finding meaning and purpose with the president of the Corbin Bleu fan club.

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I'm Travis. And I'm Taylor. And this is Bestie

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Approved. What was the last song you listened

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to? Oh, my gosh. I did this really magical thing

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where I was desperate to feel something. And

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so I shuffled every single song that I have.

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I love doing that. Oh, yeah. Like when I'm in

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like a deep episode. Yeah. Yeah. I the last thing

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on that shuffle was No Complaints by Noah Kahn.

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I love that. I love that. And I love him. What

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was the last song you listened to? And then I

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have a question for you. A Little Bit by Demi

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Lovato. What album is that from? It's off the

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new one. Oh, really? That came out like two weeks

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ago. Oh, my. I didn't even know she did that.

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Yeah. OK, what's your question? Have you ever

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been in like a deep episode where you shuffle

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your songs and you're like, OK, the next song

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that comes on has a message that I need to hear?

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No. Just me. I did that a lot. right right okay

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anyways me neither honestly um i did that a lot

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when i was in my last relationship and i was

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like god if you're listening send me a sign with

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the next song that i shuffle and of course every

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time it was like leave him you're in a bad situation

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and i was like hey god it's me taylor hey god

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it's me again i did that do you ever do that

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i don't know how you would but i did that with

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license plates too i was like if i see an indiana

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plate I'm meant to be in Indiana. Can I just

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tell you, Josh, I love you to no end. I love

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you. You are a person that looks for messages

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in a lot of places. I love I love trying to find

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meaning and purpose in things that probably don't

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have any meaning or purpose. Yeah, I love it.

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And I wish I could be more like you at that,

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because like I. float through life. And I'm like,

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whatever happens happens, I guess. Well, I think

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that that's great, too. I think that there is

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good in both situations. And I also think that

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I'm in a really good place now where I don't

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have to do that. And I think that if you're genuinely

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trying to find messages or purposes in the mundane,

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then that means. You're lacking something. Yeah.

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And you're trying to find things through those

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messages, through that purpose that you're trying

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to search for. So I think that that's probably

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a good thing that neither of us are in the position

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to need that. Yeah. Yeah. I've just never been

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a person that's like because like I. I guess

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like if if if something like presents itself

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to me and like it's very evident what the message

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is or whatever, like I guess I can like. pull

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something from that but like I don't know if

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it's like a leaf floating in the wind or something

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I'm just like okay or if like all of a sudden

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a little bit by Demi Lovato comes on and you're

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like yeah I meant to listen to this for a reason

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right now in this moment I mean maybe I am meant

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to listen to it for a reason because Demi Lovato

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is the voice of a generation and she is and I've

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always I've literally always said that I'm telling

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you like maybe 12 to 15 years ago she was my

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absolute idol it was when it was like the uh

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the don't forget album oh god i i needed it so

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bad i tried to dress in all like black white

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and red because i was so obsessed with her i

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love that yeah literally my era with her was

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the confident era of course what's wrong with

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being i love that song yeah for sure she she

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really is a pop culture icon that has withstood

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the test of time. She's always good. Well, her

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story is actually super interesting, too, because

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like she was she was on. No, she was on Wizards

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of Waverly Place. Selena Gomez was Selena Gomez

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was on Wizards of Waverly Place. She was on a

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show called Sunny with a Chance. Yes. Yes. OK.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be so real. I, for a

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very long time, thought Timmy Lovato and Selena

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Gomez were the same person. Oh. They were best

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friends. Were they? Yes. Which one dated Justin

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Bieber? Selena Gomez. Selena Gomez. Okay. Yeah,

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for sure. I'm going to cut that because I don't

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know. No, it's really great. Well, when they

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were younger, they looked a lot alike. You know,

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like in their teenage to early adult era, they

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had similar characteristics. And of course, both

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of them being on Disney Channel at the same time

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and best friends and all that stuff. I'm sure

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it was easy for... Was Jimmy Lovato the one that

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was on Barney? They were both on Barney, actually.

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OK, cute. I think that's how they met. Oh, OK,

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cool. Yeah. I was a big, fat Demi Lovato fan

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when like in middle school and high school. So

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like, you know who else I was a huge fan of so

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much that I don't know if you remember this,

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but in elementary school, I made a club, a fan

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club for a particular celebrity that was also

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on Disney Channel. Can you guess who it was?

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I'll give you one guess and then I'm going to

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tell you. you'll die i'm trying to think about

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who is on it is a man if that is a hint whether

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the no jonas brothers or nickelodeon uh no they

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were disney channel were they yes they were i

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did love nick jonas i was a nick girl but no

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i have no idea corbin blue shut up he he was

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my first like sexual awakening really oh my god

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the hottest thing i've ever seen the hottest

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thing since sliced bread so hot oh corbin blue

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was high school musical i was thinking about

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uh the friend from that's so raven the one the

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guy friend uh Orlando Brown. Yes. That's who

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I was thinking about. Nevermind. I'm sorry. Did

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you imagine? No, not him. No Corbin blue. He,

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and that was also my first concert that our aunt

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Tina took, took me to. That was my very first

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concert. It was, wasn't it? And I think Bailey

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and Logan went as well. Yeah. It was incredible.

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I barely remember a second of it, but I do remember

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it was at the fairgrounds. Yeah. Um, I was so

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obsessed with him. I had a pillow with his face

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on it. I had like, I remember the pillow. I do

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remember this. Yes. It was like a satiny pillow.

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Um, and at the elementary school I made a fan

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club and I was the leader of it. And we would

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just sit during lunch and read this biography

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of him. Yes. I don't know who published it, but

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it had a bunch of pictures of him, his whole

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life story. I was, I was the leader. I was the

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president of the club. Like, At least four other

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girls. I love that. And I think one of them was

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a guy. I think there was one guy that was in

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it. Have you checked on that guy lately? I have

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no clue who he is. OK, perfect. I could not tell

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you who he is or who he was. I don't know the

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first thing about whoever that man is today.

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I love that. But I do know about Corbin Bleu

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and I love him. Now he's a little Broadway guy.

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Is he? Broadway dance. He loves it. Oh, good

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for him. I keep up. I think I follow him on Instagram.

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I love that. I'm so happy. Yeah. Tell me about

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your week. Tell me about the week in the life

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of a teacher. Thank you so much for asking. I

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actually have a couple of things that I can discuss

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about it. But this week was really fun for me,

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actually. And this was actually the first week

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where I'm like, I've been waiting for this moment

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since the beginning of the school year, because

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we're in the unit where we read a novel and the

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novel is Of Mice and Men. I've read. and taught

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this story every single year that I've been a

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teacher. And I do love it every single time.

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I do know that it's really debatable amongst

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the masses, whether or not it should be taught

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in schools. There's all kinds of things that,

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I mean, literally, oh, sexism, ageism, ableism,

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racism, using the N word, murder. You name it,

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it's in the book. All in 107 pages. That's wild.

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It's called a novella because it's so tiny. But

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the whole gist of it and like why it's continued

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to be taught in schools is because we're supposed

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to see how the world once was so that we know

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what not to do in the future. And so that history

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doesn't repeat itself because how are we supposed

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to. I mean, you literally just said this earlier.

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How do we know what's good and what's bad if

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we don't see what's good and what's bad? And

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if we don't know. Yeah. So. But like that book

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has been taught in schools for like ever, right?

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Years and years and years. It was published in

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the 30s. We read it when I was in high school

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for sure. It's in a lot of schools curriculum.

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Everybody, most people read it. And even though

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there's so many like crazy things in it like

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that. Um, it's the one book where every year

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when I see parents come in and like, we have

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like a parent teacher day and we all meet the

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teacher or whatever. I tell the parents some

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highlights of the curriculum for the whole year.

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And they're like, of mice and men is the only

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book I remember from high school. And I loved

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it. Or it's the only book that I cared about.

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It was the only one that made me feel something,

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blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's a, I think it's

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a beautiful story in the grand scheme of things.

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And so when we finally finished it this week,

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I was like chapter five and chapter six. Those

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are the last two chapters. The kids are going

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to freak. I hope I because I get really invested.

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And that's why, like, I loved I love the act

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of teaching because I like teaching things that

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I enjoy and I enjoy reading that book and teaching

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that book. So I want them to be excited, too.

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So when some big, crazy things happen in chapter

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five and chapter six, I was so happy to see that

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the kids were like, oh, you're kidding. No, you're

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joking. I had a couple of kids cry. Really? Yep.

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Thank God. I cried, too. I've taught this book.

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If you count like each period over the past six

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years that I've taught this book, I probably

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read and taught this book. 25 26 times okay and

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every single time I cry at least every single

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year I cry and I and I'm like I'm in touch with

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my emotions and what about you so that's good

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if you want to if you want to see me cry look

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my way if not you can mind your business whatever

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you want so it was really fun and Everybody was

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really invested. No phones. They were into it.

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They were listening to the audio. They were reacting.

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I was like, this is what I've been waiting for.

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Thank God. That's the only thing that rejuvenates

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me with this job is. That's really cool, though,

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that you have like it's like something that gets

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you back into the flow state, because I feel

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like I've got a couple of professors like that

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where like you can tell that they really, really,

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really love what they're talking about. I love

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that. I love that you have that. Yeah. So this

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week we finished the book. We had like, you know,

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tests and quizzes over it, whatever. And now

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that it's almost Thanksgiving break, I'm like,

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guys, we're obviously just going to watch the

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movie rest of the week. And then the rest of

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this upcoming week, starting tomorrow, because

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we started the movie on Friday and we'll continue

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watching it on Monday, finish it on Tuesday.

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And I'm like, it's. Before Thanksgiving break.

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Let's just have a chill little time. Let's have

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a chill little time. Yeah. I love that. This

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has been like a relatively good week. Good. In

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regards to teaching, pretty easy, pretty simple.

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Except this week, I do have to make sub plans

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for three separate days for three separate classes

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because I'm having a little staycation for my

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birthday. Good for you. Yeah. It just, it does

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suck a little bit to do sub plans, but. I try

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to make it as simple as possible because most

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of the subs are like old ladies. And I don't

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want to. We I feel like we never had like it

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was always like moms that were subs for us. Now,

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at my school, I think there are particular subs

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that only choose particular classes or subjects.

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So I see a lot of the same two subs and both

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of those women are. Like 60s. In their 60s. That's

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OK. Yeah. I do have a new girl that's taking

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over my birthday days and I don't know a thing

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about her. I've never heard of her, but she might

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be old as dirt as far as I know, considering

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I guess we'll find out record. Yeah. Yeah. So

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that's the only thing that's going to be pretty

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annoying about the next two days is I have to

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make sure that I get those sub plans done. But

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my. department trusts me with my sub plans they

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every single time I have a sub they're like your

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sub binder is so organized and so beautiful and

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I'm like I know well you've always been a very

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thorough and organized person I've never known

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you to like not be that person so yeah that's

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okay it's i always get compliments on my sub

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plans in my sub binder and i always get compliments

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on my canvas course because everything's so well

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organized and by the day and that's amazing yeah

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and i always tell people i really only do it

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for my brain because my brain needs all of that

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um i need to make sure that everything all the

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t's are crossed and eyes are dotted So and then

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if it benefits everybody else, then that's just

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a bonus. So it's really only for me. I'm actually

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a pretty selfish person. That's OK. I think so,

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too. I'm glad you had a good week. Thank you.

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The only thing was that I had to. I a few weeks

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ago, I emailed a mom. I email all of the parents

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of kids who have an F in my class on Fridays.

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Being like, hey, just want to let you know that

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your kid has an F in my class. If you want to

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know why, you can check his or her grades. Otherwise,

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if you have any specific questions or concerns,

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please message me and let me know. And for the

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first time, now this kid has literally like a

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7 % in my class, right? How do you do that? I'm

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telling you right now, it is not turning in a

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single assignment and getting like a 2 out of

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20 on quizzes. every so often, not a single assignment.

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And now keep that in mind, because then for the

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first time this school year, mind you, I've emailed

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his mom every single week of the school year.

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She messages me for the first time and she's

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like, thanks so much for letting me know. I have

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talked to him about his missing assignments and

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I'm making sure that he keeps track of them.

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Thank you so much. And I'm like. I don't know

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who's lying to who. I don't know if you're lying

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to your son. I don't know if you're lying to

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me or if your son's lying to you. She's lying

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to herself. Or if you're lying to yourself. Yes.

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Because your son has literally not turned in

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a single assignment this quarter, not a single

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assignment. And at that point, there was 10,

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10 classwork assignments and maybe one or two

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quizzes. So I was like. thanks so much for responding.

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I love the support and the help. I just wanted

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to give you some specifics. And I told her all

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that. And then I was like, I'll make sure that

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now we have something called win periods now,

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which is basically what I do with them is it's

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25 minutes where I'm pulling those kids that

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have F's in my class. And I'm like, get to work.

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get to work now. And then I talk to each one

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individually and show them their grade and tell

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them what to do to fix it. And I give them a

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place, whatever. He's always been in my win period,

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obviously. And so I told her he's in my win period.

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So I'm just going to, I'm just going to start

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keeping you updated on what he does and doesn't

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do. And I probably message her like two or three

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times a week being like, Yeah. So, so far I've

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told him to do this. He's not doing it. I've

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told him to do that. He's not doing it. I've

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reminded him about this. He's not doing it. Can

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I just be so for real with you? My, you know,

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that dear listener, you know, I don't know if

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you do know this, but you know that Granny and

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Papaw like raised me for the most part. I can

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definitively tell you that if Papaw ever would

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have gotten an email. From any teacher at Triton

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Central saying, hey, Travis is failing this class.

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I'm just letting you know. I just wanted to keep

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you in the loop. I he would have gone to the

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school with me and he would have sat in the class

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with me. I believe it. And I do. I am telling

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you right now, if there would have been follow

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up emails, I don't know that I would have made

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it out alive. Literally. I know. I'm just I'm

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just telling you. And like we had knocked down

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drag out fights over like a C in Mr. Bridgewater's

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class. Like I I can't imagine what a seven percent.

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I don't know that I would have lived through

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the night. And it's so hard to imagine because

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I think that what's good about us is we're very.

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Like we want to do good. We want to do good and

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we want to do well. Sure. And so I mean, have

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you ever failed a class before? Like F failed?

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Because I haven't. No, no. Right. No. And I think

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that's a mix of you probably wouldn't want to

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fail. And you also know that there would be major

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consequences if you did. Right. And I think that

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we're also pretty ambitious for the most part.

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Like we. We want we know that our actions have

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consequences and we know that the good things

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we do lead to good things in the future, whatever,

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whatever. Well, there's a level of accountability

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there. Exactly. That I think. was either forced

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on us or like we just like inherently had i don't

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know that i care either way but like exactly

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i i think that either way it's made us better

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people sure and it's made us be very um very

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self -aware of what we want to accomplish and

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what we need to do in order to accomplish that

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and i think that those are great qualities any

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normal person would be like great and there is

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such a lack of that a lack so severe and so dark

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and foul that it makes this job almost impossible.

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It's like, I don't know how to work with you

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if you fear nothing. And if you care about nothing,

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like I'm not that way. And I, and I hate being

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that like back in my day, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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But back in my day, I just simply cared. Like

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you said, either because I was forced to, or

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because that wasn't. a trait of mine that like,

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I don't think I should fail. I don't think that

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I don't think that an F in English is the right

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thing to do. No, it's it's that. And then it's

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also like. I don't like I've never understood

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this, this notion of like. I like I get like

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everyone's forced to go to school, right? Like

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for for kindergarten through senior year of high

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school, you're forced to go to school. You don't

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have a way around that unless you drop out, I

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guess. In my mind, though, I guess I don't really

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understand the idea that you're going to show

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up and you're going to do this every single day

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and like you're going to get nothing out of it.

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Like like what? Like, I guess I just I've never

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gotten that. Like what a waste of time you're

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making it if you are not at least listening to

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what's happening. Because I told you this earlier,

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it's nearly impossible to fail my class. If you

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turn in any work, you're going to get points.

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The only way that you ever get a zero in my class

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is if you do not turn things in. And so for this

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kid to have a 7%, mind you, that's his semester

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grade. quarter one was and what quarter two is

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so far, that 7 % is those is the average of those

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two. So, I mean, he probably had like a 5 % in

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quarter one and whatever it is for, I don't know.

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I don't know math, but like he so severely doesn't

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care. And I did recently get a message back from

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that mom this week being like, thank you for

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letting me know. I've been talking to him about

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it. I've taken away his friends and his video

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games to see if that does anything. And so far,

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no luck. So it's like you don't care about school

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and you don't even care about consequences such

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as like the things that you love and the things

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you enjoy. Like, is nothing going to change you?

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And then what are you going to do outside of

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high school? Like, are you going to have a job?

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Are you? going to go to college are you like

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he has i don't think college is in the cards

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of course seven percent well what's funny about

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this is at the beginning of this quarter i had

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them do an american dream presentation where

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like the book has to do with you know the 1930s

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it was the great depression and before that was

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the whole idea and concept of the american dream

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i asked them to do a four slide, one of them

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being a title slide. So basically a three slide

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presentation on what is your American dream?

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Any aspect of it? What home do you want? Do you

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want a family? Do you want kids? Do you want

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dogs? What kind of hobbies do you want? What

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kind of cars do you want? All those things. If

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you could achieve anything you dreamed of, what

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would it be? Slide one. Slide two is what would

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be your hypothetical plan to achieve that dream?

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If in this world, 2025, if that was possible,

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i .e. it's absolutely not. And then slide three

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would be what are some potential obstacles in

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your way? So. easiest thing in the entire world.

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You don't need any internet for it. It's all

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opinion based, basically. And he still won't

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do that. So me asking this question, like, what

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are you ambitious about? I don't even know. I

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don't know what this kid wants. I don't know

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what he dreams. I don't know what kind of job

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he wants in the future. I don't know if he wants

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to go to college. And it's funny because I asked

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him those things through this incredibly easy

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presentation and he won't do that. So I can't

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even tell you like. What does this kid want?

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Have you ever asked him directly? Like, just

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like, hey, like, what's good? What do you what

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are you doing? Absolutely. What's the answer?

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He shrugs. He doesn't talk. He I've heard him

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say words before a few, but he is so just like

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I think it's a mix of. He's completely disconnected,

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and so he just doesn't need to talk to people

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or teachers or anything. But like I've asked

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him, I said. this assignment is now four and

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a half weeks past its due date and I've asked

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you to do it for the past three weeks in when

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period and you haven't done it so like is there

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a reason and he shrugs and I'm like okay do you

00:24:07.130 --> 00:24:10.890
just feel like not motivated to do to do this

00:24:10.890 --> 00:24:13.789
particular assignment or like just not motivated

00:24:13.789 --> 00:24:15.930
for school in general like what's what's the

00:24:15.930 --> 00:24:20.410
deal shrug and at that point I'm like OK, go

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away. I can't. I need something. I can't help

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you more than you're helping yourself. And that's

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sometimes where I become. Well, that's the hard

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part is like with anything you you genuinely

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can. I mean, it's it's with addiction. It's with

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like this education system. It's with any of

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it. You cannot help someone more than they want

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to help themselves. Absolutely. And that's hard.

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And it's very hard when you're a teacher because

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you internalize it in different ways. Like. I

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want to make sure that all of my students succeed

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at some capacity, even if that means like they

00:24:55.109 --> 00:24:57.490
get a D and that's the best they can do. I want

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them to have that, but I also want them to earn

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that. And I'm not going to spoon feed them every

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step of the way. And I'm not going to bend over

00:25:07.309 --> 00:25:09.730
backwards if they're not willing to make any

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commitments to better themselves in that way.

