stop optimizing, start writing to your prison penpal.

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And this is Bestie approved. What's the last

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song you listened to? Oh, I don't even have to

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look. I know for a fact it was The Subway by

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Chapel Roan, because I swear to God, I'm hitting

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those notes every time I'm in the car. I love

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that. I'm getting signed soon. Watch out. Mine

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is Love Bites by Nelly Furtado and Tuck. How

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do you say it? It's not Tove Lo. How do you say

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it? Tove Lo. No, it's, like, Tuve Lo. Tove Lo.

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I don't remember. I don't know. She's, like,

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in a bunch of songs you don't realize that she's

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in. She's also, like, I guess, like, a really

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talented writer, too. Yeah. Like, what was the

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girl that wrote? Bonnie McKee or whatever her

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name was that wrote a ton of songs for, like,

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really famous, famous, famous artists. Like,

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she's, like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I love.

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Love. But I'm really glad Natalie Furtado is

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making a comeback. Yeah, that's actually what

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I was going to complain about today is the comment

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section under Natalie Furtado's latest live performance.

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Oh, OK. Are we are we jumping right into complaining

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then? We can. We can. I'm still moving stuff

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to next week. Dear listener, just know that Emma

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and I have a shared note of. It's the most chaotic

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stream of thoughts, to be a thousand percent

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honest with you. But I find myself adding things

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randomly every time I see a TikTok, just like

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with a thing that's like just it just says what

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in the actual fuck next to it constantly. So

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that's what we're working with today. But we're

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going to jump right into complaining. So, Emma,

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take it away. My pregnancy update can also just

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be complaining. My back hurts. My hips hurt.

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I'm over it, and I still have allegedly 18 weeks

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left. I'm over it. Well, 17 by the time you hear

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this. But still, I'm done. I'm ready. I can't

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do it. Okay, but getting into what I actually

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want to complain about, I see Nelly Furtado.

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Performing live. Looking stunning. Looking...

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As incredible as she did in 2003. Yes. Just a

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little older and perhaps a little larger because

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she's 20 years older. And all of the comments,

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all of them, all of them, all of them were either

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calling her fat or... Defend people trying to

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defend her against the people calling her fat.

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Are you people OK? Like, are you OK? She looks

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so good. She's literally stunning. Her voice

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has never been better. I could not believe what

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I was seeing. If you have not seen this on TikTok,

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all you have to look up is Nelly Furtado. It

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is insane, actually. I struggle with this. Because.

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How? No, no, no, no. I struggle with like this

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idea that like people need to look the same as

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they did forever. Like it's, it's, it's clinically

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impossible. I mean, like you've got Kim Kardashian

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who doesn't look the same way she looked in 2007

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and no one's batting an eye at that. She has

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never looked the same two years in a row. But

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like you have Nelly Furtado who. Has children.

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Has children. dropped off the radar for a while

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like whatever and then she she makes a comeback

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and it's like did you think she was going to

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look the same that she looked when she was 22

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years old singing i'm like a bird it's like i

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struggle with that like that entire mindset like

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what are you holding on to well it's like i don't

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know you have people like dolly parton she's

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aged But she looks relatively the same, just

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older. And people don't say anything. People

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feel the freedom to comment on people's weight.

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And I'm over it. I'm over it. I think it's disgusting.

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I agree. Also, this is why we have an Ozempic

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epidemic where you have people who are 150 pounds

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taking Ozempic. These celebrities who don't need

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it and now they look weird. Well, so... We'll

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get into the Ozempic thing eventually, because

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I struggle with. It's a little bit of a Pandora's

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box thing for me with the Ozempic thing where

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it's like, OK, we have found. Ostensibly a medicine

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that. Is reversing an obesity epidemic, it is

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it's they found incredible use cases for diabetes,

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diabetes for addiction, for. Anti -aging benefits

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because they're they're calling it the fountain

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of youth now because it's actually slowing down

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like cellular aging. They've found it's slowing.

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I'm so happy for the people who are benefiting

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from it genuinely. Sure. But there I've seen

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so many celebrities who are not even on the verge

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of overweight and they just look awful. Awful.

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it's the olympic face that's what you're it's

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that the face that you get who was it i don't

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even want to like say who i think it was because

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i'm again i don't think it's cool that we think

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it's free reign to comment on people's weight

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and bodies especially women but like you're too

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skinny and what i fear is going to happen is

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we fall back into heroin chic that that does

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scare me and we have eating disorders out the

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wazoo girls who haven't eaten in four days like

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i can't well it's it's scary because there's

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going to come a point in time where people say

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well there's no excuse like you you should be

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skinny like you you've got um That's another

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point I want to make about that, actually. Go

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ahead. With the Ozempic thing, with it being

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like pretty readily available. So easily accessible.

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If you have insurance and if you don't have insurance

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and you need the money to pay for it, it's going

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to be a poor man's disease to be fat. Oh, that

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is what I fear. That's just what I see. No, that's

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a fair point. But the other side of that, too,

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is I was talking to my doctor, the one Nancy

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works at, the American hero that saved the children

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from a fire. I think about her a lot. But that

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doctor that she works for was talking about how

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what they're starting to find is like the compounding

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pharmacies that we've known people to go through

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to get semaglutide and trizepatide. It's all

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counterfeit. Every bit of it. And, like, I don't

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understand how that's even possible. My mom works

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in pharmaceuticals. In production, not, like,

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at a pharmacy. Compounding pharmacies are a problem.

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Oh, yeah. They are a huge problem, and they're

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not regulated the way that other places that

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make them real. They don't follow FDA guidelines.

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Right. It's scary. Very scary. And there are

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some people who are like, well, I have to get

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my medicine from this compounding pharmacy. It's

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like the only place to get it or whatever. So

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I had the same thing when I was when I had to

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be on testosterone because my body simply wasn't

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producing enough of it. And you it's impossible

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to get it from a regular pharmacy like. So I

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don't know what the answer to it is. And like

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I. I struggle with this whole conversation around

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like where you should and shouldn't be getting

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medications because I think that it speaks to

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a larger issue that is the broken medical system

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in the United States. Yeah, it's just a symptom

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of the actual disease. Right. But I also believe

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that like you shouldn't. You should not be able

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to open the doors of a business and buy. And

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this is this is not anything other than like

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what what research has shown us. We are finding

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that. Fake medication is coming out of certain

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regions of Asia. And you shouldn't be able to

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buy that and sell that in a pharmacy to people

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that are desperate for medication. That is fucking

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insane to me. You're going to give a sugar pill

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to someone who thinks they're taking an aspirin,

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but they're diabetic and then they spike. And

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now what? Is the compounding pharmacy going to

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pay that ER bill? No. No, because you can't get

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them. Right. It's just so weird. I don't understand

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why it's allowed. Anyway, moving on. What do

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you want to complain about? What am I complaining

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about? Have you noticed that stores are getting

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rid of baskets? Literally, no. I saw that. I

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saw that you put that in the note and I was like,

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OK, but I just used a basket at Meijer. OK, the

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Meijer by your house has them. The Meijer on

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East Washington Street and the Meijer in Southport

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do not have them anymore. Not to generalize,

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but are we sure they're not being stolen? Entire.

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I don't know. Maybe they are. I don't know. But

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like that. OK, so like. You know, when you go

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into a store, this is what I'm complaining about,

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dear listener, you go into a store and you have

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the option of either a cart or a basket. And

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I prefer to get the basket and the Kroger and

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Nora is the same way. They don't have the baskets

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anymore. So I find myself I don't like carts

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because and this is. This is a peek into my neurodivergence.

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I can't handle a cart that like if the wheel

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on it is like bumpy, I cannot. It's a trigger

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for me. You just test it right by the line of

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carts. And if it's wonky, you get a different

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cart. That's what I do every single time. But

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like you've never been walking through the store

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and it just starts getting bumpy. No, because

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I've done it back and forth five times by the

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carts. And I will not take a cart. I've watched

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the wheels. I know what to look for. When I'm

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testing my carts at the Whole Foods, at the Meijer,

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anywhere. People are tuning out so hard right

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now. I feel like people understand this. I test

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my carts. So if you ever see like a stray cart

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that's just like by the rest of the carts, never

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use it. OK, never use it. Someone decided it

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was not worthy. OK, well, so maybe I'll start

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testing my carts, but because I can't handle

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a bumpy wheel. And so what I've resorted to is

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literally like anything my little arms can carry

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is what I end up buying. That's just where we're

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at. I hate a basket because it gets so heavy.

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I guess you're not like carrying a purse. I always

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have my big ass 20 pound purse. And so if I have

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a basket full of stuff in my other arm, like

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I am weighed down. I am not happy. That is a

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lot for a woman that has like a purse and a whole

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thing. It's a lot. And you always have a fairly

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big purse. One thing about me, I love a big purse.

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You do. I've always been that way. Even like

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in high school when I had a backpack, I needed

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a big purse too. See, I love a belt bag. I love

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more than anything a Lululemon belt bag. I've

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started using mine more, but even when I use

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my belt bag, my whole purse is in my car and

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I just take what I want from my purse and put

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it in my belt bag. It's probably not a bad idea.

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So like you're not, you don't have too much in

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your bag with you though. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway.

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We've got we don't have a time because we moved

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a lot to the next couple of weeks, but. We'll

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start with what I've found myself falling in

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love with. Do you get the I know I've sent them

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to you before, so I don't know if it's changed

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your algorithm. Do you get like the random videos

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like from prisoners in Idaho on TikTok? I see

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a lot of videos of prisoners on Twitter, but

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not on TikTok. So my TikTok feed is full of them

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because it knows I'm single. And I love I love

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a guy that looks like he'd go to prison. Like,

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let's just call it what it is. But they keep

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showing up on my for you page. And it's like,

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hey, I'm this guy. I'm getting out in like eight

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months. Write me a letter. And it's like always

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for that app that you can put money on or whatever.

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And I have found myself like. do i say pay jay

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pay that's yeah and i'm like do i send them money

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like do i tell like do i tell them i'm in love

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with them because they're so hot but also i thought

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they weren't supposed to have phones no it's

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like i think it's like a little video booth or

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something they have set up because it's always

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from the same perspective it's always in the

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same place like what account is it even on i've

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never looked like do they have it's hang on i'll

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tell you exactly what it's called it's called

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prison friendship right i knew that it was like

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not their individual accounts no it's like one

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thing that keeps posting all them but they're

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all like look at this man he's so hot i will

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have you know you're not the only person to do

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that they're like it's a common thing with like

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serial killers and people who have done really

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awful things they'll like get girlfriends via

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letters. Like, people will write them fan letters.

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Oh, see, I don't want... And that's been happening

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for decades. I don't want a murderer. I want

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someone who's, like, in prison for, like, maybe

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petty theft or something. Right. Or, like...

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Ooh, a car thief. A grand theft auto. Or, like...

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Securities fraud. I could deal with that. Ugh,

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so boring. I mean, I don't want violent criminals,

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like unless it's like standing up for like tax

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evaders. I would. Yeah, I don't care about that.

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So like, yeah, no. Listen, dear listener, it's

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hard to be a grown up. It's hard to file your

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taxes. Dear listener, if you know any hot prisoners,

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please send them my way. It's Travis at Travis

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and Emma dot com. Listen, it's fine. What else?

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What else is on the list? So, okay. I like both

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of these questions and I want to answer both

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of them. Okay. I want to know what colors you

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think math, English, social studies, and science

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are. Well, science was always green. Okay. Social

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studies was blue. No. English was, no, no, no,

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I'm sorry. English was blue. Social studies was

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yellow. Math was red. Right. So wildly incorrect

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to me. OK, well, we're talking about like what

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folder you would use for each class. Like it's

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a very individual question. No, my school. So

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this popped up on TikTok and like people are

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like fighting in the comments about it. My school

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like you had you had to do this. Like teachers

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mandated which folders were which colors. I wish

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you could tell me what folder I have to use.

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No. So science is green for sure. And it was

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always like, I don't know why every green folder

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is like a loud chartreuse of a green. But anyway,

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English is purple. Math is blue. Social studies

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is red. Okay. Because that is how my brain works.

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But like your school didn't tell you what colors

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to be. No, I wish they would. They stopped being

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that specific after like elementary school. No,

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this was a thing clear up until like probably

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my sophomore year of high school. And then because

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I remember I had a Captain America folder that

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like I got like it got sent home with me. And

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the way that my papa like threw a fit with Mr.

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Lindsay being like, you're out of your ever loving

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mind. Like this was. Probably fifth or sixth

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grade, but like he was just like you were out

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of your ever loving mind if you think that like

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this is acceptable. But yeah, no, like it was.

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I think this was a mandated thing. Why they would

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do that. I mean, I guess if you're keeping them

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at school, but like we carried all of our stuff

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around. I don't know. Triton was weird about

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a lot of things. That is so weird. I remember

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I had one year these folders that like. If you

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rub them with a pencil, it would go. And if you

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shifted it, like the picture on it shifted. I

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hated those with every fiber by being because

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I couldn't handle the sound they made. The noise

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was really bad. It was really bad. It was really

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bad. Did you ever get in trouble for having trapper

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keepers at school? We weren't allowed to have

00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:20.690
trapper keepers like the zipper. I never saw

00:18:20.690 --> 00:18:25.690
anyone get in trouble for it. But on on our school

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supply list, it would say. All caps and bold,

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no Trapper Keepers. Yeah. What is the problem

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with the Trapper Keeper? I don't understand it.

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What is a Trapper Keeper? A Trapper Keeper was

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like, it was like a big binder that you, that

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like zipped up, but like you could keep like

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pencils and like a bunch of stuff inside of it.

