and just like that, we missed our connecting flight.

0:13 I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie Approved. Yay. What was the last song you listened to? Oh. Time to Dance. Hang on. Yeah, Time to Dance by Panic at the Disco. I don't know if I remember that one. I only know like one of their songs, to be fair. It's the Close the Goddamn Door song. Yeah. I mean, that's the one everyone would know, right? It had an amazing music video. Did you ever watch the music video for that song? I feel like if I ever did, it was in the morning getting ready for school. Like when MTV still played music videos for like two hours in the morning. I was in a dual credit English class.

0:59 I think it was the, I was in a literature one and a writing one. And I think it was the writing one. And the professor literally showed that in class. And I was like, wow. Did you ever have to do the project where like you took a music video and had to explain like what it meant or like the meaning in the music video? No. Oh, I had one of those when I was a freshman at IU and I did the single again video by Trina. I had to explain that. It was like taking storytelling elements or whatever. And I was like, if you like it, I love it. That's why we did it. Well, my dual credit English class, it was my senior year of high school. It was through IU. So I'm sure that's why we did the music video thing.

1:50 Oh, I love that. OK. Yeah. My last song was Not My Fault by Rene Rapp and Megan Thee Stallion. Love. It's actually one of my favorite songs. We have a lot this week. I haven't seen you in, it's been like two weeks. Yeah. Travis was in Dallas. We'll get into that. Yeah. Do you have any pregnancy updates? Um, just that I feel him wriggling and wiggling a lot and I am suffering. Is it like, have we gotten to the point where he's like, no, like he's, it's like every time I lay down, He's like testing the boundaries of my uterus. OK, I was like wondering, I guess he like just constantly kicking and stuff, but like. Yes and no. It's like I'll get like an hour break and then I'll be in the car or something and be like, oh, hello. Do you think he's like trying to get out? Like, do you think he's like conscious of like I'm trapped in a waterbed and like I just want to move and be free? I don't I don't know. I don't know that they get the impulse to like come out. That is another thing, though. I have gotten to the point where it's like I'm unfortunately aware of the fact that I'm going to have to push this thing out. And I really don't want to do that. A serious question, because, you know, I know nothing of the nature of pregnancy or being a woman. When the baby

3:20 like when you go into labor, is that your body saying, OK, it's time to push this thing out? Or is that the baby saying I'm ready to come out? It's a little bit of both. The baby releases a protein that triggers labor in your body. Is that the thing when they have to induce labor, that's what they give you, right? Yeah. Okay. They give you Pitocin. Yes. I was induced with Jack, so I've never felt going into labor naturally. They say it's less painful than being induced, though, at least on the ticky -tocky. I have to imagine being induced is like, it's not the same thing at all, but like, do you know when...

4:05 They have to give you like a shot of adrenaline or whatever when you're like having a like when you get stung by a bee. Yeah. I have to imagine it's like that where it's like. Yeah. Like it makes you have contractions and like it was brutal. And they say the contractions aren't as bad if you're not induced on Pitocin. Interesting. Yeah. So we'll see how this one goes. It's all fine. He's so big, though, that I officially have ultrasounds in September, October, and November. What, to, like, see if he's getting too big? Yeah, because if he gets too big, they start talking about a C -section. Because if babies are too big, they can dislocate their shoulders trying to come out of you. He'll figure it out. He'll be okay. Yeah, so that's what we're doing. I mean, I'm never going to say no to an extra ultrasound.

5:06 They're like fun and cool to see, you know. I guess, yeah. Yeah, you see your little baby. So whatever. Okay. Yeah. I love that. How's school going for Jack? Much better than last year, I'll say. But... Like, he still doesn't want to go to school. He's just, it's not his favorite thing to go to school. And he misses his friends from last year. He keeps saying he wants to switch teachers so he can be in the same class as his friends and whatever. And he made me cry yesterday because it was raining, so they had indoor recess. And he was like... I asked two people to play with me and no one would play with me. I had to play all by myself. Aww. And I cried and cried and cried. I'm hormonal, obviously. No, but, like, I... Like, that sucks. Like, does he...

6:00 Yeah, and he cried telling me it shouldn't help. Aww, little Jack. I know. I mean, it's all fine. Because, like, he could have joined someone else or whatever, but he wanted to do what he wanted to do. And I admire that. It just makes me sad. I get that. I mean, like... I don't know. It's hard. Like making friends is hard in general. And like, I feel like, I don't know. Yeah. He does have friends in his class too. Like his birthday parties were full, both of them. And there were tons of kids at his birthday party. And at least one girl is in his class and sits right next to him. Right. But like. And they're friendly. Yeah. Okay. They were playing at the party. Oh. Yeah. So I don't know. It's hard.

6:47 No, it is hard. And I feel like that has to be the hardest thing to navigate because you can't you can't go into the school. I have an aunt that did this who went into the school and was like, you like you need to do something. Yeah. And I'm like, well, you can't do that because like then you're that parent. But like at the same time, it's like you don't ever want your kid to be lonely or like navigate the world by himself. That fucking sucks, man. Yeah. And I mean, it's fine. He said he played Legos and. He has friends. We're going to the park after school today with one of his friends. Like I'm not worried about him not getting social skills. It's just like every once in a while. He can be awkward. Like he can be a little socially awkward just because he's shy. And I was the same way growing up. So was I. Like he's seven.

7:32 Of course he's shy. I don't know. It's fine. Yeah. I love him. He's going to be okay. My school started this week too. Yeah. How is it going? It's a lot. Um, I have a professor who's from Brazil. I love him. He, I love the way he says fantastic. And I think it is the greatest thing ever. Um, And I think the really cool thing about Kelly at IU, they do a really good job of like bringing in professors from like from industries and like that really knew what they were doing, like and then they just decided to move into academia. And I think that's really, really cool. But yeah, I like it. I like learning and like I'm getting to the point where like next semester's it and then it's time for law school. And I'm like, oh, I really, really love what I'm learning now. And like. And I have a couple of professors that are like that have a Ph .D. in business.

8:29 And I'm like, do I get a Ph .D.? And I'm like, probably not. I don't know. I don't know what I would do with a Ph .D. because I'm not going to be a professor. Are you abandoning law school? No, no, no, no, no. I like. But it's like I it's you know, I am a change where it's like, yeah, I. It's like I'm I'm ready for the next thing. But at the same time, I'm like, oh, I'm really comfortable right now. And I love what I'm learning. But like, I know I'm not going to feel this way at the end of the semester. Isn't there a test you have to take before you go to law school? The LSAT, yeah. Yeah. Do you feel ready for that? Yeah, I feel fine. Well, the LSAT's hard. That's what I've heard. That's why I was asking. It's like the NCLEX or whatever you have to take before you can become a nurse. People say that one's hard, too. Right. We'll see. I don't know. I'm excited, though. That's good. What's next? And just like that is not next. It is over. I never watched it. Can I be honest? Please. I knew it was going to be bad. Did you? Oh, yeah. OK, so what was your signal that it was going to be bad? Because I'm going to tell you my perspective on this. Sex in the City was magic in a bottle, lightning in a bottle. Yes. And I don't think you can recreate it just by getting the actors and actresses. or even the writers together again.

9:52 It was perfect for the time in which it aired, and it was perfect, like, literally just in that time. It didn't need to be woke -ified and rebooted. I knew they couldn't do that again. So, I think this is what frustrates me about it, is like, I didn't think they were trying to recreate it. And that's what I struggled with so much watching this. Cause I like in growing up, say what you will about this. My dad let me watch sex in the city. Like, and it was just, wasn't a big deal. I'm like, whatever. And I just turned it on. I don't know. Oh yeah. No, like, like he had to like, like he had to like override the parental controls on HBO. And he was just like, just cause don't tell your grandparents. So I got to watch Sex and the City growing up. Such a fun show.

10:49 And it was fun. And it was like, was it appropriate for a 13 -year -old to be watching? No. Absolutely not. But like, this is what like, I mean, you had Sex and the City, you had Will and Grace, and that was it for like a little gay kid growing up in like rural Indiana. Right. Yeah. So like, okay, so. You have sex in the city and then it ends. And like the whole thing when they ended that show is they said, we did not want. what you have with so many shows like what you had with charmed what you had with like buffy the vampire slayer like all these shows that were like we are so tired of watching this like take it take it out back and shoot it like that's 100 and they said we wanted people to miss these people in their living rooms like they said that very publicly there are still shows in my opinion that have gone seasons too long that have come out recently like there there are so many shows where like it's It's clear where it should have ended. And the network said, I need this cash cow to keep going. Right. And so with Sex and the City, like, so they did the two movies, which the first movie, fine. The second movie was problematic.

