Like, I love it. But but but but but. I also don't feel like I would ever let a train wreck of a friendship in a group get to the point where my friends feel like they have to vote me in or out. Yeah, I I just had a hard time with that. I live to be accepted.

56:37 I don't want to know. I mean. That's not even true. I want to know people's bad opinions of me. I don't want to know if you think that I should be included in something or not. Right. Just tell me, like, just tell me you don't want me there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I also thought it was weird of Demi a little bit to vote no, especially after she was just done crashing out. And it's like, Demi, come on. I do like that Macy like I felt like Macy was just standing with Michaela and voting not yet because she hadn't seen that growth from Whitney, especially after Whitney did a non apology for the baby mama thing the day before. I think if that conversation had gone differently, Macy would be like, I'm all in. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it's icky. It was icky. The girls go back home and Jesse goes over to Demi's house. I didn't pay a bit of attention to this scene. Like, whatever. They didn't like air anything out. Jesse was just like, yeah, we've talked about this already. Yeah. And I was just like, yeah, OK. I disassociated the whole time. I didn't like it one bit because I wish. Jesse would have taken that opportunity to be like hey what the fuck by the way right right right but apparently they had already like talked about it in between seasons one and two and like she didn't want to rehash mama is reality tv that's the name of the game you must rehash

58:10 you must let the world see your problems yeah um taylor goes over to dakota's airbnb with that fucking go -yard bag she loves that go -yard bag yeah also why are all these people living in airbnbs you've got jen living in airbnb you've got dakota like who else is living in an airbnb right now i don't know i don't know if that's like they're how they're renting maybe i don't know it all seems strange i feel like you would have to pay out the nose I also wonder if like maybe they live somewhere else and they're renting an Airbnb to film. Maybe because they do do that on The Real Housewives 2. Yeah. Yeah. Dakota doesn't have baby wipes. You talked about this before. I have a real issue with dads acting in ways moms never would. Well, Taylor also didn't have baby wipes in that moment, so. Well, like, she was dropping her kid off. So, like, you shouldn't have to bring the essentials with you. I feel like if you're going to have a co -parenting relationship, listen, I'm not in their relationship, so I can't say, but I feel like if I were in a co -parenting relationship, the only things that have to move back and forth are like the toys and blankets and whatever that your kid is obsessed with and needs every single day.

59:39 I don't, I feel like both parents should have diapers, wipes, food, clothes, all of those things. On deck at their house at all times. I agree. I just. That's fair. I mean, yeah, I don't know. It just made me feel like, what are we doing? That baby sat in shit for so long, too. That's all I could see while I was watching it. I was like, is someone going to step in here? Anyway, moving on. We get to a scene with Demi and Layla. I guess Layla and Cam got into a knockdown drag out fight. So she's. flying solo flying solo at friendsgiving yeah and i get that like she doesn't want to do that because i'm also the single guy at everything so like i get where she's coming from with it like it's hard i get that it's it's fine it's it's hard if you're insecure about it well yeah and i feel like if she were just like like you're fully single you know what I mean but she just like had a falling out that's fair with the guy she was seeing and so you're like seeing all these happy couples and knowing like you're having issues I think that's hard too right and it's her event and she was like I'm finally gonna you know be coupled up and it's gonna be my event we're gonna kind of host together well i think she's completely valid in everything she's saying like i i won't take any of that away from her and like i do get like it's like i think for me it's like weddings

1:01:09 when i go to weddings and i'm just like oh god like everyone else is here and it's about love and like yeah yeah i get that it's fair um i guess leila invited whitney to friendsgiving but isn't sure about inviting jen which I don't think it matters if you invite her. She's not going to show up because she's in the bed. Yeah. I mean, I don't think anyone, no one's entitled to an olive branch, right? You don't have to extend that if you don't want to. Right. And then Demi says that she feels like Taylor is triggered by her success. The biggest evidence of projecting I've ever seen. Put it in the textbook.

1:01:52 Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up, Demi. You're intimidated by Taylor. And so you have flipped that into saying Taylor is intimidated by you. Yes. That is so mentally ill of you. Yes. That's insane. Like what you're saying is insane. Get a grip, girl, because I see right through everything you're saying. Right. But also, why do you need someone to be triggered by your success? Why can't everyone just be successful? Why can't that be okay? I think she's one of those people where she like doesn't realize that there's space for everyone to do well and succeed. She feels like there's a pot. And everything's being taken out of it before she can grab. That's not what's happening. Life is a zero sum game for her. Yes.