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And so sometimes over the years, there have just

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been kids where. I can't get through to them.

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I never will. And some of them have even told

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me like, you should just stop trying so hard.

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That happened to me last year. I had a kid that

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was again, like failing, failing, failing, failing,

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failing. And every single week I'd be like, okay,

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all I need from you this week is this assignment.

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Turn it in. I'm begging you. I would do anything

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possible. And one day he was like, you know,

00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:44.200
you don't have to try this hard. Right. And I

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was like, what do you mean? He's like, I'm going

00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:50.980
to be really real with you. I truly don't care

00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:54.480
about this class and it's not you and it's not

00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.319
this class. I just don't care in general. I'm

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not going to do the work that you asked me to

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do. I'm OK with you giving me zeros and I'll

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sit and I'll listen and I won't be on my phone.

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But you can stop trying. How sad is that? I feel

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so conflicted about that because on some level,

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like I think if I was in your position, that's

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like if that's kind of the position I'm in, you

00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:23.240
don't have to hide your drink. I don't want them

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to hear me slur. They're not going to hear it.

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It's fine. On some level, I think if I was in

00:26:29.579 --> 00:26:32.359
your position, I think that's the answer I would

00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.299
want to hear. I'm like, OK, there's nothing I

00:26:34.299 --> 00:26:37.740
can do. But at that point, I think it's like,

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OK. What do I have to do to change that answer?

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And like, I don't know that there is an answer

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to that question. So that's hard. Because at

00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.559
that point, I think that all I did was I went

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ahead and contacted mom and I was like, hey,

00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:56.339
this kid's not in trouble at all. But I do want

00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:58.880
you to know where his head is at in case you've

00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.759
seen this, because that also just sounds it almost

00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.819
sounds like a cry for help. I mean, yeah, how

00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:09.289
how sad it is to just like. I don't care stop

00:27:09.289 --> 00:27:11.990
caring stop trying to help me stop trying to

00:27:11.990 --> 00:27:14.769
fix me it seems like some sort of cry for help

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so I did reach out to mom and be like this kid

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is not in trouble in any way shape or form I'm

00:27:20.089 --> 00:27:23.009
happy that he was open and honest with me but

00:27:23.009 --> 00:27:25.650
this is what he said today and I just wanted

00:27:25.650 --> 00:27:29.269
it to be on your radar and apparently I mean

00:27:29.269 --> 00:27:32.789
he had some other stuff going on he I mean he

00:27:32.789 --> 00:27:34.690
was failing all of his classes basically and

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there was some crazy things going on like not

00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.759
in his home life but like with his friends and

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like a significant other like kids go through

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things uh crazy things i think that we don't

00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.720
give kids enough credit for that but yeah for

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sure at the same time like i think on some level

00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.079
you i mean not you i thought parents and like

00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.259
a society in general like we have to figure out

00:27:57.259 --> 00:27:59.240
a way to like how to like shield kids from that

00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:04.200
because like it growing up is hard like and i

00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.319
i think that's something that we don't like actually

00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.839
think about enough like i mean like you and me

00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.900
like like when we had for like all intents and

00:28:13.900 --> 00:28:17.819
purposes like incredible lives growing up we

00:28:17.819 --> 00:28:22.299
had incredible people yeah but Our lives were

00:28:22.299 --> 00:28:24.779
like on some level still kind of nightmares in

00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:27.559
a lot of ways. Like the divorce, we had like

00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.259
addiction issues in the family. We had like so

00:28:30.259 --> 00:28:32.200
many other things that were like extenuating

00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.680
circumstances. And I don't think that people

00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.019
give that enough credit sometimes. Absolutely.

00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.059
And I think that we deserve a lot of credit from

00:28:40.059 --> 00:28:44.559
that as well, that we had really powered through

00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:47.960
that despite all of the things and all of the

00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.849
adversities. all the terrible things that were

00:28:50.849 --> 00:28:53.730
happening on the sidelines where we're still

00:28:53.730 --> 00:28:58.650
very successful and well -rounded people. I don't

00:28:58.650 --> 00:29:00.650
mean to toot my horn and I don't mean to toot

00:29:00.650 --> 00:29:03.710
yours, but here we are. Toot, toot. The boot's

00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:06.910
down. You know what I mean? So that's great.

00:29:07.069 --> 00:29:12.190
And what sucks is I see a lot of my kids going

00:29:12.190 --> 00:29:16.720
through a lot of things. I have very much a lot

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.119
of faith that they're going to power through

00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.299
it and come out successful on the other side.

00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.859
And then I see kids that I'm like, this is going

00:29:24.859 --> 00:29:29.700
to eat you alive. And what also sucks is I'm

00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:32.279
now at the point in my career where I mean, this

00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.200
happens at any point, literally, like it happened

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.660
my first year of teaching. But like kids are

00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:44.839
dying. Kids are missing. Kids have cancer. Kids

00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.460
have all kinds of things. I Jesus Christ. It's

00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:53.000
when my first year of teaching, I also coached

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.220
cheerleading. One of my cheerleaders died and

00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:58.779
it was the most devastating. I was like, this

00:29:58.779 --> 00:30:02.460
is the this is the lowest I will ever be in this

00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:05.039
career. It was the most devastating thing that

00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.859
had ever happened to me at that point. I have

00:30:08.859 --> 00:30:12.039
a girl right now who's very sweet, very quiet,

00:30:12.099 --> 00:30:15.200
very so incredibly smart. She has a cyst on her

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.799
brain and she has to get surgery for that. Like,

00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.819
I think during Thanksgiving break, if I'm not

00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:25.440
mistaken. And I'm told she's now having seizures

00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.319
and eye problems because of it. And I'm like,

00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.599
oh, my. And then a boy's kid, a boy's kid, a

00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:35.319
boy's dad just died. like 15 years old and you

00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.559
don't have your dad anymore. Like it's all so

00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.339
devastating. Yeah. And that's an interesting

00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:44.259
thing about being a teacher is I think that at

00:30:44.259 --> 00:30:46.200
some level, if you're a teacher, you have some

00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.720
form of empathy or some level of it. Oh, you

00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:53.160
have to. Yeah. And it's incredibly difficult

00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.299
to see the things that kids go through these

00:30:55.299 --> 00:30:58.859
days, or at least people in general that I've,

00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:01.299
I've been very privileged to not experience.

00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:06.109
And To imagine being in their shoes and going

00:31:06.109 --> 00:31:08.430
through what they're going through. It's devastating.

00:31:08.750 --> 00:31:11.509
Well, you've also always been the person you

00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:13.569
like. You've always had very big feelings. And

00:31:13.569 --> 00:31:16.730
like you more than anyone I know have like you

00:31:16.730 --> 00:31:18.630
take on other people's feelings. Like Emma's

00:31:18.630 --> 00:31:22.910
the same way. Like she feels like other people's

00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:26.809
pain on a level that like I either like disassociate

00:31:26.809 --> 00:31:28.609
from or like I just don't feel because I'm like,

00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:32.859
I know. Well, I think that's very healthy at

00:31:32.859 --> 00:31:38.240
a general level to not take that on. But it's

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.460
I always say it's a gift and a curse to, you

00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:44.180
know, have empathy and to be as empathetic as

00:31:44.180 --> 00:31:46.640
like what you're talking about with Emma and

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:50.259
with me, where like we we feel for a person so

00:31:50.259 --> 00:31:54.299
severely that it physically hurts. It it it drains

00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:57.809
the life out of you. Especially my first couple

00:31:57.809 --> 00:32:01.369
of years of teaching. It was so hard. Like I'm

00:32:01.369 --> 00:32:03.690
being a first year and second year teacher is

00:32:03.690 --> 00:32:06.809
hard enough. But then on top of I'm really internalizing

00:32:06.809 --> 00:32:11.170
everything that's coming my way. And it was just

00:32:11.170 --> 00:32:13.589
constant crying, constant crying. And I'm a little

00:32:13.589 --> 00:32:16.529
better about that now. But something like this

00:32:16.529 --> 00:32:20.650
happens, like someone's dad dying or, you know,

00:32:20.650 --> 00:32:23.910
kids get cancer all the time. My sister Bailey

00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:28.200
had. a student at her school a few years ago

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.380
that had cancer and died and just the you know

00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:33.059
in elementary school especially it's it's like

00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:37.059
a community yeah and like those kids when you're

00:32:37.059 --> 00:32:38.819
a kid you just kind of hang out with anybody

00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:43.200
and you just know everybody and the school was

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.759
absolutely devastated well like first of all

00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:49.720
like you don't really have a concept of death

00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.539
right like I remember when you were too young

00:32:53.539 --> 00:32:56.140
to remember this but when grandma joe died i

00:32:56.140 --> 00:33:02.299
like i remember because papa and huck were the

00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:04.460
ones that like went and found her like that was

00:33:04.460 --> 00:33:06.079
that's a whole that's a whole different story

00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.099
i'll tell you that one day wow but yeah like

00:33:08.099 --> 00:33:12.539
so they went to her house they knew she was dead

00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:14.599
and then like this was before i was in third

00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.920
grade so i don't think that we had cell phones

00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:24.640
yet and um i remember them pulling into the driveway

00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.700
and like I just remember like like because it

00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:33.980
was Denise's grandma and I remember like just

00:33:33.980 --> 00:33:36.680
the entire world shattering for her and I like

00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.940
I could not conceptualize what was happening

00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:40.720
because like we had never been exposed to death

00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.619
like we never knew that and then even like when

00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:45.079
Roy died like because you remember Roy's funeral

00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.920
like it was like I mean vicky throwing herself

00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.099
like on the ground like the whole song and dance

00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:57.079
of it like rt who i mean he was like 19 years

00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.819
old at the time like getting up and like having

00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:04.180
to to talk about it and like like like at 16

00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:06.339
i was like okay like i i knew what death was

00:34:06.339 --> 00:34:09.000
but like we'd never really experienced death

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.719
and so like for a kid to like see like one of

00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.440
their friends that's just not there anymore like

00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.079
Where do you put that? What do you do with that?

00:34:17.099 --> 00:34:20.539
I don't know. It's absolutely insane. I do also

00:34:20.539 --> 00:34:24.340
talk about all the time how privileged and how

00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:27.659
blessed we are that we still have our granny

00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:32.079
and papa. Yeah. The world is going to end when

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.320
one of them or both of them are gone. Emma and

00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:38.400
I have talked a lot about that. We're like. Like,

00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.199
I think it will fundamentally like change, like

00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.699
the foundation of who we are as people, because

00:34:43.699 --> 00:34:47.289
like. I don't know what to do with that. Like

00:34:47.289 --> 00:34:53.949
I like even. Like I like because I mean, for

00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:56.190
me, like they were my parents, like I like that's

00:34:56.190 --> 00:34:58.329
just like that's just what that is. Yeah. So

00:34:58.329 --> 00:35:00.849
I don't know. I don't know. And hopefully we

00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:02.710
don't have to know for a while longer. Hopefully.

00:35:03.130 --> 00:35:07.170
Hopefully. This week at school was good. I'm

00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:08.750
glad it was a good week for you. My week was

00:35:08.750 --> 00:35:12.309
trash. What happened? I was sick as a dog this

00:35:12.309 --> 00:35:15.969
week. No way. I woke up on Sunday. And I felt

00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:20.429
like I had been run over by a train. I like and

00:35:20.429 --> 00:35:23.610
do you remember the beginning of covid where

00:35:23.610 --> 00:35:26.489
like there was some bug going around and like

00:35:26.489 --> 00:35:28.630
everyone was like, oh, this is like the flu is

00:35:28.630 --> 00:35:30.809
bad this year, like that whole song and dance

00:35:30.809 --> 00:35:32.829
that people were doing. And then like we hear

00:35:32.829 --> 00:35:36.050
about the novel coronavirus coming out of out

00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:40.909
of Wuhan, China or whatever it was. And I'm like,

00:35:40.929 --> 00:35:45.880
I. It's giving very much like pre -COVID vibes.

00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:49.780
Oh no. Because like I talked to like six or seven

00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:51.480
people that had the exact same thing. But like

00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.880
I, it was bad. Like I got to the point on like

00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.820
Tuesday or Wednesday night where I was like laying

00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:59.159
in the bed and I was like, I think I might need

00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.300
to go to the ER. Like I could not breathe. Like

00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:05.059
it was bad. Oh my God. And like I took a COVID

00:36:05.059 --> 00:36:06.760
test. It wasn't COVID. Like it wasn't anything.

00:36:06.820 --> 00:36:10.039
And then like I had the. like a virtual appointment

00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.679
with my doctor. And she was like, yeah, this

00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:14.679
is like a, it's like an upper respiratory thing

00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.739
going around. It's really, really, really rough.

00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.340
And I still have like, I'm still like signed

00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:22.000
to see or whatever, but I'm fine now. But like,

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.579
yeah, it was a trash week. Oh, what a nightmare.

00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:26.980
Yeah. I've been kind of waiting for something

00:36:26.980 --> 00:36:29.719
like that to happen to me because every single

00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.780
year that I've been a teacher, I've gotten COVID.

00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.440
Mind you, I've had all my shots, whatever, whatever.

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.599
And thankfully. Every time I've gotten COVID

00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.440
because I've had the shots, it's not as bad,

00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:42.579
but I've had it and I've had to quarantine every

00:36:42.579 --> 00:36:45.920
single year. But this year I haven't. And I'm

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.500
waiting for the ball to drop. I'm expecting it.

00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.079
I'm kind of cut this because it sounds bad. I'm

00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.360
kind of looking forward to it because I love

00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.199
not going to work and I love just quarantining

00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.340
at home. I have a question. Yeah. If you had

00:37:01.340 --> 00:37:06.909
to redo. Like the shutdown, like all of it all

00:37:06.909 --> 00:37:10.469
over again. Like if we had what we were told

00:37:10.469 --> 00:37:12.110
was going to be two weeks, it ended up being

00:37:12.110 --> 00:37:16.809
like a year. What would you do differently? This

00:37:16.809 --> 00:37:18.389
is like a fun question I do like to ask people.

00:37:18.449 --> 00:37:22.289
Like, would you would you like, I guess, do anything

00:37:22.289 --> 00:37:28.630
differently? Here's I honestly had a had a really

00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:33.630
OK time in quarantine and I. You know, I did

00:37:33.630 --> 00:37:35.869
what everybody else did. You know, I stayed home

00:37:35.869 --> 00:37:40.250
and I I was on TikTok. TikTok was like very,

00:37:40.349 --> 00:37:42.650
very new at that time. And everybody was making

00:37:42.650 --> 00:37:48.610
the the frothed coffee and was, you know, doing

00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:51.409
all the lip syncing and the dancing and stuff.

00:37:51.510 --> 00:37:54.710
And I really enjoyed doing silly things like

00:37:54.710 --> 00:38:00.289
that. I actually have a lot of really good memories

00:38:00.289 --> 00:38:04.079
of that time. I'm very. blessed that nobody around

00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.340
me was terribly affected by COVID or anything

00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:10.239
like that but there were like my sister Bailey

00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.460
and I we were still technically in college I

00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:14.960
when COVID happened I was in the middle of my

00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:20.539
student teaching and so I was still when COVID

00:38:20.539 --> 00:38:23.500
right when COVID started I was taking over the

00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:26.989
Canvas courses and the Canvas pages and Taking

00:38:26.989 --> 00:38:28.650
over the lessons, I was actually supposed to

00:38:28.650 --> 00:38:31.230
completely take the reins of the classes that

00:38:31.230 --> 00:38:33.630
I was student teaching in. And I was supposed

00:38:33.630 --> 00:38:36.809
to be like the teacher. And so I did that for

00:38:36.809 --> 00:38:39.949
a couple of weeks. And during those couple of

00:38:39.949 --> 00:38:44.510
weeks, my sister and I, we would drive to the

00:38:44.510 --> 00:38:47.949
parking lot of a Starbucks in Whitestown. And

00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:50.610
we would just sit in the car at that. In the

00:38:50.610 --> 00:38:53.510
Starbucks parking lot and take the Wi -Fi and

00:38:53.510 --> 00:38:55.809
just do work together in the car. I love that.

00:38:55.909 --> 00:38:58.389
It was beautiful. Honestly, it was really fun

00:38:58.389 --> 00:39:04.949
because I'm also a very independent and very

00:39:04.949 --> 00:39:07.269
introverted person. We talked about this a little

00:39:07.269 --> 00:39:11.590
bit last episode. And so I really enjoyed not

00:39:11.590 --> 00:39:17.369
having to be so around so much around people.

00:39:19.130 --> 00:39:22.010
I'm actually really OK being alone and I'm really

00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:25.210
comfortable in being alone. And even when I was

00:39:25.210 --> 00:39:28.349
just with Bailey or just with my family, I really

00:39:28.349 --> 00:39:31.550
enjoyed that, honestly. And I think that it was

00:39:31.550 --> 00:39:34.969
a rest that as a really stressed out 22 year

00:39:34.969 --> 00:39:38.909
old college student, I needed that. But of course,

00:39:38.909 --> 00:39:41.650
that's also kind of a crazy thing to say, because

00:39:41.650 --> 00:39:43.690
so many people were dying and so many people

00:39:43.690 --> 00:39:46.449
were having a horrible time. And there's also

00:39:46.449 --> 00:39:51.659
even if we. look past the atrocities of COVID

00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:54.119
itself during that time there were lots of people

00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.380
that are very much extroverted and very much

00:39:56.380 --> 00:40:01.920
social beings that were desperate for connection

00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:05.420
at that time and I did feel for that at some

00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:09.739
level of course I didn't agree just based on

00:40:09.739 --> 00:40:12.159
my own experiences but I felt so bad for people

00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:13.980
that wanted something so bad and couldn't have

00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:20.179
it do you remember My birthday in 2020? No. You

00:40:20.179 --> 00:40:22.639
don't remember this? No, tell me about it. Where

00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.400
you and Paley brought Olive Garden to my apartment

00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.039
at Solana because I was that person that, like,

00:40:31.219 --> 00:40:33.739
I think I called you in the middle of the night

00:40:33.739 --> 00:40:36.300
one night and I was like... i'm going to kill

00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:40.099
myself like i cannot handle being alone i cannot

00:40:40.099 --> 00:40:42.940
handle any of this because like it was it was

00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:44.480
two weeks to stop the spread like that's what

00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.239
we were told the whole time and i was like i'm

00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.179
like i can do two weeks like whatever like we

00:40:50.179 --> 00:40:53.000
we all went home from work like it was like we

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.309
were sent home and like i remember like And the

00:40:56.309 --> 00:40:58.469
like, I remember like it was yesterday, like

00:40:58.469 --> 00:41:00.309
we like because it was like we have to figure

00:41:00.309 --> 00:41:01.750
out how to work from home. So like they sent

00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:03.929
us home with like these Wi -Fi boxes that like

00:41:03.929 --> 00:41:07.170
connected to like our works network, but like

00:41:07.170 --> 00:41:09.349
didn't like it. It was a whole song and dance.

00:41:09.389 --> 00:41:10.670
But I remember like walking out of there with

00:41:10.670 --> 00:41:13.809
my monitors and I was like, wow, this is a lot

00:41:13.809 --> 00:41:16.710
for just two weeks. And I remember thinking that.