12:01 Yeah. Looking back on it. I liked the first movie when I was like 14. Was I 14? I might have been older than that when I watched it. I don't know. I liked it though. It was a good movie. The first movie was great. Um, second movie. We'll just pretend it didn't happen. We don't acknowledge her. Right. And then the cool thing about, and just like that, what, or what was supposed to be the cool thing where they were like, it's not, it's not a reboot. It's not, it's just the next chapter. That is still a reboot in my opinion. Okay. Right. You're, it's the same formula. It's the same characters. That's a reboot. And I understand.

12:45 And even if it's picking up where you left off, you're still rebooting the show. OK, yes, that is fair. But I was fine with that. I was like, oh, we're like, we're going to see where they're at in their lives now. And I was so excited about that. The problem that I had was, OK, so you had like apparently and I don't I guess Sarah Jessica Parker wasn't great behind the scenes to work with. And that's why Kim Cattrall didn't come back. And Kim Cattrall was the best part of that show. I don't care what anyone says. I will. That is the hill I'm willing to die on. Samantha. Everyone wanted to be a Samantha. And I think you needed her in the show. Like it's not. She was not an extraneous character. Like you needed her to balance everything in the show.

13:33 Yes. Like, yes. And the thing that I. have such a hard time with is like okay we're gonna keep talking about her and like what it's very very clear like if you actually like take a step back and think about it they were trying to leave the door open for her to say yeah I'm gonna come back and Kim Cattrall was like no fuck you no seriously I'm not doing it yeah and like I think the art like the title of the article was I won't do something that brings me Not even for one hour will I be unhappy at this point in my life. Oh, I think about that quote all the time because I kind of live by that. Yeah. I don't want to be uncomfortable or unhappy for even an hour of my day. I agree with that. And I'm just like, well, I think we have to accept that. And then, OK, so you have you have Kim Cattrall. I didn't come back. And then you have. The the only person that like I will buy that this is where this person is at in her life is Kristen Davis's character, Charlotte, where. I was like, OK, she's she stayed pretty true to who she was, and now like this is who she is as a mom. I'll buy all that. And then you have Miranda fucking Hobbs, who I saw this on Twitter. Oh, the wheels fell. And like Miranda is OK, if you didn't want to be a Samantha, I'll buy that people wanted to be a Miranda because Miranda was like, I'm a lawyer. I am a badass.

14:56 I am figuring out how to raise a kid and very girl boss. Yes. Very early 2000s. Mom's making it. Yes. Yeah. And then you take her, you turn her into a raving alcoholic who is trying so hard to be woke, but it's like, oh, I don't know what I can say anymore. Like shut. up the opposite of woke it was the most horrific thing and then she's a lesbian maybe and like cool whatever like she's exploring her sexuality late in life but like you they went out of their way to make it as messy as anything has ever been great okay whatever and then you have carrie who i'm gonna this is this might be a hot take and i'm gonna say this right now I accepted Carrie for who she was on the show growing up as the worst friend on God's green earth. I accepted her being a mess. I accepted her because she was Carrie and like that was her thing. She spent six years chasing a man. The man dies in the second episode of the show. And she. Like she's she's I don't like her now. I don't like Carrie anymore. I.

16:07 I will say I didn't like Carrie in the original, but what I will say is she was always the most irritating one, the most annoying one, and the least aspirational. I never really wanted to be like Carrie. I had a phase where I was like, I could be a Charlotte or a Samantha was really where we all landed, right? But it's like, she was always bad to her friends. She was always me, me, me, me, me. And she like she just give us nothing, Queen, period. Yeah. And and the thing with the way the show ended is like they say that this is where they were going to end the show. The show got fucking canceled by HBO.

16:51 I will die on this hill, too. And like they were trying everything in their power at the very, very end of this show to make her more likable. Like, oh, she's like she's. she's the girl that brings pies to everyone on thanksgiving and like they pretended like give me a break i was like what i remember carrie she's not baking a single pie no the whole the whole kitsch of the last episode so it was thanksgiving they um and also spoiler alert i'm sorry if no one's seen this yet um There's this pie shop in New York that like they create a whole backstory about how like this person weathered COVID to come bake pies for Carrie because Carrie was going to come pick them up during COVID. Like the whole thing is a crock of bullshit. And like, I'm just I'm so glad it's over. I am so glad that it's over because if you couldn't have gotten the original four girls back, you should have never done it.

17:51 I agree 100%. You don't have the comedic relief or the realness of Samantha. I feel like it's not a show. And can I just side note? COVID being canon for a fictional show to me, and this is a hot take and I know it is because it's canon for like every show. that covid happened to me it's like 9 -11 being canon like why is that part of your show don't we watch these shows to like escape like why do we i don't know you could just skip covid i don't disagree but like that this is the thing was they painted themselves into a corner with this where it's like we want to live in the real world and like whatever and i'm like i don't I'm not interested in Sex and the City being part of the real world. Like I want glamorous New York. I want you going to this club that was all beds. I want, I want a woman that lives, that is ostensibly a columnist for, I think it was New York Post is who Carrie was writing for, who somehow affords this massive apartment in midtown Manhattan. I don't want it to be real. I don't want realness in Sex and the City. It's supposed to be an escape. It's supposed to be fiction. I just don't understand.

19:16 Yes. Like, COVID does not need to be canon in every single show or book or whatever. Skip it. Skip it. I don't understand. And so I don't know what the answer is, but I do know I'm really happy that Sex and the City is being put to bed. Yeah. A hundred percent. Me too. It needed to be there forever. And I know people love it. And like, there's a new generation of people who are now watching it. People who are teenagers now. And so I understand the allure because the show is like probably streaming. Well, right now. Oh yeah. It has to be. You gotta just let it go. I don't know. And I know that like you have to keep creating content like that's the nature of the beast right now. You're seeing the same thing with the Real Housewives where it's like you don't get a break from that anymore because like they want to keep your eyes on Bravo all the time. And so I guess I don't know what the answer is, but like it just sucks that like you've taken something that like I mean. Sex in the City, like, was a big deal on Sunday nights when it came on at, like, 9 or 10 p .m. Like, people stopped their lives to watch it. Like, it was a big deal. Like, I look back on it. Like, Lindsay and I went to see the first movie when it came out. And, like, we were at the midnight screening of it. Like, the whole song and dance of it. And it's like, those people don't have

20:47 that anymore. Like, what are you? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I just feel like. All the new stuff is, like, very Netflix -ified, very, like, brain -roddy. And so no one's that, like, excited for it anymore. I feel like maybe we're on the brink of, like, the next big show like that. Like the Renaissance. Yeah. Maybe. We need another early 2000s type of TV again. I loved the new season of Wednesday. I was good. Yeah, that was really good. But that's rare. It's like not every Netflix show deserves a watch, you know? No. And it took them what? Like five years to make. Well, it's the same thing. Like, have you watched Severance yet? No, I want to. But anyway, it's so good. Severance is incredible.

21:45 And like, oh, it's and like the first season. they did not know that it was going to be as much of like a smash hit as it was and then they dropped the second season and like what what i do appreciate about apple tv that not a lot of these streaming services do anymore is they're dropping it like episode by episode you're not getting the whole thing at once so you you do have something to keep coming back to but the like it took them like three or four years to create the second season and now people are like We need to know what happens next. I don't know what's going on with that, where it used to be you get a year to make the new season of a show and then you drop it. Or they're like filming the later episodes as the beginning of the season is dropping. Right. Why aren't we doing that anymore? I don't know. Like, that's the way that I have. I don't know. It's so strange. But I did appreciate that. I liked the first couple of seasons of Ted Lasso. And they did the same thing where it was like once a week they would drop an episode. HBO did that with the first season of Euphoria, too. I never watched Euphoria, but... Meh. I don't know that it's up your alley.

23:01 Anyways. Oh, I would hate it. Did you see... High schoolers on drugs. I would hate that. She's a pilot who just wasn't feeling it. Yeah. In mad respect for him. OK, so you would be OK with like the pilot saying I'm not going to take off. One hundred percent. OK, good. For whatever reason. I don't even care what it is. I agree. So, OK, so the the whole story is the there was a flight from Los Angeles to Honolulu. Yeah. And. The plane like so there was maintenance going on in the plane, and I think it was the the first one was like they couldn't get the faucet to like turn off or something. And I know they had to deplane once and get on a new plane. Yes.

23:47 And then the new plane also had an issue. So the new the second plane was they. like an oil leak or something and like yeah they so they got the second plane and then they were like okay the second plane's fine after like they did like they had like aircraft maintenance come out whatever and the pilot was just like you know what no not today like we're not gonna do it and the way that i would have been like you know what you're right and i'm gonna stay my ass in la i'm going to sit here at los angeles international airport And everything is going to be okay. Right. A hundred percent. I feel like even if there weren't any issues with the plane, we boarded on time and everything was good. It was sunny and clear outside. If the pilot just said, Hey, I don't know. I just have a pit in my stomach. I have a bad feeling about this flight. I will be the first in line to get off. Million percent. Like million percent. I do not play around. I do not want to be in a plane crash. Okay. I do not, but no, especially that whole flight is over the ocean. Like, no, no, I'm not doing that. And what people don't realize is. Hawaii is closer to Japan than it is the United States. That is a far flight. Yes.