1:02:37 She feels like anything anyone else is getting is something she didn't get. Exactly. And that is such a toxic and juvenile way to think. I agree. Michaela and Macy go to the car wash and I could have fucking done without finding out Michaela is. scared of the fucking car wash my god my god what is that like whatever whatever i don't want to chomp on people's my whole body tenses up when people chew so like whatever no no no no that's not the same thing that's not the same thing i just are you Are you a child?

1:03:24 Are you Max? Like, are you my dog? Can you not 12 pound dog? Can you not. Listen to the man, go, go, go right, go left, like whatever the case may be. And then. Are you afraid you're going to get stuck? I don't understand what you're afraid of. Are you just doing this for attention, Michaela? And then they start to talk about baking and apparently. Baking is a huge part of Mormon culture. And that's great. Michaela is going to start baking sourdough only to be Whitney's sourdough. And I was just like, I didn't I could have gone without knowing that, too, because that really, really screams you need to grow the fuck up. She's just Whitney's living in your head. Rent free, girl. Rent fucking free. So then Demi and Brett go to the baking store. I also could have done without that scene. I like there was a lot about baking in this in this episode. I could have done without all of it.

1:04:27 But I loved the end of it when the audio kept recording. Oh, yeah. I totally forgot about that. So. they like so they go and they buy like dick sprinkles for cake i guess i don't fucking know and they leave and then the cameras go down and then brett just keeps saying you know i never shoot on you like you know in a million years and then demi we're talking about that in the store demi brought up like oh the silly little sinner sunday thing but it does feel like you're a little bothered when i bring it up and i i don't understand why you're bothered And it absolutely happened. And then the camera stopped rolling.

1:05:10 The audio kept going. He was like, you know, I never do that. Right. You know, I never cheat on you. That is a guilty man. Okay. If you wouldn't have ever done it. Right. Why didn't you tell me? It's okay. We're cool. That's what I'm saying. And I can kind of understand like. defending your relationship to be like i really don't want you to think i did that because i know that that would really hurt you and like that didn't happen it's just an unnecessary strife we would have to go through if you believe that right But that's not the way he was talking. He was like, I need to shut it down. I need to like make it go away. Like, yeah, I need to know that she knows how they can happen. So like we appear as a united front. So when it does come up again, she's saying my, my husband would never do that. That's what's happening here. 100%. Because like, if Kenny came home today and was like, I heard this rumor that you were cheating on me. I would be like, okay. Okay. Show me the proof. Please. Yeah.

1:06:09 Because like, you just don't, I mean, you don't have to get emotional over something that isn't real. I just, yeah. Right. He really dug his own grave there. We get back to Michaela's house where Michaela has hired someone to show her how to bake fucking sourdough to beat Whitney in the bake -off. I'm so fucking over her. Can I just tell you, I know a thing or two about sourdough. There are millions of tutorials on TikTok, on YouTube, on the internet, Sally's Baking Addiction, etc. Where you can learn how to make sourdough. Sure. Not fucking hard. You don't need someone to come to your house. I.

1:06:53 I understand part of this was probably just for the show of like, I'm going to go so far to beat Whitney. Yeah. But like at a certain point, I'm like. Who is this for? It's not for you. Yeah, like you're clearly not enjoying yourself. This man is not enjoying himself. I don't understand it. Whitney and Connor are there. My God, there's more baking content. I've I've written baking in these notes so many times. Whitney and Connor are baking and Zach shows up because Whitney's worried about Jen. She's crying and in the bed every day and apparently it's getting worse. And Zach said or Zach's doing the right thing by defending his wife. But she's also a liar.

1:07:37 So. You're defending a liar. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, a liar who is also your wife and who is also, you know. And I think that Zach is doing the right thing, but like. I don't know. I think once you know someone's like really going through it, you have to give them a little bit of grace. And it's not like she. The lies she told hurt herself and herself only at the end of the day. Lying to. lying to Zach only hurts her at the end of the day because he's bound to find out that she knew. Sure. It doesn't hurt Demi. It doesn't hurt Jesse. It doesn't hurt any of the guys who did the Chippendales things. So, like, I do think it's nice that they gave her a little bit of grace in this time period to, like, get back on her feet mentally. I agree.

1:08:35 The cease and desist. Oh, my God. So I guess Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist out against. Jen and Zach. Is it? OK, so. Oh, yeah, it's Jen and Zach to not talk about whatever is going on from her past. And. that to me specifically what happened at vanderpump villa she doesn't want jen to send to spread her side of the story oh so let me let me tell you something about something that i know about a cease and desist is you only get a cease and desist written if you are in the wrong about something Or if you have a copyright or if you have a patent and someone is infringing on that.

