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Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. What's the last

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song you listened to? Unfortunately, the truth

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is it was Don't by Bryson Tiller. If I'm being

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a thousand percent honest, I don't even know

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if I remember that song. Oh, well, we can't get

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copyrighted if I sing it. So it's the one that

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like has the huge, like a super long buildup.

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And then he goes, don't. And then it's like,

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don't play with it. Don't be dishonest. Yes.

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Yeah. Yes. I do remember this. My last song was

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Attention by Kesha Slater and Rose Gray. So much

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more cunt than mine. It is. And what I have to

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believe happened was Kesha went into a lab and

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said, I know what the gays need this summer.

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And then they just built this song in the lab.

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The idea of Kesha and Slater knowing it. knowing

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each other is so incredible to me. I have a feeling

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they're, like, you know how you're pinned at

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the top of my iMessage? Yeah. I have a feeling

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they're pinned at the top of each other's. Like,

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they text daily, for sure. We have a lot this

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week, also. Where do you want to start? Yeah.

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Okay, well, let's just say... Last week we had

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listeners from all over the globe. We did. All

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over. And we've cracked 100 listeners. Finally.

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We've made it. So this in the grand scheme of

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podcasting means so little, but we cracked 100

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listeners. And like there's this like where I

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upload the podcast every week. It like gives

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you analytics of like where the. listens are

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coming from. So 90 % of our listeners are in

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the United States, like scattered across the

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country. Um, but we have listeners in the United

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Kingdom, Malaysia, Russia. Um, we have listeners

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in Ireland, Switzerland, Australia, Finland,

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Egypt, Germany, and the Netherlands. Like how

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wild is that? My Deutsch people. Yeah, it's beautiful.

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I love that. We're going on a world tour. Listen,

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I'm ready. Yeah, tomorrow. Starting tomorrow.

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Maybe when we get 200 listeners. My pregnancy

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update is also my complaint. So however you want

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to do that. You tell me. Go buck wild. am now

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well tomorrow i'll be 16 weeks pregnant that

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is wild i know which makes the baby the size

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of an avocado and like five inches long um which

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is beautiful and amazing and his ears are in

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the right place and he has eyeballs it's it's

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great his bones have ossified or whatever beautiful

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we are not ever shitting on the miracle of pregnancy

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however what is getting a little old to me is

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like okay so like regardless of how you want

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to put it if you don't start your pregnancy with

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a flat tummy it looks like you're just getting

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bigger for a while before you like round out

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which is beautiful and great. You need to have

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space for your baby. But like anytime I try to

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complain about that, people are like, you're

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pregnant. It's the miracle of childbirth. And

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I'm like, OK, I don't look pregnant, really.

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I look like I ate a large dinner and a large

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breakfast and a large lunch. So I don't know.

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That's my complaint. Because there really is

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no winning side. Because if someone were to call

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me fat, I would be like, I'm pregnant! But when

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I complain about feeling fat, there's also, like,

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nothing I can do about it. You know what I mean?

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I don't know how to explain that. I hear what

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you're saying. You're in a... not in a weird

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space but like I think you're in a weird head

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space with where your body's at and like how

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it's changing yeah and I I feel like body dysmorphia

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is pretty common in pregnancy oh it's gotta be

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yeah especially for people like me like my weight

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has fluctuated a lot in my adulthood and so it's

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like Like, I don't know. It's like triggering

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almost to just to like get bigger because it's

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not just your stomach either. Like everything

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is bigger. Yeah. And it's beautiful and amazing.

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And it will result in the most beautiful baby

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and all of that. Yes. But in the time being,

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I'm like, wow. A couple of things. One, I don't

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think you look big like you look like a normal

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size for someone who is. I don't know what a

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normal size is for someone who's 16 weeks pregnant.

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But if you said to me, this is what normal size

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looks like for 16 weeks, I would wholeheartedly

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believe that. Yeah. And that's the other thing.

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Like, I used to be on the heavier side. And so

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I know it can also be triggering to hear someone

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my size, like pretty normal size, be like, I

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feel fat. Like, that's so triggering. At the

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same time, this is my experience. That's fair.