25:11 And it's not like you can emergency land anywhere. It's the middle of the ocean. Yes. And I mean, you could do a water landing. It's fine. But like, no, I'm not doing that. I would have to assume that water landings are like there's more success with those than like a crash landing. Because like you can. You can emergency. I've seen. But if an emergency landing, you can just like land early somewhere. Like if you were flying from L .A. to Orlando and there was an issue with the plane, you can land pretty much anywhere in the U .S. Right. And be fine. Right. But if you're over the ocean, I don't know. I mean, all things being equal, I want to land at H &L.

25:58 Or LAX or wherever. I don't want to land in the ocean, ideally, in a perfect scenario. I mean, I'm sure you can land in the ocean, but then... That's what the rafts are for. What are the logistics of people, like the rescue? And I burn really bad. I can't be out in the sun like that. I can't. No. No, but... And your bags are fucked. I'm sure. No, I'm not. I'm not even going to play around with that. I'm OK. So, no, I the the pilot was like, hey, I'm not feeling it. And and I I have to assume there were some people that were angry. And to them, I say you're stupid.

26:38 Yeah, I didn't personally see anyone who said that they were like angry passengers. But there's a Karen on every flight. So I'm sure there was. Speaking of travel, I just got back from Dallas. Yeah. He was at the podcast movement. I was. It was really, really cool. I want you to come back with me next year because. I made a lot of podcast friends and like, it was super fun. And I like never, I did not shut up about you. And I was like, everyone's like, where's your co -host? Where's, where's, where's your best friend? And I was like, she's pregnant. Stressed about her son's birthday parties. That's what I was doing that whole week and weekend. Getting that all together. But I'm glad it was good.

27:24 I didn't know like what to expect really, obviously, since we just started this a few months ago. I didn't either. Um. but yeah i would love to go next year it was really cool um and like i feel like i learned a lot and emma and i still have to sit down and talk about this but like out of everything i learned there will be some like content changes coming which does mean like more content for everyone um yeah and then i just have to figure out what that looks like and like when the timeline for that's gonna be but more to come on that and I also made a list of just like random thoughts I had walking around the airport and like when I was on the on the plane. And I'm just going to rapid fire through some of these. And 100 percent. And you can stop me wherever you want. And yeah, I have opinions.

28:15 OK, perfect. Were you a three hour early to the airport family? 100 percent. And I still am. I am, too, to the point where I called my papa a couple of days before. i left for dallas and i was like hey you're taking me to the airport um what like my flight's at 915. When do you want to, like, when do you think we should get up and get going? And he's like, well, you need to be there by at least at the latest 545. So let's plan on leaving at 445. And I was like, we live 30 minutes from the airport. And he was like, I don't care. No, yeah. I would so much rather have an extra hour to sip a coffee and doom scroll on my phone or I've gotten a full on meal at the airport just because I had extra time that I had given myself. Absolutely. I am happy, thrilled even to be there. I mean, I usually aim for two hours before boarding starts. OK, I'm I'm pretty I'm I'm a little bit earlier than that. I like I like being early. I like having a ton of time. Do you go and like check to see that your gate is where you think it's going to be before? Like you need to like sit down or anything? Love that. Because you know what's never going to happen is a flight leaves early.

29:31 That's never going to happen ever. But I will know that my gate is there. Thousand percent. Window or aisle seat? Window for sure. Same. I'm not one of those people who's hopping right up when the plane lands and immediately getting off. I believe in rules and order. And I'm happy to wait to get off the plane. Speaking of. waiting to get off the plane. One of the one of the observations I made was so. The plane touches down and the captain is like, OK, please keep your seatbelts fastened until we're at the gate and the seatbelt sign is off. And the way people act like it's Pamplona running the fucking bulls. And they're the bulls. Yes. And like so. I feel like I called you or I left you a FaceTime voicemail or something, but like there was a woman on my flight from Indy to Atlanta. And as as dear listener, you probably know because I don't shut up about it.

30:35 I love the city of Atlanta. However, when anyone is flying there, it's I would venture to say probably 95 percent of the time it's for a layover. Yeah. Like everyone has a connecting flight. Everyone. Everyone. It's the Delta and I only fly Delta. It's the Delta hub. Like it is what it is. But there was a woman and I typically sit towards the back of the plane, usually behind the wing. And there was a woman who was flying standby. I know she was flying standby because she was one of the last people to get on. And like she was with a family and they were all like scattered across the plane. So they didn't have assigned seats coming on. It's giving home alone. OK, I never saw him alone. What? I've never seen that movie. On the Christmas episode of the podcast, you will be watching Home Alone.

31:27 Okay. And sharing your thoughts. That's fine. I'm happy to do that. there was a woman who gets up and she's like tapping this guy on the shoulder the guy that was sitting next to me and she was like i i have i have a connecting flight i have a connecting flight and the guy was like yeah me too and i fully would like it took everything in me not to say it we're in atlanta we all have a connecting flight so does everyone like what the fuck what the fuck yeah i don't get that i have another question for you before we move on because it's not in your questions so When you are the last group to board, which for me is pretty much all the time, right? You're like five or whatever. You board with like the bulk of people. OK, OK. Yeah. If you're. Yes. OK.

32:17 Do you immediately when they call your group, get in line to board when they give my group number? Yes. I will not wait. That is insane to me. Really? The line is so incredibly long. Oh, I sit there at the gate and I watch them trickle in. And then when the line is much shorter, I go stand in it. No, like when they say my number. Yes. Before my number, I have a good sit. No, like when they call my number. Right. Because I'm always flying coach. I'm not a fancy flyer. That's fair. When they call my group number, I am not getting up. I am not getting up until that super long extended line goes down. Because I don't understand why, if we've all just been sitting in this crowd, basically, together around the gate, why we feel like we all need to stand in line at the same time. I don't get it. I don't want to stand for 30 minutes. That is fair. I'm already here. That is fair. No, that's yeah, that's fair. Kenny's like you, though. That's why I wanted to ask. Like, as soon as they call our group number, he's getting up and getting in line. And I'm like, Kenny, I like to. There are 45 people already in line. I enjoy making sure that the gate agent's job is very easy.

33:43 And like, I don't. Yeah, like. 100 percent. I'm not saying I wait until there's no one in line. I'm saying, you know how like at the Indianapolis airport, there's like a line to the gate and then it curves one way or another because there are 45 people standing in line. Yes. I'm waiting until the line reaches the carpet and then I'm getting in line. OK, that's fair. That's fair. Because I just don't understand why we're all standing there. We're already at the gate. I don't know. You don't get it. That's fair. You don't get it. The other. So on the note of like people being Pamplona running the fucking bulls, I noticed a lot of people. It had to have been their first time in an airport or on an airplane.

34:29 Like the way that like it was, I'm going to stand right here. I'm going to crowd around people. I'm going to like run in front of like. I'm in the back of the plane, but I'm going to try and be the first to get off the plane. I was just like, why? Why are you doing that? There's an epidemic ever since COVID, I fear, of people not believing in personal space. It's everywhere. It's at the store. It's in any public space, really. People have just forgotten to get the fuck up off of you. I don't understand what happened, but I'm against it. Give me six feet of space minimum. When I'm on a plane like. I'm like I get like you are crammed in like sardines, like the amount of space that you have, like if you look between like the 90s and now, like there is a significant change in like the amount of space people have on a plane. I'm comfortable with that. I'm not comfortable with like someone literally like getting up next to and behind you. While you're getting off a plane. I'm like, we're all getting off at the same time. Like this will not go any faster. And I would argue that what you're doing is going to make it take longer. That's where we're at. Everyone needs to sit down for much longer when a plane lands.

35:45 That's the. I agree. I'll sit until the row in front of me is empty. Like I will sit. Yeah. And like, I don't know. I hate it. I'd rather miss a connecting flight than be that bitch. Well. That's foreshadowing if I've ever heard it. For sure. I also noticed a ton of people that could not figure out the moving walkways or like when to step on an escalator in the airport. What? People know how to use escalators? Not at the Indianapolis International Airport. I will say I'm scared of escalators. I used to be really terrified of them as a kid. Did you think they were going to eat you? No, I just thought I was going to fall and it would hurt really bad. I do imagine if you fall on an escalator, just the way the stairs are shaved, it probably is incredibly painful. Yeah, or I thought I would fall off the side and they're always really steep.