1:09:27 If you have a real legal reason for that, that's different. That's a different thing. But we're talking about cease and desist on people talking. And you only do a gag order. You only get an injunction on someone speaking if you don't want the truth out. Right. There is no other reason because if she were spreading incorrect things, you would let her and then you would charge her with defamation. because if it's not true and you can prove it's not true because there are cameras audio and everything from vanderpump villa you're getting a check mama for defamation of character but you know it's true right so you're doing a preemptive cease and desist which for me like and i understand the legalities behind some of this right for me though I'm just like, oh, you've never once thought about the optics of anything other than how you want to look.

1:10:26 So like you believe that you're going to throw out a cease and desist. And then what do you think is going to come of that? Tell me how you think that's going to shake out for you. It's almost as if she thought the cease and desist would have included that they can't talk about the cease and desist. No, that's not how that works. That would be an NDA, mama. They're not signing that. God. Layla goes to Swig. And something that was really triggering for me is that Layla was able to go in and order a fucking drink. Why the fuck can't we do that in Indy? I don't know. I really don't know. I have been craving a Swig all day, though. Maybe we should go, too.

1:11:10 Let's go to Swig. Did you know? Oh, I did already tell you this. At Sonic, you can get a dirty soda. Oh, yeah. But also at Sonic, you can like do whatever you, it's basically a swig if you make it your own swig. Oh yeah. I never thought about that. That's so beautiful. I have a Sonic like two seconds from my house and I also have a Wawa going in two seconds from my house. I'm happy. I'm really happy for you. My baby's first words are going to be Wawa. Yeah. Oh, Cam. Yeah, Cam. Yes, I forgot Cam was there. I could have done without that, too. I honestly liked it.

1:11:53 I thought that he was really, like, calm and pleasant with her. But this is also the scene where Layla's tape and extensions show so badly that someone should have said something and they just didn't, which is so messed up. I do think that I respected Cam for how he approached this conversation. I felt like he wanted to preserve their relationship. He wanted to tell his side of the story. And he felt like his feelings weren't being reciprocated. And Layla said she was like, oh, yeah, no, I do that. I'm scared I'm going to get hurt type of thing. That's OK. That's fair. I'll give her that. I could. I don't. I think we had to have that conversation for Cam to reenter the show. Maybe. Maybe. Kind of. Because, like, if he would have just come back after not being at Friendsgiving and that whole thing, then, like. That would have been weird. Yeah.

1:12:55 Yeah. Dakota and some man are playing basketball. I disassociated for this entire scene. I have no idea what happened. I feel. OK, so his friend was telling him, like. hey you have a kid now so like whatever's going on between you and taylor you need to put that kid first and also like you guys are in this toxic cycle i think he did actually call them like toxic and he kind of told dakota to get out of it okay which i respected as well good for him i don't remember it that well either i just remember being like yes friend tell him If you can hear Jack in the back, I'm sorry. No, I love it. We get to Friendsgiving.

1:13:43 This event actually looks really, really fucking cool. I like the vibe. I like all of it. Yeah, it was cute. Layla's sister shows up, and she's so fucking pretty. The genetics in that family are insane. Oh, yeah. Insane. but kayla shows up she's baked a bunch of shit like there's a pumpkin pie with jesus's face on it there's i the cinnamon rolls actually did look really good i will give her that i won't take that away from her um but then production 1000 said to put the ctr letters on top of oh yeah so they would be like very similar yeah i think they were just stirring the pot oh yeah i think they also because doesn't whitney end up putting her bread in Out of all the desserts that she baked, she has to choose one to put in there and she does the bread.

1:14:31 I feel like that was production, too. Oh, probably. Yeah. I love the idea of the Mormon bake off. I think that's funny. And when we host a live show, I would like to do this with our listeners where people just show up with baked goods for us to try. But like us themed, not Mormon themed. Yes, it could be. We'll have to workshop a theme, but yeah, I don't because I don't know what our theme would be. It would be pride. Gay bread. Poor Layla. She's not a baker and that's OK. Her pumpkin pie wasn't fully cooked. Oh, poor, poor, poor Layla. Miranda, however, made a blueberry coffee cake that looked incredible. So fucking good. Macy made some peanut butter bars with Joseph Smith standing on the top of them. Bless her. Okay, that's fine. Like, great. She can't do anything wrong. It's fine. Do you think that, like, they just have stores that are selling Joseph Smith, like, merchandise? It looks like she printed it out and cut it up, but I don't know. Oh, okay. See, I was like, does she go to Hobby Lobby? They probably do, though, because Mormons are so rampant in Utah. You know what I mean? They're just running around. They probably do have that. taylor taylor is so silly she got

1:16:02 an apple pie from the grocery store but i think it is so kind that she said i'm gonna put this in a baking dish you guys are gonna like it yeah and she's doing it in the back of her fucking suv i thought that was hysterical yeah in the back of her suv in the parking lot didn't even bother heating it up nothing she said here you go she said i baked this congealed just for you taylor is so funny Demi makes a better than what cake that has dicks all over it. And I was mad because it looked really good. And I Googled it. And I a thousand percent know that I would fucking love a better than sex cake. I would I would eat it like it was my last meal. I just hate Demi. I do, too. So I saw it and I was like, oh, sacrilegious. Got it. Yeah. Connor saying the dicks were a total turn on love. Yeah. Okay.