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Like it had like pockets for everything. And

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like in today's age, I'll buy that. Like you

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can hide a phone in there or you can hide like

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whatever in there. But like in 2004, I thought

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it was a wild concept to say don't bring this

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to school because like. Unless it was like an

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elitist thing, it's like, oh, I can afford a

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trapper keeper and you can't because that was

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a very serious problem. In fifth grade, we all

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had to have this specific brand of binder that

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was. essentially the same thing it was like a

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binder that would zip up and it had pockets but

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that was for extended learning gifted kids it

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was horrible wild yeah did you ever have the

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the like agenda things or whatever that you would

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like write everything down and they would send

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it home when your parents had to sign it oh my

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parents never had to sign one oh My granny and

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papa just signed mine every single week. Actually,

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they had to sign our reading log, but that was

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it. Oh, that was all part of our agenda, yeah.

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Oh, no. But, like, ours, I think, was just to

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say, like, oh, yeah, we know what homework our

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kid's doing or whatever. And the way that, like,

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we'll get into this one day, but, like, I wish

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I could, like... this is such a specific memory

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that my aunt tanya and i both have of like sitting

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at the kitchen table and like my granny would

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be down and and this like happened to us independently

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and we both corroborate this story for each other

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so like we know it happened like to us individually

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but like My granny would just be sitting down

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like watching like TV or whatever. And my Pavel

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would just be up in the kitchen screaming at

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us about our math homework. And I'm like, he

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doesn't need to sign this because I like I had

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the trauma of screaming. I do know that some

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places did that because I had I was one of those

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kids that got on like a little bus that took

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you to a daycare after school. And I distinctly

00:20:56.779 --> 00:20:59.670
remember this little girl. forging her mother's

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initials every day. Which, like, go off, Quinn.

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I don't know. Like, if you're not failing...

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I mean, that's my argument. It's like, I don't

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see why the parent needs to sign it if, like,

00:21:14.369 --> 00:21:15.990
the kid's doing the homework. You know there's

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a problem if the kid's not doing the homework.

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That's the long and short of it. Like, that is

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how you know there's a problem. Also, this is...

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I fully forgot about this. Speaking of my aunt

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Tanya, my cousin Taylor started listening to

00:21:28.329 --> 00:21:31.609
the show. She loves us. Hi, Taylor. Josh, I love

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you. What's next? Have you seen this idea of.

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And it's not necessarily related to AI, but I

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think it. consistently comes back to ai of people

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needing to automate and like optimize everything

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in their lives on tiktok yes it reminds me so

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very much of the early 2000s absolute pinnacle

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cinema smart house yes yes which i loved but

00:22:03.710 --> 00:22:07.569
do we not remember the end of smart yes we're

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the mom from um oh god what was that show um

00:22:12.619 --> 00:22:15.059
Was she the mom on another show? She was the

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mom on... Fuck, what was that show? She looks

00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:20.559
like the mom on Malcolm in the Middle, but I

00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.579
don't think that's her. I can find out. She's

00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:28.480
the mom... She's on Futurama. She's the one -eyed

00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:32.839
lady on Futurama. And she's also... Yeah, that's

00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.180
her voice. Oh! Not early 2000s. It came out in

00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:42.240
1999. Did it really? That's... crazy actually

00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.079
it was the show where like the dad hated his

00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:53.519
family it's the dad from um modern family what

00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:58.039
they were married on this show her name was peggy

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hang on known for future married with children

00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:06.319
with children that is not my phil dunphy No,

00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:08.680
no, no, no. Like the, the grandpa, like, uh,

00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:13.380
yes, yes. I thought you meant Phil. No, no, no.

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I'm sorry. Like the, like, uh, Sofia Vergara's

00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.460
husband on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh

00:23:19.460 --> 00:23:24.220
my God. But yeah, she was like ruining lives

00:23:24.220 --> 00:23:26.619
cause she wanted to take over. But like, this

00:23:26.619 --> 00:23:30.730
all came from. and like there there are a lot

00:23:30.730 --> 00:23:32.809
of things that like i know i get into that not

00:23:32.809 --> 00:23:34.910
everyone gets into and like and i've talked to

00:23:34.910 --> 00:23:37.630
him about this before where like i've seen in

00:23:37.630 --> 00:23:41.170
like reddit groups about podcasting like oh are

00:23:41.170 --> 00:23:43.150
there ways to like automate like the editing

00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:46.130
of my show and i love editing the podcast i love

00:23:46.130 --> 00:23:50.430
like i i love all of it and like at this and

00:23:50.430 --> 00:23:52.809
i think this triggered me because like i also

00:23:52.809 --> 00:23:56.309
saw this like laundry folding robot on tiktok

00:23:56.309 --> 00:23:58.210
and this guy bought it and he was like oh yeah

00:23:58.210 --> 00:23:59.970
like i bought it to like automate my life and

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it frees up so much time for me and i also love

00:24:03.029 --> 00:24:05.170
folding laundry like that's actually a thing

00:24:05.170 --> 00:24:09.549
i genuinely enjoy doing but you use the time

00:24:09.549 --> 00:24:13.440
cleaners what When I get the tide, when I pick

00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:15.759
up my tide cleaner stuff, I refold all my laundry.

00:24:16.059 --> 00:24:19.599
That's absolutely insane. That is insane. I have

00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:21.660
a little folding board that I fold everything

00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:24.099
from. I love it so much and I won't be attacked

00:24:24.099 --> 00:24:26.839
for it. Dear listener, I also don't do my own

00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:28.539
laundry. I take everything to the tide cleaner

00:24:28.539 --> 00:24:31.559
and when I get it home, I refold it and I put

00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.119
it away. But my question is, is like, okay, so

00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:36.559
you're automating everything in your life. You're

00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.400
optimizing everything. Everything is so efficient.

00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.819
Like you have, you've no inefficiencies in your

00:24:40.819 --> 00:24:42.910
life. What are you freeing up your time to do?

00:24:43.750 --> 00:24:50.170
To scroll on TikTok. I don't know. And the girls

00:24:50.170 --> 00:24:53.990
on the deep dive with June Diane Rayfield and

00:24:53.990 --> 00:24:57.210
Jessica St. Clair, they talk about this a lot

00:24:57.210 --> 00:24:59.269
where it's like, I don't want to automate my

00:24:59.269 --> 00:25:01.490
life. I don't want to optimize. I just want to

00:25:01.490 --> 00:25:05.369
sit. And sometimes that's just okay. And I don't

00:25:05.369 --> 00:25:10.240
need everything to be. Six Sigma black belt course

00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.359
in in lean management. Right. I have talked about

00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.420
this in my personal life. We have lost the plot

00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:24.420
on like enjoying our lives in general. Yes. Dilly

00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:28.079
dallying. Like. Frolicking. Everything is a chore.

00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.019
Everything. People are so focused on getting

00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:35.660
things done that they forget to enjoy anything

00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:39.640
in their lives at all. And it's sad to watch.

00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:44.279
Like, just turn on some music while you fold

00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:50.060
your laundry. You'll enjoy it more. Or. Except

00:25:50.060 --> 00:25:52.039
that, like, this is a part of life. And if you

00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.759
don't want to do it, like, hire a housekeeper.

00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:56.200
Do whatever you want to do. I don't care about

00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.400
that. But, like, this is a thing that, like,

00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.599
normal people do. Yeah. You know what fixed me?

00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:03.980
What? Sorry. No, please, go ahead. Finish. No,

00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:08.180
no, no, go ahead. Is the idea of practicing gratitude.

00:26:08.859 --> 00:26:12.759
It sounds so corny and so woo -woo until you

00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.700
actually do it. Because, like... I hate doing

00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:18.200
the laundry too. But if you sit there and you're

00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.900
like, I'm so grateful to have clean clothes.

00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:27.019
I'm so grateful to be able to do this. It like

00:26:27.019 --> 00:26:29.180
completely changes the way you think about everything.

00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:33.619
Like the dishes. That's another thing that's

00:26:33.619 --> 00:26:37.119
like Sisyphus pushing his boulder. It sucks if

00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.960
you decide to look at it that way. Or you can

00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:44.430
say. myself and my family are fed and this is

00:26:44.430 --> 00:26:48.470
the outcome of that and i'm grateful to be able

00:26:48.470 --> 00:26:52.450
to do this right it like completely changed how

00:26:52.450 --> 00:26:55.390
i view stuff like that i think that's amazing

00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:57.890
that like you got there but i'm just but like

00:26:57.890 --> 00:27:00.609
i i think that speaks to a larger thing of like

00:27:00.609 --> 00:27:05.099
this obsession with like we have to be grateful

00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:07.200
or we have to be efficient like we can't just

00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.799
be normal people like do you know what i mean

00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:14.319
yeah and i think it's it's like the work culture

00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.700
we've cultivated that grind set thing yeah yeah

00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:21.160
because you go to work and for nine hours a day

00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:22.900
let's be honest no one's working eight hours

00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:25.400
everyone's working nine at a minimum yeah yeah

00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:29.640
The whole time, everything is like, how can you

00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.960
get this done faster? How can you get this done

00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:37.019
better and faster? It's never quality. It's never,

00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:43.599
how can we improve the quality of your work?

00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:47.259
How can we improve your language skills? How

00:27:47.259 --> 00:27:49.900
can we improve your communication? No, it's how

00:27:49.900 --> 00:27:53.960
fast can you get this done to an acceptable level?

00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:57.380
Mm hmm. And so I think it's like hard to turn

00:27:57.380 --> 00:28:00.779
that off when you get home. Well, and it's not

00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:02.539
to mention everyone's exhausted when they get

00:28:02.539 --> 00:28:05.299
home. Well, that and like what I struggle with

00:28:05.299 --> 00:28:06.960
is like because I talked to my doctor about this

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.859
recently when I had a checkup after I busted

00:28:09.859 --> 00:28:12.079
my head open and he came in and he like he was

00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:13.740
just like, OK, like, did I answer all your questions

00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.119
today? And I was like, yeah, everything's fine.

00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:17.779
He goes and he like he and I have a very good

00:28:17.779 --> 00:28:20.000
relationship. Like he's he's such a good doctor.

00:28:20.299 --> 00:28:23.480
But he was. Talking to me about like, yeah, you

00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:28.559
know, they did this study about. About if if

00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.220
a doctor spends, I think, on average, three more

00:28:31.220 --> 00:28:35.559
minutes with a patient, satisfaction rates skyrocket

00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.559
with the medical industry, like and it's just

00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.640
like and it doesn't matter like what the doctor

00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.619
did. It's like, did the patient feel heard? Did

00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:45.240
the patient feel like they were valued? And on

00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.779
the other side of that. These these major health

00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:51.299
conglomerates in Indiana, there are like three

00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:54.220
of them. It's IU Health Community and Ascension

00:28:54.220 --> 00:28:56.920
St. Vincent. And I think there's a Riverview.

00:28:58.420 --> 00:29:02.680
You've got like those businesses that are saying.

00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:05.460
And my doctor told me this, he goes, I'm expected

00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:08.900
at most to spend 15 minutes with the patient.

00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:11.720
Because it's a numbers game. They want the maximum

00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.460
number of patients because if you're not going

00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:16.500
to their hospital, you're going somewhere else.

00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.519
And like that, that's a problem with insurance

00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.660
companies and the whole privatized hospital thing

00:29:23.660 --> 00:29:26.839
is that we're not worried about your quality

00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.519
of care. We're worried about getting you in and

00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:30.940
out. How many people can we get through the door?

00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:35.210
You're a number. Yeah. And that for me is. I'm

00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:37.190
like, where do you find the balance? Because

00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:39.410
it's and it comes back to the same thing of like

00:29:39.410 --> 00:29:41.670
where, yeah, corporations are evil, but like

00:29:41.670 --> 00:29:43.869
they still have to serve the people that they.

00:29:45.170 --> 00:29:47.609
That are like patronizing them. So I guess for

00:29:47.609 --> 00:29:49.250
me, it's just like, OK, where do you find the

00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:55.099
balance of like? Of profit and. acknowledging

00:29:55.099 --> 00:29:57.220
that these people are the only reason you have

00:29:57.220 --> 00:29:59.759
a functioning business i well that's the breakdown

00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:07.720
for me is like okay okay so you're operating

00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.880
as a hospital in this very capitalist society

00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:17.539
so you need to draw people in as a patient i

00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:23.490
am much more likely You were smacking that thing,

00:30:23.549 --> 00:30:28.970
too. Have your drink. No, go. Are you muted?

00:30:29.230 --> 00:30:33.990
Oh. I was, like, just waiting. Okay. No, no,

00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:38.289
no. Okay. Right. So you're a hospital operating

00:30:38.289 --> 00:30:40.430
in this capitalist society. You need to draw

00:30:40.430 --> 00:30:44.539
patients into you to choose your hospital. I

00:30:44.539 --> 00:30:47.980
can only speak for myself, but I am so much more

00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:51.900
likely to choose you based off of people saying

00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:55.759
they've had wonderful, careful experiences there

00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.799
versus you saying you had 89 ,000 patients. Like,

00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:02.640
I don't care how many patients you had. I care

00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.880
about what people have to say about you. Do you

00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:09.200
want to know something I think is wild? Is hospitals

00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:13.339
having marketing departments in general? Well,

00:31:13.819 --> 00:31:18.019
yeah, because it's like I understand it to some

00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:21.960
extent because it's like I do believe hospitals

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.539
and health care systems should be involved in

00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:27.160
the community and be accessible in that way.

00:31:27.259 --> 00:31:30.059
But they shouldn't be running commercials. No.

00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:33.299
If anything, all you need is patient testimonies

00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:37.480
and that's it. Right. But for me, I'm just like

00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:45.569
it is wild to me that. There are there are hospitals

00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:47.710
that are like we're the number one choice for

00:31:47.710 --> 00:31:50.829
like X, Y and Z, like whatever. And I'm like,

00:31:50.829 --> 00:31:53.490
let me tell you where I'm not interested where

00:31:53.490 --> 00:31:55.369
anyone's the number one choice of when I have

00:31:55.369 --> 00:31:58.009
busted the back of my head open when I am mid

00:31:58.009 --> 00:32:00.869
stroke. I'm like, OK, where can I get to now?