36:43 Anyways, I have a fear of escalators. In my adulthood, I've gotten a lot better about it. However, with a suitcase in hand, it does make my palms very sweaty. It makes me very nervous. So when you're on. We'll take the escalators out of it for a minute, because I think those aren't normal escalators. I think when you're on an escalator with a suitcase, you can't you can't walk up an escalator like a normal person. When you're on the moving walkway in an airport, though. Do you like do you do the thing where it's like, OK, if you're on the left, you're walking. If you're on the right, like you're standing. No, they're going opposite directions. No, no, no, no. Like when like, OK, so like when you're like you make two lanes.

37:30 Yeah. Yeah. Imaginary. No, I walk. But I know that it's not a natural instinct to walk because I have to tell Jack every time to keep walking. Oh, for me, it's a natural instinct. For me, it's almost I'm running. Well, isn't that kind of the point? It just makes your walk a lot faster. Yes, I think that is the entire point. But like the way that like people, it's like whole families were spread out across the entire width. And they're just standing there. And they're just talking. They're just having a time. And I'm like, people, I have to go make sure my gate's there. Please move. It doesn't really bother me. I will say, you get very emotional about everything that happens at the airport. I do.

38:13 You're right, I do. 100%. I don't really care. Like, I don't like the people who are, like, standing up and breathing on my neck. That one really bugs me. But, like, I don't care about people rushing off the plane. I just watch them. Or, like, standing on the moving thing. I'm like, okay. I like to watch people in airports that have the trains that get you to where you need to go. I like to watch people not hang on and fall on their ass. That's so fun for me. Do you want to know something so sick and twisted about me? What? Even if I don't have to go to another terminal, I will ride those trains around the entire airport. They're so fun. I love public transit. I think it is so fun and exciting. I specifically love the ones in Tampa. um tampa does have a good one yes orlando has an incredible one dallas fort worth has a great one um atlanta has an amazing one it's all underground oh that's cool it's like a subway yeah it's it looks like a subway when you're like instead of just like a tram yeah it's really cool yeah i yeah i I enjoy a good people watching session at the airport.

39:28 I'm very quiet at the airport because what I'm doing is observing. People are so silly at the airport. We've never flown anywhere together. I can't wait when we have like a live episode that we have to fly to because I think it will create a ton of content for us. It's going to be very weird for me because usually I have my AirPods in the whole time and I would have them on noise cancellation if I didn't have Jack with me every time I traveled. That's the only reason I don't have noise cancellation on. Yeah. Is to hear if Jack is being kidnapped because he would scream. Oh, he would let you know he was being taken. And I think. Yeah. OK, so that's the end of like from Indy to Indy to Atlanta to Dallas. Right. So. I can tell you the trip back from Dallas was much more tumultuous. Like, and you can, like, you see there's like a significant change in my notes after this point. Yeah, we've moved on from questions to statements. How do you feel about the assholes with clear getting me? Have you ever been to one of these airports that actually has clear? Cause Andy doesn't know.

40:35 I don't know what that is. Clear is like pre -check, but you get like an escort who takes you around with a fucking sign and says, um, this person has clear they're coming through and they like you bypass security altogether. Basically. It feels like that would be helpful for like. Number one, disabled people and number two, celebrities. But outside of that, no one has any business getting that. OK, well, like 30 people in line had it. Special Pants McGee. Yeah, it was so annoying. And I'm just going to read this one to you verbatim. There was this cunt in line for TSA in Dallas, and she just decided to unhook the things between the poles that define the line pattern while you're waiting for TSA and just started walking wherever she wanted. And she was promptly escorted out of the terminal. Oh, they do not play about that.

41:31 They are not playing any games about that. But like she was like screaming, I have kids. I have kids with me. And then like I was just like kids with us, please. I was just like the audacity, though, just to like unhook the things and just start walking wherever the fuck you want. Like, OK, that's fine. That's insane. I decided I really need to get better about the way I pack. So a secret about me is and you know how much I love Delta. What I don't love about Delta is if you check a bag before you're checked in, it is $40 to check a bag. Delta has to make their money and I won't hold that against them. So what I typically do is I will take a carry on size bag with me and I 100 % of the time know that I will not be exiting the airplane with that bag. I will check it at the gate because I am never on it. I've in my entire life, I've been on one flight that was not like almost completely full.

42:26 Right. And I'm happy to. I love to check a bag. I love the glamour. I don't know if I've ever told the podcast, the sick thing that I believe is going to happen, but I believe that I will meet the love of my life at a baggage claim at an airport. I have to tell you the sick way me and Kenny travel when you're done with your story. Don't let me forget. I have a sick thing where like, I believe that at some point I'm going to be at baggage claim. I assume somewhere I love Atlanta. Miami, wherever. I'm going to be at baggage claim. I'm going to be reaching for a gray Samsonite suitcase and someone's hand is going to meet mine. And I'm going to look and I'm like, oh, do we have the same suitcase?

43:15 And he'll be like, oh, I'm sorry. Like that. That's yours. And I'm like, no, maybe it's yours. And then we'll fall in love and then we'll get married after that. I believe that's going to happen for me. I hope it does. I truly hope it does. So sick and stupid. So like. But what I do know is that I do overpack. Like I. Me too, sister. Oh, it's bad. Like I was in Dallas for three days. No, I'm sorry. Two days. I took no less than 12 outfits with me. Can you say that too? I don't overpack to that extent. I, a symptom of my mental illness is that I have to. While I'm packing, be looking at an itinerary of what I'm doing on my trip. And I have to pack accordingly.

44:02 Oh, see, I wish I could be like that. I feel like you're like Kenny and you just look in your closet and everything you feel like bringing goes in the suitcase. That is not my vibe. That's exactly what I do actually. It makes me so anxious. I hate it. Cause I'm like, you don't know. Okay. First of all, you're 100 % of the time going to overpack when you do that. But secondly, you're also, you could miss something. Like what if you're on your itinerary is to like go horseback riding or something and you don't bring an extra outfit for that? I don't know. It would stress me out to no end if I didn't pack along with my itinerary. You want to know what I didn't do is miss anything because I took it all with me. I took everything with me. Do you pack four pairs of underwear for each day, too, just in case? At least two. That's okay. You're going to shit your pants every day. No, it's because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt if I'm up walking, if I'm up doing anything, it's going to smell like balls. Well, like, and you sweat and whatever.

45:13 And I get that. And like, if you're going to do like a going out to dinner thing and you want to change and shower before that, like you need a night. I get that. I do. Kenny went on that trip to Cabo for a week. I am not kidding when I tell you he packed almost every single pair of underwear that he owns, like upwards of 20. It's actually insane. I have to tell you, I see nothing in the world wrong with that. So, but, like, I do know that, like, what I will, so, like, I'll have the bag that is allegedly my carry -on, like, roller bag, but, like, I know it will be checked. Right. I'll pack that, and I'm like, okay, and I've never once had this happen where my bags have gotten lost. Like, these stories of people losing bags, I... I don't believe all of them are true. Like I know it has to happen, but like most of the time we can find them. Like you go to the little office by baggage claim and like they'll figure out where it is. Right. Or you have a fucking air tag in it. It's just not that deep. That's what we do anyway. Yeah. So I'm like, OK, but if in the off chance it does happen, I'm going to put a couple of packing cubes of like outfits in my backpack just in case. And so. I end up having a completely full backpack, a completely full suitcase. And it's a lot. Sure. So I do have to get better about the way I pack. Tell me your story because I don't want you to forget it.

46:42 Oh, anytime Kenny and I go anywhere, even if we're bringing Jack, we do a checked bag. I hate a carry -on. I hate it so much. I don't like having to put it in the bin. I don't like having to pull it out of the bin. It's heavy. It's annoying. I feel like I'm going to forget it in the airport too. Like I'm just going to walk away from it and forget I had it. So we hate a carry -on and we do a checked bag. It's been overweight. Every single time we've gone to the airport and it's just like a sunk cost at this point, we are down to pay an extra hundred dollars every time we go to the airport. I love a checked bag. Listen, they can be whatever. Like if the limit is 50 pounds, our checked bag is 80. We have a giant bag and it is full to the brim and I don't give a fuck at all. Speaking of a checked bag. I am just going to put this out there away luggage.

47:40 I want you to sponsor this podcast and I want it so bad. I want an away bag. It's so bad. So like send me one. I've never seen that. Oh my God. They're so glamorous away. Please sponsor us. Um, and I will, I will shift my story from being my. My Samsonite baggage claim. I will find love with an away suitcase at baggage claim. 100%. Please sponsor us. What else? OK, so I need to get better. Oh, I tried Whataburger. Oh, yeah. Did you like it? It was so fucking good. They are good. It was so good to the point where I was at Dallas Fort Worth Airport. And they're not in. Or at least the one I went to, because I know they have three or four scattered around the airport. Because the Dallas Fort Worth Airport is unimaginably massive. That's what I've heard. It's like intense. It is so huge.