1:17:01 We get it. We get it. Live in your truth. I'm happy for you. I am too. And I'm glad that your wife hears you say that and just one in one ear and out the other. And she says, hee hee ha ha. She goes, I don't want to look at your phone later. No, don't show me. Layla brings up the confession about Brett and Brett looks furious for a second. And Macy then says that she regrets sharing it with the girls. I'm like, no, you don't. I think if anyone actually feels that way, it would be Macy. Yeah, but I don't believe it. You did your duty, girl. Yes, you served your country. How are you supposed to sit on that and not tell anyone like. of course he told people I agree and then Taylor breaks down for a little bit because of the Dakota situation and I'm honestly really really shocked and surprised at the way the entire group but especially the guys really supported her because they were like you know you don't deserve that like you deserve a good guy and they like want to lift her up and I thought that was really fucking cool they did rally around her I feel like She didn't even expect that because she seemed kind of, like, uncomfortable and, like, emotional about the whole thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, like, hard to watch because it, I mean, I don't know. It's

1:18:32 just, like, they're still having sex. Like, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? Why are you doing that? But also, like, I've been in a toxic relationship. I get it. Y 'all have. Oh, my God. We're almost there, dear listener, to the end of this episode. And then we have a whole other one. But that is basically the end of the... No, I mean, there's a whole other episode to record after this. Right. We have a... Right. No, no, no, no, no. I meant that was the end of episode seven of the Mormon Wives. Yes. And now we're moving on to episode eight. Okay. Okay. So the Book of Betrayal. Episode eight, the Book of Betrayal. Here's where it all starts to get tangly at the CMAs of all places.

1:19:24 We have Taylor presenting an award, which, by the way, she's on the red carpet. She looks as good as any of those girls has ever looked. She looks stunning. Yes. Stunning. Yeah. And then here's where all of the drama starts is she posts. on Instagram, as one does, that she's presenting an award at the CMAs. No one from the group comments on it. However, they didn't feel like they needed to because a lot of them had already texted her saying congratulations, huge night for you, I'll be watching, blah, blah, blah. It's just so exhausting.

1:20:09 It's exhausting. And I've had friends like this before that you have to show support on social media or you don't show support at all. And for me, I guess I don't care either way. I feel like. There is something to be said. The one point I can see that Taylor never makes, but I feel like is embedded here, is the people you support in private, you should also lift up publicly. Sure. You know, however, a comment on one thing that you did after years of you having all of these accomplishments is not a make or break situation. Well, that in the past that I was also willing to give Taylor is that this is your job. Like your job is being public and social media like that is that is your job. And if she just would have said, like, you guys, this is mom talk. This is what we're supposed to do.

1:21:17 Like, I would have bought that. I do feel like she could have hopped in the group chat and been like, hey, guys, we're MomTalk. We're supposed to be a united front here. And I feel like no one's supporting me on this particular thing. Could anyone go comment on it? I feel like that's not giving your dignity away. That's not giving anything away. That's just. You saying, hey, this is weird. Or don't even say, can someone go comment on it? Ask the question. Is there a reason none of you have said anything about it? I feel like it wasn't the content. It was the delivery. If Taylor would have just said, listen, if we could have gone about it differently, I think it would have been different. But we cut to Macy and Michaela going to Demi's house.

1:22:08 Were they unpacked? Taylor's. Delivery and not the content of the delivery. Because she didn't bring it up to them at all. The first thing she did, right, is hop on her Instagram story. Take to a live. Yeah. I have to take to the social media. I must bring this to the attention of. All of my millions of followers, my friends aren't supporting me. Right. Before you ever hopped in the MomTalk group chat to be like, hey, guys, is there a reason I'm not being supported on this? Before you talk to them at all, you sick your millions of fans on them. That is a problem. Right. And I agree with that. Demi latches onto this, though, and this is where she decides Taylor's not qualified to be the leader of mom talk. And I was like, oh, I wonder who is. She's trying to stage a coup. She thinks that she's next in line to that throne. And she thinks anything to take Taylor down so I can be the queen bee.