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I mean, there's nothing wrong with that being

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your experience. I mean, if you're being honest

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about it. And I also think I carried Jack really

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low and I'm also carrying this baby really low.

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And so as opposed to what? So like instead of

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it, instead of my belly button. let's say like

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going straight out forward, it's underneath my

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belly button that is getting bigger, which is

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a very triggering area for me, like area of my

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body. I don't know how to explain that. So like

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early in pregnancy, the baby is like in your

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pelvis. And so it's not like the middle of your

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stomach is like popping out and you're a perfect,

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beautiful watermelon. Sure. It's. the bottom

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of your stomach that kind of pops out first,

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especially for me. That's just how it's been.

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OK. And so it's like it's giving big fupa, you

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know? No, it's not. I promise it's not. Yeah.

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You know, I'd be honest with you. Like, if you

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ask me if it was, it's not. I promise. Yeah.

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It's like a it's like a body dysmorphia thing.

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But like even. I can't show you all, but I'm

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going to show Travis on my app. It kind of shows

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where a baby is and it like makes sense for how

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I'm feeling. Do you see what I mean? It's like

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lower than you think. Yeah, I. I guess like knowing

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that the baby comes out of your vagina, that

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makes sense that it would be there, but like.

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When you see a pregnant girl, you're like, oh,

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the baby's, like, up in the middle of her belly.

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Right. But that's not, like, true, especially

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when the baby's still small. But I also think

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a lot of that is, like, it pushing the rest of

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your body outwards. Like, because the baby, like,

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sits under all that, right? Yeah, your intestines,

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like, move around. And your liver does, I think.

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There are a bunch of things that, like, move

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around. And you're out of breath because there's

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more pressure on your diaphragm. On your lungs,

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yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah. I don't. I just like that

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I'm not going to ever experience that. I know.

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It must be beautiful to be a male. It is. Yeah.

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Anyway. Anyway. So I guess I'll complain. And

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my complaint had to be changed this week. We're

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still going to talk about what I was going to

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complain about. I have a problem this week with

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people that ride tandem bikes. Who are you doing

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that for? Who is that for? Why? Why are we doing

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that? I would argue that you're putting on a

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show for the world that doesn't need to be seen.

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I hear that, I do. I feel like it's the same

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way I feel about Valentine's Day. Yes, exactly

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the same. Yeah, we disagree about Valentine's

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Day, too. I love Valentine's Day, and I love

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tandem bikes, and I love love. I love love. I

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love... people showing their love outwardly i

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think it's beautiful but complain away so i was

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pulling out of my driveway this morning to come

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to your house and these people were just riding

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by on a tandem bike you're swerving all over

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the road you can't be happy i don't know there

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was a couple in my old neighborhood growing up

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that always rode around on their tandem bike

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and they looked so in love and happy and they

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did not swerve all over the road so maybe it's

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a test of your love if you can like keep the

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tandem maybe okay so maybe these people weren't

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doing it right but i can definitively tell you

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unless it's with you i will never ride a tandem

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bike i don't want to i don't want to do that

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i'm not into it i hate it i hate everything about

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it I think it's cute. Have I ever ridden on a

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tandem bike? No. So I'm sure there are factors

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at play that I am not aware of. But for the most

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part, I think they're cute. OK, I won't take

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that away from you. It's a show of affection.

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And dear listener, what you must know is that

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there are not a lot of things Emma and I disagree

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on. Emma could turn against. Just about anything

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and turn with her, I will. I will. I will 100.

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I'm sorry, 99 .5 % of the time be on her side.

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This is just one of those takes where we're not

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on the same page. And that's okay. I think people

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mostly agree with you, though. I would say I'm

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probably the... In the minority? Yeah. Good.

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100%. Because I know I am about Valentine's Day.

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I hate... Because everywhere I've ever gone in

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my life, they're like, I hate Valentine's Day.

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Anti -Valentine's Day party. It's not even that

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I want to be anti -Valentine's Day. It's like...