00:32:02.029 --> 00:32:05.450
Yeah. And if anything, if I know that you're

00:32:05.450 --> 00:32:07.890
the number one that's doing all of this, I'm

00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:11.359
assuming you are too busy. that like that's what

00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:16.220
you put in my head i don't know but yeah that's

00:32:16.220 --> 00:32:18.500
but and i don't know how we got here from this

00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:20.660
like whole optimization thing but like i just

00:32:20.660 --> 00:32:26.039
i my dear listener i ask you stop and smell the

00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.420
roses stop and go for a walk like not everything

00:32:29.420 --> 00:32:32.799
needs to be enjoy your life you literally get

00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.059
one if you get more than one you won't remember

00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:40.960
this one anyway so please Like, I just can't

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.480
understand. Like, I guess my question is, who

00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.960
is it for? Like, who are you optimizing for?

00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.779
And I do. Let me end with this. I do see the

00:32:50.779 --> 00:32:55.500
argument for. People with disabilities, obviously.

00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:59.099
If you're in chronic pain or if something is

00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.960
extremely difficult for you to do, I want that

00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:03.799
to be automated for you. That's improving the

00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.839
quality of your life. Yes. That's very, very

00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.519
different from what I'm talking about. Yeah,

00:33:08.539 --> 00:33:10.200
I just wanted to throw that out there because

00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.079
I didn't want to come off as, like, ableist,

00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.839
as, like, you should fold your laundry. No, I

00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.740
think, no, no, no, no. We're not saying that

00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:21.119
at all. No, dear listener, if it's improving

00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.180
the quality of your life, yes, please, by all

00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:28.680
means. But I do think your average Joe shouldn't

00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.700
be buying a robot to walk his dog. No. You need

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:34.200
to walk your dog because you need the fresh air

00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.220
and you need to, like, exist. I also think that

00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:43.140
would help with, like, being such an individualistic

00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.759
society. you know, we've talked about it before

00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.960
a hundred times, but people are only in it for

00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.720
themselves. There's no like community. Okay.

00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.059
We're back. We're back. What else? Oh, one thing

00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:01.000
I want to talk about. Have you seen the breakdown

00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:07.319
that is the canceled podcast? No, what's happening

00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.780
there? Like, cause I've heard, I keep hearing

00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:12.940
about it. I don't know what's going on. OK, so

00:34:12.940 --> 00:34:16.000
it's two girls, Tana Mongeau, who I would be

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.639
shocked if you didn't know. I know who she is.

00:34:17.659 --> 00:34:22.019
And then her friend, Brooke Schofield, I think

00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:26.699
is how you say it. OK, they had there was this

00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:30.699
one clip that really like shone a light on everything

00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:34.739
that's happening. Sure. They were talking and

00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:38.159
Tana was like, yeah, you pretty much disagree

00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.340
with everything I have to say. And she was like.

00:34:41.130 --> 00:34:44.570
It's not that I'm trying to disagree with you.

00:34:46.269 --> 00:34:50.010
It's I genuinely do disagree with you on everything.

00:34:51.050 --> 00:34:54.070
And they were like best friends. Yeah. And they

00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:56.969
talked about like being a yin and yang is sometimes

00:34:56.969 --> 00:34:59.710
good. And a lot of times, like Tana says she

00:34:59.710 --> 00:35:02.010
needed to hear it and you're hearing both sides

00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:05.829
of the thing. So it works. But like eventually.

00:35:07.299 --> 00:35:11.300
They just kind of fell apart. So this is where

00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:13.820
the clips of them... I think it was Tana saying,

00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:15.739
I just don't want to do this anymore. That's

00:35:15.739 --> 00:35:18.219
where that all came from? Yeah. And to be fair,

00:35:18.260 --> 00:35:21.260
Tana's done her whole career on social media.

00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:23.659
I've been watching Tana Mongeau for an embarrassingly

00:35:23.659 --> 00:35:27.579
long amount of time. Where does she come from?

00:35:28.030 --> 00:35:30.429
She's from Vegas. And she just, like, started

00:35:30.429 --> 00:35:33.610
making videos one day. And then she was connected

00:35:33.610 --> 00:35:37.050
with David Dobrik for a while. But then she was

00:35:37.050 --> 00:35:39.389
friends with Jeff after that whole thing happened.

00:35:40.110 --> 00:35:43.849
And then, I don't, I mean, she's just. So, like,

00:35:43.889 --> 00:35:45.650
she wasn't on, like, a reality show or something.

00:35:45.690 --> 00:35:50.219
No. She came up completely. Like, on her own.

00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:51.739
Genuinely on the internet. Oh, good for her.

00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.880
And it's because she's funny and she's very real.

00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.579
Yeah, yeah. Like, she's like, here are my tape

00:35:58.579 --> 00:36:01.199
and extensions. Let's do them in 20 minutes before

00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.840
I catch a 6 a .m. flight. Like, that's very Tana.

00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.719
Sure. And so it's entertaining to watch. It's

00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.679
like, yeah. All right. She would love this. She's

00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.070
like our generation. Not my generation, I'm too

00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:19.389
old for that. The Next Generation's Paris Hilton.

00:36:20.889 --> 00:36:25.429
Oh, okay. Where it's just, like, fun to watch.

00:36:25.610 --> 00:36:27.789
I'm not saying you should be exactly like her,

00:36:27.889 --> 00:36:30.869
but she is entertaining. Sure. No, I liked Hannah.

00:36:31.110 --> 00:36:34.610
I listened to a few episodes, and then, like,

00:36:34.610 --> 00:36:38.730
it just... There's been, like, a breakdown of...

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.960
I think they didn't really like each other. That's

00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.179
kind of what like I felt when I was listening

00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:48.019
to it. I think also Brooke got engaged recently.

00:36:48.219 --> 00:36:52.039
And so I think they're just they just kind of

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.760
grew apart. And so they decided to quit doing

00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:58.480
the podcast. Yeah. Another thing I saw is they

00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.639
have not communicated anything about how they're

00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.840
going to do that because she was like, should

00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.179
I just delete every video? of the canceled podcast

00:37:07.179 --> 00:37:11.599
so i can use this channel for like my vlogs and

00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:17.300
brooke was like no what is my absence well so

00:37:17.300 --> 00:37:20.199
i i think that it brings up a kind of interesting

00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.219
point because there's another podcast um oh my

00:37:24.219 --> 00:37:27.010
god It was too much or something like that. I

00:37:27.010 --> 00:37:28.929
know I said it to you, like when we were starting

00:37:28.929 --> 00:37:31.429
this whole journey, I very vividly. If I didn't

00:37:31.429 --> 00:37:33.510
say this, I very vividly remember thinking it.

00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:36.630
I said, we cannot let this let us turn into this

00:37:36.630 --> 00:37:40.449
where it's like these two girls that were podcasting.

00:37:40.449 --> 00:37:42.989
One lived in Los Angeles, one lived in Manhattan.

00:37:43.650 --> 00:37:48.489
And the girl that lived in Los Angeles just locked.

00:37:49.250 --> 00:37:51.750
her like the other girl out of all the accounts

00:37:51.750 --> 00:37:54.030
and like do you remember those i remember yeah

00:37:54.030 --> 00:37:56.269
it was like a year ago or something yeah and

00:37:56.269 --> 00:37:59.590
it was like they just hated each other and i

00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:01.289
was like if we ever get to the point where we

00:38:01.289 --> 00:38:04.090
don't enjoy doing this like i want to i want

00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:05.710
to be the first to know that you don't enjoy

00:38:05.710 --> 00:38:08.010
doing it and we will either figure something

00:38:08.010 --> 00:38:11.300
out or be stop it immediately because like I

00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:13.340
don't want us ever to resent each other and I

00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:15.840
don't yapping on a microphone like why would

00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.639
you even let it get that I know why it's money

00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.920
got in the way they started making money I don't

00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:22.440
know that it's a money thing because like it

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.639
becomes an ego thing and I think that the good

00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:26.940
thing about you and me is I truly believe you

00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:29.719
and I don't have an ego about most things so

00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.579
I think that's probably our saving grace in a

00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:36.369
lot of things we're like we are very aware that

00:38:36.369 --> 00:38:38.849
we are two idiots talking to, at this point,

00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:42.110
300 people on the internet. And we're thrilled

00:38:42.110 --> 00:38:45.150
to be that. I think that there's a difference,

00:38:45.210 --> 00:38:48.349
too, in age. People are going to hate me for

00:38:48.349 --> 00:38:53.550
saying this, but I feel like if you're 19 through

00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:58.929
23, everything feels so big and so important

00:38:58.929 --> 00:39:02.809
and so scary that I feel like we're old enough.

00:39:03.690 --> 00:39:06.369
And we're not old. I'm just saying we have frontal

00:39:06.369 --> 00:39:12.289
lobes and we're 27. I'm genuinely 27, but I think

00:39:12.289 --> 00:39:16.469
that we're old enough to be like, it's never

00:39:16.469 --> 00:39:18.650
that serious. You know what I mean? And like,

00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:21.010
I do take it seriously. Like I will sit here

00:39:21.010 --> 00:39:23.369
for hours every week and record and be happy

00:39:23.369 --> 00:39:27.389
to do that. But there's a thing that we should

00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:29.809
sacrifice our relationship or I should sacrifice.

00:39:30.619 --> 00:39:34.139
any part of like what I care about. Right. But,

00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:37.639
but that's the thing is like, I, I said, I, I,

00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.300
we can never turn into this and I don't think

00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:41.599
we ever will. And like, dear listener, if we

00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.719
ever do just mark this down in your book, episode

00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.940
12 is where we were wrong. But like, I feel bad.

00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.099
Cause I'm like, these are, these were real friends.

00:39:50.139 --> 00:39:53.539
Like on some level, these people were good friends

00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:55.900
that like said, I'm going to put myself on the

00:39:55.900 --> 00:39:58.429
internet. And it fell apart. And that sucks.

00:39:58.570 --> 00:40:00.590
That is sad. That sucks. I mean, that happens

00:40:00.590 --> 00:40:02.969
in real life all the time. But not for the entire

00:40:02.969 --> 00:40:05.389
world to see. Like, it's like, it takes me back

00:40:05.389 --> 00:40:09.090
to. And granted, part of this was produced by

00:40:09.090 --> 00:40:12.730
Fox, but like Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie.

00:40:12.730 --> 00:40:17.090
Like this was a very real friendship that like

00:40:17.090 --> 00:40:19.869
fell apart. And it was at Harper's Bazaar. It

00:40:19.869 --> 00:40:23.389
was in Vogue. It was in all these magazines where

00:40:23.389 --> 00:40:26.389
it was like, oh, the. these two people are not

00:40:26.389 --> 00:40:29.389
Paris and Nicole anymore and like I cannot imagine

00:40:29.389 --> 00:40:31.730
what that does to you like psychologically like

00:40:31.730 --> 00:40:34.130
we're like yeah it makes it has to make all of

00:40:34.130 --> 00:40:36.789
your emotions like more exaggerated to like see

00:40:36.789 --> 00:40:39.210
what everyone else has to say yeah because I

00:40:39.210 --> 00:40:41.250
do think we're in this era where like everyone

00:40:41.250 --> 00:40:43.329
is giving their two cents everyone has a hot

00:40:43.329 --> 00:40:45.909
take everyone has an opinion and like at some

00:40:45.909 --> 00:40:47.510
point you just have to close that out especially

00:40:47.510 --> 00:40:50.940
when it's about you right like I don't think

00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:53.179
anyone should be reading all of their comments

00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:59.920
or anything like that. No. Anyway. Anyway. Are

00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.940
you ready for Reality Roundup? Yes. Okay, so.

00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:06.300
This is an excellent run of the show, by the

00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:09.500
way. Before we jump into it, and this is related

00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:11.659
to, well, one of them is tangentially related

00:41:11.659 --> 00:41:15.139
to, because it's Bravo, but have you seen Justice

00:41:15.139 --> 00:41:20.409
for Jax on TikTok? Yes. That is Jax Taylor. Jax

00:41:20.409 --> 00:41:23.050
Taylor is running that account. There is not

00:41:23.050 --> 00:41:27.949
a doubt in my mind. If anyone can prove me wrong,

00:41:28.110 --> 00:41:30.230
I will literally be stunned and I'll send you

00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:35.510
$20. That is Jax Taylor. So Jax Taylor has left,

00:41:35.670 --> 00:41:38.710
says he left of his own volition, but like he

00:41:38.710 --> 00:41:41.210
was, so he was originally on Vanderpump Rules

00:41:41.210 --> 00:41:46.489
and then he went over to the Valley and he was

00:41:46.489 --> 00:41:51.130
a, demon horrific monster to britney cartwright

00:41:51.130 --> 00:41:55.570
his wife who he viciously cheated on threw a

00:41:55.570 --> 00:41:57.630
table out allegedly i don't know if that was

00:41:57.630 --> 00:41:59.349
ever on camera i don't know if we like there's

00:41:59.349 --> 00:42:03.489
there's a lot yeah okay but jax taylor like from

00:42:03.489 --> 00:42:07.050
the beginning and vanderpump has just always

00:42:07.050 --> 00:42:13.010
been Erratic. If you've never seen him, please

00:42:13.010 --> 00:42:16.150
look up clips of Jax Taylor. Yes. Please. He

00:42:16.150 --> 00:42:19.769
is a horrible human being, but he is entertaining.

00:42:19.849 --> 00:42:22.329
He's entertaining and he is as hot as the day

00:42:22.329 --> 00:42:24.530
is long. And that's why he's been given a platform.