00:41:16.909 --> 00:41:19.409
And then I remember going to my apartment at

00:41:19.409 --> 00:41:24.610
Solana and I was like, OK, here we go. Two weeks.

00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:27.250
Two weeks. And then I remember calling you and

00:41:27.250 --> 00:41:29.389
I was like, it's been a little more than two

00:41:29.389 --> 00:41:33.110
weeks, Josh. I don't know. And then my birthday

00:41:33.110 --> 00:41:35.670
rolls around. And yeah, you and Bailey had to

00:41:35.670 --> 00:41:37.750
bring me Olive Garden because like I was on the

00:41:37.750 --> 00:41:41.050
verge of literally throwing myself off a balcony.

00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:44.389
See, that's so tough. Do you not remember that?

00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:47.469
Well, mind you, that was also the time in which

00:41:47.469 --> 00:41:53.800
I was starting. Now, I. I don't have a thyroid

00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.920
anymore. And it was because it literally started

00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:01.659
like erasing my memory. Like my thyroid doctor

00:42:01.659 --> 00:42:04.699
told me I was in the early stages of like early

00:42:04.699 --> 00:42:08.099
onset dementia. So there are a lot of times between

00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:14.260
2017 to 2022. I actually don't remember. Oh,

00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:16.159
there's a lot of things that I don't remember

00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.340
during those times. I forgot so many things and

00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:23.719
it cost me so much money. I mean, we shouldn't

00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.440
even talk about the fact that I forgot about

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:28.760
oil changes. I do remember you forgetting about

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.639
an oil change. Dear listener, I forgot that oil

00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.460
changes were a thing. I don't even I don't even

00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:38.639
know how long I drove my car without an oil change.

00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.960
It's like three years. Probably. Yeah. And then

00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.320
I remember Huck opening it up and be like, huh,

00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.809
there's nothing in here. Yeah. I had to get that

00:42:49.809 --> 00:42:52.449
thing out of my body for sure. It was rotting

00:42:52.449 --> 00:42:54.230
me from the inside out. So there's a lot of things

00:42:54.230 --> 00:42:56.030
I actually don't remember. Well, now we know.

00:42:56.130 --> 00:42:59.449
Isn't that kind of silly? Yeah. So, yeah, I'm

00:42:59.449 --> 00:43:00.829
glad that we did that. That seems like a nice

00:43:00.829 --> 00:43:03.869
thing to do. It was a nice thing to do. Thank

00:43:03.869 --> 00:43:08.010
God. Cool. So in order to prepare for today's

00:43:08.010 --> 00:43:11.570
reality roundup, you watched the first half of

00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:13.170
season one of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake

00:43:13.170 --> 00:43:19.019
City. Oh, yeah. And that for me. Is a gift I

00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:21.460
wish I could give myself because this is your

00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:23.219
first this is the first time you've really watched

00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:25.559
The Real Housewives in general. It's my first

00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.940
dive into any Real Housewives ever. Yes. So my

00:43:28.940 --> 00:43:31.539
first time I think about that and like I think

00:43:31.539 --> 00:43:35.860
to myself. So Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:39.980
was announced, I think, 2019 or 2020. I think

00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:42.239
that, yeah, they wrapped filming right before

00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.360
the shutdown. So, OK, 2020, 2021 is when it was

00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.659
premiering. And I remember thinking to myself,

00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:51.019
I thought the same thing about Salt Lake City

00:43:51.019 --> 00:43:53.099
that I thought about Potomac before it premiered,

00:43:53.099 --> 00:43:55.300
where I was like, get this off of my TV. I don't

00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:57.380
want these like what I thought were mid -tier

00:43:57.380 --> 00:43:58.940
cities. Because when you think of Real Housewives,

00:43:59.019 --> 00:44:02.159
you think of like Miami, Orange County, New York,

00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:10.039
Beverly Hills. And I was like, I cannot believe

00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.519
how wrong I was, because I remember it was we

00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.179
were in the middle of covid and I had nothing

00:44:14.179 --> 00:44:16.519
else to do. So I was like, well, let me let me

00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.380
just fire up the real house. I was a Salt Lake

00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:22.139
City. Yeah. And oh, Lord, have mercy. Am I glad

00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:25.420
that I did that? Because I like I loved it so

00:44:25.420 --> 00:44:28.059
much. Tell me about what your experience has

00:44:28.059 --> 00:44:31.079
been watching the first nine episodes of season

00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.139
one. Yes, of course. And first of all, thank

00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:38.639
you for it. You said it best, the gift that it

00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:42.280
is to not just start this like Real Housewives

00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.480
journey, but to start it with Salt Lake City.

00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.199
I already love the now going into it very late,

00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.940
like five years late is really good for me because

00:44:51.940 --> 00:44:53.719
I'm already obsessed with the secret lives of

00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:58.800
Mormon wives. And so the idea of like Utah, Mormon,

00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:03.960
all this stuff I'm I'm familiar with. I. I enjoy

00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.219
having some sense of familiarity when it comes

00:45:07.219 --> 00:45:09.719
to jumping into new things like this. So I had

00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.119
that. You had me sold. And then so let me give

00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.460
you a rundown of the things that I've learned

00:45:16.460 --> 00:45:19.619
and the things that I've been enjoying. You've

00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:22.860
mentioned the name, the first and last name of

00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:27.099
Jen Shaw before. Yes. So when I heard that this

00:45:27.099 --> 00:45:32.760
is Jen, the Jen Shaw, I was like. it's baby's

00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.820
first time with Jen Sean. I'm so excited. I was

00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:36.159
like, let me just sit in this moment. Let me

00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.679
hold space for it. It was so exciting. And then

00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.880
I also remember the name Meredith Marks. I don't

00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.960
know if it was like from the episodes you and

00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:45.599
Emma had done or whatever, but I was like, I

00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.780
recognize that name as well. So I had taken very

00:45:50.780 --> 00:45:54.099
extensive notes of the first three episodes because

00:45:54.099 --> 00:45:55.820
I just wanted to make sure that I got all my

00:45:55.820 --> 00:45:58.559
bearings, that I knew who everyone was, who everyone

00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.559
was connected to, who's friends with who, who's

00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.570
not friends with who. Um, I am almost so thankful

00:46:06.570 --> 00:46:10.389
and so blessed to have experienced some piece

00:46:10.389 --> 00:46:15.690
of the Jen and Mary saga. Every single episode,

00:46:16.030 --> 00:46:17.949
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight

00:46:17.949 --> 00:46:20.829
and nine. It is always mentioned. And I honestly

00:46:20.829 --> 00:46:23.230
think it's really funny. I thought that it was

00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:25.630
the funniest. Now, I remember you and Emma doing

00:46:25.630 --> 00:46:30.079
this episode talking about how. Jen had come

00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.139
from the hospital because her aunt had her legs

00:46:32.139 --> 00:46:34.239
amputated. And then Mary said that it smelled

00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.880
like hospital. And first of all, I think that's

00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.239
so funny. I think that's the funniest thing in

00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.280
the whole world. And I thought that it was even

00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.199
funnier when Jen had confronted her about it.

00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.260
And Mary was like, I did say that. And what?

00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:55.980
Like, what do we do now? A gift. And so very

00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:59.949
early on, I. started making notes of like, OK,

00:47:00.050 --> 00:47:04.389
who do I love and why? And where is this going

00:47:04.389 --> 00:47:08.409
to go? And my list of who I love and who I hate

00:47:08.409 --> 00:47:12.489
has changed every episode. It will change every

00:47:12.489 --> 00:47:15.230
episode. It will change every season. Yeah, it's

00:47:15.230 --> 00:47:19.050
wild. I'm really excited to see where that takes

00:47:19.050 --> 00:47:21.789
me. But, you know, it hasn't changed through

00:47:21.789 --> 00:47:25.210
episodes one through nine. Tell me. I love Whitney.

00:47:26.110 --> 00:47:31.170
I love that girl. She's she's my girl. I love

00:47:31.170 --> 00:47:34.469
her. And I remember you asking Emma and Emma

00:47:34.469 --> 00:47:36.170
asking you if you could be friends with anybody

00:47:36.170 --> 00:47:39.409
in this season, who would it be? I hope and pray

00:47:39.409 --> 00:47:42.250
that I could be friends with Whitney. I think

00:47:42.250 --> 00:47:44.929
she's so funny. I think she's so cool. I think

00:47:44.929 --> 00:47:50.150
she's so gorgeous. And I think that she's also

00:47:50.150 --> 00:47:53.550
beyond what we saw in episode nine. The most.

00:47:54.110 --> 00:47:57.389
level -headed and well -rounded and i think that's

00:47:57.389 --> 00:48:00.190
because she's had now i know that they've all

00:48:00.190 --> 00:48:04.070
had their fair share of um like things happening

00:48:04.070 --> 00:48:06.590
in their lives and adversities and stuff but

00:48:06.590 --> 00:48:11.570
i think that whitney is so real because she has

00:48:11.570 --> 00:48:16.150
seen and has been so deeply ingrained into the

00:48:16.150 --> 00:48:18.469
process of getting through her dad's addiction

00:48:18.469 --> 00:48:22.630
and stuff like that and i feel like that probably

00:48:22.630 --> 00:48:26.579
made her Grow up very quickly, especially because

00:48:26.579 --> 00:48:30.019
she's I mean, throughout these episodes, she's,

00:48:30.019 --> 00:48:32.559
you know, insinuating that she's paid thirty

00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:37.639
thousand dollars for his rehab and that she is

00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:43.260
felt like he thinks he's entitled to that. Yes.

00:48:43.300 --> 00:48:46.599
Which is so sick to think of your daughter in

00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.119
that way. Like you owe me because I. I think

00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.139
in one of these recent episodes I watched that

00:48:51.139 --> 00:48:55.500
she had explained my dad made a list of everything.

00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.420
All the things that he had paid for growing up.

00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:01.079
Yes, like dances, sports, cars, everything. And

00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.800
I'm like, how absolutely sick and twisted is

00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.039
that? And that's what addiction does to you.

00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:12.159
It really shifts your priorities and what matters

00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.260
to you and things like that. And it's just so

00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:18.579
sad to. See her having to go through all these

00:49:18.579 --> 00:49:21.260
things, but I think that that made her a very

00:49:21.260 --> 00:49:25.119
well -rounded woman with a good head on her shoulders.

00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:29.139
Although I am so excited to talk about it. I

00:49:29.139 --> 00:49:32.239
am excited to talk about episode nine. I will

00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.739
tell you in episode nine, it will shift for you.

00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.719
And I'm going to tell you. So I will say Whitney

00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:43.300
Rose is. Of all of the Housewives of Salt Lake

00:49:43.300 --> 00:49:46.599
City, between her, Heather and Meredith Marks,

00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.780
those are really my top three that I would want

00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:50.639
to meet and be friends with. Absolutely. You

00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.219
will have a hard time with Whitney in season

00:49:52.219 --> 00:49:53.599
three. I'm just going to tell you that right

00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:58.019
now. Keep it to yourself. Well, that's actually

00:49:58.019 --> 00:50:00.119
now that I'm saying this out loud, I think you

00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.800
might not have as hard of a time as I did with

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.820
her because. Yeah. So you're I'm going to I'm

00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:08.340
just going to let you experience it on your own.

00:50:11.179 --> 00:50:13.639
The journey she goes on in season three and.

00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:19.119
Season four, part of season four. And I think

00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.079
you and I are going to view it in two very, very

00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.199
different ways. Not like, OK, not like not that

00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.420
I view as what she did negatively, but I think

00:50:26.420 --> 00:50:28.480
that I got to the point where I was like, if

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.099
I have to hear about this one more time, like

00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:33.440
I'm going to shut the TV off for sure. You, I

00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:39.079
think, will be much more open to it. OK, I can't

00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.809
wait. So before we jump into reality roundup

00:50:43.809 --> 00:50:49.989
for episode nine, I am so excited because Christmas

00:50:49.989 --> 00:50:53.769
is coming early. Miss Jennifer Shaw is being

00:50:53.769 --> 00:50:57.650
released from prison on December 10th. Merry

00:50:57.650 --> 00:51:00.030
Christmas. She is going to get to spend Christmas

00:51:00.030 --> 00:51:03.610
with Coach Shaw. I bet she misses him bad. I

00:51:03.610 --> 00:51:05.849
bet she does, too. She's been lonely. She's been

00:51:05.849 --> 00:51:08.489
lonely. Episode one through nine. Him being away

00:51:08.489 --> 00:51:11.219
recruiting. How about you being in jail, Mama?

00:51:11.380 --> 00:51:15.019
How are you doing? How about? I hope he's been

00:51:15.019 --> 00:51:17.440
visiting. How are they doing? Now, mind you,

00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:20.699
I literally don't know. So I know that he has

00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:22.659
been running her social media as far as I know.

00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:26.360
So, like, I assume that. Well, she can't run

00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:28.760
it from prison. Well, I feel like you just shouldn't

00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.960
be running it at all if you're in prison. I got

00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.719
to tell you, Jen Shaw's never been one to shy

00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:38.539
away from the spotlight. But I. I don't know.

00:51:38.539 --> 00:51:41.239
I assume they're doing fine. Like, I, I don't

00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:46.059
know. Great. I would like if she doesn't come

00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:48.139
back to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, because

00:51:48.139 --> 00:51:50.300
Andy Cohen did say, like, I don't want to see

00:51:50.300 --> 00:51:52.239
her again. I hope he changes his mind on that.

00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:55.079
But if she doesn't come back, I would really

00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.500
like to see, like, just a sit down interview

00:51:58.500 --> 00:52:04.099
with the two of them just to be like, hey, this

00:52:04.099 --> 00:52:08.280
is the story. Incredible idea. You were convicted

00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.159
of it. Let's just call it what it is. Let's just

00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.239
put it out all out on the table. And everybody

00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.219
already knows. Yeah, it's OK. No, it's not OK,

00:52:18.340 --> 00:52:21.559
but everybody already knows. So it's OK for you

00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.880
to just say what happened. Everybody wants to

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.019
know everybody. And you should hold yourself

00:52:27.019 --> 00:52:29.699
accountable because I only know as far as what

00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:33.039
you've said in previous episodes, like she stole

00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:36.320
money from old people. Or like what's. Yes. Can

00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.159
you give me like a 10 second recap? So she her

00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:46.219
companies that it was all. OK, so she it all

00:52:46.219 --> 00:52:49.340
surrounded a telemarketing scheme where she would

00:52:49.340 --> 00:52:51.260
reach out to people like her and her associates

00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:53.719
and they would sell them like a business opportunity

00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.440
and they would like get them on a subscription

00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:58.980
where it was like charging their credit card

00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:02.579
every month for whatever the business consulting

00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:06.909
services were. that had no value and said they

00:53:06.909 --> 00:53:08.670
were like selling them a website and then like

00:53:08.670 --> 00:53:12.550
it was like okay you're you're in too deep okay

00:53:12.550 --> 00:53:14.070
like how do we get you out of this so then I

00:53:14.070 --> 00:53:17.090
guess they were and I don't know that I don't

00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:18.570
know the details of how this happened but then

00:53:18.570 --> 00:53:20.869
I guess on the other side of it there was like

00:53:20.869 --> 00:53:22.409
okay well how do we get you in touch with the

00:53:22.409 --> 00:53:24.090
debt consolidation company and they were like

00:53:24.090 --> 00:53:26.170
getting kickbacks from the debt consolidation

00:53:26.170 --> 00:53:31.610
company maybe I don't know but it was just selling

00:53:31.610 --> 00:53:35.000
services of no value is what the The long and

00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.079
short of it was. Now, was the purpose of that

00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:43.019
for Jen Shaw to get more money? Mm hmm. What's

00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:44.820
now? Here's the thing that I don't understand.

00:53:45.139 --> 00:53:47.739
And maybe because I'm just not in this position,

00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:50.719
but I feel like when you are at a certain amount

00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.300
of rich, you just don't need to have more money

00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:56.719
and you don't need to want to have more money.

00:53:56.739 --> 00:53:58.179
That's where the money was coming from, though.

00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:03.340
What? All of her money? All of it? I think there

00:54:03.340 --> 00:54:06.500
were like other marketing deals or something,

00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.300
but like the majority of the money was coming

00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:13.039
in from that telemarketing scheme and then Coach

00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.400
Shaw's income. Well, I was going to say, doesn't

00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:18.340
Coach Shaw just have enough income as a as a

00:54:18.340 --> 00:54:21.199
college football coach? I think he was making

00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.599
like four hundred thousand a year. Like here's

00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:26.659
here's the thing. And this is this is what a

00:54:26.659 --> 00:54:30.960
lot of people. Will tell you about the real housewives

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:32.179
that have been caught up in this thing, like

00:54:32.179 --> 00:54:34.980
Teresa Giudice, like Tom Girardi, like these.

00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.480
These real housewives that were like at the level

00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.260
of mega, mega, mega wealth. There's a there's

00:54:45.260 --> 00:54:47.900
like a need to keep this facade going. We're

00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:51.139
like Teresa Giudice and Joe Giudice, like their

00:54:51.139 --> 00:54:53.539
whole thing became I think it was mortgage fraud

00:54:53.539 --> 00:54:56.360
is what they ended up mortgage fraud or wire

00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:02.420
fraud. One of the two. Where. It not if it was

00:55:02.420 --> 00:55:03.900
real, it was all smoke and mirrors, and then

00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:05.940
the same thing with Tom Girardi, where like it

00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:08.880
became like a Ponzi scheme, like where he was,

00:55:08.900 --> 00:55:11.780
he was the Aaron Brockovich lawyer where he was

00:55:11.780 --> 00:55:13.960
bringing in like money from class action lawsuits

00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.280
and he was paying the money from like a previous

00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.519
lawsuit with the money from the current lawsuit.

00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:23.110
And. some clients weren't getting paid out at

00:55:23.110 --> 00:55:26.269
all. So, like, the wheels start to fall off.

00:55:26.349 --> 00:55:28.489
And then, like, you look at the optics of, like,

00:55:28.530 --> 00:55:32.409
how is this going? And then it's like, you've

00:55:32.409 --> 00:55:33.809
got the same thing going on in Potomac right

00:55:33.809 --> 00:55:37.230
now where Wendy and Eddie Acefo just got arrested

00:55:37.230 --> 00:55:42.110
for insurance fraud. There's, I mean, housewives

00:55:42.110 --> 00:55:44.829
will tell you there's a need to, like, keep up

00:55:44.829 --> 00:55:46.989
a facade that's not there. But that's what happened

00:55:46.989 --> 00:55:49.429
with Jen Shah is... The money was coming in from

00:55:49.429 --> 00:55:52.090
the telemarketing scheme that there wasn't money

00:55:52.090 --> 00:55:56.070
there to begin with. Mm hmm. Yeah. Horrible.

00:55:56.469 --> 00:56:01.429
Hate that. Very crazy. I guess I just can't.