1:23:08 It is so strange. It is. And Demi's making hot chocolate. This is just a completely like something I just picked up on. This is the funniest thing I've ever seen. what the hot chocolate that but like what i picked up on was because i've i've known people that have tried to like portray this image before she's big or she's making hot chocolate in a lake crusade dutch oven a 350 dollar lake crusade dutch oven and it's coming almost immediately after you talk about how jesse has all this money and like this that and the other so you need to prove that you have money not so much in your house in general hello right i hate that that being said um The hot chocolate is disgusting. It tastes like dirt, apparently.

1:23:50 And I can align with Michaela on this one thing. And then Macy pours hers out in the sink. And I thought that was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, that was a I thought that was the funniest thing in the world that her her hot chocolate was so disgusting. I could tell from the bag she was pouring it from that it was going to be fucking gross. Yeah. Also, I started to write a note here. Macy decides that she's going to take on the task of maybe talking to Taylor. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Well, Leanne and Taylor's trash stepdad show up at Taylor's house. I guess he's going to hang a picture on the wall or something.

1:24:30 I don't ever want to see that man on my TV again. Yeah. Oh, he's done to me. The fact that you can talk to your stepdaughter the way that you talk. Dakota shows up to pick Ever, so they're all there together. It's Taylor's stepdad's dream. He loves Dakota more than his own stepdaughter. Taylor acknowledges that some of the girls texted her, but she's making this whole thing about how they didn't support her publicly, and I feel like some of her feelings are valid, but the crash out on social media was a million percent too far. I, yeah, and I agree. That goes back to what we were just talking about. She could have said anything to the girls that she could have just asked them the question. And she didn't.

1:25:17 She hopped on her stories. Right. So whatever. And then Taylor talks about her imposter syndrome. She doesn't ever call it imposter syndrome. That's 100 percent what she's experiencing. Oh, yeah. She feels like she doesn't deserve anything that she has. Right. Because it all comes back to the swinging scandal. And then this piece of shit stepdad goes, well, your family doesn't care about that. Fuck you. No, you don't get to stand up for her now after saying you hooked up with Dakota after three dates. Fuck you. Fuck you. Because apparently you do care about it because you did. I thought you did care about what she was doing with her regime and that it was completely your business and that you get to call her a whore. Or do you not care about that because it was her husband and the husband was in charge? Fuck you. Fuck you, dude. You don't get a redemption arc until you apologize for what you said at the cookout. I'm sorry.

1:26:09 I don't think he gets a redemption arc at all. I don't want him on the screen anymore. Hulu, take him off. Hulu. I'm talking to you. Um, Macy and Michaela go to meet up with Taylor and it's awkward as fuck when Taylor gets in the car. Yeah. I feel like Taylor, like if you met her in person would already be an awkward person. Oh yeah. And then. she also knows that she's like under fire from these girls and she's kind of pissed at them too not to the extent that they're pissed at her though and so she's just like yeah oh god but they go to swig and they get hot chocolate and i can't wait for it to get cold outside because i want to try that hot chocolate too bad i know i think it'll be really good um I've been craving hot chocolate, by the way. Have you? I've been craving it and I've been making it, too. Oh, I love that. I don't deny myself anything. I'm pregnant. You shouldn't.

1:27:02 So, yeah, I've been drinking hot chocolate in July. Good. That's the whole thing. It's Christmas in July. Yeah. This is where I depart from Taylor a little bit. She says she would do it all over again. And the girls are. getting attacked online over not supporting Taylor, and then Taylor defends herself by saying public and private support are equally important. I don't agree with that. I'm not saying they're equal. I'm just saying if you support someone in private, you should also, you know, stand up and support them when it matters publicly. Right. But I don't think that public support is as important as... Anyway, it doesn't matter. I just... I also feel like Taylor is not understanding why they're mad.

1:27:48 It's almost like Taylor doesn't understand. She doesn't. What they're saying because she doesn't understand why they're upset in the first place. She doesn't. And this is where it becomes exhausting for me is that I have had. And almost I mean, a bar for bar, almost identical fight with someone that we both know. Yeah. After their wedding and the like, she did not understand. That I was like, granted, it wasn't to this level, but I was just like, at some point, you have to drop it or we have to agree to disagree. One of those two things has to happen because I don't know what to do anymore. And I'm sorry that you feel like I didn't support you. But you also have to be sorry for like being insane. Yeah. Bashing.

1:28:35 Because what they didn't do. Is go online and bash you, say you're a worse dress of the CMAs and you don't deserve it and all of this. They didn't do that. They just didn't say anything publicly. They texted you. Right. Michaela ends up saying that with her real life friendships, the private support matters more. And I agree with her and I hate that I agree with Michaela about something because that's one thing where I'm just like, I wholeheartedly agree. Yeah. And I think most people feel that way. I just said I do. I think most people do. I think if Taylor understood how to communicate what was bothering her, this whole conversation would have gone differently. I also feel like if Michaela or Macy could have found the words to explain why they were upset, this conversation would have gone differently. Because I think. From Taylor's perspective, they are just mad that she said anything on her stories on her account.