00:42:24.730 --> 00:42:28.809
But he is no longer on the Valley. He says he's

00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:32.510
taking at least a season off. God bless. That's

00:42:32.510 --> 00:42:37.900
fine. He. jack stanley doesn't believe in mental

00:42:37.900 --> 00:42:42.320
health like no he doesn't there's an account

00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.579
though floating around it's called justice the

00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:49.260
number four jacks and it is literally comments

00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:52.269
on On his on his restaurant page being like,

00:42:52.329 --> 00:42:54.469
it's the greatest guy. He came around. It's like,

00:42:54.469 --> 00:42:56.030
do you remember when Donald Trump did this in

00:42:56.030 --> 00:42:57.929
the late 80s, early 90s, where he pretended to

00:42:57.929 --> 00:42:59.550
be his own publicist and he would call people?

00:42:59.969 --> 00:43:03.309
This is what it reminds me. Oh, my God. That's

00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:06.650
exactly what it is. Yes. And it's like a pity

00:43:06.650 --> 00:43:09.829
party. Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I couldn't

00:43:09.829 --> 00:43:11.289
figure out for a little bit whether it was a

00:43:11.289 --> 00:43:13.389
parody or whether it was Jax Taylor. And I'm

00:43:13.389 --> 00:43:16.150
just like, you know what? If no one believes

00:43:16.150 --> 00:43:18.920
in him, at least he believes in himself. That

00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.219
has always reigned true for Jax Taylor. It didn't

00:43:22.219 --> 00:43:25.900
matter what he did. I'm an avid Vanderpump Rules

00:43:25.900 --> 00:43:30.579
fan, especially the early seasons. And it didn't

00:43:30.579 --> 00:43:33.280
matter what he did. He was in his corner. He

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.139
would go in that confessional and he would be

00:43:35.139 --> 00:43:40.269
like, I'm just a man. I'm just a guy. I wanted

00:43:40.269 --> 00:43:44.949
to. You can if you want to. You can if you want

00:43:44.949 --> 00:43:53.030
to. Oh, Lord. The other thing is. God almighty,

00:43:53.269 --> 00:43:57.190
I'm so happy. We foretold this. We did foretell

00:43:57.190 --> 00:43:59.389
this. And I'm so thrilled. Ghislaine Maxwell

00:43:59.389 --> 00:44:04.550
is. I pray being bullied within an inch of her

00:44:04.550 --> 00:44:07.469
life by one. We said that. We said that in the

00:44:07.469 --> 00:44:09.630
last episode and now it's really happening. Yes.

00:44:09.769 --> 00:44:13.210
Like I pray that Ghislaine is not sleeping over

00:44:13.210 --> 00:44:18.110
it. Like that is what I want. But yeah. So, you

00:44:18.110 --> 00:44:23.300
know, Jennifer Shaw is running these. The Shaw

00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:26.960
amazing yoga classes in Bryan Federal Correctional

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.179
Facility. Yeah. And like little pageants and

00:44:29.179 --> 00:44:33.139
stuff, too. And like putting on plays of being

00:44:33.139 --> 00:44:39.880
the real house. I love her so much. Here's the

00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.539
honest to Christ truth. Jen Shaw did some bad

00:44:43.539 --> 00:44:47.900
shit. Jen Shaw. is an entertaining person if

00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:51.039
she can say i love jen shaw i know what she did

00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.380
she is so funny if she can apologize and make

00:44:56.380 --> 00:44:59.280
retributions to the people she wronged i can

00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:04.780
forgive her i'm gonna come on like how chic can

00:45:04.780 --> 00:45:09.300
you be i love but the the the real thing right

00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:13.369
now is jen shaw Who is who's become best friends

00:45:13.369 --> 00:45:15.210
with Elizabeth Holmes. And I love that they are

00:45:15.210 --> 00:45:17.110
just like trying to figure out their next fraud

00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:20.150
scheme together, maybe allegedly. But like Jen

00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:22.690
Shaw said, Ghislaine Maxwell, you are not welcome

00:45:22.690 --> 00:45:25.510
in the Shaw amazing yoga classes. And I was like,

00:45:25.550 --> 00:45:28.610
Jesus Christ. Yeah, you're not welcome in any

00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:30.829
of these things that I'm throwing in any of them.

00:45:30.889 --> 00:45:36.429
And I I know that like the correction system

00:45:36.429 --> 00:45:39.849
in the United States is problematic. This is

00:45:39.849 --> 00:45:42.730
the one time I'm OK with how problematic justice

00:45:42.730 --> 00:45:46.769
is being served. And like in this very specific

00:45:46.769 --> 00:45:50.510
instance. Right. And like, I think you were the

00:45:50.510 --> 00:45:52.949
one who told me this, that like when it comes

00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:55.969
to kids like these. Yeah. Women's prisons do

00:45:55.969 --> 00:46:01.409
not fuck around. And yeah. Lord have mercy. No

00:46:01.409 --> 00:46:05.349
one is fucking with her. And I love it. I love

00:46:05.349 --> 00:46:09.849
it. I also love the idea of. Do you remember

00:46:09.849 --> 00:46:12.530
when that tweet circulated around that was like,

00:46:12.550 --> 00:46:15.550
it's just two dumb bitches telling each other.

00:46:15.650 --> 00:46:20.929
Yes. Yes. That is what I envision when Jen and

00:46:20.929 --> 00:46:25.150
Elizabeth Holmes talk about their crimes. You

00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:28.429
just stretch the truth a little bit. What it

00:46:28.429 --> 00:46:30.690
needed two drops of blood instead of one. Elizabeth.

00:46:31.889 --> 00:46:34.710
No one's heard of a little white lie anymore.

00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:40.960
Like they're gaslighting each other into believing

00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.480
it wasn't that bad. That is what I like to envision.

00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.679
I think back a lot to the clips that became public

00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:55.639
of Jin shot getting on the phone with these telemarketing

00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.780
fraud schemes. Or she goes, hey, it's Crystal

00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:04.260
or whatever her name was from so and so. And

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:06.539
like, I'm just selling you this business opportunity.

00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:09.500
And like, I want to know, like what Elizabeth

00:47:09.500 --> 00:47:12.659
Holmes has to say about that, because. Elizabeth

00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:16.440
Holmes, no, she was lying, too. Oh, I guarantee

00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.619
you she sees that and she's like, God forbid

00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:23.000
you're a businesswoman. God forbid a woman does

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.539
something to get ahead if a man did it. That

00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:29.599
is 100 % what I envision their relationship to

00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.900
be. And that brings me nothing but joy. I love

00:47:31.900 --> 00:47:34.340
it so much. I think it's the funniest thing that's

00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:37.599
ever happened. Okay, dear listener, we're jumping

00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:42.369
into the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Yes.

00:47:42.369 --> 00:47:47.329
Episode two, a snow mountain of trouble. I love

00:47:47.329 --> 00:47:50.429
whoever names these episodes. You're so silly.

00:47:50.630 --> 00:47:54.550
I do, too. We pick up where we left off, where

00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:59.530
everyone's at Meredith's birthday party at Jen's

00:47:59.530 --> 00:48:01.849
house. Jen's having a full blown meltdown, doing

00:48:01.849 --> 00:48:04.429
the thing of like, you don't fuck with my family.

00:48:04.449 --> 00:48:06.750
That that whole Teresa G. I stick that she's

00:48:06.750 --> 00:48:11.409
doing. But she's like different because she's

00:48:11.409 --> 00:48:14.710
like crying through it. She's crying through

00:48:14.710 --> 00:48:19.269
it. But if you look at it and like you're looking

00:48:19.269 --> 00:48:22.989
at it through the lens of like someone who loves

00:48:22.989 --> 00:48:25.210
reality TV, you're like, oh, this is someone

00:48:25.210 --> 00:48:28.349
who produced herself on reality TV. Like that

00:48:28.349 --> 00:48:32.289
was 100 percent. She's being as loud in us like.

00:48:33.469 --> 00:48:35.349
attracting the camera as much as possible you

00:48:35.349 --> 00:48:37.710
know what I mean which is fun you're in the first

00:48:37.710 --> 00:48:40.429
season of a reality show you want to be on I

00:48:40.429 --> 00:48:42.630
will probably do the same thing to not get kicked

00:48:42.630 --> 00:48:46.010
off you have to like establish yourself yes yes

00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:50.789
um Heather goes to comforter and in the in the

00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:53.250
confessional and this becomes a recurring theme

00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:55.030
with Heather and like this is probably the one

00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:58.750
complaint I have about Heather is You get two

00:48:58.750 --> 00:49:01.710
sides. It's like I'm comforting Jen. I'm I'm

00:49:01.710 --> 00:49:03.769
making her feel better. But then she turns around.

00:49:03.809 --> 00:49:06.289
She's like, this is crazy. This is absurd. And

00:49:06.289 --> 00:49:09.230
I feel like it's the mom in her because she's

00:49:09.230 --> 00:49:11.809
done that with her kids for so long. You know

00:49:11.809 --> 00:49:13.909
what I mean? Like with kids, when you're like.

00:49:14.769 --> 00:49:19.590
Oh, man, I can't believe that car rolled like

00:49:19.590 --> 00:49:21.250
that. And then you turn around and you're like,

00:49:21.309 --> 00:49:24.409
I don't know what we're talking about. It's like

00:49:24.409 --> 00:49:30.090
that. But so Mary walks in to the bathroom as

00:49:30.090 --> 00:49:32.269
Jen's having her meltdown. And we hear Heather

00:49:32.269 --> 00:49:36.570
say it's a privilege to be in Jen's circle. Which

00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:39.750
leads me to believe behind the scenes on this

00:49:39.750 --> 00:49:43.090
show, Jen was presented as. The person that the

00:49:43.090 --> 00:49:45.750
show is going to revolve around and people were

00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:48.670
paying the piper. I feel like that's what was

00:49:48.670 --> 00:49:52.690
happening here. Yeah. But we go around and around

00:49:52.690 --> 00:49:54.989
and around where it's like, you said I smelled

00:49:54.989 --> 00:49:56.409
like hospital. You said I smelled like hospital.

00:49:56.530 --> 00:49:59.949
And then Mary finally just, like, and I do appreciate

00:49:59.949 --> 00:50:02.250
this about Mary because I do buy that she is

00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:04.789
this person in real life. She says, can we just,

00:50:04.869 --> 00:50:06.690
can we hug it out and call it a day? Please,

00:50:06.690 --> 00:50:07.989
God, can we make this be done? I hated that.

00:50:08.570 --> 00:50:11.650
I hated that so much. All you have to do is say

00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:14.309
you're sorry. That's it. And you won't do it.

00:50:14.349 --> 00:50:17.210
Instead, you'll say, let's hug. And then it'll

00:50:17.210 --> 00:50:20.050
be over. It'll be over when you say you're sorry.

00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:23.989
Okay. So in my mind, I think I took that as her

00:50:23.989 --> 00:50:26.289
saying, I'm sorry. I think you're right. Okay.

00:50:26.369 --> 00:50:29.170
I think I'm just a crazy biatch who will not

00:50:29.170 --> 00:50:31.250
take anything as saying you're sorry, except

00:50:31.250 --> 00:50:34.760
you saying you're sorry. Like. Okay. I don't

00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.760
know. I feel like Jen Shaw might agree with me

00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.019
on that. No, I... Which is not to say it's a

00:50:40.019 --> 00:50:43.860
good thing. 100%. And, like, I don't disagree

00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:45.260
with you, but, like, in my mind, I was like,

00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:46.739
oh, Mary's apologizing. Like, she's just trying

00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:49.519
to make it go away. I agree that she's trying

00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.320
to make it go away, but she's, like, not willing

00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:52.239
to take any... But she's not taking accountability.

00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:56.940
Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Okay, moving on then.

00:50:57.739 --> 00:51:00.800
When he talks to Lisa about the bartenders that

00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.920
Lisa gifted for the vow renewal where they serve

00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:09.420
Vita tequila and Lisa. Like, I guess Lisa gifted

00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:12.940
the Vita tequila to be and hired the bartender

00:51:12.940 --> 00:51:15.099
and hired, I guess, one of the bartenders. Right.

00:51:15.539 --> 00:51:18.500
No, I'm pretty sure she like provided the tequila

00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:21.289
and the bartender. Oh, I thought she had. I thought

00:51:21.289 --> 00:51:24.110
they'll. OK, I see. I was a little unclear on

00:51:24.110 --> 00:51:26.369
that. Yeah, because Whitney's complaining about

00:51:26.369 --> 00:51:29.610
how the bartenders behaved, like they drank too

00:51:29.610 --> 00:51:33.250
much or whatever. And so that's what made me

00:51:33.250 --> 00:51:36.710
believe Lisa like gifted her the service of the

00:51:36.710 --> 00:51:40.110
bartenders along with the tequila. Right. OK.

00:51:40.369 --> 00:51:44.550
OK. And here's here's the thing that I that I

00:51:44.550 --> 00:51:49.639
saw was that. Lisa was incredibly generous. Like

00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:53.219
in my mind, she gave probably a case of Vita

00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:55.380
tequila. Like do I, do I think it was enough

00:51:55.380 --> 00:51:57.480
for 500 people? I don't know. But like, I think

00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.340
if you send a bottle of tequila, that's, that's

00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:03.679
generous. Like whatever. 100%. I agree. I felt

00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.400
like Whitney was a little misunderstood in this

00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.800
circumstance though, because I felt like they

00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.920
were both coming from the same place. Funny enough.

00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.050
Lisa was like, Please don't talk shit about my

00:52:18.050 --> 00:52:21.969
tequila. You're going to harm my brand. Whitney

00:52:21.969 --> 00:52:26.349
is saying, don't hire these bartenders. They're

00:52:26.349 --> 00:52:31.070
harming your brand. So I think if it were brought

00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:34.010
up off camera, it probably would have gone a

00:52:34.010 --> 00:52:36.210
completely different way. I think they were both

00:52:36.210 --> 00:52:40.809
trying to protect Vita Tequila in that circumstance,

00:52:40.849 --> 00:52:47.000
because I don't see. I don't think I. I at least

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.019
did not pick up on any malice coming from Whitney.

00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.019
OK, so this is the interesting thing about Whitney.