00:56:02.349 --> 00:56:06.309
I can't really wrap my mind around. And it's

00:56:06.309 --> 00:56:08.349
kind of like the whole thing with, you know,

00:56:08.369 --> 00:56:11.150
Jeff Bezos and all these terribly, terribly rich

00:56:11.150 --> 00:56:14.349
people. It's like, what do you what is the purpose

00:56:14.349 --> 00:56:20.719
of having this? amount of money and like the

00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.059
need and the drive to just constantly constantly

00:56:24.059 --> 00:56:26.199
constantly work and have more and more and more

00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:29.380
which kind of at a very much like lower level

00:56:29.380 --> 00:56:34.739
is kind of what Lisa is exuding is she is she

00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:37.639
even said like her work comes first always and

00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.139
it's like you have a husband and kids like and

00:56:40.139 --> 00:56:41.760
she doesn't want to she wants to keep having

00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:43.320
projects she wants to keep having opportunities

00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:47.880
and I feel so bad to For her that she's in that

00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.239
mindset that like that's what she needs. And

00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.480
I know that we know people like that. Our Papal

00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.659
is like that. Absolutely. But it's not about

00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:57.559
the money, I don't think. For Lisa? For Papal.

00:56:57.739 --> 00:56:59.980
Well, for Papal, probably not. But what about

00:56:59.980 --> 00:57:02.679
Lisa? I think Lisa's like our Papal. Like, I

00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:04.179
don't know that it's about the money. I think

00:57:04.179 --> 00:57:07.619
the money is probably a really good incentive.

00:57:07.900 --> 00:57:10.320
I don't think for her it's about the money, though.

00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:14.079
I think that there is a level of worth you put

00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:19.320
on. at the end of the day did i accomplish something

00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.780
i i true i like with with lisa i do see that

00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:23.420
right i i don't think it's about the money at

00:57:23.420 --> 00:57:25.519
all for lisa barlow good well you know more than

00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.460
i do so i trust that there's that um are you

00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:32.239
ready to jump into episode nine i couldn't be

00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.309
more ready okay hip -hop and heartbreak so We

00:57:36.309 --> 00:57:38.510
start with opening shots. Heather and Whitney

00:57:38.510 --> 00:57:41.329
are horseback riding. And I like that instructor.

00:57:41.670 --> 00:57:45.769
I thought he was very hot. For sure. And I'm

00:57:45.769 --> 00:57:50.309
really into. Heather and her sexual bag. Yes.

00:57:50.369 --> 00:57:53.170
I need it so desperately. I need it so desperately.

00:57:53.289 --> 00:57:56.269
I want I feel so bad for her through all these

00:57:56.269 --> 00:57:58.170
episodes of her talking about our divorce and

00:57:58.170 --> 00:58:01.349
how she really only did it for, you know, being

00:58:01.349 --> 00:58:03.690
a perfect little Mormon. And like, I mean, how

00:58:03.690 --> 00:58:06.690
could you get a more. perfect Mormon husband

00:58:06.690 --> 00:58:09.809
than this. Than Billy. Than Billy. Yeah. And

00:58:09.809 --> 00:58:13.230
I think I heard probably in this episode or the

00:58:13.230 --> 00:58:18.769
last one that she said that she just started

00:58:18.769 --> 00:58:20.869
saying no to him. It was this episode. It was

00:58:20.869 --> 00:58:22.250
this episode. I have notes about that. Yeah.

00:58:22.269 --> 00:58:24.789
So like, how sad is that? Like you start being

00:58:24.789 --> 00:58:26.449
your own person and setting boundaries and then

00:58:26.449 --> 00:58:28.829
your husband leaves you. What a nightmare. Yeah.

00:58:29.349 --> 00:58:31.530
I mean, I don't know if that's all that was happening,

00:58:31.670 --> 00:58:35.309
but I mean, I believe it. She talks about it

00:58:35.309 --> 00:58:36.949
in her book. I mean, that's basically what happened.

00:58:37.130 --> 00:58:39.750
She's got two books. Well, I have to read them

00:58:39.750 --> 00:58:42.630
because I'll also be reading Macy's soon. Oh,

00:58:42.809 --> 00:58:45.409
I can't wait to read Macy's book. I can't wait.

00:58:45.449 --> 00:58:50.230
We should read it at the same time. OK. Bad Mormon

00:58:50.230 --> 00:58:52.170
is the first book and then Good Time Girl is

00:58:52.170 --> 00:58:54.389
the second book. I've read Bad Mormon. I'm like

00:58:54.389 --> 00:58:57.829
halfway through Good Time Girl. Bad Mormon is

00:58:57.829 --> 00:59:01.980
a very good book because it like. Like as far

00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:03.900
as Housewives books are concerned, it's all about

00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:05.519
like, oh, yeah, this is my life. And they give

00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:07.280
you a little bit of like behind the scenes, like

00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:10.360
about the other women or like the show itself.

00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.860
But like, I think Heather was very. I think she

00:59:15.860 --> 00:59:17.460
was like, I really want to tell this story to

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:20.179
like help people who are struggling with like

00:59:20.179 --> 00:59:22.039
faith or whatever. So I think that was a really

00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:26.369
cool book for her. Awesome. We head over to Lisa's

00:59:26.369 --> 00:59:28.269
house and she asked Jack if he wants anything

00:59:28.269 --> 00:59:30.150
for breakfast. And Jack says, I'm not really

00:59:30.150 --> 00:59:32.269
craving a microwave hot dog right now, but thanks.

00:59:32.369 --> 00:59:35.030
I thought that was the funniest thing. So funny.

00:59:35.269 --> 00:59:38.329
That was so funny. Because like a lot of these

00:59:38.329 --> 00:59:40.230
housewives are like, oh, I never cook like I

00:59:40.230 --> 00:59:41.889
never cook. And, you know, it's like all a crock.

00:59:41.889 --> 00:59:44.869
I wholeheartedly believe what Lisa presents to

00:59:44.869 --> 00:59:46.809
us on TV where she's constantly going through

00:59:46.809 --> 00:59:50.309
a Taco Bell drive through or. Like driving to

00:59:50.309 --> 00:59:52.369
get a Diet Coke. I wholeheartedly believe that

00:59:52.369 --> 00:59:54.690
is her when the cameras are off. I believe it.

00:59:54.690 --> 00:59:58.070
So like I believe it in my bones. And that was

00:59:58.070 --> 01:00:01.849
one of the big notes that I had for episode one

01:00:01.849 --> 01:00:04.449
was like her talking about, oh, we're not the

01:00:04.449 --> 01:00:06.309
kind of family that's together at dinner. We're

01:00:06.309 --> 01:00:07.690
going through the Taco Bell drive through going

01:00:07.690 --> 01:00:09.030
through this drive through going through that

01:00:09.030 --> 01:00:11.349
drive through hitting this gas station. I thought

01:00:11.349 --> 01:00:14.769
that was so funny because that's not necessarily

01:00:14.769 --> 01:00:18.860
the facade. Or like the energy that she exudes.

01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.559
Like I had told you through texts this week that

01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:26.199
like I feel like Lisa in a lot of ways is so

01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.440
chic and so cool and so classy. And I really

01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:33.280
love the dichotomy of her giving classy chic

01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.780
boots and her going through the Taco Bell drive

01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:39.280
through and getting Diet Cokes at the gas station

01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.420
three times a day. I think that's the funniest

01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:43.929
thing in the world. I love it. And like, you're

01:00:43.929 --> 01:00:46.449
going to get to an episode, I think at the end

01:00:46.449 --> 01:00:49.969
of season two, where Mary Cosby looks at her

01:00:49.969 --> 01:00:52.769
and she goes, you eat Taco Bell. And Lisa Barlow's

01:00:52.769 --> 01:00:57.650
like, I love Taco Bell. I love it so much. She

01:00:57.650 --> 01:01:01.550
goes, love that. Love Taco Bell. Love Taco Bell.

01:01:01.590 --> 01:01:03.730
I also love Lisa Barlow's voice. Like, I know

01:01:03.730 --> 01:01:05.269
it's a little bit like controversial because

01:01:05.269 --> 01:01:07.650
some people think it's so grating. I love Lisa

01:01:07.650 --> 01:01:10.980
Barlow's voice. I think it's so. funny yeah i

01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:14.739
love it so much i love i in a lot of ways i love

01:01:14.739 --> 01:01:17.719
lisa i do too but then it like the i don't know

01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:20.139
which episode it was but i was like i hate this

01:01:20.139 --> 01:01:23.059
woman i think she's so mean and so rude was it

01:01:23.059 --> 01:01:25.619
the ski trip episode probably yeah the one where

01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:29.380
they went to the ski lodge and like she was so

01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:32.460
hateful to whitney and heather yeah i i wrote

01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:34.739
it down i did yeah yeah it was it was episode

01:01:34.739 --> 01:01:36.739
two yeah she was a nightmare in that episode

01:01:36.739 --> 01:01:39.889
i hate her for it We head over to Jen's house

01:01:39.889 --> 01:01:41.989
and Jen and her assistant are planning Sharif's

01:01:41.989 --> 01:01:44.989
surprise birthday party. You will come to find

01:01:44.989 --> 01:01:48.510
out that this assistant, I think it's season

01:01:48.510 --> 01:01:51.090
three, we find out that she's multi -talented

01:01:51.090 --> 01:01:55.829
because she's got a side gig being a twerking

01:01:55.829 --> 01:01:59.590
instructor and her name is Crystal Pussy. Incredible.

01:02:00.050 --> 01:02:03.309
She and Whitney would be good friends based on

01:02:03.309 --> 01:02:05.090
what we've seen in previous episodes. Maybe.

01:02:05.369 --> 01:02:09.500
Maybe. Everyone's invited to Sharif's party except

01:02:09.500 --> 01:02:11.940
for Mary. And then we cut over to Mary at her

01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:14.900
house and she doesn't know how many houses she

01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:16.960
owns. But we find out she has a house in Carmel.

01:02:17.260 --> 01:02:19.619
I feel like I've heard about this. I don't know

01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:22.239
if it was through like my dad's husband or something

01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:25.719
or if it was. I don't know who it was, but somebody

01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:28.719
had told me that a housewife does have a house

01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:30.699
in Carmel, Indiana. And I could not for the life

01:02:30.699 --> 01:02:32.719
of me figure out who it was. So then when I heard

01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:34.989
that, I was like, it's her. It was like five

01:02:34.989 --> 01:02:36.210
minutes from where I lived at the rail yard.

01:02:36.369 --> 01:02:39.130
Really? Yeah. And I did hear what she said is

01:02:39.130 --> 01:02:41.230
true. That is completely empty all year round.

01:02:41.329 --> 01:02:44.269
I don't know. I wish I could remember who told

01:02:44.269 --> 01:02:47.389
me that. But that person said the exact same

01:02:47.389 --> 01:02:49.670
thing. Nobody's in that house. Yeah. Well, so

01:02:49.670 --> 01:02:52.909
I remember reading an article from someone that

01:02:52.909 --> 01:02:55.050
lived in the neighborhood because it's like I'm

01:02:55.050 --> 01:02:57.730
not going to dox her, but like it's I know this

01:02:57.730 --> 01:03:01.559
neighborhood very well. Yeah. And. The one of

01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:03.360
the neighbors was like, yeah, we've never met

01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:07.440
her. We don't know who this woman is. Yeah, that's

01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.880
so funny. A couple of things about this surprise

01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.400
party. I want you to know that if you ever find

01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.980
out that somebody's throwing me a surprise party.

01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:23.719
I need you to either shoot them or shoot me beforehand.

01:03:24.139 --> 01:03:27.800
I. I hate the idea of a surprise party. Why?

01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.539
I have to know everything. I like the idea of

01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:33.300
a surprise party. I like I like the idea. This

01:03:33.300 --> 01:03:35.679
is so sick. I like the idea of pretending to

01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:39.599
be surprised. I think I'd want to know because

01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.159
like what an honor and a privilege. Someone's

01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.699
planning a surprise. Actually, you know what?

01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:44.480
I take that back. I would want a surprise party.

01:03:44.659 --> 01:03:47.500
OK. Yeah. And I love that for you. I think that

01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:50.579
a part of it is also I don't want to party. I

01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:53.119
don't want to party. If I want to hang out with

01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:55.000
people on my birthday, it can probably be like

01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:56.920
two or three people. I would much I would much

01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.699
rather be smaller. I agree with you on that.

01:03:58.699 --> 01:04:01.940
Yeah. Yeah. Like Mary wants. Yes. Small and intimate.

01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:05.039
Oh, God. I think that was all I was going to

01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:08.239
say. OK. So we got over to Mary at her house

01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:13.179
and she's on FaceTime with. Wait, is this? Yeah.

01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:18.510
She's on FaceTime with Robert Sr. And. She starts

01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:19.889
to have a little bit of a breakdown and starts

01:04:19.889 --> 01:04:22.789
crying about the issues with Jen. And I've I've

01:04:22.789 --> 01:04:26.329
said several times that, like, I do not know

01:04:26.329 --> 01:04:29.610
that the actual issue really revolves around

01:04:29.610 --> 01:04:32.710
the hospital spell comment. I think what what

01:04:32.710 --> 01:04:35.710
Jen Shaw has done with Mary up to this point

01:04:35.710 --> 01:04:38.550
is like, I'm going to make an enemy out of you

01:04:38.550 --> 01:04:40.789
and I'm going to make you feel othered. And I

01:04:40.789 --> 01:04:42.909
think that's what she's experiencing here. And

01:04:42.909 --> 01:04:44.989
she also feels like the other girls took Jen's

01:04:44.989 --> 01:04:49.280
side. because the other girls are terrified of

01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.340
Jen. Right. And we've seen like three or four

01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:55.440
times up until this point, like Jen having full

01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.460
blown meltdowns, like like having freakouts,

01:04:57.460 --> 01:05:01.400
like the complete explosions. And I will buy

01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.960
that on some level. I don't know if terrified

01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:05.880
is the word, but I will buy on some level that

01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.800
people are like, I can't handle this. Yeah. Like

01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:10.880
growing up, like and like love him to death now.

01:05:11.019 --> 01:05:13.119
But like Miles was like this growing up. Like

01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.400
it was like, I'm going to make your life a living

01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:17.099
hell. And I'm just going to scream at you and

01:05:17.099 --> 01:05:18.420
scream at you until the point where it's like,

01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:20.159
OK, whatever you want. I don't care. I don't

01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:22.039
want to do this with you anymore. Right. Yeah.

01:05:22.099 --> 01:05:25.139
And I think that as 30 and 40 year old women,

01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.119
I don't think that you have to subject yourself

01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.010
to people who have that kind of attitude. and

01:05:30.010 --> 01:05:32.710
have that issue where you're just going to blow

01:05:32.710 --> 01:05:36.329
up. Like, that's what, you know, by the end of

01:05:36.329 --> 01:05:39.090
episode nine, I'm like, you're a 40 something

01:05:39.090 --> 01:05:42.230
year old woman. What are you doing in public

01:05:42.230 --> 01:05:45.210
in front of 150 plus people acting like this?

01:05:45.230 --> 01:05:48.250
Oh, I have a lot of thoughts about this. We will

01:05:48.250 --> 01:05:52.489
get to this because like the we'll get to it.

01:05:52.489 --> 01:05:56.500
Yeah. Yeah. um we had we had over to have we

01:05:56.500 --> 01:05:58.820
head over to heather's house for valentine's

01:05:58.820 --> 01:06:01.739
day and uh billy comes over with gifts for the

01:06:01.739 --> 01:06:04.900
girls and i love i actually really just love

01:06:04.900 --> 01:06:06.579
that heather was honest about this she goes billy

01:06:06.579 --> 01:06:08.679
was tall cool and rich which checked all of her

01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:12.699
boxes for sure as the boxes should be there yes

01:06:12.699 --> 01:06:15.849
absolutely and tall cool and rich is really Those

01:06:15.849 --> 01:06:18.150
are my boxes, too. So that'll do it. Whatever.

01:06:18.269 --> 01:06:20.730
That'll do it. They get engaged after three months

01:06:20.730 --> 01:06:23.570
of knowing each other. And then we find out that,

01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:26.590
like, just we get a sneak peek into, like, how

01:06:26.590 --> 01:06:30.429
their marriage was. And I guess the beginning

01:06:30.429 --> 01:06:32.730
of the end was they went to see Scary Movie 3,

01:06:32.909 --> 01:06:35.769
which is an old choice for a Mormon couple, by

01:06:35.769 --> 01:06:39.329
the way. Absolutely. I was also like, hmm, that

01:06:39.329 --> 01:06:42.110
is a choice that you made. Yeah. Interesting.

01:06:42.170 --> 01:06:44.530
But when the scene with the Gloria happened,

01:06:45.530 --> 01:06:47.210
Billy stormed out and Heather didn't really see

01:06:47.210 --> 01:06:50.150
a problem with it. So Billy decided that he was

01:06:50.150 --> 01:06:52.769
just going to be rotten to her. And that's where

01:06:52.769 --> 01:06:56.369
things start to fall apart. Right. And then ultimately,

01:06:56.449 --> 01:06:58.369
Billy left. And you mentioned this earlier because

01:06:58.369 --> 01:07:00.429
Heather wouldn't change the time of a baptism

01:07:00.429 --> 01:07:02.610
for one of their daughters to accommodate a sister.

01:07:02.750 --> 01:07:04.409
So he said, OK, make it whenever you want. And

01:07:04.409 --> 01:07:07.449
I'll just move out next week. And that is so

01:07:07.449 --> 01:07:11.010
I mean, I don't even have to say how disgusting

01:07:11.010 --> 01:07:15.079
and crazy that is and how sad it is. And I think

01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.119
that it also makes me really sad that Heather

01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:20.800
is so really torn up about it. And maybe it's

01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.199
just because it is a divorce of a marriage. And

01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.079
there's also other cultural and societal expectations

01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.420
given them being Mormon that she's so devastated

01:07:29.420 --> 01:07:32.320
about this divorce. Whereas like if I were with

01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.619
somebody like that and like some time has passed,

01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:39.360
I'd be like, thank God. I so I have. Tried to

01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:41.739
piece this timeline together in my head. I think

01:07:41.739 --> 01:07:46.920
that it was much more recent than we knew, because

01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.760
like, I don't I don't know if she's mentioned

01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:52.599
it up until this point, but like, I don't think

01:07:52.599 --> 01:07:55.159
that that much time had passed. But like, I also

01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:58.539
think that it makes me really sad for Heather.

01:07:58.579 --> 01:08:03.719
But on some level, I feel. Not sad for Billy,

01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:05.739
but like I feel bad that like that's that was

01:08:05.739 --> 01:08:11.460
Billy's worldview where like he said. The Mormonism

01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:13.860
thing is like is the number one important thing

01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:17.119
to me. Everything else is a deal breaker. And

01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:21.579
if you aren't going to conform to like exactly

01:08:21.579 --> 01:08:26.020
what I want, it's over. And I'm like, why? Why

01:08:26.020 --> 01:08:27.760
wasn't that more important to you? I guess like

01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:29.460
that's kind of my question. And that makes me

01:08:29.460 --> 01:08:32.479
sad a little bit. It's extremely sad, especially

01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:37.279
because, I mean, I know that when you're from

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:40.899
what I've gathered from this season of Housewives

01:08:40.899 --> 01:08:44.539
and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, like when you

01:08:44.539 --> 01:08:47.279
are married to somebody from the Mormon church,

01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:51.619
you are married, not just. like for the rest

01:08:51.619 --> 01:08:54.279
of your lives, but for eternity. And like, even

01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:56.239
if you divorce that person, you're also stuck

01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.579
with them in eternity. This is something that

01:08:58.579 --> 01:09:02.060
comes up in the reunion of season one. Yeah.