1:29:44 That's not why they're upset. They're upset because now they have millions of people going in their comments and saying that they're bad friends. And I think if they would have included that in this conversation, Taylor could have seen it differently. And if Taylor... could have explained herself better she would have been perceived differently too it was just like yeah a huge miscommunication i feel like anyway i agree um macy and jacob go to san diego and they're doing ivf secretly and now they're doing a frozen embryo transfer and i actually kind of like that they're doing this without telling anyone because i think especially if you're doing ivf there's a whole conversation that happens around it unnecessarily where people are like how's it going how's it going how's it going and it puts so much pressure on the couple that like you can't win for losing like it's i I hate that. So I'm glad that they're doing it, like, on their own terms. Well, and the other thing is people don't do that when you're trying for a baby naturally. People aren't on your back saying, how's it going, how's it going, how's it going? So, like, I do also like that they kept, like, their intimacy about it.

1:31:02 Like, they let it be their journey without any other peering eyes. Right. Which is, yeah. And then the doctor comes in with the embryo, and I don't know what the fuck I was expecting, but, like, It was just a little syringe with like a little IV tube in it. And like I, I guess I didn't know what I thought an embryo or how big I thought an embryo was. Teeny tiny. Apparently. And then Jacob's reaction after the treatment, that did make me cry. Like, I'm not going to lie. Like his emotion over it was so sweet. I think he is so excited to be a dad. He just wants to be a dad. He loves Macy so much, too. You can tell like he would die for that girl. It is very sweet. I thought that was very sweet.

1:31:52 Taylor and Layla go to New York. They're shooting a commercial for a brand deal. Demi is seething at this. Oh, yeah, because we find out that Demi asked Layla how much they were making. And like we saw the screenshots and it. Well, we didn't see actual screenshots. Have you ever noticed how they like recreate screenshots where it's like not the same font and like not the same color quite as the iPhone? Yeah. And I wonder if it's like a copyright thing. Yeah, I don't know. Or like just how their values are set on their like on the actual show makes it look weird. I can't tell. No, because the font isn't right. Yeah, the fonts. yeah completely different like it's the the emojis look different like it's it's anyway that's a weird thing that i've noticed but like she did ask several times like how much did you make up like and i was just like drop it fucking drop it it's none of your fucking business it's such a weird pocket watching thing with demi i don't know yeah she really turned me off with that whole thing um taylor shares that she is apologized to the girls and apparently demi does not accept the apology and she says to taylor you should be kissing our feet and let me tell you something in no uncertain terms if you're going to tell me how i am supposed to apologize when i am actually trying to come to you and say like i i it's different if it's like a non -apology like it was like one of those

1:33:23 things i'm sorry you felt that way i don't like that but that's something taylor's doing here Yeah, it's one thing to say, I hear you, but that's not a real apology. It's another thing to say your apology is not enough and you need to be kissing the ground I walk on. Our feet. That's you're a cunt. Yeah, she is really a problem. And like, I feel like she was just mad because she saw that all the girls were kind of like coming around. coming around and accepting Taylor and she was like oh no no no that's my spot that's my spot and so she crashed out yes and go she can go fuck herself I have nothing else to say about Demi um and then And I knew this was going to come back to bite Layla and she should have kept her fucking mouth shut. But they're in here and makeup. They're getting glam. And Layla goes, no, I'll have your back tonight at the Saints and Sinners party. I'll stand up for you. Right.

1:34:24 Right. Because they help will come in the morning. You are flying back to Utah that night for a Saints and Sinners party. And Layla says. She'll have Taylor's back. And I feel like she was just in the moment trying to be like, I understand where you're coming from. I totally get it. And like that just like slipped out of her mouth. You know what I'm saying? She didn't mean that. Anyway, obviously. Yeah. Macy goes home to take her pregnancy test. And that was quick, like for the pregnancy test. Right. I don't know. Well, this whole show, the tempo is crazy. So it's like it's hard to tell. I don't I don't remember. I think she said it was like a couple of weeks after implantation that she took the test. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. She's pregnant.