00:52:54.340 --> 00:52:58.500
Do I think that she was going out of her way

00:52:58.500 --> 00:53:02.480
to to talk to speak negatively or present Vita

00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.480
Tequila in a negative light? No. Do I think that

00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.519
Whitney always thinks before she speaks? Absolutely

00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.619
not. No. And she definitely shouldn't have brought

00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:16.380
this up on camera. You shouldn't have said anything

00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:19.320
about any type of gift, let alone anyone's brand

00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:24.800
on camera. Right. However, I feel like she forgets

00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:26.340
the cameras are there sometimes and just lets

00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:29.460
it roll. Because I think what we're getting with

00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:32.059
Whitney is incredibly authentic. A hundred percent.

00:53:32.179 --> 00:53:35.699
The thing that I struggle with, though, was where

00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:39.489
the conversation went, where. She she said, oh,

00:53:39.650 --> 00:53:41.650
well, like they were wasted. OK, like whatever.

00:53:41.789 --> 00:53:44.190
I don't I don't think the bartenders were related

00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:47.329
to her brand at all. I think that Lisa could

00:53:47.329 --> 00:53:49.809
have had any conversation with Whitney and Lisa

00:53:49.809 --> 00:53:51.389
would have become defensive and like brought

00:53:51.389 --> 00:53:52.949
it back to her business because Vita Tequila

00:53:52.949 --> 00:53:55.429
was involved in this scenario. One hundred percent.

00:53:55.650 --> 00:53:58.010
I'll give Lisa that. And also Whitney never just

00:53:58.010 --> 00:54:01.510
out and said, maybe don't hire those bartenders

00:54:01.510 --> 00:54:04.820
anymore. Right. Which she could have done. But

00:54:04.820 --> 00:54:07.440
I felt like that was her point. She just never

00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.599
said that outright. Whitney has a hard time making

00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.860
her point sometimes. Like you'll see this as

00:54:12.860 --> 00:54:14.659
like as she's trying to find her voice in later

00:54:14.659 --> 00:54:16.739
seasons. Like this does become a recurring theme

00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:20.820
with her. The issue that I had, though, was like

00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:24.780
Lisa brings up like, oh, well, I like we they

00:54:24.780 --> 00:54:27.780
they got into Justin's top shelf tequila. And

00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:30.179
Lisa goes, well, our tequila is top shelf. And

00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:33.349
then Whitney comes back with. Well, you know,

00:54:33.369 --> 00:54:35.670
what's funny is we ran out of your tequila at

00:54:35.670 --> 00:54:38.670
like 6 p .m. And like the way that I would have

00:54:38.670 --> 00:54:41.369
been like, bitch, you shouldn't have gotten anything.

00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:44.469
You shouldn't have said that. You shouldn't have

00:54:44.469 --> 00:54:47.789
said that. I felt like it all. This happens a

00:54:47.789 --> 00:54:51.489
lot in Housewives, to be fair. It all like becomes

00:54:51.489 --> 00:54:54.409
this miscommunication jungle where it gets like

00:54:54.409 --> 00:54:57.469
so much bigger than it ever needed to be. Right.

00:54:58.139 --> 00:55:00.079
And that's exactly what I think happened here.

00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.400
I had a hard time with Whitney saying that because

00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.239
I'm just like, oh, you were fine. And like, because

00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.179
if if she wouldn't have said the thing about,

00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:10.199
oh, we ran out of your tequila, like whatever.

00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:13.960
And then in the confessional being like, well,

00:55:14.139 --> 00:55:16.880
like we it's the tequila you can't get in the

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:18.420
United States, like whatever. Like, I thought

00:55:18.420 --> 00:55:21.619
that was a weird like it's tequila. It's all

00:55:21.619 --> 00:55:23.920
it's all made from the agave plant. Like, oh,

00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:27.110
my God. But yeah, I mean, I know some people

00:55:27.110 --> 00:55:28.690
really do care about that. But like you're in

00:55:28.690 --> 00:55:32.210
Utah, you guys barely drink. Like, it's cool.

00:55:32.590 --> 00:55:36.130
And then Lisa gets triggered because she feels

00:55:36.130 --> 00:55:38.849
like it's all coming back to her brand. And I

00:55:38.849 --> 00:55:41.150
understand that. Yeah, I do understand that side,

00:55:41.230 --> 00:55:43.630
too, where it's like, I don't want you to say

00:55:43.630 --> 00:55:45.349
this is like what happened on Secret Lives of

00:55:45.349 --> 00:55:47.489
Mormon Wives with the Jay -Z style stuff. It's

00:55:47.489 --> 00:55:50.809
like you should not say anything, even hinting

00:55:50.809 --> 00:55:53.730
towards a negative about your friend's brand

00:55:53.730 --> 00:55:57.570
on TV. Right. I'll stand 10 toes down on that.

00:55:57.650 --> 00:56:00.590
100%. Unless your friend is, like, dropshipping

00:56:00.590 --> 00:56:02.809
or doing something really... Oh, that actually

00:56:02.809 --> 00:56:06.389
comes up later. Or doing something really, I

00:56:06.389 --> 00:56:09.469
mean, really horrible. You really need to, like,

00:56:09.530 --> 00:56:12.210
just support them. Right. Anyway. But, like,

00:56:12.269 --> 00:56:15.329
so the party ends by Lisa storming out of the

00:56:15.329 --> 00:56:17.710
house saying, I don't want Trash telling me something's

00:56:17.710 --> 00:56:22.309
not good. that's where I'm like oh my god Whitney

00:56:22.309 --> 00:56:23.989
if you just would have been cool I would have

00:56:23.989 --> 00:56:26.570
been on Whitney's side entirely about this cause

00:56:26.570 --> 00:56:32.269
like that is this this does come up where Lisa

00:56:32.269 --> 00:56:35.269
does treat Heather and Whitney differently than

00:56:35.269 --> 00:56:38.730
she treats everyone else like full stop you can

00:56:38.730 --> 00:56:40.829
tell she doesn't want them there you can tell

00:56:40.829 --> 00:56:44.789
she does not fucking like them yeah I I feel

00:56:44.789 --> 00:56:47.300
like there's something to that story that At

00:56:47.300 --> 00:56:50.420
least where I am in Salt Lake City, we never

00:56:50.420 --> 00:56:52.820
really get to the bottom of. Like Heather has

00:56:52.820 --> 00:56:55.800
some dirt on her or something. I don't know that

00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.639
it's dirt. I think what it is, because I have

00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.960
seen this play out in the church, like where

00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.739
you have born again Christians and then you have

00:57:05.739 --> 00:57:10.429
people who are. like me not religious and it

00:57:10.429 --> 00:57:12.469
is you're looked down on as a different class

00:57:12.469 --> 00:57:15.489
of person and do you think lisa would do that

00:57:15.489 --> 00:57:20.269
lisa is very very into mormonism which if she

00:57:20.269 --> 00:57:22.289
wants to be i support her in that and like you

00:57:22.289 --> 00:57:24.809
hear a lot about like it's just surprising to

00:57:24.809 --> 00:57:29.289
me because she grew up jewish so it's like it's

00:57:29.289 --> 00:57:31.789
like i thought she would kind of have like a

00:57:31.789 --> 00:57:36.539
more objective No, no. No. When someone converts

00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:38.719
from a religion to a religion, like what you

00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:41.920
typically see is like they are all in like. Yeah.

00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:45.480
All I guess you do really see that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.239
Anyway, the next day, the Shasha, the Shaw squad

00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.960
is cleaning up Jen's house and Whitney's working

00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.019
out and gets into the back. She's had a stripper

00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:57.960
pole and every house. And isn't it crazy that

00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.260
a born and raised Mormon has a stripper pole?

00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:06.320
Ha ha ha ha. I hate that. I hated that. If you

00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.579
really look at it for what it is, it's a piece

00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:12.860
of exercise equipment. Yes, it's used to be a

00:58:12.860 --> 00:58:16.380
stripper and be hot and sexy. In your house,

00:58:16.460 --> 00:58:19.559
that's exercise. I hate the like... I don't know.

00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.239
I hate that because it feels kind of like pick

00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.579
me where it's like, isn't this crazy that I have

00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:27.440
this? I don't know why that bothered me so much.

00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:33.219
I don't know. I'm not like other Mormons. Yeah.

00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:36.679
I'm a cool Mormon. Um, we go over to Lisa and

00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.860
John's house and John seems like a really, really

00:58:39.860 --> 00:58:41.599
good husband. I feel like, but he seems wildly

00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:45.280
uncomfortable on camera. Yeah. I think that's

00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:48.420
all it is. Cause he does. All he talks about

00:58:48.420 --> 00:58:51.179
is how much he supports Lisa. He's like, I love

00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:53.119
that woman. I'll let her do whatever she wants.

00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.420
I'll support any business she wants to do. He's

00:58:56.420 --> 00:59:00.099
also hot. Yeah. But he's awkward. He's so hot.

00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.300
yeah just awkward and like oh he seems like a

00:59:04.300 --> 00:59:06.760
little unsure of himself on camera that's it

00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:11.340
probably yeah and like duh can you imagine like

00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:15.360
i think what he probably feels uncomfortable

00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.699
with is like the the mormon church has never

00:59:17.699 --> 00:59:20.159
been great about like propping up women and like

00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:23.320
i think he probably feels uncomfortable about

00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:28.159
how the world and like by extension like the

00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:30.880
people in his life are going to view his marriage

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.739
because like Lisa is like Lisa runs the show

00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:39.179
well yeah but he's like and yeah maybe he hasn't

00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:42.679
been as open about how much he supports that

00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.000
like outside of the show you know what I mean

00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.019
right but I love that for him he's like he's

00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:51.739
like a husband he's a great husband yeah let

00:59:51.739 --> 00:59:54.920
her do what she wants I also love that he's not

00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:58.409
like these mormon husbands that we see a lot

00:59:58.409 --> 01:00:01.690
that are like you need to cook and you need to

01:00:01.690 --> 01:00:03.530
clean and you need to do this and this and this

01:00:03.530 --> 01:00:05.949
on top of all of your businesses oh that's not

01:00:05.949 --> 01:00:09.530
just mormon no it's certainly not but that's

01:00:09.530 --> 01:00:11.690
like the highest concentration i've seen oh sure

01:00:11.690 --> 01:00:14.429
yeah and it's like i'm glad he's not like that

01:00:14.429 --> 01:00:17.449
at all he's like i guess we'll figure out what

01:00:17.449 --> 01:00:20.710
we're doing together talk about yeah love i love

01:00:20.710 --> 01:00:24.429
that if i ever get married like i i truly want

01:00:24.429 --> 01:00:28.469
a Like John and Lisa have, because they just

01:00:28.469 --> 01:00:30.710
seem like they really love each other. I would

01:00:30.710 --> 01:00:35.230
get married to the both of them. Heather's out

01:00:35.230 --> 01:00:37.429
shopping for ski boots with Whitney and they

01:00:37.429 --> 01:00:39.889
unpacked the birthday party. Heather says she

01:00:39.889 --> 01:00:41.650
didn't have any fun and her feelings were hurt

01:00:41.650 --> 01:00:47.170
by Lisa and. Shocking. Yeah. Like Lisa called

01:00:47.170 --> 01:00:49.610
Whitney after the. Oh, this. Yeah. So Lisa called

01:00:49.610 --> 01:00:51.210
Whitney after the party and like threatened to

01:00:51.210 --> 01:00:53.429
use rumors about Whitney being a swinger against

01:00:53.429 --> 01:00:57.199
her. Yeah. Heather gets into and this is kind

01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:58.519
of what I was saying earlier. Heather gets into

01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:00.820
how Lisa feels like she's superior to the other

01:01:00.820 --> 01:01:02.659
girls and she feels like that gives her the right

01:01:02.659 --> 01:01:05.880
to call out what she believes is morally deficient

01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:10.119
behavior. Yeah. And I do see that to some extent

01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.420
where she's like kind of holier than thou and

01:01:14.420 --> 01:01:20.079
like a little judgy perhaps. I still love Lisa.

01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:25.179
I don't get it. She's. She does come across a

01:01:25.179 --> 01:01:28.480
little bit judgmental. I also feel like, for

01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:32.179
some reason, the girls have particularly thin

01:01:32.179 --> 01:01:35.960
skin when it comes to her. Like, everything Lisa

01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:41.000
says just makes them bleed. I think that's probably

01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:45.079
rooted. In the amount of money Lisa has. Yeah,

01:01:45.139 --> 01:01:48.440
maybe. And, like, she's very successful in her

01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:51.780
life. Very successful. And I don't think it's

01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:53.659
a jealousy thing. I think it's just more like

01:01:53.659 --> 01:01:56.480
you want the validation. Right. From her and

01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:00.519
you're not getting that. But, like, I don't know.

01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:03.699
Just, like, let it roll off your back. Well,

01:02:03.780 --> 01:02:07.880
so this is why I think Salt Lake City is such

01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:16.639
an interesting housewife city. Not until season

01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:20.519
four, do we do we bring someone on who doesn't

01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.360
have real money? Because like all of the women

01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:26.599
have. Oh, yeah. Significant amounts of wealth.

01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:30.260
Right. And so the stakes are gone there. And

01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:32.800
like so it's like who's more successful, who's

01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.719
less successful comes into play a little bit

01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:40.369
like this. Like this does come up in. season

01:02:40.369 --> 01:02:43.769
two or three where Lisa flat out says, I'm richer

01:02:43.769 --> 01:02:45.329
than everyone here. I don't need to be here.