01:09:02.100 --> 01:09:03.699
So it's being called sealed in the church. So

01:09:03.699 --> 01:09:06.520
you can get married and then it's just like a

01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:08.100
normal marriage or whatever. But then if you

01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:12.260
get sealed in the church, you're sealed for all

01:09:12.260 --> 01:09:16.560
eternity to your husband. And this is some, was

01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:19.119
it? I think Miranda on The Secret Lives of Mormon

01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:24.159
Wives talked about where she said she's. Like,

01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:27.199
well, what was it like? She's like just kind

01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.180
of like stuck out in the middle of nowhere because

01:09:29.180 --> 01:09:33.020
her husband or her ex -husband got married to

01:09:33.020 --> 01:09:37.640
someone else. So. So she can't be with her husband.

01:09:37.779 --> 01:09:41.579
Well, ex -husband. I don't remember what it is

01:09:41.579 --> 01:09:44.659
like, but it sounds very daunting and scary.

01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:46.619
Yes. No matter what it is. You know, my whole

01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:49.359
feelings about religion, but like that's that's

01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.539
what it all is, is just to scare people. Honestly,

01:09:51.619 --> 01:09:55.439
yeah. Yeah. And I just feel so bad for everybody

01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:58.579
involved that like, especially if. I don't know

01:09:58.579 --> 01:10:00.699
how old Billy and Heather were when they got

01:10:00.699 --> 01:10:03.680
married, but for a lot of 23. Yeah. For like

01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.180
a lot of Mormons, you're in your late teens,

01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:09.239
early twenties, making this serious commitment

01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:11.659
after only a lot of the times, a few months of

01:10:11.659 --> 01:10:14.779
dating. And I'm sure that especially being brought

01:10:14.779 --> 01:10:17.399
up in that kind of religion and that kind of

01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.239
society, you just want to be as perfect as you

01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.579
can and you just want to do the right thing.

01:10:23.060 --> 01:10:26.510
And I think that it's also devastating and. Heather

01:10:26.510 --> 01:10:28.670
is a big person to be talking about this in this

01:10:28.670 --> 01:10:31.689
season where when you're Mormon, you're striving

01:10:31.689 --> 01:10:34.529
for perfection and the endless pursuit of perfection

01:10:34.529 --> 01:10:37.550
and all things. Absolutely. And so I feel so

01:10:37.550 --> 01:10:40.109
bad that that is so deeply ingrained in Heather

01:10:40.109 --> 01:10:44.090
that she probably has this internalized notion

01:10:44.090 --> 01:10:48.069
of like, I'm so deeply not perfect because my

01:10:48.069 --> 01:10:49.989
marriage is failing because of this, because

01:10:49.989 --> 01:10:55.159
of that. And and with. It's just so it's it's

01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.939
devastating to imagine what actually is going

01:10:57.939 --> 01:11:01.720
on in her heart and her mind after knowing that

01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:03.479
you are supposed to be perfect and everything

01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:05.720
had fallen apart for her. Well, she does get

01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:09.859
into that a little bit. She she talks a lot about

01:11:09.859 --> 01:11:12.279
it, like when it's when she's like writing the

01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:14.720
bad Mormon book and like. So a lot of this does

01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.420
come up, but like she does acknowledge in this

01:11:16.420 --> 01:11:19.560
episode that she only got married. to be married

01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:22.079
and to have an eternal family because like that's,

01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:23.500
that's the, that's the vision you're sold. And

01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:25.199
we grew up in a church like this, by the way,

01:11:25.220 --> 01:11:29.399
like we, we were told the most important thing

01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.659
you can do as a woman is be a mother. Like that's,

01:11:31.659 --> 01:11:34.640
I very vividly remember hearing that in Sunday

01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:40.380
school classes. Right. And I'm like, you, if,

01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.680
if you're like, I mean, I guess it is indoctrinated.

01:11:43.699 --> 01:11:45.340
Like that's the word, but it's like, if that's,

01:11:45.340 --> 01:11:48.949
if that's the vision you're sold. on some level

01:11:48.949 --> 01:11:50.909
yeah you you feel like you have to check that

01:11:50.909 --> 01:11:54.350
box right yeah but and I think she feels a little

01:11:54.350 --> 01:11:56.930
bit conflicted because she's she does she does

01:11:56.930 --> 01:11:58.970
say that she feels thankful that they're divorced

01:11:58.970 --> 01:12:01.930
but like she feels like she's out on an island

01:12:01.930 --> 01:12:04.409
because you're living in the Mormon capital of

01:12:04.409 --> 01:12:08.270
the world and like and I mean even today like

01:12:08.270 --> 01:12:10.369
because your mom talked about this where she

01:12:10.369 --> 01:12:12.149
felt like after she got divorced there was like

01:12:12.149 --> 01:12:16.069
a Like a cloud over her at some point. So I think

01:12:16.069 --> 01:12:18.409
there's still like a stigma to it. That's kind

01:12:18.409 --> 01:12:21.329
of gross. Absolutely. I feel so bad about that.

01:12:21.390 --> 01:12:23.050
She did say it in this episode. Like, I don't

01:12:23.050 --> 01:12:25.710
know if like ostracized was the word, but that's

01:12:25.710 --> 01:12:27.270
like, you know, a synonym to it. She just feels

01:12:27.270 --> 01:12:30.869
ostracized and she's worried sick about her kids

01:12:30.869 --> 01:12:33.550
feeling the same way, especially because they're

01:12:33.550 --> 01:12:36.550
kind of like not going to church, kind of going

01:12:36.550 --> 01:12:39.430
when they want kind of situation. And she she

01:12:39.430 --> 01:12:42.960
just knows that a lot of things. are going to

01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.520
affect her and affect her family in the way that

01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.039
she and her family are perceived. And what a

01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:52.819
what a huge weight on your shoulders, especially

01:12:52.819 --> 01:12:55.180
having all of that just in your community and

01:12:55.180 --> 01:12:58.479
then also putting it on TV. Well, putting it

01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:02.020
on TV. And then I think the level between that

01:13:02.020 --> 01:13:06.119
is like. I look at Heather and I look at all

01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.140
the moms on Salt Lake City and like these are

01:13:08.140 --> 01:13:13.720
these are good, good, good moms. I cannot imagine

01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:18.300
what it's like to say. Yeah, like there's there's

01:13:18.300 --> 01:13:20.720
a dark cloud floating over me, but like you also

01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:22.359
found I don't know if you found out later in

01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:24.600
the season or if you find out. I don't know when

01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:27.119
we got it up, but I know she talks about. Yeah,

01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:28.840
like the girls stop getting invited to birthday

01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.399
parties at one point. And like. What do you do

01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.659
with that? Yeah. And like, I hate that there's

01:13:36.659 --> 01:13:38.880
a lot of. There's a lot of things happening in

01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:43.220
these past few episodes where these moms are

01:13:43.220 --> 01:13:44.899
blaming themselves for what's happening in their

01:13:44.899 --> 01:13:46.560
kids' lives. I think it was Meredith blaming

01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.520
herself for Seth not going to Brooks' fashion

01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:52.020
show. She blamed herself. And I'm like, Meredith

01:13:52.020 --> 01:13:54.319
has got to stop doing that. I can't hear this

01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:57.300
out of her mouth one more time. It's Seth's choice

01:13:57.300 --> 01:14:02.859
to stay, to like. Be with his son in an important

01:14:02.859 --> 01:14:06.100
moment. If he if he genuinely wants to give Meredith

01:14:06.100 --> 01:14:08.840
space, they can sit three chairs away from each

01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.020
other. They can sit across the room from each

01:14:11.020 --> 01:14:14.140
other. Be there for your son. Don't ever put

01:14:14.140 --> 01:14:16.300
the blame on Meredith for that. I hate that.

01:14:16.539 --> 01:14:18.640
Meredith blamed herself. I don't think I've ever

01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.659
blamed Meredith. I think. Yes, that is true.

01:14:20.739 --> 01:14:25.680
What I will buy is that. Seth probably could

01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:27.920
have done more. Yes, absolutely. But at some

01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:32.439
point, like I do feel like Meredith said, I need

01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.479
space. And I think Seth with the best of intentions

01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:37.500
was trying to do that. And I like but you know,

01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:39.840
the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions.

01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:45.920
So I like I can't entirely blame Seth, but like

01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.159
I. I don't ever want to blame Meredith for anything.

01:14:48.500 --> 01:14:51.340
Exactly. It was very damned if you do, damned

01:14:51.340 --> 01:14:54.479
if you don't. Right. But then we see Whitney

01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.319
heading over to Mary's house. Mary counts out

01:14:57.319 --> 01:14:59.279
her chicken nuggets at the beginning of that

01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:00.800
scene. Did you notice that where she goes one,

01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:04.520
two, three on the plate? I did not notice. Why

01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.380
did you do that? I don't know, but that was the

01:15:08.380 --> 01:15:11.439
most insane thing ever to me because I've. Never

01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:13.739
once in my life thought about how many chicken

01:15:13.739 --> 01:15:16.619
nuggets I eat in a sitting. That's just unless

01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:19.619
it is a 10 piece nugget from McDonald's and I'm

01:15:19.619 --> 01:15:22.260
making sure that there are 10 or more in there.

01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:23.699
That's the only time I'm counting my nuggets.

01:15:23.779 --> 01:15:27.119
I never knew. But Whitney walks into the house

01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:30.000
and Mary makes people that walk into her house

01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:31.760
where those little construction booty things.

01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:37.039
Yeah, she does. I'd be so offended, honestly.

01:15:37.770 --> 01:15:41.770
I totally get the premise of like shoes are so

01:15:41.770 --> 01:15:45.649
dirty. And I even get the premise of like, I

01:15:45.649 --> 01:15:49.409
don't want you to wear your outside clothes on

01:15:49.409 --> 01:15:51.989
the bed. I totally get all of those things. Sure.

01:15:52.130 --> 01:15:54.430
But like, I would be a tiny bit offended if somebody

01:15:54.430 --> 01:15:56.970
was like, I need you to wear these little booties.

01:15:57.050 --> 01:16:00.970
I just assume when I go to anyone's house and

01:16:00.970 --> 01:16:04.479
it's like a shoes off house, like. I don't see

01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:06.220
why you wouldn't just say, hey, like, can you

01:16:06.220 --> 01:16:08.960
pop your shoes off or whatever? Like, I don't.

01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:11.739
Let her have her dogs out. That is so crazy.

01:16:12.260 --> 01:16:15.560
Yeah. In her literal stilettos that she wears

01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:19.579
24 -7. Absolutely insane. She has to wear booties

01:16:19.579 --> 01:16:22.060
over stilettos in somebody's house. God bless.

01:16:23.340 --> 01:16:25.100
Nobody else is going to do it. Whitney might

01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:27.890
as well. I won't be walking around in stilettos

01:16:27.890 --> 01:16:31.210
in somebody's house. No, no. Let the dogs out.

01:16:31.569 --> 01:16:34.470
Exactly. We get a peek into Mary's closet, which

01:16:34.470 --> 01:16:36.869
so we get a peek into one of the closets, which

01:16:36.869 --> 01:16:40.090
is a bedroom with just racks and racks and racks

01:16:40.090 --> 01:16:43.189
of clothes in it. And then we find out that her

01:16:43.189 --> 01:16:47.649
love of fashion stems from a trip to Dillard's.

01:16:48.789 --> 01:16:50.789
Have you ever been to a Dillard's? Of course

01:16:50.789 --> 01:16:52.590
I haven't. It made me think of Granny immediately.

01:16:53.829 --> 01:16:58.779
She's also the type. I've driven granny to to

01:16:58.779 --> 01:17:01.100
Louisville thousands of times so she can go to

01:17:01.100 --> 01:17:04.760
Dillard's. I know. Isn't that funny? I yeah,

01:17:04.859 --> 01:17:07.819
that was so interesting and it made me immediately

01:17:07.819 --> 01:17:10.079
think of our granny and it was so endearing.

01:17:10.100 --> 01:17:13.539
But it's funny that it goes from Dillard's to

01:17:13.539 --> 01:17:17.359
like Louis Vuitton, Balmain, all these things.

01:17:17.859 --> 01:17:22.840
And one thing about Mary is as much as I hate

01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:25.079
90 percent of her outfits, I love her wearing

01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.819
them. I do, too. I do, too. I think she's so

01:17:27.819 --> 01:17:31.119
silly. I think she's so in touch with her own

01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:33.300
style and what makes her happy and fulfilled.

01:17:33.539 --> 01:17:35.920
Because, of course, I love that she supports

01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:38.939
her own marriage to her step grandfather. I love

01:17:38.939 --> 01:17:42.319
that she supports it. I do. But I can't imagine

01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.819
being very happy being married to my step grandfather.

01:17:44.899 --> 01:17:47.899
So if I could find any shred of happiness in

01:17:47.899 --> 01:17:51.859
thousands of dollars worth of. like Louis Vuitton

01:17:51.859 --> 01:17:54.340
shawls. Yeah, I'm going to find it and I'm going

01:17:54.340 --> 01:17:57.000
to get it. I feel that. I guess I love that she's

01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.279
in touch with her style and what makes it so

01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:02.840
unique. It's it's it's beautiful to see. Would

01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:05.960
I wear it? Not in a million years. No, no. But

01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:08.720
I love it for her. I love it for her. And that's

01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:12.539
that's where it is. Mary brings up the fact that

01:18:12.539 --> 01:18:15.359
she's left out of Cherie's surprise party and

01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:21.140
she does get into the I guess. Lisa and Meredith

01:18:21.140 --> 01:18:26.220
told her that they're afraid of Jen. Yes. And

01:18:26.220 --> 01:18:30.439
Mary was simply the wrong. I'm sorry. Whitney

01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.399
was simply the wrong person to tell this information

01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:39.880
to. I have a thing right now that I'm trying.

01:18:39.939 --> 01:18:42.420
I have this idea in my head that I'm trying to

01:18:42.420 --> 01:18:44.220
work with as I continue to watch these episodes

01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:48.270
that I think Whitney is a very. important person

01:18:48.270 --> 01:18:51.829
to have on this show because she kind of knows

01:18:51.829 --> 01:18:54.949
a little bit about everything from everybody

01:18:54.949 --> 01:18:58.329
and she's kind of she has all this information

01:18:58.329 --> 01:19:02.949
and i i'm wanting her to harness it and like

01:19:02.949 --> 01:19:05.850
really use it for good i think she's kind of

01:19:05.850 --> 01:19:10.329
like i want her to use it for evil go on go on

01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:13.479
I think that she's a lot like how Layla is in

01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:16.119
Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, where Layla is

01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:17.800
also the kind of person that just starts knowing

01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:20.000
things. And then like in the confessional, she's

01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.699
like, I know all this information. I just don't

01:19:21.699 --> 01:19:23.720
know what to do with it. Well, I think it's because

01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:26.399
they're both incredibly approachable people and

01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:32.359
they're. In some ways, trustworthy people. Yeah.

01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:35.539
And I do believe that about Whitney. And, you

01:19:35.539 --> 01:19:38.739
know, speaking of trustworthiness, I don't I

01:19:38.739 --> 01:19:40.550
don't know if we're going to talk about it. In

01:19:40.550 --> 01:19:43.930
regards to this episode, Jen Shaw's pissing me

01:19:43.930 --> 01:19:49.970
off. Why? She she ratted out Meredith's situation

01:19:49.970 --> 01:19:53.229
with Seth. Oh, we can talk about that. I I don't

01:19:53.229 --> 01:19:57.090
know what episode that was. I think it was seven

01:19:57.090 --> 01:20:02.079
or eight. It was. I think so, too. I. I heard

01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:04.000
that. I don't know if I was doing so. I think

01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:06.180
I was cooking dinner or something and I was watching

01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:09.180
it on TV in the kitchen. And I heard that I didn't

01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:12.340
see it. I was I was doing something. Are you

01:20:12.340 --> 01:20:14.020
talking about where she goes? You'll just have

01:20:14.020 --> 01:20:17.279
to ask Meredith. No, not even that. She was mad.

01:20:17.420 --> 01:20:19.939
She was going off about something. And then she

01:20:19.939 --> 01:20:26.720
mentioned. I think she was mentioning how. Meredith

01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:30.239
is putting on this whole charade about her. Oh,

01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:32.800
yeah. But she was saying it to somebody like

01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:34.800
it wasn't in a confessional or anything. And

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:39.140
I was at the thing about. The trunk show where

01:20:39.140 --> 01:20:41.960
she was talking about how she met the guy in

01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:46.500
New York. No, I guess I don't really know what

01:20:46.500 --> 01:20:48.819
I'm thinking, but she told somebody about that.

01:20:48.899 --> 01:20:52.180
And I was like, you've got to be absolutely kidding

01:20:52.180 --> 01:20:55.289
me like. Jen is just a bad friend. She's not

01:20:55.289 --> 01:20:57.649
trustworthy in the slightest. She's done that

01:20:57.649 --> 01:20:59.489
twice. She's done it with Meredith and she's

01:20:59.489 --> 01:21:02.010
done it with something else. I don't remember

01:21:02.010 --> 01:21:05.510
what it was. And obviously she called Mary. Grandpa

01:21:05.510 --> 01:21:08.569
ever. Yeah. So there's that. But there was something

01:21:08.569 --> 01:21:12.029
else. This is the thing that I struggle with

01:21:12.029 --> 01:21:17.869
with Jen Shaw. Jen Shaw is. She's so fabulous

01:21:17.869 --> 01:21:21.770
in so many ways and she's so cool and like she's

01:21:21.770 --> 01:21:26.029
she's a larger than life personality. And that's

01:21:26.029 --> 01:21:27.869
her redeeming quality, right? We're like you

01:21:27.869 --> 01:21:32.149
take the good with the bad. This is where I struggle

01:21:32.149 --> 01:21:34.989
so much because I'm like, Jen, you're you're

01:21:34.989 --> 01:21:37.489
checking off a lot of boxes that are going to

01:21:37.489 --> 01:21:40.270
like get rid of a lot of the redeeming qualities

01:21:40.270 --> 01:21:45.750
and. If she could just change a little. Actually,

01:21:45.750 --> 01:21:46.989
I don't know if she can change a little bit.

01:21:47.050 --> 01:21:50.369
I'll probably cut that. But like I, I get what

01:21:50.369 --> 01:21:52.229
you're saying. And like that's I think that's

01:21:52.229 --> 01:21:53.829
always the struggle with Jen Shaw, though, is

01:21:53.829 --> 01:21:55.649
like she's like she's larger than life. She's

01:21:55.649 --> 01:21:58.189
so great. She's so cool. Why do you do that?

01:21:58.229 --> 01:22:00.949
Get out of your own way. Exactly. I think that's

01:22:00.949 --> 01:22:04.329
so much. And I'm sorry to completely derail talking

01:22:04.329 --> 01:22:07.539
about Whitney being. trustworthy or whether or

01:22:07.539 --> 01:22:10.340
not she is um but i think that's such a huge

01:22:10.340 --> 01:22:12.479
problem you said it best like jen just gets in

01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:16.180
her own way yeah and i think that like you said

01:22:16.180 --> 01:22:18.520
like her being so larger than life it's such

01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:21.520
a beautiful quality to her she has so much personality

01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:26.319
so much amazing things she's crazy awesome but

01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:30.600
like i think that she's putting on this mask

01:22:31.869 --> 01:22:35.250
Because she is so I feel like she's deeply insecure.