1:35:17 I'm really happy for her and Jacob. I cried. I was so happy because I know they wanted it so bad. I am really happy for them. They looked so thrilled. They also looked apprehensive because, of course, like early on, you have to be careful. But they did look so happy. It does cut to a picture of Jesus walking on water, though, like their house. Did you notice that? That's a picture of Jesus just walking on water, standing on the wall. And then Taylor and Layla are on the jet headed back home in a private jet. And Layla made a choice. She said, I don't know if I said anything bad about you, but here's the group chat that I have with everyone else except for you. Sweet Layla. I feel like she just wanted to be like, see Taylor, I'm here for you. I'll be transparent with you. I'll let you read my texts. About you. I feel like. Layla. I'm not going to call her dumb. I don't think she's dumb.

1:36:24 But I think. She doesn't. She doesn't always think before she says things. She. Doesn't. But what I also think. I love Layla. I can't believe I'm talking down on her name. But I don't think you are talking down on her. I think she does want to show loyalty. And I think she does want to. I don't think she wants anything bad to happen to Taylor. I do think that she doesn't want to follow through on the loyalty though. That's where I struggle a little bit with Layla where it's like, I don't think she wants to get her hands dirty. A hundred percent. She's the, she's the type of person that I feel like Taylor is actually having a problem with. Like she's the type of person to in private say, I support you fully. I'll have your back. And then in public, I mean, not do that at all. So, yeah, with that, we go into the Saints and Sinners party. Right.

1:37:25 It's a joint venture between Baby Mama and Jay -Z Styles, which I thought was really, really cool for them to show like, hey, we can do something together. We can support each other's businesses like we're like there's there. I didn't feel like one. brand had more of a spotlight than the other and i thought these are two girls who support each other who want to build each other up and i thought that was very cool to see i do think um macy and jesse both have that in them though they're both like very humble and like out of everyone on the cast if anyone was going to do that it would be them too because I really feel like they do want to, like, empower each other, which is supposed to be what their whole group is about anyway, by the way. By the way. We just don't see that very often. Right.

1:38:16 Macy and Jesse both look gorgeous. Yes. Stunning, stunning, stunning. Demi walks in with her little fuck -ass red wings, and I don't know. I feel like no one shared what wings they were wearing, Mama. They didn't talk about it at all. They went to the Party City bankruptcy sale and said, I'll just take whatever's left, I guess. And they didn't send a picture. They didn't do anything because then Taylor walks in with wings that are bigger than her. Jesus Christ. taller than her she had to she had to go sideways to get in the door yeah she do you remember the Victoria's Secret fashion show yes they were like that they were bigger than that almost like the finale maybe I've never like I saw it and I was like I this episode I was like watching it right before bed I was like maybe I'm tired I was watching what she walked in and like to be fair Taylor's probably like a teeny tiny little person yeah it was the most but still outrageously large set of angel wings i've ever fucking seen in my life like 18 feet wide what are you doing i swear to god because even like the victoria secret angels i feel like they were mostly not that big no and i was like where did you find these like where did you acquire these wings that is my question i want to know the logistics of it Like, I don't understand. Maybe. Or, like,

1:39:48 because I was thinking through, like, how were they shipped to you? Because, like, there's structure to them, so you, like, have to ship them in a big -ass box. Like, it had to have been shipped, like, art. What are we doing? What are we doing? Mind you, not even her event. right she was like oh i need to get wings i got wings i got wings what i would be willing to believe more though she already had those waiting in her closet oh i am willing to believe she already had those from a separate occasion oh absolutely i would buy that in a heartbeat denny is simply ready to fight um where This is another page. She shows up with smoke coming out of her ears. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And this is another page they took directly from the Real Housewives book. Let's go to a separate room so we can have a conversation, girls. Yeah. OK. Taylor apologizes to everyone in the group except Demi. She goes, except you, Demi. I'm not sorry to you. That was the greatest thing ever. I loved it, too. Demi doesn't deserve an apology because she's been talking out of her ass for six episodes. Right. So then they start going at it. Layla is disassociating so fucking hard. Like she doesn't say a word one way or another. Staring directly. past the wall like saying oh I can't oh actually I didn't see it going this way sorry Taylor I have exited reality right like wow wow and I hate that I

1:41:20 really do wish at some point she would have stood up to be like I've talked to Taylor I've been with Taylor all day I really don't think any of this is coming out of malice what I am shocked about though is that tailored and maybe Taylor just didn't even clock it but like Layla did say she was gonna stand up for her and she didn't right and I would have bought Layla saying I'm just like confrontation like isn't really my thing whatever but she did try to defend Demi against Taylor in yeah Scottsdale so I'm like uh you're I don't like that I don't like it I just feel like again I feel like sometimes she doesn't think about what she's doing I feel like she's just like, and I get this way too. I feel like sometimes she's just like gliding through life, not really thinking about what she's doing one way or another. But what I also will give Layla in this moment, like if she ever uses this as her defense, I'll buy it. Taylor didn't need a goddamn person to stick up for Taylor. Taylor can hold her own in a fight. Yeah. I feel like I've called this out before, but like I feel like I always write it down about Jessie. She's a really good communicator. She is. And I also feel like she's very emotionally intelligent.