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I want it to be a non thing. I get like when

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you're in a relationship and it's your first

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Valentine's day, I'll give you that. That's fine.

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I've I'll stop you right there. I love Valentine's

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day. Even when I'm single, even when I'm single,

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even if I'm bitter about being single, I still

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love Valentine's day because there are still

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people I love. I just celebrate my friends and

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my family. I love you so much. Here's some candy.

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I love it. We just did that four minutes ago

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in your candy bowl. It wasn't Valentine's Day.

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Yeah, but they weren't heart -shaped and it wasn't

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for Valentine's Day. Okay, and here's the thing

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I have about the argument because I know what

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people are thinking. The, if you love someone,

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you should show them you love them every single

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day and Valentine's Day shouldn't be special.

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Ah, ah, ah, ah. Do you have that argument for

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Mother's Day? If you love your mother. I certainly

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don't. You should. Well, yeah. Father's Day then.

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You appreciate your father every day of the year.

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Yes. Right. But do you not tell him Happy Father's

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Day? Okay. That's what I thought. It's the same

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idea for Valentine's Day. Just because you love

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someone all the time doesn't mean you can't have

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one special day where you show it a little extra.

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Okay. We'll revisit this. In February, when we

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do our Valentine's Day special. And you can have

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this all you want. I want you to live in love.

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Just know, I hate everything about Valentine's

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Day. I hate the consumerism of it. I hate the...

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That is true. I hate the... You have to be in

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a relationship for Valentine's Day. I hate the...

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If you want to go out to dinner and you're not

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thinking to yourself, oh, God, it's going to

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be February 14th. You have to make reservations

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months in advance. I don't like the fact that

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it's like it was invented by Hallmark and that

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like people feel like they have to spend hundreds

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of dollars and plan for months for it. That you're

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kind of losing the spirit for me a little bit.

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But mostly I love Valentine's Day. That, yeah.

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I wish people put that same level of energy into

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like their anniversaries and like that's where

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the energy for Valentine's Day went. That's what

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I wish. Do you know what we've done? Because

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I love Valentine's Day. My anniversary is on

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Valentine's Day. I'm going to kill myself. I

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love that. Valentine's Day. How did I not know

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that? I don't know. Because it doesn't really

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matter. Because my birthday is February 1st.

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And then Kenny's is February 11th. And then Valentine's

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Day is on the 14th. So we just make it one big

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celebration. That's like when we went to Mexico,

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it was for that. When we went on a cruise, it

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was for that. Got it. We always do at least like

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a fancy dinner or something. Yeah. I love that.

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We call it B -Day V -Day. It's very cute. I don't

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want to go on anymore. So speaking of love, I

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sent him a tech talk earlier. It's been making

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its way around tech talk, and I've seen a couple

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of reactions to it. And I'm curious how you feel

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about this and how listener you feel about this.

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This girl went with her. boyfriend, fiance, whatever

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we're going to call him, because we're going

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to get into what he's called in the video that

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is awful. Like, I would argue that I hate it.

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It's an old fashioned thing. I hate it. I hate

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it, too. I really do. I really do. So this girl

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goes and she says, I went with my honey, my sweetheart

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to the jewelry store to pick out my wedding ring

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or my engagement ring. And they design it. They

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do the whole song and dance. And they say to

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her, do you want to get the warranty on it? She

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says, yeah, of course we want to get the warranty

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on it. No big deal. They say, OK, great. We're

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going to send you emails every six months to

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remind you to clean the ring and to like come

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in and like get the bracket things or the prongs

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like serviced or whatever. She gives them her

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email to put on file for that. I guess as a result,

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she also started getting the order confirmations

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saying, hey, the ring has been ordered. Hey,

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the ring is like the final payment was made for

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the ring. And then in the I guess in one or both

00:15:50.210 --> 00:15:53.809
of the emails that she got, she received pictures

00:15:53.809 --> 00:15:58.419
of the final product of the ring. that she helped

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design right like she picked it out and she told

00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.440
them what she wanted if anything she should be

00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.080
glad she got those pictures we'll get into it