01:22:35.729 --> 01:22:39.890
And I think that's why she portrays herself to

01:22:39.890 --> 01:22:42.689
be so large and just larger than life and have

01:22:42.689 --> 01:22:46.250
this incredibly charismatic personality and all

01:22:46.250 --> 01:22:48.689
this stuff. But like, she's so insecure within

01:22:48.689 --> 01:22:52.329
herself that when things get messy, that's what

01:22:52.329 --> 01:22:54.170
I think. She's so insecure that when things get

01:22:54.170 --> 01:22:58.430
messy, she needs to derail it before her insecurities

01:22:58.430 --> 01:23:00.960
show. And that's why she's constantly lonely.

01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:02.819
That's why she constantly needs people around

01:23:02.819 --> 01:23:06.659
her. Oh, this is deep. Okay. I think it's a deep

01:23:06.659 --> 01:23:09.920
problem that she has. Yeah. That's my perspective

01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:12.500
of Jen is that she's so deeply insecure that

01:23:12.500 --> 01:23:15.699
she needs to hide that with having the personality

01:23:15.699 --> 01:23:17.960
she does, with having all the people around her

01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:20.220
that she does, by having the friends around her

01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:23.729
that she has. And I think that's fair. And that's

01:23:23.729 --> 01:23:25.930
why at some level, even though I literally can't

01:23:25.930 --> 01:23:27.890
stand her half the time and even though she's

01:23:27.890 --> 01:23:30.909
absolutely insane half the time, I feel bad.

01:23:31.170 --> 01:23:33.550
Yeah, I do empathize with her because that's

01:23:33.550 --> 01:23:35.829
how I'm seeing it, is that she's deeply insecure.

01:23:36.170 --> 01:23:39.390
Fair. OK, that's fair. And it's sad. It is sad.

01:23:40.550 --> 01:23:43.210
We can go back to Whitney, Whitney and Mary.

01:23:43.289 --> 01:23:45.810
Well, that was it for Whitney and Mary. Next,

01:23:45.989 --> 01:23:48.109
we go over to Meredith's house and they're trying

01:23:48.109 --> 01:23:50.430
to figure out what they want for dinner. And.

01:23:51.270 --> 01:23:54.310
Meredith looks at Seth and goes, what is it you

01:23:54.310 --> 01:23:57.529
want? And I just thought that was the funniest

01:23:57.529 --> 01:24:00.470
way to ask. I love her so much. I know. Well,

01:24:00.470 --> 01:24:04.250
he kept being like you. And Brooks is. What is

01:24:04.250 --> 01:24:08.050
it you want? To order in. What is it you want?

01:24:09.029 --> 01:24:11.590
And Brooks is like, I literally can't do it.

01:24:11.890 --> 01:24:15.109
I. I love Brooks. I like Brooks. I think Brooks

01:24:15.109 --> 01:24:17.729
is funny. I think he's beautiful. I love his

01:24:17.729 --> 01:24:19.529
lip gloss. He's very cute. He's a very handsome

01:24:19.529 --> 01:24:23.989
boy. As in like he's 21 years old and I call

01:24:23.989 --> 01:24:26.149
him a little boy. It's fine. Little boy. Yeah.

01:24:26.350 --> 01:24:29.229
And that scene was pretty quick. But we go over

01:24:29.229 --> 01:24:32.770
with Whitney to her friend Sarah MacArthur's

01:24:32.770 --> 01:24:35.869
house. What a woman. Do you know about this woman?

01:24:36.029 --> 01:24:37.989
I don't. I know she's on her third marriage.

01:24:38.149 --> 01:24:41.449
Yeah. You want to know. So this is the same woman.

01:24:41.489 --> 01:24:44.010
Do you remember the very first episode? With

01:24:44.010 --> 01:24:46.319
Meredith. Birthday party. Yes. And she's like,

01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:48.960
happy birthday. Do you want to know another fun

01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:51.380
fact about Sarah MacArthur? I'd do anything for

01:24:51.380 --> 01:25:00.479
one. She was at January 6th. So Sarah MacArthur,

01:25:00.659 --> 01:25:03.180
I'll give you a little context about this woman.

01:25:04.260 --> 01:25:06.920
And Emma and I have talked about this woman before.

01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:14.380
This was supposed to be. Either one of the housewives

01:25:14.380 --> 01:25:22.359
or a friend of. The. So. Have you noticed I haven't

01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:28.579
spoken since you. Since you said that. I. I'm

01:25:28.579 --> 01:25:32.380
so shocked. Honestly, am I really? Do you want

01:25:32.380 --> 01:25:34.100
to know something else? I'd do anything to know.

01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:40.359
This episode aired January 6th of 2021. The.

01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:43.760
The quickness that the Internet found out who

01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:50.380
this woman was is wild. So I was reading an article

01:25:50.380 --> 01:25:54.239
not too long ago about her being canceled. And

01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:56.859
she talks about this being her episode. This

01:25:56.859 --> 01:25:59.479
scene was three minutes long, by the way. Yeah,

01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:02.100
it was nothing. The way that she's like, it was

01:26:02.100 --> 01:26:06.460
taken away from me. And I'm going to like I'm

01:26:06.460 --> 01:26:08.060
going to get into that article one day on this

01:26:08.060 --> 01:26:12.670
show. But. This one was at January 6th. We'll

01:26:12.670 --> 01:26:19.670
just leave it at that. So they're kind of getting

01:26:19.670 --> 01:26:24.090
into the like the past with the marriages and

01:26:24.090 --> 01:26:26.050
everything. We find out that Justin's parents,

01:26:26.090 --> 01:26:30.090
so Whitney's husband, have Whitney and Justin's

01:26:30.090 --> 01:26:34.890
wedding photo next to a photo. of justin with

01:26:34.890 --> 01:26:37.630
his ex -wife and then the ex -wife's wedding

01:26:37.630 --> 01:26:40.229
photo to her new husband are all just out there

01:26:40.229 --> 01:26:46.069
together and i get i get that whitney and justin's

01:26:46.069 --> 01:26:49.949
relationship didn't start in the most conventional

01:26:49.949 --> 01:26:54.649
way the most classiest of ways whatever the way

01:26:54.649 --> 01:26:59.159
that like I don't know that I'd be able to deal

01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.979
with the parents after that. Like I don't know

01:27:01.979 --> 01:27:04.260
what I would do with that. The level of disrespect

01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:10.100
that that portrays is so astonishing. And it's

01:27:10.100 --> 01:27:13.680
like. In the grand scheme of things, you can't

01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:15.560
control your kids. They're going to do whatever

01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:17.279
they want to do, no matter how you raise them,

01:27:17.340 --> 01:27:20.380
whatever, whatever. I think that's so insane.

01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:22.760
When Whitney said it took about six or seven

01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:25.100
years for mine and Justin's wedding photo to

01:27:25.100 --> 01:27:28.720
get up on the wall next to the original wedding

01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:32.579
photo of Justin and his ex -wife. And then like,

01:27:32.619 --> 01:27:37.180
how are you so? I mean, I know that lots of parents

01:27:37.180 --> 01:27:39.899
-in -law love their. daughters -in -law or sons

01:27:39.899 --> 01:27:44.060
-in -laws but like how do you have so good of

01:27:44.060 --> 01:27:47.180
a connection and relationship with your ex -daughter

01:27:47.180 --> 01:27:50.119
-in -law that you also have her wedding photo

01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:53.439
with her current husband yeah i don't understand

01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:56.659
that dynamic that's wild i i thought it was the

01:27:56.659 --> 01:28:00.199
my my jaw dropped to the floor when i heard whitney

01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.779
say that and that it took six to seven years

01:28:02.779 --> 01:28:04.560
of them being married for her picture to end

01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:09.800
up on that wall absolutely crazy yeah sick and

01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:13.520
twisted then they start kind of like talking

01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:16.060
about well what's what's gonna happen at sherry's

01:28:16.060 --> 01:28:18.340
party and then sarah encourages whitney to talk

01:28:18.340 --> 01:28:22.220
to jen at sherry's birthday party and i just

01:28:22.220 --> 01:28:24.399
want to say sarah doesn't have a good track record

01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:28.300
for decision making really Between that January

01:28:28.300 --> 01:28:33.140
6th. Heard. Well, when she said that, I honestly

01:28:33.140 --> 01:28:35.520
agreed. I was like, I guess in the grand scheme

01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.199
of things, if Jen is her best self when Sharif

01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:41.399
is around, then maybe it would be a good time

01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:46.020
for her to. In that moment, I agree. I think

01:28:46.020 --> 01:28:49.319
in the best of conditions. Yeah, sure. You can

01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:52.840
you can approach it then. I think if you're looking

01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:55.560
at reality and who Jen shies as a person, if

01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:57.520
you think that was a good decision, you are out

01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.000
of your ever loving mind. Heard. What do you

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.260
think would have made it better if it wasn't

01:29:02.260 --> 01:29:05.119
his birthday party or like. I think that was

01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:07.300
the wrong night to do it. On the birthday party.

01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.579
100%. I would probably agree that like. In the

01:29:11.579 --> 01:29:13.500
grand scheme of things, it's somebody else's

01:29:13.500 --> 01:29:16.039
day. Don't ruin it. Whatever, whatever. I do

01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:21.250
agree with that. So Lisa and John take Jack and

01:29:21.250 --> 01:29:23.729
Henry to an aquarium and they got to do a little

01:29:23.729 --> 01:29:26.470
penguin experience. Oh, my God. How did you feel?

01:29:26.770 --> 01:29:28.210
I thought it was the coolest thing ever. And

01:29:28.210 --> 01:29:29.810
I want to see if the Indianapolis Zoo does this.

01:29:29.890 --> 01:29:32.130
I would do anything. I thought it was the cutest

01:29:32.130 --> 01:29:34.170
thing I've ever seen in my life. I started liking

01:29:34.170 --> 01:29:36.869
penguins after that. I love that. It was so cute.

01:29:37.069 --> 01:29:39.489
You know, I would love to do that with dolphins.

01:29:39.590 --> 01:29:41.369
I know a lot of zoos do where you can swim with

01:29:41.369 --> 01:29:43.609
the dolphins. I want to do that so bad. Well,

01:29:43.770 --> 01:29:46.989
you know, I was. absolutely obsessed with dolphins

01:29:46.989 --> 01:29:49.210
when i was little do you know that and i very

01:29:49.210 --> 01:29:53.189
vividly remember that dear listener i had a literal

01:29:53.189 --> 01:29:56.909
collection of dolphin figurines the glass dolphins

01:29:56.909 --> 01:30:00.510
there were these beautiful glass dolphins um

01:30:00.510 --> 01:30:03.810
they would also be like just little statues little

01:30:03.810 --> 01:30:09.100
like just dolphin figurines and I had dolphin

01:30:09.100 --> 01:30:11.520
necklaces I have an incredibly iconic you did

01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.479
have a dolphin necklace oh and I have an I have

01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.180
it actually in my room and students can like

01:30:17.180 --> 01:30:20.770
they know that it's me and I have an iconic picture

01:30:20.770 --> 01:30:23.449
a school picture of me in this beautiful green

01:30:23.449 --> 01:30:26.350
sweater with a collar with the dolphin necklace

01:30:26.350 --> 01:30:28.649
and I have my arms crossed I look like a little

01:30:28.649 --> 01:30:30.770
businesswoman I'll literally send it to you and

01:30:30.770 --> 01:30:32.630
you can post it like on the Instagram or something

01:30:32.630 --> 01:30:34.890
we have it in this house I know we have it somewhere

01:30:34.890 --> 01:30:38.310
if not it's on my phone I love it's iconic and

01:30:38.310 --> 01:30:39.930
it's that dolphin necklace that really seals

01:30:39.930 --> 01:30:43.750
the deal I love that so much yeah so I would

01:30:43.750 --> 01:30:46.279
love to Swim with dolphins at the zoo or something

01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:47.180
like that. I think that would be so much fun.

01:30:47.500 --> 01:30:49.539
Yeah, the penguin thing was absolutely adorable.

01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:54.340
And I do love that Lisa and John are trying to

01:30:54.340 --> 01:30:58.399
do things with their kids like that. Little excursions.

01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:02.180
One thing about Lisa is I think out of almost

01:31:02.180 --> 01:31:07.859
all of the moms, Lisa is one of the greatest

01:31:07.859 --> 01:31:12.140
in the way that their sons can do anything. And

01:31:12.140 --> 01:31:17.239
Lisa will be so proud. I agree. I agree. I don't

01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:19.319
know if this is a popular or unpopular opinion,

01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:23.579
but Henry's annoying. He's an annoying little

01:31:23.579 --> 01:31:26.960
eight year old. He's eight. I think I do think

01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:28.520
all eight year olds are really annoying. All

01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.579
kids are annoying in general, actually. By God,

01:31:31.579 --> 01:31:35.000
does Lisa love that kid? She thinks that Henry

01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:37.479
hangs the moon in her sky. Yes. And I think that's

01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:42.220
beautiful. Somebody ought to. Fair. So I do love

01:31:42.220 --> 01:31:44.829
that. But of course, earlier we were talking

01:31:44.829 --> 01:31:48.649
about how their work is always first. And I know

01:31:48.649 --> 01:31:50.930
that John wants to change that. But Lisa's having

01:31:50.930 --> 01:31:52.689
a really hard time wrapping her mind around that.

01:31:52.729 --> 01:31:54.649
But she also knows that she's kind of leaving

01:31:54.649 --> 01:31:58.029
her kids behind. And she's like, every night

01:31:58.029 --> 01:32:01.789
I go to bed thinking, do my sons feel loved?

01:32:01.890 --> 01:32:03.890
And stuff like that. So I know that she's aware

01:32:03.890 --> 01:32:08.409
of the potential consequences of being so busy

01:32:08.409 --> 01:32:11.010
and so ingrained in her work. But I don't know

01:32:11.010 --> 01:32:15.840
if... The effort to change that is there, but

01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:17.899
obviously this episode showing she's trying.

01:32:18.100 --> 01:32:20.939
Lisa is someone else that cannot get out of her

01:32:20.939 --> 01:32:25.239
own way and not a negative. Well, depending on

01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:26.819
how you look at it, I don't look at it as a negative

01:32:26.819 --> 01:32:30.619
because I'm like, this is someone who is conscious

01:32:30.619 --> 01:32:34.199
of you have to do more with the kids like you

01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:38.300
like. And I think she's trying. And I have to

01:32:38.300 --> 01:32:42.810
tell you, Taylor, if I. It was Jack or Henry.

01:32:42.909 --> 01:32:45.130
I would consider myself one of the luckiest kids

01:32:45.130 --> 01:32:47.710
in the world. Yeah. In the same way with any

01:32:47.710 --> 01:32:49.529
of these moms, if I'm being 100 percent honest,

01:32:49.750 --> 01:32:55.729
like. I all of these moms, I think, are the best

01:32:55.729 --> 01:32:59.890
moms that they can possibly be. And so I don't

01:32:59.890 --> 01:33:03.630
think Jack or Henry are on or in a negative place

01:33:03.630 --> 01:33:09.850
because Lisa and John can't stop working. Yeah.

01:33:10.300 --> 01:33:15.199
I do see it in every episode. And if I have to

01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.800
play devil's advocate, we are only seeing what

01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:20.439
is being portrayed on the show. But if that's

01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.100
what we're taking in and what we are discussing,

01:33:23.420 --> 01:33:28.000
I will say that these moms adore their kids.

01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.880
And not only adore their kids, but adore each

01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:33.479
other's kids, too, which I think is beautiful.

01:33:33.699 --> 01:33:37.119
Like Jen loves Meredith's kids and wore Brooks's

01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:41.670
tracksuit. I think that's. So endearing. I cannot

01:33:41.670 --> 01:33:43.949
wait for you to see the beginning of season two.

01:33:46.090 --> 01:33:48.130
Don't. Was she like, I'm just doing that for

01:33:48.130 --> 01:33:52.710
Meredith? No, no, no, no, no. It's much worse.

01:33:53.350 --> 01:33:57.729
Much worse. I can't wait. I almost want you to

01:33:57.729 --> 01:34:00.569
spoil it for me. No, no, no, no. You have to

01:34:00.569 --> 01:34:02.470
experience that yourself because I want I want

01:34:02.470 --> 01:34:05.630
I want to see how you feel about it. Jen, I think,

01:34:05.630 --> 01:34:10.010
does get. I think she earns her redemption arc

01:34:10.010 --> 01:34:13.569
in this in season two, though. Well, that's good.

01:34:13.750 --> 01:34:17.569
So it starts off real, real tough. It's so you

01:34:17.569 --> 01:34:21.710
get part of it with the reunion and then you

01:34:21.710 --> 01:34:24.670
get more fallout when they're like they're ice

01:34:24.670 --> 01:34:27.029
fishing in the beginning of season two. It's

01:34:27.029 --> 01:34:31.369
really bad. I bet that this reunion episode for

01:34:31.369 --> 01:34:34.250
this season would be so good. It's three parts.

01:34:34.949 --> 01:34:39.000
It's very good. Three parts. I don't think they've

01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:41.779
ever had that many. No, no, no. I don't think

01:34:41.779 --> 01:34:43.380
they've ever had less than a three part reunion.

01:34:43.659 --> 01:34:48.359
Oh, really? Every every Salt Lake City. If Salt

01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:50.880
Lake City. I think there might be one season

01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.960
where there's a two part. I could be wrong. But

01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:58.739
no, their reunions are good. Incredible. Is there

01:34:58.739 --> 01:35:02.899
yelling, kicking, screaming, crying? Yes. Incredible.

01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:07.010
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm on my way. So good. But

01:35:07.010 --> 01:35:08.289
everyone starts to get ready for the surprise

01:35:08.289 --> 01:35:17.630
party. Yes. It's at a Topgolf. There's that.

01:35:18.729 --> 01:35:24.489
Strike one. No, if he likes it, I love it. If

01:35:24.489 --> 01:35:31.479
he likes it, I love it. But. It's hip hop. That's

01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:34.640
what really threw me. It's disjointed. Yeah.

01:35:34.739 --> 01:35:38.239
It felt like, okay, what are we doing? How do

01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:42.960
these two themes fit together? I think the party

01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:47.420
was put together very well, though. I think that

01:35:47.420 --> 01:35:52.899
it's very, very clear to me that Jen wanted to

01:35:52.899 --> 01:35:57.000
make Sharif happy. I do wholeheartedly buy that.

01:35:57.180 --> 01:36:03.880
Yeah. So. With that being said, I think the party

01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.140
looked really, really fun. I would have loved

01:36:06.140 --> 01:36:08.260
to have been there. They started to have a little

01:36:08.260 --> 01:36:10.640
dance battle. That was crazy. I thought that

01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:16.420
was so cool. Sharif seems like he's very fun.

01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:18.479
Like, I think he seems very buttoned up. I think

01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:21.189
he seems. Like he's very, very serious a lot

01:36:21.189 --> 01:36:22.829
of the time. But like, I think when he lets loose,

01:36:22.909 --> 01:36:25.649
like that's where I really like love to see Sharif

01:36:25.649 --> 01:36:28.609
like be silly because like he's fun. He's very

01:36:28.609 --> 01:36:30.689
fun. And I'm sure that that's a side of him that

01:36:30.689 --> 01:36:33.909
really only Jen knows because he's he's coach

01:36:33.909 --> 01:36:38.970
Shaw 24 seven. And, you know, he's in the grand

01:36:38.970 --> 01:36:40.550
scheme of things when you're recruiting and you're

01:36:40.550 --> 01:36:42.329
doing all things, all these things, you kind

01:36:42.329 --> 01:36:45.649
of have to be this man. Yeah. And so when he's

01:36:45.649 --> 01:36:48.970
home and he's with his wife. Oh, my God. I love

01:36:48.970 --> 01:36:53.689
it when he is like, yes, my love. And like just

01:36:53.689 --> 01:36:55.789
calls her these beautiful little endearing names.