1:42:39 Yes. She's good at taking everything on the chin and being like, this is not I. She's one of those people where like I feel like internally she's always like, I know who I am and I don't need you to like validate that for me. Yes. You know, like she's very comfortable in her skin. We find out that Demi's talked shit about Jessie's business and her hair skills. That really pissed me off. Talk shit about whatever you want. What really upset me was you looked at Jessie and you could tell her feelings were hurt. I wanted to cry for Jessie. I just wanted to hug her. Well, I feel like if anyone knows anything about Jessie, it's that she rides or dies for this hair brand.

1:43:22 And so I feel like she was willing to hear the... I don't think you deserve as much. for brand deals or whatever i don't think she should be paid as much for the show but none of that had anything to do with her integrity as a business woman exactly that's yeah because i think all of that had to do with oh you already make so much money with your hair brand and so now to hear you also don't believe in the hair brand is like a punch in the gut oh it sucked it sucked to see your face like that was really hard for me yeah and that really pissed me off because if you're i mean here's how I honestly feel if your friend has a business or a venture of any kind it is your job to support them and if you have any criticism for them number one it better be constructive and number two it is your duty to spread that to them in private Yes. You don't tell anyone else anything except for it is the most amazing thing I've ever seen ever. Yes.

1:44:23 That is your duty as a friend. I agree. So as soon as you're like, oh, I don't know if you should go there. Oh, I don't know if I believe in them for color or whatever. Fuck you. Guillotine for you. I agree. I also felt like in this moment, this is not the first time Jesse's heard about Demi talking shit about it, but this is the first time it became real. Yeah, I feel like maybe she had heard it before and just didn't believe it. And now like Taylor's saying it. And she's like, oh, yeah, I think this really might have happened because the whole storyline is that Demi said that to Taylor. So now Taylor's like confirming. Yeah, I did say that. Demi is reaching and digging for something to throw in Taylor's face. So the arrest from season one comes up and Desi or Demi gets into how Taylor and Dakota's relationship is so toxic and which is true. It is toxic as hell. Yeah, she would. never put a child in that situation and that's where she lost me because i was like you don't bring the fucking kids into it you don't get to do that what are you saying demi like are you dead ass serious i would have put hands on her if i were taylor what are you saying i'm surprised she didn't honestly You're bringing up old news.

1:45:47 Things she's already repented for, apologized to everyone involved for, moved on from. Yes, she's still in this toxic relationship with this man. No, she's not putting her hands on him. No, he's not putting his hands on her. They just are emotionally volatile. They're also emotionally stupid. Right. Like, let's just call it what it is. Taylor is not an emotionally intelligent person. I'm willing to say that on record. Yes. Has a hard time understanding where anyone is coming from. Not an empath. However. Why the fuck is that a bad situation for their baby who can't even hear correctly yet? Why are you such a big cunt that that's how that's that's where you need to take it? What are you saying? Taylor has other kids, by the way. But you just want to dig at the baby. Cunt. Oh. my God. Mind you, they're taking fine care of this baby. This baby is protected and cared for at all times. Well, except for the baby wipes, but they figured it out. It's not like they were like, oh, well, he's just going to be shitty. Like, oh my God.

1:47:03 That really pissed me off. I agree. I was mad about that. And then the fight kind of dissipates. The girls all leave the room except for Taylor and Jesse, where I was almost positive this is going to be a thing where Taylor was like, see, Demi's a bad friend and she was going to try and turn her against Demi. But she was like, it felt like she was checking on Jesse and Jesse did share. She's like, I'm embarrassed in her right now. And like, I think the word embarrassed like broke my heart for her a little bit. I know. I mean, I understand like why she feels the way she feels. It just is like. You don't deserve to be embarrassed. That bitch should be embarrassed because she's a bitch. She's so mean. She is brutal. She has no couth. Oh, my God. So uncouth.

1:47:51 And that's just like, yeah, I really felt for Jesse in that moment. And that's where the episode leaves off. Dear listener. Yeah. Emma and I are going to roll. basically into episode nine do you want to see if jack wants to go on a walk do you think he needs that yeah let's do that jack and jack and emma and i are gonna go on a walk and then we're gonna come back and we're gonna record episode nine but while we're here right now we love you subscribe to us tell your messiest friend about us follow us everywhere we love you from indy to i think we got a listener in belgium last week wherever Wherever you are in the world, we love you. Come back and listen to us more. Bye.