48:41 And there are like five or six terminals and they're building more right now. It's insane. But Dallas was this way, too. Like Dallas is huge. I thought you were talking about Dallas. no no no no like this like i'm back in dallas it's like coming back from dallas at this point no i know but you said the dallas port worth airport is huge and then you said dallas is also that way it's huge yeah like the the the or like the city itself okay sorry okay yeah i see okay um the airport's huge dallas is huge it's the hotel i stayed in was fucking everything's bigger it's huge they mean it i guess yeah they do and like Oh, Lord. So, OK, you. I went to like I had to go into like one of the things away from the Delta Terminal to like the the airport. I had to get in an airport tram to go find a Whataburger.

49:41 And I went back to the Delta Terminal and I was like editing an episode of the podcast like. That was that released last week. And it was so great. I was so happy. And I was like, do you know what I could go for again? And I went back for a second. What a burger meal. As you should. It was so good. It is good. It's like, yeah. And they have like this spicy ketchup. So good. I don't like ketchup, but I love ketchup. Yeah, I always wanted a burger when I was living in Louisiana. Oh, yeah, because it was like down in the same region. OK, so the next thing on my list was the Dallas -Fort Worth Airport is so unfathomably huge. Like, it is wild. Can we just thank Apple Maps for being detailed about airports? Because I really do appreciate the detail they put into every airport. It has saved my life a thousand times. And I'm not even shitting you. Like when I landed in Dallas, like it was 25 minutes of like the plane moving from the runway to the gate. We're supposed to. Yeah.

50:47 Yeah. It was wild. And then I'm going to tell you about the. Like so the experience of getting on the plane in Dallas. So I'm sitting and the woman comes on the thing and I have to assume they probably oversold this flight. Like I think this is probably really what the crux of the issue was. But so you sit down. I'm finishing my second meal of what a burger. I'm just like listening to a podcast at this point. I'm so happy. I'm like ready to get on a Delta flight and just like be taken away. The gate agent comes on. Half an hour before boarding starts and she goes, this flight will be full. If you are in zones six, seven, eight, you will not have a choice but to check your bag. Yeah. OK. Then the woman says, and we're going to go ahead and just proactively start asking for volunteers to check bags. Yeah. Great. It's happened on at least three or four flights I've been on in my life. Yeah. Like I was the first one in that line. I said, please think. Take my bag. Thank you. Please do. I was so excited. The number of people that were completely unwilling to check the bag. Like and it was like people were like grumbling, whatever. And then the woman just keeps making the announcement because she's like, this is going to be an issue and we're trying to get ahead of it. And the woman even said, this will help you get on the plane and in the

52:18 air faster if you just do it. Because they know that people are assholes. What do you have in there? Your diamonds? Maybe. What are you so precious about? Gate checking your bag. I don't get it. I'll tell you, there was one person at the end of the thing who was the last holdout who said who was in the last boarding group who was in the back of the plane. Who decided she was going on principle not to check her bag. So she carries her. And this was not a carry on bag. Like I can definitively tell you, I looked at it. I know what a carry on bag looks like. This was not a carry on bag. Yeah. This girl gets on the plane and I look at her and she just looked like an asshole. Like she was ready to fight someone. She's the main character. Oh, she was the main character in her life. And she.

53:09 gets on the plane no more room in the thing and the flight attendants are like you have to check that back and she just ignores them and just keeps on walking gets to the end of the thing it doesn't it's not that it didn't fit in the in the overhead bins it's that there was physically no more space because you know that how they start closing them as they get full they were all closed she opens one up and she's like Well, where am I going to put my bag? And girl, have you been listening? Yeah. And this flight attendant was like, there's nowhere to put it. You have to check that bag. And three more flight attendants moved to the back of the plane because they see what's coming. And this girl just is having a full blown meltdown screaming about, I don't want to check my bag. I don't want to check my bag. I don't want to check my bag. I just want to know why. Because like if you have medication or something, I get that. But they tell you, take it out. Yes. Take anything. They will say, take anything you think you might want on the flight out. Yes. Medications, electronics, any of that. You can take it out. Yes. And they will give you the time and the space to do that. So there's really no excuse. I don't get it. Yes.

54:26 And then she's screaming about how she has a layover in Atlanta, which brings me back to, yes, we all have a layover in Atlanta. Everyone on this flight has a layover in Atlanta. Like, are you flying with Quavo, who is actually going to stay in Atlanta? Who do you think here is really flying to Atlanta? Do you think everyone's man just really loves Atlanta? Like, I haven't spent that much time in Atlanta. I'm sure it's a beautiful city and people love Atlanta. But like, it's not exactly a vacation destination, mama. It's not. I don't get it. So then the girl's having the meltdown. And she's screaming about, I have 10 minutes to get from my flight in Atlanta to, like, where I get to Atlanta to where I leave Atlanta. And let me tell you a couple things here. You shouldn't have booked that. Delta allows you to choose. Like, you select the flights you want. I think most airlines do. Or, like, at the very least, you can see that you did not have enough time as you're booking the flight.

55:31 What? And so that was not a conversation I was willing to participate in where she just keeps going and going and going. Do you want to know what took longer than 10 minutes? Her fight? That fight. And so she's screaming, crying, growing up. People are starting to film her. Yeah. And I know I'm in the background just rolling my eyes because I was right next to it happening. Then. It's your moment. It comes to the point where they're like, we will call the airport police if you don't check the bag because you were delaying the flight taking off. No flightless for you, lady. I pray that she's on a list somewhere.

56:12 40 minutes of this. Emma, 40 minutes. You would think if she's so worried about catching her flight that she would just let it go. Yeah. You would think. 40 minutes of this. I missed my connecting flight in Atlanta, so I got to spend the night in Atlanta. Thanks to this bitch. I wonder how many people on that flight missed their connecting flight because of her. The flight is 70 percent of the people were connecting flights at a minimum because we all ended up at the same. Like desk. Well, I know, but sometimes you have like a three hour layover or whatever. So like it might be OK. Well, it was getting towards the end of the night. So like. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

56:53 Like I'm in my I mean, we hit Atlanta. It was supposed to be, I think, 930. We didn't get there till 1015. Oh, yeah. And usually planes stop at what? Like 1130 or something. I would think. Yeah. Um, so I got to spend the night in Atlanta. That was my, that was my journey to podcast movement. Um, or yeah, home from podcast. I'm glad you got there better than you've got. For sure. It was like, and I did, I did make the best of it. Like I, you know, I like, I was like, I'm finding the silver lining. I'm in my, one of my favorite cities, the United States, Marriott property spending the night. It was wonderful. Yeah. Like you're going to have a free breakfast in the morning and I'll be okay. It was beautiful. Um, The I will say my podcast friend, Jordan, who hosts What's Your One Thing? He's coming on the show. He's so excited. I'm very excited. We're going to make him watch an episode of The Real Housewives and it'll be I'll leave it a surprise.

57:51 But like Emma knows which one it is. And I'm it's very iconic. It's going to be great. You've seen it if you've seen Salt Lake City at all. Oh, we love. I'm so excited. But yeah, that was the podcast movement. Hooray. Oh, are you ready to complain? And it's finishing her donut. I'm going to kick off complaining with. Have you seen this trend on TikTok of the people who are like, I want your hacks for this like problem that I'm having. I'm not talking about like ones for like migraines or whatever. I'm not talking about taking Excedrin and drink water. I'm talking about your most unhinged hacks. Yes. The format is, I'm not talking about the obvious answer.

58:39 I'm talking about engagement farming. That is the format. Oh, is that what it is? 100 % it is. Okay, so I think I'm particularly sensitive. Not sensitive, but I think it makes me angry. And maybe that's why it makes me angry. Because I'm just like, what are you doing? This is not a real thing that people do. it's and it's i i'm sure everyone has seen these posts where it's like just text on like a background and it's just a picture where it's like uh tell me why it's controversial for people to eat like not be hungry and like you have you're gonna get reactions from both sides of the argument is as many comments as possible oh they yeah now i hate it more yeah that's 100 % what it is okay I've seen one that's like for moms and whatever. And listen, I understand reaching out to the Internet and being like, I'm a first time mom. Tell me everything you wish you knew before I get into it. Fine. Framing it in that way is so weird. Stop being weird. It is. It's weird.

59:53 Stop being weird. I yeah, it's engagement for me. I hate it. I hate it so much. Well, now we know. Be funny or entertaining. Be funny. Something. Also, please engage with us. Yeah, but at least we're not pandering. Right. Like, Jesus. Tell me your most unhinged hydration hack. I'm not talking about drinking water. Jesus Christ. I'm not talking about liquid IV. I'm talking about how do you get water? Like, please. And because never on any of them have I seen anything helpful or like. Any ingenuity or anything. I haven't seen anything inventive. Nothing like that. It's not to start a conversation. It's to get as many comments as possible. It's just so weird. I have a quick one and a basic one to complain about today. And it is spam texts. I don't. Listen, I get a hundred spam calls a day and that does still does not bother me as much as a spam text.