01:36:56.329 --> 01:36:59.529
It's so beautiful to see that side of him, whereas

01:36:59.529 --> 01:37:01.829
I'm sure very few people ever get to see that.

01:37:01.930 --> 01:37:06.050
Right. So we got to see it. I love it. It was

01:37:06.050 --> 01:37:08.970
such a treat. Yes. He looked like he was having

01:37:08.970 --> 01:37:11.010
a great time. I love that everybody wanted him

01:37:11.010 --> 01:37:12.770
to have a great time. They were all feeding into

01:37:12.770 --> 01:37:16.149
it. Very adorable. You get Whitney. dancing on

01:37:16.149 --> 01:37:18.250
the floor. And I think there's something that

01:37:18.250 --> 01:37:21.010
I think is so fun about Whitney where like, I

01:37:21.010 --> 01:37:26.750
think she's a person who truly is very comfortable

01:37:26.750 --> 01:37:29.869
with herself. And she says, I'm just going to

01:37:29.869 --> 01:37:31.350
do the splits. I'm going to do whatever I want

01:37:31.350 --> 01:37:34.789
to do. And then I think someone like Lisa, who

01:37:34.789 --> 01:37:37.930
is doing the constant pursuit of perfection at

01:37:37.930 --> 01:37:40.670
all things, sees that. And I think she's just

01:37:40.670 --> 01:37:44.369
like, not jealous of it, but it's like, like.

01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.899
She's having too much fun almost. So she makes

01:37:47.899 --> 01:37:49.739
a little dig at Whitney and she says that Whitney

01:37:49.739 --> 01:37:52.880
obviously needs a lot of attention. Well, when

01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:54.760
he's doing that, Justin's just off on his own

01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:56.439
little world, like playing golf. And I was like,

01:37:56.500 --> 01:38:00.600
I love Justin. He's just that is so funny. I

01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:04.039
do. Now, when I first heard in episode one, how

01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:08.560
Whitney and Justin came to be, I did almost immediately

01:38:08.560 --> 01:38:14.199
show a bias in the way of like. Oh, that's really.

01:38:14.500 --> 01:38:17.159
Yes, it's really dramatic, for lack of a better

01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:20.539
word. But the more I see them interacting with

01:38:20.539 --> 01:38:23.680
each other in the way that Whitney talks about

01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:27.100
Justin and her saying things like we're beating

01:38:27.100 --> 01:38:29.779
the odds, like it's I think it's very beautiful.

01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.880
I do, too. I think that those are two people

01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:34.819
that are meant to be together and that the circumstances

01:38:34.819 --> 01:38:38.960
on how they met, if only it were different. Yeah,

01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:43.279
well, that and like, I think. Eileen Davidson

01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:46.399
in Beverly Hills met her husband in the same

01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:48.680
way where they both they both had affairs and

01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:52.300
like they ended up together. If you can be honest

01:38:52.300 --> 01:38:55.039
about that and you could say, listen, didn't

01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:57.899
meet in the most ideal of circumstances, but

01:38:57.899 --> 01:39:03.899
here we are. I can almost accept that. I think

01:39:03.899 --> 01:39:06.220
I can, too. It's not my place to accept it, by

01:39:06.220 --> 01:39:08.399
the way. It's your marriage. Like, absolutely.

01:39:08.859 --> 01:39:11.760
Absolutely. And Heather said. said this best

01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:15.380
in multiple ways where like um heather has mentioned

01:39:15.380 --> 01:39:18.680
in regards to meredith the meredith and seth

01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:20.439
situation she's like it's literally none of my

01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:22.340
business it's not my marriage it's not my business

01:39:22.340 --> 01:39:24.279
jenny even said that at one point too i agree

01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:27.399
um and then also in regards to whitney being

01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:30.340
her true authentic self heather also said it

01:39:30.340 --> 01:39:34.699
um in a i think it was on Justin's birthday episode

01:39:34.699 --> 01:39:38.739
where Heather was like Whitney is so comfortable

01:39:38.739 --> 01:39:41.079
with herself she's in her 30s she knows who she

01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:44.060
is and she is just going to do what she wants

01:39:44.060 --> 01:39:47.159
basically and I think that that's really beautiful

01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:50.479
and I think that in a lot of ways I really respect

01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:53.979
Whitney in this way because I do hold her to

01:39:53.979 --> 01:39:57.770
a high standard And she does meet that standard

01:39:57.770 --> 01:40:01.449
for me. And I like that she does that even being

01:40:01.449 --> 01:40:04.689
younger than the rest. And I think that I just

01:40:04.689 --> 01:40:07.770
have a lot of respect for young, pretty, classy

01:40:07.770 --> 01:40:10.630
people that are also just really fun and true

01:40:10.630 --> 01:40:14.729
and authentic. And also that are in relationships

01:40:14.729 --> 01:40:17.970
for the right reasons and just loves people for

01:40:17.970 --> 01:40:19.909
the right reasons. And I think that Whitney checks

01:40:19.909 --> 01:40:23.130
a lot of those boxes for me. And I just continue

01:40:23.130 --> 01:40:25.380
to love her even. Even through the end of this

01:40:25.380 --> 01:40:30.380
episode, I'm still on Team Whitney. I love Whitney.

01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:32.579
We're getting into the end of the episode. Can

01:40:32.579 --> 01:40:38.060
we please? So Whitney is wasted and she decides

01:40:38.060 --> 01:40:42.100
it's time to talk to Jen. What a nightmare. She

01:40:42.100 --> 01:40:50.840
should have done that stone cold sober. So. Jen

01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:52.819
immediately starts getting worked up as soon

01:40:52.819 --> 01:40:54.920
as she hears Mary's name. Oh, yeah, she did.

01:40:55.199 --> 01:41:01.699
And this tells me it's not about the hospital,

01:41:01.819 --> 01:41:04.520
small comment. It's not about the time that Whitney

01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.520
brought it up, which is like, I don't know if

01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:08.579
Whitney, if there was a good time to bring this

01:41:08.579 --> 01:41:13.359
up. No. But this was definitely the wrong time,

01:41:13.460 --> 01:41:16.220
right? I also think that Whitney went into it

01:41:16.220 --> 01:41:19.159
being incredibly confusing because she was so

01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:21.439
trash wasted. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And like she

01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:23.659
just couldn't get those words out. And if I were

01:41:23.659 --> 01:41:26.539
Jen, too, I'd be like, spit it out, spit it out.

01:41:26.579 --> 01:41:31.180
Right. But she starts hulking out. She starts

01:41:31.180 --> 01:41:35.760
doing the thing. And then she walks away with

01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:41.300
Lisa and. And as Jen is off with Lisa, Whitney

01:41:41.300 --> 01:41:43.699
decides that it's also the right time to tell

01:41:43.699 --> 01:41:45.899
Meredith that Jen has been talking about the

01:41:45.899 --> 01:41:49.140
rumors about Seth and Meredith's marriage. Which

01:41:49.140 --> 01:41:54.159
I love, actually. I was wanting it so bad, honestly.

01:41:54.300 --> 01:42:00.239
What I do love about Whitney. Because say what

01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:06.119
you will. She said, you know what? Here we are.

01:42:06.180 --> 01:42:08.880
Let's just see how much worse it can get. Yeah.

01:42:08.979 --> 01:42:11.079
And like, actually, that's not the right way

01:42:11.079 --> 01:42:13.100
to say it. What I love about Whitney is that.

01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:18.000
Here we are. Let's just go all in. It's already

01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.380
as bad as she's already hulking out. Let's just

01:42:20.380 --> 01:42:25.239
let it all out. Yeah. And I think that it it

01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:29.079
all needed to be said. It all needed, especially

01:42:29.079 --> 01:42:31.579
because I've already said it in this episode.

01:42:31.659 --> 01:42:36.579
I. I can't stand that Jen had opened her mouth

01:42:36.579 --> 01:42:40.539
and blabbed about the Meredith and Seth thing,

01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:42.239
because we all know that Meredith was trying

01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:45.159
to keep that under wraps, trying to be calm and

01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:49.109
cool about it. And now Jen's just. opening her

01:42:49.109 --> 01:42:51.590
big fat mouth about it and i was i thought that

01:42:51.590 --> 01:42:53.590
was so rude and ridiculous so i wanted whitney

01:42:53.590 --> 01:42:56.170
to say something about it i wanted whitney to

01:42:56.170 --> 01:42:58.890
call her out and be like okay well meredith by

01:42:58.890 --> 01:43:01.270
the way uh she's not being a good friend to you

01:43:01.270 --> 01:43:05.409
because this is what's happening in in at some

01:43:05.409 --> 01:43:09.930
other situation where whitney is stone cold sober

01:43:09.930 --> 01:43:12.829
i wanted that i don't care i don't care how drunk

01:43:12.829 --> 01:43:14.989
whitney was because like i don't think whitney

01:43:14.989 --> 01:43:18.909
said anything That wasn't accurate and true.

01:43:19.149 --> 01:43:23.310
Yes, that's true. I I think where the entire

01:43:23.310 --> 01:43:25.109
crux of it comes down to, it was not the right

01:43:25.109 --> 01:43:27.109
place. It was not the right time because then

01:43:27.109 --> 01:43:30.170
Mary or I'm sorry, Jen does the whole thing where

01:43:30.170 --> 01:43:31.909
she's like, I don't want to talk about Mary.

01:43:32.189 --> 01:43:34.609
Like, shut up about Mary. And she's like screaming,

01:43:34.670 --> 01:43:36.670
screaming, screaming, throws the glass, does

01:43:36.670 --> 01:43:40.829
the whole song and dance. Absolutely crazy. And

01:43:40.829 --> 01:43:43.510
like part of that, I do believe because I have

01:43:43.510 --> 01:43:46.359
said this a couple of times about Jen. I think

01:43:46.359 --> 01:43:49.220
some of this is put on for the show. I think

01:43:49.220 --> 01:43:52.399
it's like, do you remember you? I don't I don't

01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:54.560
know if you've ever seen it, but there is a famous

01:43:54.560 --> 01:43:56.399
episode of The Real Housewives of New Jersey

01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:59.939
where Teresa flips the table and does the whole

01:43:59.939 --> 01:44:03.460
like song and dance and like blows up a dinner

01:44:03.460 --> 01:44:06.699
because of Daniel Staub being at the dinner.

01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:13.960
Wow. So I I think we're we're. I don't know that

01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.800
Teresa put that on for the show, but I think

01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:19.579
that was like that became an iconic Real Housewives

01:44:19.579 --> 01:44:25.600
moment. Right. And you. You're like in your head,

01:44:25.659 --> 01:44:27.380
you're like, how do I how do I make a viral moment?

01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:31.439
Like, how do I do this? Right. And Jen, I think

01:44:31.439 --> 01:44:34.750
part of that was put on the show. I also think

01:44:34.750 --> 01:44:37.229
that Jen's a little bit unstable. And so she's

01:44:37.229 --> 01:44:38.489
like throwing the glass. She's doing the thing.

01:44:38.529 --> 01:44:41.329
She's at a top golf. They're not getting their

01:44:41.329 --> 01:44:43.930
deposit back. That's the first thing I thought

01:44:43.930 --> 01:44:46.229
when she broke that glass. I'm like, someone's

01:44:46.229 --> 01:44:47.510
going to have to clean that up. Someone's going

01:44:47.510 --> 01:44:49.170
to have to pay for that. Right. I'm just like,

01:44:49.329 --> 01:44:52.350
okay, you're mad. Okay, we get it. Calm down,

01:44:52.430 --> 01:44:55.270
Gypsy Rose. You're mad. We get it. And so they're

01:44:55.270 --> 01:44:58.630
doing the whole thing. And then as she's storming

01:44:58.630 --> 01:45:01.149
off, she goes to grab Sharif. And she's like,

01:45:01.210 --> 01:45:04.029
we're leaving. We're going. By the way, it's

01:45:04.029 --> 01:45:07.329
his birthday. Yeah. What a nightmare. And so.

01:45:07.869 --> 01:45:11.170
And coming at him so strong. I mean, then the

01:45:11.170 --> 01:45:13.590
last scene, he was he was dancing with everybody.

01:45:13.630 --> 01:45:15.989
He was having such a good time. And then having

01:45:15.989 --> 01:45:18.850
your wife come at you with that energy and that

01:45:18.850 --> 01:45:23.930
demeanor and that volume like. I think that one

01:45:23.930 --> 01:45:26.149
of his first words were, what happened? Like

01:45:26.149 --> 01:45:28.649
he was actually freaked out. Like you're freaking

01:45:28.649 --> 01:45:31.170
out your husband on his birthday. You did all

01:45:31.170 --> 01:45:34.909
of this for him, for you to show that you are

01:45:34.909 --> 01:45:37.229
thinking of him and you want him to be happy.

01:45:37.329 --> 01:45:39.510
She said that multiple times throughout the episode.

01:45:39.609 --> 01:45:42.149
This is for him to see how much I love him and

01:45:42.149 --> 01:45:44.390
how much I care about him. And then you're going

01:45:44.390 --> 01:45:47.529
to turn it all around, make it about you in the

01:45:47.529 --> 01:45:50.050
grand scheme of things, and then make him leave

01:45:50.050 --> 01:45:54.420
his own party. Mind you, in front of 150 guests

01:45:54.420 --> 01:45:57.239
acting like that, I thought it was the most embarrassing

01:45:57.239 --> 01:45:59.500
thing I'd ever seen on television. Well, so then

01:45:59.500 --> 01:46:02.319
you you you have that. And then, like, I don't

01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:04.859
know if it's during this episode or at the beginning

01:46:04.859 --> 01:46:07.560
of the next episode. She ends up in the car with

01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:09.819
Omar trying to calm her down. And then Sharif

01:46:09.819 --> 01:46:13.420
is very visibly mortified. And then Sharif Jr.

01:46:13.720 --> 01:46:15.680
is like, what happened? And then he's like screaming.

01:46:15.699 --> 01:46:17.079
He's like, your mom's just drinking and being

01:46:17.079 --> 01:46:19.829
stupid. And like, this always happens. This isn't

01:46:19.829 --> 01:46:21.329
the first time something like this has happened

01:46:21.329 --> 01:46:26.149
with Jen and Sharif. Really? I know that to be

01:46:26.149 --> 01:46:29.609
the truth. Like he didn't say that. But when

01:46:29.609 --> 01:46:31.489
he's like when he starts saying that, I'm like,

01:46:31.550 --> 01:46:36.189
oh, she's she's done this before. Yes, of course.

01:46:36.189 --> 01:46:38.850
Well, you wouldn't say that if it hasn't happened.

01:46:39.409 --> 01:46:44.979
And what a nightmare. I I do hate. You know,

01:46:44.979 --> 01:46:48.000
after talking about this, I do hate that the

01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:50.479
whole thing happened. Looking at it from a thousand

01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:54.420
feet away as an audience member watching this

01:46:54.420 --> 01:46:57.359
happening. Was it the most entertaining episode

01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:01.359
thus far? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely incredible.

01:47:01.659 --> 01:47:05.340
Was it extremely exhilarating seeing her Hulk

01:47:05.340 --> 01:47:08.439
out and throw a glass at the Topgolf? Yeah, I.

01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:12.920
I would do anything in her Beyonce outfit. I

01:47:12.920 --> 01:47:16.300
would do anything to keep that memory ingrained

01:47:16.300 --> 01:47:19.579
into my brain for the rest of my days. But I

01:47:19.579 --> 01:47:25.340
looking in into it, I feel so bad for everybody

01:47:25.340 --> 01:47:28.800
involved. Like it like you said, this was truly

01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:31.960
mortifying for a lot of people. That would be

01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:35.340
so if. And I like the idea that you have that

01:47:35.340 --> 01:47:38.060
maybe Jen is hyperbolizing a lot of this and

01:47:38.060 --> 01:47:42.300
just really trying to go crazy for the show.

01:47:42.460 --> 01:47:44.500
I love the idea about that, especially because

01:47:44.500 --> 01:47:47.520
it's season one. It's Salt Lake City. We got

01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:50.600
to really amp it up. We're dealing with Beverly

01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:52.380
Hills. We're dealing with New York. We're dealing

01:47:52.380 --> 01:47:55.819
with all this. Put the Real Housewives of Salt

01:47:55.819 --> 01:47:58.619
Lake City on the map. Sure. Love the idea. I

01:47:58.619 --> 01:48:00.399
don't know if this is the way to do it. Don't

01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:04.340
know if that's. the way to do it is it the way

01:48:04.340 --> 01:48:07.800
to do it to get views yeah for sure maybe in

01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:10.600
the way of making yourself look like the good

01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:17.880
guy oh god did you do that so at the end of this

01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:25.460
episode do you still think that Whitney should

01:48:25.460 --> 01:48:27.920
have said that like do you like do you think

01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:30.899
that like It's a it's that we should have waited.

01:48:30.979 --> 01:48:32.319
Like, what do you what do you what would you

01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:33.460
have done differently if you were Whitney? I

01:48:33.460 --> 01:48:39.979
guess, if anything, if I were Whitney, I would

01:48:39.979 --> 01:48:44.180
have not been drunk. Sure. Because I think that

01:48:44.180 --> 01:48:47.199
otherwise Whitney is really good at communicating.

01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:50.579
And you've said this before in other episodes

01:48:50.579 --> 01:48:52.939
with Emma that these some of these women are

01:48:52.939 --> 01:48:55.300
very good communicators. And I saw that in very

01:48:55.300 --> 01:48:57.920
early episodes. I think that Mary and Meredith

01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:01.659
are very introspective people and very empathetic

01:49:01.659 --> 01:49:04.800
people. I saw that in their communicating. Whitney

01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:07.739
is a very good communicator. A lot of these people

01:49:07.739 --> 01:49:10.260
are very good at communicating with each other

01:49:10.260 --> 01:49:13.380
and being honest and being aware. Yes. And a

01:49:13.380 --> 01:49:16.399
lot of them can take accountability. I think

01:49:16.399 --> 01:49:18.909
that Whitney could have done. these things a

01:49:18.909 --> 01:49:21.090
lot better if she were sober I know that she

01:49:21.090 --> 01:49:23.010
thought she needed her liquid courage but then

01:49:23.010 --> 01:49:24.569
she just had too much and then she couldn't work

01:49:24.569 --> 01:49:29.810
with it um I do think that it I would have liked

01:49:29.810 --> 01:49:32.689
the conversation to have been Whitney sober with

01:49:32.689 --> 01:49:35.350
Heather I think that Heather is helpful in those

01:49:35.350 --> 01:49:38.689
situations and with Jen I think that it should

01:49:38.689 --> 01:49:41.649
have been maybe at somebody's house now that

01:49:41.649 --> 01:49:43.869
we've had this full conversation somebody's house

01:49:43.869 --> 01:49:49.140
the three of them not a party of 150 160 people

01:49:49.140 --> 01:49:54.159
no because now jen just looks so embarrassing

01:49:54.159 --> 01:50:00.619
and she looks crazy she looks unhinged yes unhinged

01:50:00.619 --> 01:50:04.239
crazy and sharif is mortified at his own party

01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:07.180
and that's disgusting i feel terrible for him

01:50:07.180 --> 01:50:10.439
and i think that jen should feel so humiliated

01:50:10.439 --> 01:50:13.699
to have acted that way at his own birthday party

01:50:13.699 --> 01:50:16.060
in front of Every single person at that party

01:50:16.060 --> 01:50:18.899
and making him leave his own party. I think that's

01:50:18.899 --> 01:50:22.979
sick. I so you are right. I think it shouldn't

01:50:22.979 --> 01:50:26.199
have been at this party. And I am right that

01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:28.819
I don't think that Whitney should have been drunk

01:50:28.819 --> 01:50:31.800
for it. OK, I think that maybe she needed it,

01:50:31.819 --> 01:50:35.340
but I don't think that it worked out. So sober

01:50:35.340 --> 01:50:38.529
Whitney with Heather, with Jen. At somebody's

01:50:38.529 --> 01:50:40.770
house in the hot tub. In the hot tub. Why not?