01:02:45.409 --> 01:02:48.230
Like she those words come out of her mouth. But

01:02:48.230 --> 01:02:52.909
what we are finding is like, OK, so like where

01:02:52.909 --> 01:02:56.809
do the stakes come from? And it's it's actually

01:02:56.809 --> 01:02:58.690
how these women feel about each other. I think

01:02:58.690 --> 01:03:01.750
that's I think it's this is what I love about

01:03:01.750 --> 01:03:03.690
this city. It's so interesting because I'm just

01:03:03.690 --> 01:03:07.360
like, oh, we're not fighting over. yeah the private

01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.860
jet we're not fighting over x y and z because

01:03:09.860 --> 01:03:12.760
like everyone's on the same playing field yeah

01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:18.659
i love it um then we go to whitney's and meet

01:03:18.659 --> 01:03:27.280
her dad oh yeah this was a lot so so dad's hair

01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:32.780
yeah whitney's dad is a recovering addict and

01:03:32.780 --> 01:03:40.840
his hair is box dyed black to the gods and standing

01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:45.539
on end do you know uh carrie from sexy unique

01:03:45.539 --> 01:03:50.920
podcast calls um calls whitney's dad steve he

01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:52.900
calls him diane warren because he looks like

01:03:52.900 --> 01:03:59.199
diane warren from three's company it is that

01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:03.639
very specific hair I don't know if it's because

01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:09.619
he used to be a hairstylist. Yeah. Yeah. Was

01:04:09.619 --> 01:04:12.360
really successful. Very successful. Fell into

01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.059
drugs. Yeah. And then his entire life fell apart,

01:04:15.219 --> 01:04:19.019
which is a story I've seen firsthand. Like, I

01:04:19.019 --> 01:04:21.800
know how this impacts people. So I know what

01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:26.960
Whitney is going through. I was going to make

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.659
the point he understands an emotional change

01:04:30.659 --> 01:04:34.760
of the hair. Oh, yeah. So I think that's what

01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:39.179
we're witnessing is he is constantly in his hair.

01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:48.380
Yes. Meredith and Seth go to dinner after we

01:04:48.380 --> 01:04:51.559
after we get done with the scene with with Whitney's

01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:57.719
dad. In contrast to John Barlow. Seth seems very

01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:01.380
comfortable on camera. You can tell that man

01:05:01.380 --> 01:05:04.900
loves attention. He's like, I am here. He loves

01:05:04.900 --> 01:05:10.619
it. I have arrived. And so we jump into and I

01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:13.820
don't know if they we didn't know that much before

01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:16.880
this. No, this is where you find out they're

01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.239
separated. OK, and like it makes me feel like

01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.940
the editing was weird in the first season because

01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:23.900
like this this couldn't have been the way it

01:05:23.900 --> 01:05:26.539
was meant to be presented. Seth asked Meredith

01:05:26.539 --> 01:05:29.739
who all knows about them being separated. And

01:05:29.739 --> 01:05:32.400
that's how we're introduced to this topic. And

01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.579
then he asked Meredith if if she thinks their

01:05:35.579 --> 01:05:39.500
marriage is built to last. And I've seen conflicting

01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:42.199
things about this on the Internet. On one hand,

01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:46.320
I appreciate. And them being very open and honest

01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.760
about it. And yeah, because they could have hid

01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:50.280
it from the show. They could have hidden it from

01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:52.119
the show. But then like you have people on the

01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:53.820
other side of that that are like, no, this they

01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:55.820
they were producing this for the show. Like this

01:05:55.820 --> 01:05:58.360
was their storyline. This is how Meredith got

01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.019
on the show. No, I think this is all very real.

01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.280
I think. Yeah, because you can tell there's real

01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.880
emotion and real thoughts that are being held

01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.480
back because they know they're on camera, especially

01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:14.599
when we get into the. The phone thing? Yes. Yes.

01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:16.739
Oh, my God. You can tell that Meredith is not

01:06:16.739 --> 01:06:18.579
saying everything she feels and you can tell

01:06:18.579 --> 01:06:22.199
she's very aware that she's on camera. Yes. And

01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.159
so I think it's very real. Right. And like this

01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:27.460
is something that I have found very interesting

01:06:27.460 --> 01:06:30.139
because you have two. Also, I know we said we

01:06:30.139 --> 01:06:31.920
were going to do two episodes today. Let's just

01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:33.980
do the one because I don't want to run into time.

01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:35.840
I want to get into this a little bit. This is

01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.159
a good episode anyway. This was. You see, you

01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.199
have two real sets of women on Housewives like

01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.340
that. And Bethany Frankel has talked very openly

01:06:45.340 --> 01:06:47.460
about this, how there are women who come on the

01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:50.599
show as like to launch themselves into getting

01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.920
divorced. Like Jules Weinstein was one on Real

01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:56.119
Housewives of New York who. They say that she

01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:59.199
came on just to get divorced. And if you need

01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.960
a little check. Right. And I'm fine with that.

01:07:03.059 --> 01:07:05.739
I'm also fine with it. If you look at Tamara

01:07:05.739 --> 01:07:08.960
Judge and her ex -husband. in the back of the

01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:10.980
car, and I think it was season three or four,

01:07:11.059 --> 01:07:12.579
The Real Housewives of Orange County, where,

01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.179
like, he said something, and she looked him dead

01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:16.800
in the face in the back of this car, and she

01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.280
said, fuck you, I want a divorce. Like, and she

01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:21.239
has been very open about she didn't know the

01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.219
cameras were there when she was doing that. Yeah.

01:07:23.539 --> 01:07:26.980
So I'm fine with both sides, both extremes on

01:07:26.980 --> 01:07:29.000
that side of the equation. What I think we have

01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:33.280
here, though, is these people knew their marriage

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:35.179
was on the rocks coming into the show, and I

01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:38.039
think that they said, You're getting our real

01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:40.679
lives. You're getting our real lives. Yeah. I

01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:46.219
think that Meredith is mostly okay with sharing

01:07:46.219 --> 01:07:48.900
that. Right. And also Seth is spending a lot

01:07:48.900 --> 01:07:52.519
of time away anyway for work. You don't get into

01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:55.579
that yet, but like he is. And so I think that

01:07:55.579 --> 01:08:00.840
they knew that with all that time apart, they

01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.699
would be able to kind of. keep that off the show

01:08:04.699 --> 01:08:06.739
as much as they wanted to and share as much as

01:08:06.739 --> 01:08:09.059
they wanted to oh for sure you know because they're

01:08:09.059 --> 01:08:10.960
not like always in the house screaming at each

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.260
other right it's not like that but and then we

01:08:14.260 --> 01:08:16.279
get into meredith sharing some of the backstory

01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:18.739
about how they got to where they are and she's

01:08:18.739 --> 01:08:20.739
very honest and i think this is like actually

01:08:20.739 --> 01:08:22.300
really good for people to hear where she goes

01:08:22.300 --> 01:08:25.000
nothing really triggered it we moved a lot there

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.899
was a lot going on and we struggle with communication

01:08:27.899 --> 01:08:31.050
in our marriage and yeah we started to resent

01:08:31.050 --> 01:08:33.310
each other and like that's a very real thing

01:08:33.310 --> 01:08:35.850
and i'm glad that she shared it because it provides

01:08:35.850 --> 01:08:40.510
more context for later on in this season um with

01:08:40.510 --> 01:08:43.270
like when they start to disagree about something

01:08:43.270 --> 01:08:45.069
you can tell it's like how have you guys not

01:08:45.069 --> 01:08:48.390
talked about this yet you know there's just a

01:08:48.390 --> 01:08:50.630
breakdown in communication yeah and i'll buy

01:08:50.630 --> 01:08:53.789
that like every time we feel that that is the

01:08:53.789 --> 01:08:55.590
first time they've ever talked to each other

01:08:55.590 --> 01:08:58.970
is on camera i feel like you can tell because

01:08:58.970 --> 01:09:01.310
like one of them is taken aback or one of them

01:09:01.310 --> 01:09:09.170
is like no like i don't know um yeah yeah like

01:09:09.170 --> 01:09:14.449
uh spoiler alert but they talk about moving i

01:09:14.449 --> 01:09:17.289
won't say where later on in the season and it's

01:09:17.289 --> 01:09:21.670
like so they're like in a car and it's so blatantly

01:09:21.670 --> 01:09:25.090
glaringly obvious that they haven't talked about

01:09:25.090 --> 01:09:28.069
this at all right well and it gets to be uncomfortable

01:09:28.069 --> 01:09:30.050
because you're like oh I'm not supposed to be

01:09:30.050 --> 01:09:33.270
hearing this conversation right but it's the

01:09:33.270 --> 01:09:35.529
same thing that we get into with like the phone

01:09:35.529 --> 01:09:38.270
thing where so Seth gets into the idea of like

01:09:38.270 --> 01:09:41.310
I'm so transparent like I you can look at my

01:09:41.310 --> 01:09:45.529
phone whenever you want and this I get both sides

01:09:45.529 --> 01:09:47.930
of this because there is there is a conversation

01:09:47.930 --> 01:09:52.550
around Meredith and maybe she like while they

01:09:52.550 --> 01:09:55.810
were split up, she was dating someone else. And

01:09:55.810 --> 01:09:59.970
I don't know where they were with that at this

01:09:59.970 --> 01:10:03.310
current juncture. But I do know that that does

01:10:03.310 --> 01:10:06.189
get weaponized against her and later in the season

01:10:06.189 --> 01:10:10.130
and then in season two and three. Right. And

01:10:10.130 --> 01:10:13.529
we'll get into it later. But basically, the point

01:10:13.529 --> 01:10:17.550
that is being made right now is Meredith is like,

01:10:17.630 --> 01:10:19.369
I don't want to check your phone and I don't

01:10:19.369 --> 01:10:23.489
want you to check mine. Right. And I can get

01:10:23.489 --> 01:10:27.289
where, like, she's very like, that's weird to

01:10:27.289 --> 01:10:28.710
me. I don't want to do that. But at the same

01:10:28.710 --> 01:10:33.319
time, I'm like. If it's that big of a deal, just

01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:34.739
give them the fucking phone if there's nothing

01:10:34.739 --> 01:10:36.760
in there to find. I get both sides of it, so

01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.939
I don't know what the right answer is, but I

01:10:38.939 --> 01:10:40.859
do feel uncomfortable with the fact that they're

01:10:40.859 --> 01:10:44.800
at a restaurant in Salt Lake City at a very nice

01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:46.279
restaurant and Seth is like, let me see your

01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:47.399
phone, let me see your phone, let me see your

01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:52.000
phone. Yeah, and it gets tense. I will say in

01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.920
practice, I align more with Meredith. It does

01:10:55.920 --> 01:11:01.289
feel like a huge invasion of privacy. To give

01:11:01.289 --> 01:11:06.970
someone your phone. Like. Because. I don't know.

01:11:06.970 --> 01:11:09.069
Like me and Kenny. Like they're. Obviously I'm

01:11:09.069 --> 01:11:10.770
not cheating on Kenny. I'm carrying his child.

01:11:10.949 --> 01:11:14.439
Right. But like. I don't want to see his. I don't

01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:17.819
want him to have to see my text complaining about

01:11:17.819 --> 01:11:20.399
him. That's like, I should have the right to

01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.859
vent about him and him not have to see that.

01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:25.159
Well, that's not what Seth was looking for. No,

01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.359
I know. But it's like, you don't know what he'll

01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.920
come across. And it's like, it's not always cheating

01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:38.060
or malice. Sometimes it's just like stuff you

01:11:38.060 --> 01:11:40.779
wanted to keep private. Yeah. Like, I don't know.

01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:43.380
I don't know. And I wouldn't want to see what's

01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:47.000
going on in Kenny's group message with his friends.

01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:49.899
You know what I mean? I would rather be ignorant

01:11:49.899 --> 01:11:54.640
to that. Sure. So it's like I typically would

01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.859
fall in with Meredith. However, when your relationship

01:11:58.859 --> 01:12:00.979
is on the rocks and you're worried about someone

01:12:00.979 --> 01:12:04.399
being unfaithful, you're worried about them in

01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:08.720
general. I feel like if your partner asked for

01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:10.979
your phone, you pretty much should like. Just

01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:14.460
give them the phone. Yeah. And that's just how

01:12:14.460 --> 01:12:17.199
I feel about it. I don't like like I'm not going

01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.439
to ever just take someone's phone and look through

01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:23.539
it for funsies. No. But like if Kenny were like,

01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.579
OK, I feel a little sus about something. Can

01:12:26.579 --> 01:12:28.300
I just look at your phone? I would give him my

01:12:28.300 --> 01:12:32.420
phone. I don't know. It's hard. It was hard.

01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:37.100
And like, but again. I think this was a very

01:12:37.100 --> 01:12:39.680
real conversation and like when we got to the

01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:42.760
point of like Meredith being like let's talk

01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.260
about fun stuff like let's like I was like oh

01:12:45.260 --> 01:12:47.060
she knows she's on camera and she's and this

01:12:47.060 --> 01:12:48.800
is the first time they're having this conversation

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:52.220
yeah Yeah. Well, I can tell, I think they had

01:12:52.220 --> 01:12:54.539
talked about the phone thing before, but like,

01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:57.359
I feel like Seth just kind of let it go. And

01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:59.260
now he had gotten to a point where it's like,

01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.000
why won't you let me see it? Yeah. Right. And

01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.100
I haven't really like reached that peak yet.

01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:06.300
Right. But I don't think they're producing that

01:13:06.300 --> 01:13:08.319
for the show at all. I think this is like, oh,

01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:11.140
this is all very real feelings. No. Yeah. I felt

01:13:11.140 --> 01:13:14.840
the same way. Cause like the way they're feeling

01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.939
is very real. And I, But I also understand Meredith

01:13:18.939 --> 01:13:22.800
being, like, once you know that Seth is, like,

01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.180
never around, I do understand her being, like,

01:13:26.260 --> 01:13:28.979
can we talk about something late? Oh, yeah. Can

01:13:28.979 --> 01:13:31.899
we talk about something good? Like, use our time

01:13:31.899 --> 01:13:34.979
together well. Right. Type of thing. I understand.

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.500
It's such a hard relationship to get into because,

01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:43.159
like, both sides have a stand. Yeah. And here's

01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.460
the thing. Spoiler alert. They work out. Yeah.