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well so she's on here on tiktok saying they ruined

00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.059
the surprise they took the element of surprise

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away from it and i'm like you you knew you were

00:16:18.419 --> 00:16:21.860
getting engaged so here's how i feel about this

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woman right number one Like you said, she knows

00:16:26.379 --> 00:16:28.759
she's getting engaged. Like she already knew

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that. Number two, if you designed a ring yourself

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and you had specifications for how you wanted

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it to look, what shape diamond, all of that,

00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.039
wouldn't you want pictures to make sure your

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vision has come to life? And number three, if

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you didn't want anything to be spoiled, if you

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didn't want these emails. Give them your man's

00:16:54.549 --> 00:16:58.669
email address. So that and I guess I didn't even

00:16:58.669 --> 00:17:01.509
think about like the picture piece of it. My

00:17:01.509 --> 00:17:05.670
thing is, is like. You knew you were going to

00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:09.410
the jewelry store. You knew you were planning

00:17:09.410 --> 00:17:13.769
a wedding. You knew at some point at some point

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between. Going to the jeweler and your wedding

00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:26.009
date, you would be proposed to. Right. So. It

00:17:26.009 --> 00:17:29.890
feels like she's looking for a reason to be mad.

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It's it's it feels like attention seeking behavior

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on the Internet to take it one step further.

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She goes on to say no amount of money is going

00:17:41.089 --> 00:17:43.210
to make us feel better. OK, then what what are

00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:45.210
you doing here? Tell me what you're doing right

00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:48.069
here on the Internet where you've turned off

00:17:48.069 --> 00:17:51.990
Stitch's duets and comments to your TikTok. That's

00:17:51.990 --> 00:17:53.990
because a bunch of people called her out on her

00:17:53.990 --> 00:17:57.230
own bullshit. Right. Everyone has a right to

00:17:57.230 --> 00:17:59.210
feel exactly how they want to feel about any

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situation. But I think about the person who's

00:18:02.450 --> 00:18:05.650
wedding you and I talk about a lot. And I know

00:18:05.650 --> 00:18:08.849
this is something that she would have done where

00:18:08.849 --> 00:18:11.849
she was an absolute demon monster the entire

00:18:11.849 --> 00:18:13.730
time we were getting ready for her wedding. And

00:18:13.730 --> 00:18:16.930
listener, one day we will open up about the Las

00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:22.059
Vegas bachelorette party and the. that led up

00:18:22.059 --> 00:18:25.539
to a wedding where that was probably one of the

00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:27.940
last times I spoke to someone who I considered

00:18:27.940 --> 00:18:33.039
to be one of my best friends. But it comes to

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the point with this individual who posted this

00:18:36.299 --> 00:18:40.400
TikTok where I wish she just would have said,

00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.279
God, I overreacted to that. At least I'm getting

00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.880
married. At least I have someone that loves me,

00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:47.960
my honey, my sweetheart. And let me just tell

00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.490
you something else. When someone says my honey,

00:18:50.509 --> 00:18:52.069
my sweetheart, when referring to their significant

00:18:52.069 --> 00:18:55.710
other, it makes me like I have a visceral reaction

00:18:55.710 --> 00:18:58.470
to it. I hate it so much. It just kind of gives

00:18:58.470 --> 00:19:01.809
me the ick. But I also feel like a more honest

00:19:01.809 --> 00:19:06.069
version of that video is her coming to terms

00:19:06.069 --> 00:19:11.210
with the fact that she regrets being part of

00:19:11.210 --> 00:19:14.650
the planning process for her engagement. And

00:19:14.650 --> 00:19:17.190
that I completely understand because I feel like

00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:21.470
she's projecting feelings she has about not feeling