01:50:41.409 --> 01:50:43.550
They're having a good time in the hot tubs. Yeah.

01:50:43.649 --> 01:50:48.510
Keep the good times rolling. And of course, it

01:50:48.510 --> 01:50:50.789
got really messy when Lisa and Meredith came

01:50:50.789 --> 01:50:56.130
into it, too. That was wild. Absolutely. Well,

01:50:56.250 --> 01:50:58.649
so and I think we get into the beginning of the

01:50:58.649 --> 01:51:02.569
next episode. Lisa, here's here's the thing.

01:51:02.609 --> 01:51:05.449
Do I believe that Lisa and I'm sorry, Lisa and

01:51:05.449 --> 01:51:09.319
Meredith said to Mary. Yeah, we're scared of

01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:12.640
Jen. Now, do I believe that they said some semblance

01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:16.100
of God, she goes off the rails and like, I don't

01:51:16.100 --> 01:51:18.300
know what to do when she's doing that. I'm not

01:51:18.300 --> 01:51:20.859
willing to do that. Yeah. A million percent by

01:51:20.859 --> 01:51:27.140
that. Yes. Do I think that Mary took that as

01:51:27.140 --> 01:51:36.550
she's scary to be around? Maybe. But. Can. If

01:51:36.550 --> 01:51:39.050
I put myself in Lisa and Meredith's shoes, can

01:51:39.050 --> 01:51:42.229
I see on some level where what I said versus

01:51:42.229 --> 01:51:46.050
what was presented by Mary, how it got lost in

01:51:46.050 --> 01:51:48.930
the translation? Probably. Do I think it's helpful

01:51:48.930 --> 01:51:52.050
on any level for them to go? We're not afraid

01:51:52.050 --> 01:51:54.430
of you. We're not afraid of you. Because then

01:51:54.430 --> 01:51:57.550
that puts someone like Jen in this place of like,

01:51:57.590 --> 01:52:00.250
this is what people are saying about me. I 100

01:52:00.250 --> 01:52:03.050
% believe that Jen believed that. Yeah. Where

01:52:03.050 --> 01:52:07.260
she's like, oh. this is like this is the narrative

01:52:07.260 --> 01:52:09.319
around me and like i'm i'm gonna be labeled this

01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:11.359
person and like i think that's part of like where

01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:13.199
the craziness comes from is like how do i do

01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:16.439
damage control like how do i like and it just

01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:19.300
goes off the rails yeah and i think that at this

01:52:19.300 --> 01:52:22.800
point it would be good to pull mary in because

01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:25.159
mary's never lied about what she said i thought

01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:26.939
it was really funny the first couple of episodes

01:52:26.939 --> 01:52:29.520
where she's like Yes, I did say that she smells

01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.520
like hospital. And what are we going to do about

01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:34.220
it? I said it and I believed it. So what? I think

01:52:34.220 --> 01:52:35.880
back to that episode all the time where she's

01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:37.979
like, yeah, I said that. And you smell like hospital,

01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:44.439
too. I think that was so funny. But she's always

01:52:44.439 --> 01:52:46.420
been honest about what she has said and what

01:52:46.420 --> 01:52:49.060
she's heard. And so at that point, as long as

01:52:49.060 --> 01:52:52.159
we can figure out how to get Jen to a place where

01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:56.569
she has. accepted what has been told to her by

01:52:56.569 --> 01:53:01.390
Whitney and potentially Heather. And now this

01:53:01.390 --> 01:53:04.010
thing with Lisa and Meredith, we have to go to

01:53:04.010 --> 01:53:06.689
the source. Now, Jen should not be going to the

01:53:06.689 --> 01:53:10.909
source. No, absolutely not. But maybe Lisa and

01:53:10.909 --> 01:53:14.750
Meredith, maybe Whitney and Heather. Some some

01:53:14.750 --> 01:53:17.670
collection of those four women should go to Mary

01:53:17.670 --> 01:53:20.229
and be like, Mary, what exactly did you say and

01:53:20.229 --> 01:53:22.409
to who? Because didn't she say it to Whitney

01:53:22.409 --> 01:53:28.840
that. lisa and meredith are afraid of jen yes

01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:34.140
yeah so well whitney heard that and we also have

01:53:34.140 --> 01:53:37.720
like the video i i do vividly remember mary saying

01:53:37.720 --> 01:53:41.149
lisa meredith says that they're afraid but But

01:53:41.149 --> 01:53:43.010
then again, that's not lost in translation. What's

01:53:43.010 --> 01:53:45.149
lost in translation is between what Lisa and

01:53:45.149 --> 01:53:47.470
Meredith said to Mary. So there's a lot of things

01:53:47.470 --> 01:53:50.029
that actually need to be clarified and need to

01:53:50.029 --> 01:53:53.229
be stated from the source herself. But now there's

01:53:53.229 --> 01:53:55.170
just now there's even more drama with Jen and

01:53:55.170 --> 01:53:57.189
Mary. I cannot believe there's any more than

01:53:57.189 --> 01:54:03.949
there could possibly be. And I now I'm sad because

01:54:03.949 --> 01:54:05.930
there's too many women now that are fighting

01:54:05.930 --> 01:54:09.319
and I can't and I can keep track of. who's mad

01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:11.380
at who and who's not mad at who but it makes

01:54:11.380 --> 01:54:12.880
me sad that now there's a lot of people being

01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:14.600
mad at people because now everybody's mad at

01:54:14.600 --> 01:54:16.260
Whitney and I feel bad for Whitney I do feel

01:54:16.260 --> 01:54:18.420
bad for Whitney and that because this does happen

01:54:18.420 --> 01:54:21.800
to Whitney a lot you will see she ends up being

01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:25.479
kind of the group not punching bag but like I

01:54:25.479 --> 01:54:27.039
think it becomes very easy for people to get

01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:28.960
mad at her because and you and I have experienced

01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:32.520
this where it gets it's very very easy to to

01:54:32.520 --> 01:54:35.829
be mad at the people that are just honest But

01:54:35.829 --> 01:54:38.649
you mentioned that Mary's never lied about anything

01:54:38.649 --> 01:54:40.810
she said. And that took me back to one of my

01:54:40.810 --> 01:54:43.069
favorite quotes. Can I share with you one of

01:54:43.069 --> 01:54:45.130
my favorite quotes that Mary's ever said on this

01:54:45.130 --> 01:54:52.449
show? Could you please? It's. Yeah. She's talking

01:54:52.449 --> 01:54:55.529
about Jen's aunt after getting her legs cut off.

01:54:56.310 --> 01:54:58.250
And I have it written down right here. It's.

01:54:59.810 --> 01:55:01.649
I don't know what you want me to do about your

01:55:01.649 --> 01:55:04.890
aunt. Her legs are gone. Why are you getting

01:55:04.890 --> 01:55:07.050
your legs cut off at 60? That means your diet

01:55:07.050 --> 01:55:09.569
is bad. You know, it's just like she didn't eat

01:55:09.569 --> 01:55:18.569
right. Like drink water. I think about that quote

01:55:18.569 --> 01:55:22.770
and I'm not exaggerating once every single day.

01:55:25.989 --> 01:55:32.949
I love her candor. I do, too. More than anything,

01:55:33.090 --> 01:55:36.300
I think. I think about what what are these women's

01:55:36.300 --> 01:55:41.600
best qualities? Mary is one of her very similar

01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:43.840
to Whitney. She's very comfortable with herself

01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:46.159
and her decisions. And she's going to work with

01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:48.600
what she has. And she's going to she's going

01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:52.539
to do what she wants. And she's going to do it

01:55:52.539 --> 01:55:55.100
times 10 and all these things. Another one of

01:55:55.100 --> 01:55:59.000
Mary's great qualities is she's honest. You are

01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:00.619
never not going to know where you stand with

01:56:00.619 --> 01:56:06.340
Miss Mary Cosby. For sure. Thank God. Wow. Who

01:56:06.340 --> 01:56:08.319
are you? Who are you loving? Who are you hating

01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:11.359
these days? In the current season or based on

01:56:11.359 --> 01:56:14.319
where we're at right now? In the current season.

01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:16.899
How about both? Tell me the current season. OK,

01:56:17.039 --> 01:56:20.439
the current season, which is what season six.

01:56:20.699 --> 01:56:23.020
Oh, no, no, no. I meant where we are now is in

01:56:23.020 --> 01:56:25.340
what we're talking about. Season one. Current

01:56:25.340 --> 01:56:28.579
season. Start with one. Give us six. OK, season

01:56:28.579 --> 01:56:33.180
one. I. I don't have an issue with any of them.

01:56:33.220 --> 01:56:37.140
I love all of the women. I think the one that

01:56:37.140 --> 01:56:39.840
I feel the most conflicted about is probably

01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:43.560
Jen because she goes off the rails so much. Yeah.

01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:49.380
But I love all of them. That's kind of how I'm

01:56:49.380 --> 01:56:52.220
starting to feel now. I had some pretty strong

01:56:52.220 --> 01:56:55.140
opinions about each of the girls in the first

01:56:55.140 --> 01:56:57.899
three episodes. But at this point, episode nine,

01:56:58.020 --> 01:57:02.210
all of them have really good. qualities about

01:57:02.210 --> 01:57:05.970
them that make them very endearing to me um i

01:57:05.970 --> 01:57:08.489
especially love whitney if i haven't made that

01:57:08.489 --> 01:57:13.550
clear i love that i love i i love whitney i love

01:57:13.550 --> 01:57:17.449
i think of all of the women i think she would

01:57:17.449 --> 01:57:19.829
be the easiest to be friends with yeah for sure

01:57:19.829 --> 01:57:21.989
between her and heather that's i said heather

01:57:21.989 --> 01:57:24.069
would be the easiest to be friends with too i

01:57:24.069 --> 01:57:31.670
think heather is probably Heather's probably

01:57:31.670 --> 01:57:36.090
someone that I think is a very, very nurturing

01:57:36.090 --> 01:57:39.710
friend. Whitney is probably one of the most present

01:57:39.710 --> 01:57:42.789
friends that I can imagine. She's very present.

01:57:42.829 --> 01:57:47.409
She's very intuitive. She's very self -aware,

01:57:47.670 --> 01:57:51.510
socially aware. I think, like I said, she's a

01:57:51.510 --> 01:57:54.489
great communicator. I think she's very, very

01:57:54.489 --> 01:57:58.229
much a present friend. That's also always going

01:57:58.229 --> 01:58:00.369
to be there for you. I feel like she's like that

01:58:00.369 --> 01:58:02.510
for everybody. She is friends with everybody

01:58:02.510 --> 01:58:05.529
in this season. Obviously, her and Lisa had a

01:58:05.529 --> 01:58:08.649
little turbulence in the first couple episodes

01:58:08.649 --> 01:58:11.350
and stuff like that. But I think that she's been

01:58:11.350 --> 01:58:13.369
there for everybody. Yes. Which makes me sad

01:58:13.369 --> 01:58:16.369
to hear that she's kind of just the one to put

01:58:16.369 --> 01:58:19.329
blame on the most because she's just trying to

01:58:19.329 --> 01:58:22.699
get. everybody to where she's at where everybody

01:58:22.699 --> 01:58:24.319
can be friends with each other as long as we're

01:58:24.319 --> 01:58:27.380
honest we're open and like we all have problems

01:58:27.380 --> 01:58:29.359
and we all have our own lives that have problems

01:58:29.359 --> 01:58:30.859
but then we also have problems in each other

01:58:30.859 --> 01:58:35.779
let's fix it yeah so yeah well how are you feeling

01:58:35.779 --> 01:58:39.300
oh yeah and then for me i agree i in regards

01:58:39.300 --> 01:58:43.279
to who i'm really not like jen's off her rocker

01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:47.880
yes and i can't condone 99 of it right it's been

01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:52.439
pretty tough so Whitney's my number one. Kisses

01:58:52.439 --> 01:58:56.420
all around. Kisses. You said this current season

01:58:56.420 --> 01:58:59.560
is six. Current season is six. How are you feeling?

01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:04.920
Mind you, I don't know a single thing about seasons

01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:07.439
two through six, but I'm willing to hear all

01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:11.359
about it. You're going to learn a lot about Lisa.

01:59:11.739 --> 01:59:18.500
Really? And that makes me. I. Here's the thing.

01:59:18.560 --> 01:59:20.539
I'm always going to have a place for baby gorgeous

01:59:20.539 --> 01:59:25.260
in my heart. I think that this the season six

01:59:25.260 --> 01:59:29.539
is probably the season where she gets the villain

01:59:29.539 --> 01:59:35.399
at it. That's just very hard for me. And she

01:59:35.399 --> 01:59:37.399
has some of it coming because she's she does

01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:40.539
some really mean and rotten things. You're going

01:59:40.539 --> 01:59:47.060
to meet Angie Katzen Davis and Bronwyn. Yeah,

01:59:47.140 --> 01:59:52.039
Angie Kay and Bronwyn. And there, I love both

01:59:52.039 --> 01:59:58.279
of them. I love, love, love both of them. Yeah,

01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:01.739
but I still like all of them. Mary takes a break

02:00:01.739 --> 02:00:03.920
from the show and comes back, and I think that

02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:08.600
she needed that break. And you'll learn a lot

02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:12.180
about that, too. Love. It's a good, good, good,

02:00:12.359 --> 02:00:16.399
good, good show. like it's i i love it i'm so

02:00:16.399 --> 02:00:20.359
excited now coming from somebody who this is

02:00:20.359 --> 02:00:23.100
their first experience ever with real housewives

02:00:23.100 --> 02:00:27.260
if i were to also eventually start watching another

02:00:27.260 --> 02:00:32.619
housewives housewives what new york really yes

02:00:32.619 --> 02:00:36.539
very quick new york uh miami and beverly hills

02:00:37.609 --> 02:00:41.409
In that particular order? I don't think the order

02:00:41.409 --> 02:00:46.409
matters. I think. So Miami is interesting because

02:00:46.409 --> 02:00:49.689
Miami was around, you know, Larsa Pippen is.

02:00:50.689 --> 02:00:52.670
Pippen sounds familiar. Well, Scottie Pippen

02:00:52.670 --> 02:00:57.210
was the NBA player and then Larsa Pippen is her

02:00:57.210 --> 02:01:01.159
ex -wife or his ex -wife. Miami is interesting

02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:03.819
because they took a break and then there was

02:01:03.819 --> 02:01:07.399
so much demand for them to come back. They brought

02:01:07.399 --> 02:01:10.739
it back on Peacock. And I mean, it was lightning

02:01:10.739 --> 02:01:13.239
in a bottle. Like you had like you have like

02:01:13.239 --> 02:01:17.640
real, real, real life stuff happening. And I

02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:22.180
think this is I say Beverly Hills, New York and

02:01:22.180 --> 02:01:26.539
Miami, because those are the three cities. Aside

02:01:26.539 --> 02:01:29.479
from Salt Lake City, where. Actually, no, it's

02:01:29.479 --> 02:01:33.079
like Potomac, Potomac, New York, Miami, because

02:01:33.079 --> 02:01:35.579
I think you get the realest of the three of those

02:01:35.579 --> 02:01:40.260
cities. Really? Beverly Hills, I think, is like

02:01:40.260 --> 02:01:45.680
is the iconic like. The pinnacle of wealth, but

02:01:45.680 --> 02:01:48.979
I don't think you get their real lives. I say

02:01:48.979 --> 02:01:53.439
that now I am doing the season. Lord have mercy.

02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:57.859
It's like season 15 premiere with. Husbands watching

02:01:57.859 --> 02:02:03.180
Housewives. And I'm going to go into that knowing

02:02:03.180 --> 02:02:05.239
that like I feel very differently about this

02:02:05.239 --> 02:02:09.159
show than Scott and Jeff do. Perfect. But yeah,

02:02:09.260 --> 02:02:13.340
Miami, New York and Potomac. Amazing. Where's

02:02:13.340 --> 02:02:15.720
Potomac? Maryland. Maryland? Right outside of

02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:22.470
D .C. Really? That sounds classy, chic. Well,

02:02:22.529 --> 02:02:25.109
so the interesting thing about all these shows

02:02:25.109 --> 02:02:28.470
is that none of them were started as housewives.

02:02:28.590 --> 02:02:30.489
They were all like so Potomac was supposed to

02:02:30.489 --> 02:02:35.489
be a show about. Potomac was supposed to be a

02:02:35.489 --> 02:02:38.729
show about like etiquette or something. New York

02:02:38.729 --> 02:02:40.890
was supposed to be a show about like moms in

02:02:40.890 --> 02:02:44.109
New York. Beverly Hills was never supposed to

02:02:44.109 --> 02:02:46.529
exist. Dallas was supposed to be a show about.

02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:51.640
Like the charity scene in Dallas or something

02:02:51.640 --> 02:02:54.420
like the business that goes into charity. Salt

02:02:54.420 --> 02:02:56.000
Lake City was just supposed to be about like

02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:58.199
businesses in Salt Lake City because like it

02:02:58.199 --> 02:03:02.880
kind of all started around Lisa's marketing business

02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:09.180
and beauty lab. And then I want to say like Miami,

02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:12.279
D .C. and Orange County were the only ones that

02:03:12.279 --> 02:03:14.500
were ever started as like this is going to be

02:03:14.500 --> 02:03:18.760
like real housewives. Really? Yeah. what a crazy

02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:21.600
shift yeah it's so like that's the interesting

02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:25.159
thing about all of it and i love i love these

02:03:25.159 --> 02:03:27.979
shows like this is like this like i like people

02:03:27.979 --> 02:03:32.359
are like oh it's so stupid i love it anyway amazing

02:03:32.359 --> 02:03:35.500
uh did you have a good time again i had an incredible

02:03:35.500 --> 02:03:37.640
time are we are we doing this again absolutely

02:03:37.640 --> 02:03:41.430
whatever whatever episode We're leading. We're

02:03:41.430 --> 02:03:43.850
leaning towards. I'm watching the next episode

02:03:43.850 --> 02:03:46.350
and then we'll do it again. Perfect. Gorgeous.

02:03:46.390 --> 02:03:52.569
How many episodes are in the season? 18. Oh,

02:03:52.710 --> 02:03:58.670
good. Yeah. OK, great. Cool. Well, just come

02:03:58.670 --> 02:04:01.350
back again next week. I'll be your listener.

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