01:13:45.619 --> 01:13:49.479
And I'm. I love Seth. I love Seth and Meredith

01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:52.359
together as much as I love Lisa and John together.

01:13:52.659 --> 01:13:54.920
Yeah, I think they're really good for each other.

01:13:55.380 --> 01:13:58.479
I feel like Seth is a let it all out type of

01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:00.779
guy and Meredith likes to keep a lot of stuff

01:14:00.779 --> 01:14:04.180
kind of stuff down. Yeah, I think it's a weird

01:14:04.180 --> 01:14:09.500
but good balance. Yeah, I feel like he allows

01:14:09.500 --> 01:14:12.880
her to be a bit more free with her emotions and

01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:18.079
what she shares. She shows up to be inappropriate

01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:23.199
adult. Speaking of being an appropriate adult,

01:14:23.460 --> 01:14:28.899
we go to Heather's ski day. God, the girls, the

01:14:28.899 --> 01:14:31.579
girls all show up at the ski lodge. But Mary

01:14:31.579 --> 01:14:34.630
is. significantly late because she was waiting

01:14:34.630 --> 01:14:36.609
for a chanel coat to show up so she could wear

01:14:36.609 --> 01:14:38.949
it to ski and she explains that this is because

01:14:38.949 --> 01:14:41.329
she prefers to wear brands that don't give you

01:14:41.329 --> 01:14:44.130
a wedgie and chanel is just one of those brands

01:14:44.130 --> 01:14:48.649
of course of course like do you know the does

01:14:48.649 --> 01:14:52.970
the north face give you a wedgie also you're

01:14:52.970 --> 01:14:56.369
tiny what are you talking about wedgie oh my

01:14:56.369 --> 01:14:59.720
god i don't i don't know um Whitney, Heather

01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:01.800
and Meredith, Meredith all go ski in the real

01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:04.600
mountain. Lisa, Jen and Mary stick to the bunny

01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:08.260
hill. But we get a flashback to this. I I also

01:15:08.260 --> 01:15:10.500
hate these scenes that are like clearly set up

01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:13.500
for the show. We get a flashback of Jen getting

01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:15.699
a ski lesson from the Shaw squad where she was

01:15:15.699 --> 01:15:19.460
like running around like on the on the rollerblades.

01:15:19.460 --> 01:15:22.949
It's like. Go down that hill or whatever they

01:15:22.949 --> 01:15:27.489
were saying. I hate that. Like that. Yeah. Sometimes

01:15:27.489 --> 01:15:31.609
they're funny. I think when Giselle does those

01:15:31.609 --> 01:15:34.689
scenes, they tend to be hilarious. Maybe it's

01:15:34.689 --> 01:15:38.930
the execution. Yeah. Yeah. With Jen. Jen Shaw.

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:42.479
Is a lot of things. She's not an actress. No.

01:15:42.619 --> 01:15:46.819
No, no, no. You can tell when things are disingenuous

01:15:46.819 --> 01:15:49.699
or they told her to do something. And it's very

01:15:49.699 --> 01:15:52.220
uncomfortable. Yes. But I do feel like some people

01:15:52.220 --> 01:15:55.640
are really good at pulling it off. Yeah. Giselle.

01:15:56.140 --> 01:15:58.819
And also there's one other one that I've been

01:15:58.819 --> 01:16:02.060
like, oh, that was cute. From Potomac. Monique.

01:16:02.590 --> 01:16:05.390
yeah yeah where it was the it was the binders

01:16:05.390 --> 01:16:06.909
and like the whole like she was pretending to

01:16:06.909 --> 01:16:09.189
be a sleeve like i she the one where she's like

01:16:09.189 --> 01:16:12.310
very clearly pretending for the show yes yeah

01:16:12.310 --> 01:16:15.350
and it's like those are fine i think those are

01:16:15.350 --> 01:16:18.909
funny but like yeah some of them are very uncomfortable

01:16:18.909 --> 01:16:24.310
yeah karen huger oh no please stop please um

01:16:24.310 --> 01:16:27.449
at the top of the mountain whitney and heather

01:16:27.449 --> 01:16:30.170
unpacked their feelings about lisa and whitney

01:16:30.170 --> 01:16:33.710
says she's She's known Lisa for a few years,

01:16:33.750 --> 01:16:36.069
but they have a hard time communicating still.

01:16:36.649 --> 01:16:38.989
And we get a flashback to Lisa telling Meredith

01:16:38.989 --> 01:16:41.850
that they need to do a little styling for Whitney.

01:16:42.289 --> 01:16:44.829
And Whitney goes, well, what's wrong with my

01:16:44.829 --> 01:16:47.649
style? And the example of them having a hard

01:16:47.649 --> 01:16:49.869
time communicating is Lisa going, well, your

01:16:49.869 --> 01:16:54.529
style's a little Utah. And you and I have said

01:16:54.529 --> 01:16:56.710
shit like this to people in real life. And I'm

01:16:56.710 --> 01:17:01.310
like, it's a joke. Like, yeah, but. I also think

01:17:01.310 --> 01:17:04.289
Lisa takes anything lightly either. So it's like

01:17:04.289 --> 01:17:07.130
and like when if we say something like that,

01:17:07.149 --> 01:17:09.369
it's like we're very clearly joking. And like

01:17:09.369 --> 01:17:11.050
we I don't think we would ever say to someone

01:17:11.050 --> 01:17:13.029
that we actually like look down on and hate.

01:17:13.489 --> 01:17:17.850
And like if I genuinely felt that way, I wouldn't

01:17:17.850 --> 01:17:20.970
say it. Do you know what I mean? Like if your

01:17:20.970 --> 01:17:25.090
style genuinely is a little Utah, I'm not saying

01:17:25.090 --> 01:17:32.420
that out loud. No, no, I don't know. And then...

01:17:32.420 --> 01:17:37.279
I do get the vibe. This is a hot take. I do get

01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:41.180
the vibe that a couple of them are a little bit

01:17:41.180 --> 01:17:44.020
jealous of Miss Whitney and how young she is

01:17:44.020 --> 01:17:47.960
and how beautiful her face is. And that's where

01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:51.060
I'll leave that. Okay, so this is a common phenomenon,

01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:54.109
too, on Real Housewives. We're like... The young

01:17:54.109 --> 01:17:56.729
hot girl is ganged up on and like because it

01:17:56.729 --> 01:17:58.970
was actually too. We saw it with Ashley Darby.

01:17:59.010 --> 01:18:04.130
We've seen it with. Oh, God, the the the the

01:18:04.130 --> 01:18:11.430
doctor. What is the. In Miami, the the anesthesiologist,

01:18:11.630 --> 01:18:16.289
the one that Larsa hated. The rich doctor, she

01:18:16.289 --> 01:18:21.100
was so hot and we saw it with. Stephanie Holman

01:18:21.100 --> 01:18:24.140
in Dallas. Like this is a real phenomenon. I

01:18:24.140 --> 01:18:27.220
do see that for Whitney a little bit. Yes. I'll

01:18:27.220 --> 01:18:30.119
buy that. That's a thing. Meredith feels like

01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.020
Lisa is trying to be a big sister to Whitney.

01:18:32.420 --> 01:18:35.800
And since it's Whitney takes that to be condescending.

01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:37.720
And I see where Meredith is coming from a little

01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:39.619
bit. Cause I think she, I think Meredith at the

01:18:39.619 --> 01:18:41.920
end of the day does assume positive intent from

01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:45.180
most people. Especially Lisa because they're

01:18:45.180 --> 01:18:48.630
friends. They're best friends. Yeah. And. So

01:18:48.630 --> 01:18:51.390
Whitney also talks about how she feels like Lisa

01:18:51.390 --> 01:18:53.470
is threatening to use rumors against her, but

01:18:53.470 --> 01:18:55.350
then immediately turns around and says she doesn't

01:18:55.350 --> 01:18:58.270
care what people think about her. And I'm just

01:18:58.270 --> 01:19:01.050
like, OK, if you're a swinger, as she calls it,

01:19:01.069 --> 01:19:02.970
because I hate the way she like leans into the

01:19:02.970 --> 01:19:06.569
G. So, yeah, if you're a swing, it's a little

01:19:06.569 --> 01:19:09.880
weird, like in general. I don't know. oh yeah

01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:11.960
it's like the fillings and the hilling and like

01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.979
the like but i think that's a utah thing if i'm

01:19:14.979 --> 01:19:18.420
being honest it's almost like the california

01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:21.579
girls have like a valley accent it's yeah there's

01:19:21.579 --> 01:19:25.380
something in utah um but so we we finish that

01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.619
up and then everyone goes to dinner the women

01:19:27.619 --> 01:19:29.920
are three and a half hours late for their dinner

01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:31.760
reservation and i guess the restaurant's about

01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:35.640
to close The way that you've seen me be this

01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.800
person before. We're like, if people can't get

01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:39.619
their shit together and be on time for something,

01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:43.539
I turn into a demon monster. I hate it. And I

01:19:43.539 --> 01:19:47.180
don't know because it didn't always happen this

01:19:47.180 --> 01:19:50.880
way. I don't know when this happened, but it's

01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:53.699
like the new cool thing to be an hour late to

01:19:53.699 --> 01:19:56.079
everything. I hate that. It's not cute. You're

01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.960
not just a girl. You are wasting people's time.

01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:01.239
You're wasting people's time. You're wasting

01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:05.560
people's time. I hate it. And it's the most rude

01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:08.079
and inconsiderate thing. Like, I'll buy if something

01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.319
came up and you're late for a reservation. Like,

01:20:10.340 --> 01:20:12.960
I can let it slide one time, like, whatever.

01:20:13.180 --> 01:20:15.579
No, but people make it their personality. They're

01:20:15.579 --> 01:20:17.420
late to everything. Yes. And, like, this was

01:20:17.420 --> 01:20:21.079
a knockdown drag out fight that, on the infamous

01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:26.319
Vegas trip, I had a knockdown drag out fight

01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:29.279
with the... The person who this trip was revolving

01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:31.159
around, because I was like, we're we're two and

01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:33.100
a half hours late for a dinner reservation. And

01:20:33.100 --> 01:20:34.859
it was the only thing on this trip that I cared

01:20:34.859 --> 01:20:37.119
about. And I was like crying over, like being

01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:39.539
late to Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant. I was like,

01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:41.640
what the fuck are we doing? And I was like, why

01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:43.979
can we not get our shit together to go to fucking

01:20:43.979 --> 01:20:46.319
dinner? I just don't understand it because it's

01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:50.500
like. If you found out the day of and like you

01:20:50.500 --> 01:20:52.340
got to get ready and you got to do all this stuff,

01:20:52.420 --> 01:20:54.560
then I understand. No, this was a reservation

01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.520
we had made three weeks in advance. Like when

01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.220
you know something has been in your calendar,

01:21:00.460 --> 01:21:03.479
even if it's just for a few days, you knew this

01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:05.880
was coming up and you decided not to plan for

01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:08.079
it, which shows a lack of consideration on your

01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:10.479
part. Yes. That is how I feel. Right. You are

01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:12.680
inconsiderate and you're selfish and I'm willing

01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.130
to go that far. Yeah. And I'm late to stuff.

01:21:16.310 --> 01:21:20.689
Okay. I am. I can be 15 minutes late occasionally.

01:21:20.789 --> 01:21:25.609
Sure. But it's almost always Jack. Right. Almost

01:21:25.609 --> 01:21:29.579
every time. But that's the thing is like. Your

01:21:29.579 --> 01:21:32.220
excuse is, I was getting ready. Like, I hate

01:21:32.220 --> 01:21:35.760
it. I hate that. I was so mad. Like, I see those

01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:38.760
posts on Twitter and on TikTok where, like, my

01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:41.739
dinner reservation is at 6, me at 5 .59, and

01:21:41.739 --> 01:21:43.380
they're, like, getting into the shower or whatever,

01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:45.020
and they're, like, a cute little hamster with

01:21:45.020 --> 01:21:48.100
a bow on their head. It's infuriating to me.

01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:54.649
What do you mean? Anyway, the restaurant still

01:21:54.649 --> 01:21:57.050
seats them, whatever. So Whitney starts to talk

01:21:57.050 --> 01:21:59.090
about how she feels judged by Lisa and she dances

01:21:59.090 --> 01:22:00.890
around the word swinger because she feels like

01:22:00.890 --> 01:22:03.130
if that comes into the conversation, the conversation

01:22:03.130 --> 01:22:05.010
starts to revolve around whether or not she's

01:22:05.010 --> 01:22:09.649
a swinger. And here's my thing. If Whitney's

01:22:09.649 --> 01:22:13.770
a swinger. Whitney. What? You said Wendy. Oh,

01:22:13.829 --> 01:22:16.880
I'm sorry. If Whitney's a swinger. I want Whitney

01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:19.140
to be a swinger. I think Whitney and Justin are

01:22:19.140 --> 01:22:21.779
an incredibly hot couple. And I think if there's

01:22:21.779 --> 01:22:24.539
love to share, I'll share it. That's beautiful.

01:22:24.779 --> 01:22:28.420
And also, can we talk about she's the only one

01:22:28.420 --> 01:22:30.960
who has brought this to light on the show. She

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:34.199
said Lisa threatened to use it against her on

01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:38.770
camera. Right. She never said it on camera. She's

01:22:38.770 --> 01:22:40.930
probably not going to use it against you because

01:22:40.930 --> 01:22:43.069
it doesn't seem like she has a lot of evidence.

01:22:43.729 --> 01:22:47.510
And you're the one. You're the only one that's

01:22:47.510 --> 01:22:50.909
ever said swinger. Like, why are you doing that?

01:22:51.189 --> 01:22:54.750
Anyway. But yeah, like it's I don't care if anyone's

01:22:54.750 --> 01:22:56.310
a swinger. I want you to swing. But like, it

01:22:56.310 --> 01:22:58.409
feels like. No, it's not even about that. It's

01:22:58.409 --> 01:23:01.350
just like. It feels like we're. Talking about

01:23:01.350 --> 01:23:04.789
a little too much. Right. Are you advertising?