1:01:05 I got one yesterday that just said, are you home? The most ominous thing in the fucking world to ask me. And I was on my way to get Jack and I like kept checking my ring camera because I was like, I'm a paranoid person. And I just every time I get something like that, I'm like, oh, I'm in a horror film. i will say the spam texts have gone on one hand it's it's like at this point it's like i think it's just a fact of life now because like i don't understand how it has become so pervasive the the problem that i have are the ones that are like because like you've always had scams out in the world right the ones the problems that i have now are like the people where it's like we're texting mass amounts of people being like hey i this is crystal from um From Monster .com or, like, Crystal from wherever, from LinkedIn. I get those. I get them ten times a day. Right. Those don't bother me as much as the, like, ominous one -liner only to me. Like, if it's in a group message or whatever, I'm like, whatever, girl. But it's this ominous, like, one -liner weird one. Are you home? Like. Ew.

1:02:23 What? Yeah. I agree. That's. Not great. I hate them. I hate them so much. I hate spam texts. Yeah. And also spam calls are annoying only because there are some numbers I don't have saved that I need to answer when they call me, i .e. my doctor or the ultrasound text. I want to schedule my ultrasounds and I don't answer them because I don't know the number. I don't know what the answer to that is, but I can tell you if. A politician ran and his, his or her only running promise or like campaign promise was I will stop spam texts and, and scam like phone calls. Biggest landslide you've ever seen. I'm telling you right now. The whole country would cheer. Yeah. I, I don't even know. Like where, where did they get my phone number? Where did it leak from?

1:03:22 I'm sure it's people selling my data. Anyway, that's all I wanted to complain about today. Well, that is a valid complaint. I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate scam techs. Yeah. The job recruiting ones are not as annoying as the weirdo ones. Well, no, they bother me because, like, in today's job market, like, you're going to dangle that out in front of someone's face and then be like, oh, yeah, sorry. It's just scam. You got to message me on WhatsApp. Yeah. No, that's true. Someone was like looking forward to a job. I don't know. I don't know. I don't like any of it. Are you ready for reality roundup?

1:04:03 Yes. We have a lot on the horizon. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City comes back on September 17th. Real Housewives of Potomac comes back on October 5th. And The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 comes back on November 13th. I'm going to have the best third trimester of my life. I'm going to be huge and glued to my couch. I could not be more excited because these are three of my favorite shows and it's all happening together. I'm so excited. The Potomac trailer looked so... Good. This is what I love, and I wish they would have done this with Salt Lake City after Jen went to prison. They lean into Karen Huger being in jail. 100%. They're writing her prison letters.

1:04:58 Yes. And I think I predicted on the pod that they would bring Monique back. I'm pretty sure I said that. When we were still recording in the library, like early on when we were talking about Potomac, I'm pretty sure I said, I hope with Karen gone, it's either Candace or Monique coming back. Well, I think the reason that Monique is coming back is because Candace didn't come back. 100%. I know they would have preferred Candace, but I love Monique's messy ass. It's so fun to watch. Oh, I loved Monique. I don't know if I knew she was divorced. She's divorced? Well, in the Potomac trailer, they say Stacey was flirting with Monique's ex -husband, Chris Samuels. Ex -husband. Yeah. Monique Samuels finalized her divorce from Chris Samuels in September 2023.

1:05:54 The couple. What? Two years ago. The couple separated in October 2022. What? Yeah. That was like a big. I didn't know that she was divorced. I had no idea. Well, yeah. So like on in the trailer, I clocked that they were saying Stacey was flirting with Chris Samuel's Monique's ex -husband. And I was like, hold the phone. What? Because that's he. They seem tight knit. When they were on the show. Crazy. Right. I did not see that split coming. I'll be so honest. They seemed like they really were like yin and yang with each other. Like really cool. No, I thought if there was ever a marriage that would last and I'm not joking, I thought it was Chris and Monique. Crazy. I thought they really did have like a, an opposite to track kind of thing where like, yeah, he cooled her off and she hyped him up, you know? Oh, I did. That's so crazy. Wow. Yeah. OK. And speaking of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City coming back, we're going to have husbands watching Housewives on after the Salt Lake Salt Lake City premiere to recap the first episode with them. I'm very excited. They're very excited to meet you. They're very excited. They have a lot of questions about you. Oh, I'm excited. Yeah, I'm so excited. In other reality news, did you see that Angie Katzenavis partnered with a tequila brand? I did not. Oh.

1:07:27 Let me see. Hold on. Okay. I don't know how I didn't catch that. It was because it's one of a billion tequila brands and it wasn't her tequila brand. It was like a partnership with them. But Lisa Barlow is furious. It's the candle thing from Potomac. Just Utah. 100 % it is. oh but yeah that's so funny of course she is of course she is that was my thing you're threatening my business and lisa i get it like because it was the same thing with um in new york city when bethany frankel was still on real housewives uh sonia morgan started a or she was going to start a like mixed drink brand called tipsy girl And Bethany Frankel was like, everyone else was mad. Bethany Frankel was like, you can do whatever you want to do. I'm not. It's not a conversation I'm willing to participate in because you will never be skinny girl, basically. 100%. And I feel like that name is close enough that you could get a cease and desist, honestly. And then finally, Karen Huger is getting out of jail.

1:08:40 Next week. Clink, clink. September 2nd. That's the day of my glucose test. Oh, my God. I didn't realize it was the same day. I'm going to be so happy. Just scrolling in the OB waiting for this. I'm excited for you. Just waiting for the news. Oh, my God. Do you think she'll come back? Do you think they'll have her back? Are you fucking kidding? I mean, they have to, right? They have to. I have to. And this is the thing about Karen where I don't know if Bravo wants her back because I do think the way that Karen went about the denial of everything and like I don't like the way she handled it. I have to assume that they're like, you know, we can't really promote her in this way. I do think Karen expects Bravo cameras to be rolling when she walks out of. the front of the jail. Okay. So I just feel like Andy Cohen really has his finger on the pulse of like what people will watch and people would watch her return. I don't think it'll be like what she's expecting. You know what I mean? No, I think, I think people are going to want to hold her accountable. And I think Karen's argument is going to be. I've served my time. I have nothing else to prove to you people. I know that. That's the problem I have with her. I don't like her because of that. Don't put her in a reunion with

1:10:12 Andy Cohen or he is going to drag her to hell and back. So there's that. Speaking of people getting out of jail. I Nick Vile was on his podcast and Monica Garcia was on and Monica was the one who used to work for Jen Shaw. Yeah. He asked if Jen comes back, do you think they're going to bring you back at any point? And I pray that I pray that this happens because I would pay actual money to see them just fight. 100%. Can you imagine? Oh, my God. Anyway, I just can't.

1:11:00 Oh, speaking of Andy Cohen real quick. He they got him on Peacock to host the Love Island reunion. Oh, tell me about that because I didn't watch it. OK, because there's there's been a lot of talk around that. I don't think the contestants nor the audience of Love Island, i .e. Braindead. 20 something. Sure. New Andy Cohen's type of game because he came for them the way Andy Cohen comes for people. And they were like shocked that he was asking these questions. You could see on their faces that they were like. I didn't think you would actually ask me that type of thing. You know what I mean? They didn't say that, but you could just tell. And I was like, oh, you novice bitches. You don't know. What did they think was going to happen? Well, so they had Andy Cohen and Ariana Maddox. You know, Ariana hosts. Yeah. They were very good cop, bad cop. Oh, yeah. I actually really love it.

1:12:08 I loved it, too. The contestants who were on the show and were doing the reunion, they didn't give a lot to work with, to be honest. But Andy did press them multiple times. Oh, that's incredible. The show just ended a month ago, right? It just ended at the end of July. And there was this girl, the one who I complained about, who was a single mom. crashing out all the time on national television. Was her name Huda? Yeah. Okay, yeah. She had the nerve to sit there. And you know Andy Cohen, he's just like no bullshit. So she had the nerve to sit there and be like, you know, the experience was really eye -opening for me.

1:12:54 I think it's really changed me as a person. I've done a lot of reflection. And Andy Cohen goes, you did a month of self -reflection and you're a different person. the way she just clammed right up it's like you guys don't know you can't just sit there and bullshit in front of andy cohen he's gonna get the truth tea but here's the real thing about andy you you know what he did before he worked for bravo right no he was like an actual journalist like producing content or not uh not content for abc or nbc one of the two it had to be nbc because it I could be wrong, but he was like a real journalist. Like he was in the trenches. That's not surprising to me at all. He was getting to the facts of the matter.