01:23:05.229 --> 01:23:07.829
Right. And by the way, I'll sign right up. Yeah.

01:23:08.409 --> 01:23:12.050
You're hot. Your husband is hot. They're so hot.

01:23:12.310 --> 01:23:15.850
And like for a husband that's he's almost 20

01:23:15.850 --> 01:23:18.189
years older than Whitney. Like Justin's hot.

01:23:18.529 --> 01:23:23.449
And he's like the most kind, gentle soul on the

01:23:23.449 --> 01:23:25.550
show. I want to hug him. I just want to hug from

01:23:25.550 --> 01:23:31.050
him. He just seems so cute. Anyway. So Lisa says

01:23:31.050 --> 01:23:32.710
she doesn't judge Whitney because she doesn't

01:23:32.710 --> 01:23:35.010
care enough to judge Whitney. And I thought that

01:23:35.010 --> 01:23:36.930
was the most cunt thing anyone could ever say.

01:23:36.989 --> 01:23:39.729
I loved that. Yeah, but it felt like it was just

01:23:39.729 --> 01:23:42.149
pure venom. Like she doesn't actually mean that.

01:23:42.409 --> 01:23:45.050
She was just. Oh, I think she absolutely meant

01:23:45.050 --> 01:23:48.829
it. I don't think so. I think she has some weird

01:23:48.829 --> 01:23:51.390
reason she does not want to be associated with

01:23:51.390 --> 01:23:54.689
her or Heather. And that in itself means you

01:23:54.689 --> 01:23:56.770
care about her a little too much. She's living

01:23:56.770 --> 01:24:00.720
rent free in your head. That's fair. Heather

01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:02.979
says she doesn't feel like there's been loving

01:24:02.979 --> 01:24:05.100
kindness between her and Lisa. And Lisa says

01:24:05.100 --> 01:24:07.760
her intent is always good and she's OK with how

01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:11.260
the group perceives her. Yeah, she seems like

01:24:11.260 --> 01:24:15.600
she went into this dinner. If she were a porcupine,

01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:19.439
all of her quills are up. Yes. It also feels

01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:22.319
like she went to media training because like

01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:24.720
if you hear how she like markets, I mean, she

01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:26.779
owns a marketing company. So like she's marketing

01:24:26.779 --> 01:24:30.729
herself as. I'm a good person. And you know I'm

01:24:30.729 --> 01:24:33.510
a good person. And I don't think Lisa Barlow

01:24:33.510 --> 01:24:35.310
is a bad person. Let me just say that. I'll go

01:24:35.310 --> 01:24:37.890
on record saying that. I just said last episode

01:24:37.890 --> 01:24:40.189
that she's my favorite on the show. Yes. I love

01:24:40.189 --> 01:24:44.649
her. But it feels like she's trying to convince

01:24:44.649 --> 01:24:48.189
other people that she's good. And why? I don't

01:24:48.189 --> 01:24:51.130
know. It's a weird dichotomy that we're seeing

01:24:51.130 --> 01:24:54.149
here. She's being very defensive for no reason.

01:24:54.189 --> 01:24:57.050
That's the word, yes. And you know what it kind

01:24:57.050 --> 01:24:59.529
of gives? What? Not as bad, and I don't hate

01:24:59.529 --> 01:25:03.310
her for it nearly as much. She's ultra defensive,

01:25:03.569 --> 01:25:08.210
just like Demi on the last season of Secret Lives

01:25:08.210 --> 01:25:11.189
of Mormon Wives. Yes, she is. Just like, you

01:25:11.189 --> 01:25:13.250
can't say anything to her without her being like,

01:25:13.289 --> 01:25:16.189
ah! But what you will see, and this is what...

01:25:16.470 --> 01:25:18.529
really starts to bother me about lisa barlow

01:25:18.529 --> 01:25:20.989
is like she does the same thing dimmy does is

01:25:20.989 --> 01:25:23.810
she gets loud like she's it's like if we're fighting

01:25:23.810 --> 01:25:28.789
whoever is the loudest wins right and that i'm

01:25:28.789 --> 01:25:32.149
just like you've lost the plot babe i also don't

01:25:32.149 --> 01:25:35.630
feel like she goes into these conversations with

01:25:35.630 --> 01:25:41.130
the intent of solving anything no no because

01:25:41.130 --> 01:25:44.319
she's right Right. As far as she's concerned,

01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.060
she is correct. She wants to prove to the other

01:25:47.060 --> 01:25:50.180
girl and America that she is correct. She's not

01:25:50.180 --> 01:25:53.159
going into these conversations being like, I

01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:55.819
want to fix our relationship or anything like

01:25:55.819 --> 01:25:59.420
that. And that does bother me. Because you see

01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:02.659
it big time once we get to the reunion of this

01:26:02.659 --> 01:26:06.439
season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I'll tell

01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:07.899
you, it gets worse next season. Yeah. It gets

01:26:07.899 --> 01:26:11.199
real bad next season. Yeah. I've started season

01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:16.140
two. I just, yeah. I don't know why she's like

01:26:16.140 --> 01:26:19.300
that. I don't either. I loved her before she

01:26:19.300 --> 01:26:22.760
started the whole show. I would love to be friends

01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:24.859
with Lisa Barlow. Like, let me just tell you

01:26:24.859 --> 01:26:26.539
right now, I would love to be friends with Lisa

01:26:26.539 --> 01:26:28.520
Barlow. I think she's probably one of the most

01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.619
incredibly generous people out there. I think

01:26:30.619 --> 01:26:32.779
she's probably so fun to be around. And I think

01:26:32.779 --> 01:26:36.460
she's probably incredibly funny on and off camera

01:26:36.460 --> 01:26:40.000
sometimes. I just wish she knew that she was

01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.869
likable without having to yell about it. Yeah,

01:26:43.949 --> 01:26:45.789
like because it seems like she's trying to prove

01:26:45.789 --> 01:26:49.449
something. Right. Right. Yeah. It's like I wish

01:26:49.449 --> 01:26:53.229
you understood that you are so much more likable

01:26:53.229 --> 01:26:57.909
when you are chill. Yeah. But then to close out

01:26:57.909 --> 01:27:01.050
the dinner, we get into a text thread where Lisa

01:27:01.050 --> 01:27:04.369
sent a thumbs up emoji to Lisa and Lisa interpreted

01:27:04.369 --> 01:27:08.529
it as a fuck you. You said Lisa sent a thumbs

01:27:08.529 --> 01:27:12.939
up to Lisa. No. Heather sent a thumbs up to Lisa

01:27:12.939 --> 01:27:18.420
and Lisa interpreted it as a fuck you. Did I

01:27:18.420 --> 01:27:20.439
not write that? No, that's what you wrote. But

01:27:20.439 --> 01:27:22.579
what you said out loud was Lisa sent. Oh, I'm

01:27:22.579 --> 01:27:26.800
sorry. OK, sorry. Heather sent a thumbs up emoji

01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:29.939
to Lisa and Lisa interpreted it as a fuck you.

01:27:31.630 --> 01:27:34.630
and this is a this is a gen z thing that i've

01:27:34.630 --> 01:27:36.989
i've had fights with one of my cousins about

01:27:36.989 --> 01:27:38.989
this where i'm just like that's that's not what

01:27:38.989 --> 01:27:40.689
it means it just means okay whatever and like

01:27:40.689 --> 01:27:43.689
can it be seen as like whatever jesus christ

01:27:43.689 --> 01:27:46.729
it's a it's a fucking emoji i feel like it has

01:27:46.729 --> 01:27:51.229
the same energy of saying k sure like that's

01:27:51.229 --> 01:27:56.300
what it is the gen z version of is like like

01:27:56.300 --> 01:27:58.359
i don't know especially if you say something

01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:02.359
like emotional or apologetic or something like

01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:05.319
that and instead of having anything thoughtful

01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:07.939
to say you react to it with a thumbs up that

01:28:07.939 --> 01:28:12.479
is a little bit like shady sure but then we get

01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:16.380
into fighting about an emoji and lisa literally

01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:21.210
says out loud don't diminish the thumbs up jesus

01:28:21.210 --> 01:28:24.609
christ yeah it's the drama i do feel like it

01:28:24.609 --> 01:28:27.069
probably took lisa a lot to like send that text

01:28:27.069 --> 01:28:28.770
in the first place and that's why she wanted

01:28:28.770 --> 01:28:30.609
like an honest answer and i'll give her that

01:28:30.609 --> 01:28:35.579
but like take the answer you're given lisa Just

01:28:35.579 --> 01:28:39.220
be like, if anything, be like, I wish you would

01:28:39.220 --> 01:28:41.819
have accepted my apology. I wish we could have

01:28:41.819 --> 01:28:45.060
talked that out and then drop it. Right. But

01:28:45.060 --> 01:28:47.680
then here here again with Heather, it's how we

01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.159
started the episode. It's how we're ending the

01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:51.359
episode. Heather's like, that's not what it meant.

01:28:51.420 --> 01:28:53.119
That's not what it meant at all. She gets into

01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:55.399
a confessional. And again, I love Heather Gay.

01:28:55.479 --> 01:28:57.859
I wish I wish I had a mom like Heather Gay. I

01:28:57.859 --> 01:28:59.180
think it's so funny when she does this, but it

01:28:59.180 --> 01:29:03.340
is messy as fuck. Exactly. Where the producer

01:29:03.340 --> 01:29:07.029
goes. the thumbs up emoji and Heather goes it

01:29:07.029 --> 01:29:13.409
was absolutely a fuck you oh my god Heather there's

01:29:13.409 --> 01:29:18.340
something to be said for like trying to calm

01:29:18.340 --> 01:29:21.619
the situation at hand and being like, it's just

01:29:21.619 --> 01:29:24.880
a thumbs up. Don't, don't freak out. It's gaslighting.

01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:27.199
What she's doing is gaslighting. Yes, she is

01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:33.939
gaslighting. And I understand. It's just so funny.

01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:37.399
So I'll ask the same question. She does that

01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:40.460
so many times this season. She does it the entire

01:29:40.460 --> 01:29:43.899
series. Every time she talks to Jen, she says

01:29:43.899 --> 01:29:45.659
something to Jen and then she turns around and

01:29:45.659 --> 01:29:48.659
she's like, it's an honor to be your friend.

01:29:48.699 --> 01:29:50.760
It's okay. It's like, Hey, pretty bird. Like

01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:53.539
it's like, it's very bad. And then it's just

01:29:53.539 --> 01:29:58.920
out of her fucking mind. So I asked the same

01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:02.069
question last week. About who you'd want to be

01:30:02.069 --> 01:30:04.189
friends with from this cast. Has that has that

01:30:04.189 --> 01:30:10.810
answer changed this week? So. I still will stand

01:30:10.810 --> 01:30:13.489
behind Lisa Barlow, I think, because at this

01:30:13.489 --> 01:30:17.489
point in the show, she is my favorite. OK. However,

01:30:17.729 --> 01:30:20.710
she is on thin ice for me after this episode.

01:30:22.409 --> 01:30:26.329
OK. I was still 10 toes down for her the first

01:30:26.329 --> 01:30:29.010
time I watched this, though. I was like, yeah.

01:30:30.010 --> 01:30:33.970
I still like you. Yeah. This was the first episode

01:30:33.970 --> 01:30:37.229
I remember watching where I started getting hard

01:30:37.229 --> 01:30:41.890
eyes for Whitney, though. OK. I just think. Yeah.

01:30:42.069 --> 01:30:45.829
Yeah. What about you? Who would you be? Heather

01:30:45.829 --> 01:30:49.670
or Lisa? Yeah. I don't think I really got on

01:30:49.670 --> 01:30:52.369
the Heather Gay train until later in this season

01:30:52.369 --> 01:30:55.310
when she starts talking about some heavier stuff.

01:30:55.829 --> 01:30:58.470
And I was like, oh, I really like you. Yeah.

01:30:58.529 --> 01:31:01.510
I think. my favorite moments with heather are

01:31:01.510 --> 01:31:04.130
where she's just being the best mom on god's

01:31:04.130 --> 01:31:06.550
green earth i'm like oh this is where you really

01:31:06.550 --> 01:31:09.489
shine because like you yeah even if you're a

01:31:09.489 --> 01:31:12.449
little bit messy even if there's some problematic

01:31:12.449 --> 01:31:15.689
stuff with like your how you're separating from

01:31:15.689 --> 01:31:17.789
the church and like you're processing some of

01:31:17.789 --> 01:31:20.810
that even with all of that you are still the

01:31:20.810 --> 01:31:22.850
best mom on god's green earth and that's not

01:31:22.850 --> 01:31:25.109
to say that anyone's less of a good mom because

01:31:25.109 --> 01:31:27.420
i think This show is nothing but good mothers.

01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:30.260
Heather is an incredible mom, though. Yeah, I

01:31:30.260 --> 01:31:35.460
think she just really gets it. And I yeah, I'll

01:31:35.460 --> 01:31:37.720
talk about her more later in this season. I actually

01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:41.800
really, really love Heather Gay. Like would take

01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:45.779
a bullet for Heather Gay. But I don't think you

01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:49.460
really see it until later in the season. Like

01:31:49.460 --> 01:31:53.689
after this episode, I was kind of like. she's

01:31:53.689 --> 01:31:56.970
messy i think that's what i liked about her yeah

01:31:56.970 --> 01:31:59.670
no i love that she has that side to her she's

01:31:59.670 --> 01:32:02.869
like very real i think to generalize her as a

01:32:02.869 --> 01:32:06.649
person she is so amazing like she is such so

01:32:06.649 --> 01:32:10.010
real and like outstanding from the rest of the

01:32:10.010 --> 01:32:12.850
cast for sure well dear listener that brings

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