1:13:41 And he's like, not going to fuck around with your bullshit. No, you cannot go on a reunion hosted by Andy Cohen or God forbid, watch what happens live and expect to. push a bullshit narrative. He's not going to hear it out. And like, there's this one guy on there who is a legitimately brain dead. Like he is so stupid. Austin. I'm not afraid to say that he is stupid. And, and at one point Andy asked him a question and he was like, sorry, Andy, I was zoned out for like the last five minutes. And Andy just asked him again. I love everything about this. It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous to watch. If you were not interested in the actual reunion and just interested in Andy Cohen experiencing the Love Island cast, it was amazing. I think he's the perfect person to bring on for all of these interview type things.

1:14:47 100%. He's messy. He should be over books. And I'm sure he is. Everyone wants him for everything. Oh, for sure. Oh, I love that. That's gold. It was beautiful. And the thing is, he holds himself so well that, like, he never comes off as particularly bitchy until you think about what he's saying. You know what I mean? I do. Yeah. Love. Anyway. He's also hot. Andy Cohen, if you're ever looking for a boyfriend. Or a girlfriend. Either way. Hello. So. We're doing a season one, episode four of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City titled Roaring Emotions. Yeah. We're at Whitney's party. Yes. I forgot about that. Whitney needs money for the strippers and Justin only has 20.

1:15:37 So she just immediately starts throwing 20s at the strippers. Which is beautiful. Strippers, I hope you did that. I hope you got yourself into a Louis V off of Whitney being like that. She said, OK. She said, I'm going to support dancer. Jen pulls Meredith aside to talk about canceling the sleepover. And Meredith is a little a little diplomatic about the whole thing. And I think. More diplomatic than she needed to be, but she didn't want to embarrass Jen about her puss being out. And Jen keeps obsessing over Meredith being friends with Mary. And Meredith comes in as a rational person, and she's trying to talk to an irrational person. It was very evident. Sometimes Jen is a little like rage baby, like she's just trying to get you to be emotional about something. OK, I feel like instead of actually like getting down to the crux of the issue, you know what I mean? Maybe I even if that is part of it, I think at the end of the day, Jen wants loyalty, blind loyalty. Yeah, but I don't understand. she was friends with mary before so is being loyal in jen's definition does that mean following jen wherever she goes like i don't understand that i think so because she would have been okay with you being friends with mary a year ago yeah but not anymore so

1:17:08 don't be friends with her anymore that's like that's that's truly how i see it i really yeah i really do have a problem with that but moving on um Whitney's messy. She goes, as the host of the party, do you think I need to go see what's going on over there? Diva, just say that you want to be in the drama. Just say you want to get in the middle of it and you want camera time. Yeah, if it were my party, I would be like, what are we talking about in my house? In my speakeasy? What are we talking about? sorry and then lisa goes over to like simmer things down and then we get the infamous i'm disengaging i've had enough of this i'm not engaging and i forgot that this is where it came from because like i've seen the meme a billion times and i'm like oh yeah i love this i honestly really respect that to just be like because i've done that before to like kenny or whatever like if i'm having a whatever a little tiff i've been like yeah i'm done with this conversation like curtain closed we're done i'm disengaging yeah i'm disengaging i i love that and then lisa's sitting there with jen and jen's crashing out and she goes you're gonna go over there with mary who fucks her grandfather and you see the faces that the people make And this is something where it became very clear

1:18:38 where like these women all got together before the show and they made these faces because I think this is one of the things that they agreed. They just weren't going to say they weren't going to do it. Right. A line we're not going to cross. And I understand why, because like a thousand percent. Yes, I understand. Yeah. It changes the whole tone of the show. Yeah. Like, yeah. Anyway. Weird, weird, weird. Yeah. And I really like respected Lisa for sitting down with Jen and being like, let out your emotions. Like, let's just talk. Yes. And then Jen just had to take it too far. Yes. Just had to. Yeah. meredith ends up leaving and then jen is fully blacked out like you can hear it in her voice she is blacked out and she calls sharif to come pick her up and then jen ends up outside of the speakeasy antique store with heather chasing after and i feel bad for heather because i feel like heather is trying to make it better but like all you get is jen screaming Don't follow me. Don't touch me. Like she's doing the whole thing. And I'm like, you're in the middle of a street. I do feel bad for Heather because I feel like she's genuinely trying to show up for Jen the way Jen has requested people show up for her. And she won't accept it. And even then, she's not enough.

1:20:04 And this, this doesn't negate like where I do feel like Heather is a little bit wishy -washy in the first season, especially where she's like, Oh no, Jen's great. Jen's amazing. And then behind the scenes, she's like, she's out of her fucking mind. But in the moment, what do you do with a person like that? Yeah. I don't know that I would want to go out drinking with Jen Shaw. She doesn't seem like a very fun John. She seems like if all eyes aren't on her, she'll just like spin out of control. Like, I don't know. And like, I have been like, I've been out at teeny before with people where like the wheels start to fall off and things start going off the rails. And like we're out on the middle of Mass Ave. And like this, I'm thinking of one person in particular. And I've had to like grab someone by the shoulders and be like, you were in public.

1:20:49 Shut the fuck up. And like, I wish Heather would have done that because like, what are you doing? She couldn't have said that or she would have had to apologize 17 times to Jen. Right. Anyway. The next day, everyone's unpacking their feelings, and Heather straight up says she's afraid of Jen. And this will come back later in the season, dear listener. I want you to remember, Heather says she is afraid of Jen. Yes. Okay. Just want to make sure we're all on the same page about that. Yeah. Yeah. I think we have to be careful with our words, Heather, because... No, no, no, no, no. I... It comes back because. No, I remember.

1:21:34 Okay. I just, I feel like if she would have said, I feel like Jen's a loose cannon or something like that. She wouldn't have had to like deal with everything that comes later. You know what I mean? I see what you're saying. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. How could she have foreseen? Right. Meredith and Lisa are at an art gallery. Oh, yeah. And they're looking at the art. And Lisa is so weird. I feel like she's like me. Like, when you go clothes shopping, you have to feel the texture of everything. Sure. But she's doing it with art. Like, actual art. And the fact that, like, she asks at every station, can I touch? Can I touch? Viva, you know you're not supposed to touch art. Like, there's oils on your fingers.

1:22:23 What are you doing? You weirdo. I thought that was hilarious. Yeah. But this is where we end up finding out or where we don't find out. Meredith tells Lisa that she and Seth have been separated off and on. Yeah. And I didn't think Lisa would react like that. I feel like she was just blindsided. I feel like she thought that she and Meredith were so close that like she would have been getting texts about the fights leading up to that and stuff like that. So for her to just hear that they have been separated for some time, I feel like really surprised her. But. I do buy that her reaction was genuine and she's like, I just want my friends to be OK. Like, I thought that was so sweet. Yeah, 100 percent. Well, I feel like Lisa understands the difference between like, oh, we're on this reality TV show. He ha ha versus like, oh, this is like a real issue going on in your life. And like. that's not good anyway yeah and then lisa goes over to mary's house mary says she decides she's gonna throw a luncheon with all the girls to come together and work through their shit and the theme is going to be which is not a theme by the way it's not a theme it's a place it's at the met and it is a gala so is your theme art museum party like i don't understand it It's so silly. And Mary wants to invite Jen, but she's not sure

1:23:54 if she wants to or she's not sure about this decision because she can't handle the meltdowns. And OK, this is like a side note that I wrote down where this is episode number four. I wonder how many of these happened off camera that didn't make it to the final show, because like. Someone melts down a couple of times and you're like, oh, whatever. She's melted down every episode, though. And every time Mary sees her, she's having a meltdown. Right. So in my mind, I'm like, oh, you've seen this. 15, 20 times. And you're just like, I can't handle this anymore. I don't even know. Like, I'm sure that there are a few, at least off camera that we didn't see, but like she shows up to Meredith's birthday party at Jen's house. Jen has a meltdown. She shows up to Whitney's party. Jen has a meltdown. Like, I think that is a pattern in and of itself. It's exhausting. Yeah. And then. Jen goes over to Heather's house and they unpack a little bit about Whitney's party and Jen's behavior at the party. And Jen blames it on a hard week with Sharif being gone and the anniversary of her dad passing. I want to say something really quick.

1:25:03 Oh, your phone's going to fall. I want to say something really quick. This is all happening around January, February. OK. They show a flashback of Jen visiting her dad's gravesite. Yeah. Her dad died in September. I don't know. Like, whatever. I won't take away the grief and like, whatever. It's a bullshit excuse regardless. Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Even if. You were actively grieving. I don't think that's a reason to get so drunk. You call your friend incestuous and then start screaming in the street. Like, I'm sorry. That's no reason.

1:25:57 Insane. Yeah. We also find out that Sharif couldn't be at her dad's funeral because he was traveling for work, which really sucks. I don't know how Jen got through it without Sharif being there. So I will give her that. Yeah, for sure. But at the same time, like it's not like Sharif just started traveling. Like this is the career he's had for some time now. Yes. He travels a lot. Sure. You use it to your advantage to throw parties, Miss Ma 'am. And I don't know. It feels like like. kenny has to work 24 7 and i can't pick and choose when that's annoying for me you know what i mean i agree but like i do think it is valid for her to like i don't know how long i mean not i don't know this isn't the right way to say it i don't know like when it stops being a relevant to the issue excuse that your husband was not there for your dad's funeral yeah no and that has to be hard and i do get that a hundred percent but at the same time i do feel i also feel like it's something you can anticipate when you know that your partner has a demanding career that and also it has nothing to do with your meltdown about mary like those are two very again not a good excuse for this right um And then we find out that Meredith's birthday party cost $85 ,000. Thank you, fraud. And like, I look

1:27:34 at that party and I'm like, I'll buy. 30, 40. I don't know that I buy 85 ,000. I would like to see some line items and some invoices. I mean, you have the fire dancers. I'm sure she had like a full bar. Sure. And the decorations covered her whole entire house. Sure. And you hired people to like take it down and put it up. I don't know. Okay, fair. But like $85 ,000? It still seems a little steep. I'm sure she's inflating. I'm sure. And then she also lets it slip that Meredith and Seth are separated. This is. Here's the thing, Jen. If you were separated from Sharif and someone let it slip without you telling them. Yeah, you'd kill him. Right. Like, shut up. So then we get to Mary's Met Gala luncheon. This was a fucking fever dream. Which is just a themeless luncheon, in my opinion. There's nothing Met Gala -y about it, except that they're all dressed up. If you wanted to have a glamazon, everyone wear your best gown party, just say that. Whatever. But also it's the middle of the day. I don't know.

1:29:00 It was noon on a Saturday. If you wanted everyone to be dressed to the nines at noon on a Saturday, just say that. Don't call it a Met Gala. I could feel the weather that was happening right here. Cause it's like, it was January, February. You're like, and you know, like where it's like cold, but the sun's beating down on you. So you're hot and cold at the same time and you're uncomfortable. I know that's what they were feeling. 100%. And like everywhere. you go inside is like way too hot for some reason yes yeah 100 % Mary has I assume two people from her church I don't know but they're laying everything out for the party and like they're doing the place settings and she goes can you read oh because the names are upside down I thought they were staff like at the place she was hosting the lunch maybe okay I don't know who those people were but yeah she was mean as dirt oh my god it's just a tiny detail or it's just a huge detail like i i don't know like she was so mean to them like you can't put down some place cards yourself miss ma 'am oh my god oh my god and then heather has the same confusion about the matt gala theme as i did it's it's an event it's not a theme but that's okay Right. And like, it's a party that's famous for being different every single year. Like, yes. Never looks the same. Yes. In fact, it's in different exhibits each year. Yes. Okay. Anyway.

1:30:31 Jesus Christ. We talked about this man on our last episode, Walter. He's the owner of this restaurant. Yes. And he. It's so intense about tasting the wine. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. He like does the thing and he's like, oh. Oh. Right. Oh. It was weird. Yeah. At least he's passionate about what he does, I guess. Absolutely. And I feel like I've told you this. We're going to this restaurant. We go to Salt Lake City because it's real Italian food. I want to go so bad. I really do want to go. Everyone starts to show up and they're greeted by guys in Nutcracker costumes. Yeah. And these are all guys from Mary's Church 100%, right? Or something. I just, I'm so confused about the theme. The theme was wild.

1:31:32 Where did we get Nutcrackers? I don't know. I don't know. They were finding their footing as a cast, I guess. I forgot about the next part. Please take it, please. Oh, my God. So Mary wants everyone to know that they're fancy and they're drinking 2003 Dom Perignon. Which is fancy because it's the year he killed 5 ,000 people. But also it made the best grapes of all time. Oh, my God.

1:32:14 She's just the worst. She's the worst. I want you to remember this moment when we get to season four or five. Season four, because it's the one for Monica Garcia is there. I want you to remember this for season four. I will. Oh, my God. Mary. When I watched this season, I did not like her so deeply. And so every time she did something like that, I was like, you evil monster witch. Oh, my God. It killed 5 ,600 people, but it made the best grapes of all time. That was a wild thing to say out loud. Like, why would you say that? Again, first lady of a church. I don't.

1:33:00 Okay, Miss Mary. Okay, Mary. Yeah. She also gives everyone a pair of Louis Vuitton earbuds. And I did a little investigative journalism. One pair of these is $1 ,660. And this is like the ones that they're selling today. So all total, she spent $8 ,300. Ostensibly, let's call it $6 ,000 to account for inflation. That didn't include the personalized journals and the pens and everything. Do we think these were real or do we think they were from DHgate? I don't think she could handle the scrutiny she would face if one of these women called it out for being fake. So I think they're real, especially with all the Chanel in those closets. you know what i mean she gets a ten thousand dollar bag once a month you know what i mean so like i kind of believe maybe that is wild i wonder if she was able to write that off as a business expense because like it was for the show i hope so i hope so i don't know i don't know but i do like when i when i think about her closet and stuff like that I'm like, yeah, that's probably real.

1:34:24 And also, I think she would be so, again, severely embarrassed if like Jen or Heather was like, even off camera, they were like, these are obviously fake. Do you think? Maybe. I mean, that's wild, though. $8 ,300 for people you don't really like. Right. And also earbuds you don't really like. Like those can't be good. I don't know. I don't know. I've never tried the Louis Vuitton AirPods, but here we are. They can't be good. No. We started to do the thing that we do on every, every Real Housewives dinner where they go around and we're sharing something the rest of the group doesn't know. We're like, whatever. Mary shares that she has trust issues. I don't even want to dive into that. Of course you do. Of course you do.

1:35:13 Of course you do. I'm sure you do. Right. When he says that she's working on not caring what other people think about her, but she's not a swinger. And she really hits the G's. And I don't know why that bothers me so much. But like. Yeah. I get it. Do you? To some extent, it's like if she's really not a swinger, then. It's like, how do you let that go? Like, if there's any rumor about you that you know is not true, it's like. i find it easy but i do see the difficulty where it's like well i know the truth about me and so like i'm just gonna carry on with my life and la -di -da -di -da but when you're on a reality tv show i feel like everything is so heightened yeah but it's like how do you just let this go like you're trying to control everyone's perception of you on this show sure and it's like something gets so spun out of control like that where it's like now everyone thinks i'm a swinger am i just like supposed to be okay with that or like how do i grapple with that i don't know i kind of see it okay but like it's fair if i were whitney i would just lean into being hot i would too i feel like maybe we are swingers i i i've said it before i'll say it again i would swing with them i do think a hundred percent if i were whitney

1:36:45 It's just the way I am, so it's not really fair, because I understand people are different. But I would just leave it a mystery. Like, I would just not... I wouldn't talk about it at all. I would be like, maybe I am, maybe I'm not. That's none of your business. Maybe. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. That's what I would do, but I'm not her. Lisa shares that she has extremely high goals for herself. And saying this literally moves her to tears. She's so girl boss. She's... Lisa. That 2003 Dom Perignon is really hitting.

1:37:25 I have never seen anything like it before. And... Good for her. You can see on the show when she's like doing her own thing. She does have really high goals for herself and she believes in goal setting to like a fault almost. So it's like, I get it, but girl, why are we crying at noon at this luncheon about having, uh, anyway, anyway, goals. And then we have Jen. Go for it. Jen's just talking about her childhood, being the oldest in the family, which comes with the expectation to always be perfect. I'm the oldest. I get it.

1:38:10 It's not that you need to be perfect, but it is like you're a third parent. You need to be responsible and all of that. Sure. But then she goes on to relate it to loyalty and friendship. And she explains that she's intense because she cares so much. That's why she said Mary fucks her grandfather. Because she cares so much. She cares so much. She does end up apologizing to Meredith because they had that tip. Sure. Yeah.

1:39:03 And it seems like Meredith accepts that apology and whatever. It's fine. And then Mary, like not at the table, but in her confessional is asking why she didn't get an apology. I think that's fair. I mean, yeah. But I want you to remember that the thing about her being the oldest kid when we start talking about the indictment. Because this does come back to rear its ugly head eventually. Oh, yeah. I watched that a few weeks ago, actually. Did you? Yeah. So. Yeah, so we leave it off at the luncheon. Yeah, we get it to be continued. Just like this episode will be to be continued because you have to go get Jack ready or you have to go get Jack from school. Yeah, in like 15 minutes or something.

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