00:19:21.470 --> 00:19:24.390
surprised when she got engaged. Oh, I see what

00:19:24.390 --> 00:19:28.009
you're saying. OK. And really, it's because she

00:19:28.009 --> 00:19:31.509
planned everything and went with her honey to

00:19:31.509 --> 00:19:35.289
do everything. And she's projecting it on the

00:19:35.289 --> 00:19:39.089
jeweler like they could have done something or

00:19:39.089 --> 00:19:43.230
like they didn't warn her. But it's like. It's

00:19:43.230 --> 00:19:47.390
OK to just go on TikTok and be like, hey, ladies,

00:19:47.450 --> 00:19:50.369
don't recommend designing your own engagement

00:19:50.369 --> 00:19:53.109
ring if you're like me. Yeah, that's a whole

00:19:53.109 --> 00:19:55.529
different thing. But the other piece of it, too,

00:19:55.609 --> 00:19:59.470
is like she gets on there and she's like. We've

00:19:59.470 --> 00:20:02.470
been waiting. So the couple had been together

00:20:02.470 --> 00:20:04.289
for seven years and she's like, I've been waiting

00:20:04.289 --> 00:20:06.950
seven years for that. We've been waiting seven

00:20:06.950 --> 00:20:09.930
years for this. And I've been waiting 27 years

00:20:09.930 --> 00:20:12.349
for this. And I'm like, oh, get off the cross,

00:20:12.670 --> 00:20:15.730
Mary. Like, what are we doing? I do understand.

00:20:16.750 --> 00:20:21.069
As little girls, we are trained to look forward

00:20:21.069 --> 00:20:24.349
to our wedding. That's the long and short of

00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:27.980
it. And so it does feel like. You've been waiting

00:20:27.980 --> 00:20:33.140
27 years for this. I get it. But like you gave

00:20:33.140 --> 00:20:36.339
the jeweler your email address. Jewelers are

00:20:36.339 --> 00:20:41.000
not new to the engagement process. So I guarantee

00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:43.940
she didn't get an email saying your ring has

00:20:43.940 --> 00:20:46.619
been picked up. Your engagement is happening

00:20:46.619 --> 00:20:49.880
on this day. Wear white, bitch. Like that's not

00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:54.849
what they did. I believe the story has been embellished.

00:20:54.910 --> 00:20:56.630
One of two things has happened. The story has

00:20:56.630 --> 00:21:02.630
been embellished a little bit to make it seem

00:21:02.630 --> 00:21:05.569
like it was more of a ruin to the surprise than

00:21:05.569 --> 00:21:10.250
anything else. Or B, she put her email in every

00:21:10.250 --> 00:21:15.730
box that could receive an email so she would

00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:17.509
have complete control over this process. And

00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:20.609
I'm willing to believe it was number two. Mm

00:21:20.609 --> 00:21:23.240
-hmm. Yeah. So that's where we're at. Because

00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:28.200
logically, if Kenny takes me to design a ring,

00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:31.359
he's like, you're picky. I want you to like it.

00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:35.500
I really want you to design it. I am never giving

00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:38.460
that jeweler my contact information. No. If you

00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:41.740
need payment, if it needs cleaned, if you want

00:21:41.740 --> 00:21:45.079
a review, talk to my man. Yes. He's buying it.

00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.740
I agree. So I feel like maybe she just got. A

00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:53.039
little type A over the ring situation. And now

00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.819
she regrets it. And it would be one thing, like

00:21:55.819 --> 00:21:58.200
I said, for her to hop on Twitter and say, I

00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:00.019
regret doing that. Yeah, but that's not what

00:22:00.019 --> 00:22:03.720
she did. She said the jeweler, the jeweler. Well,

00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:06.099
and that's it. And she's like on there like I'm

00:22:06.099 --> 00:22:08.539
scheduling meetings with the district manager.

00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:13.309
I wish the fuck I would. I wish the fuck I would.

00:22:13.509 --> 00:22:17.809
Imagine being a Karen about the people who made

00:22:17.809 --> 00:22:20.950
your wedding ring like to those people. Also,

00:22:20.990 --> 00:22:24.549
imagine going into a place of business where

00:22:24.549 --> 00:22:27.829
ostensibly they did everything that they were

00:22:27.829 --> 00:22:32.670
supposed to do. And they sent you an order confirmation

00:22:32.670 --> 00:22:36.990
to an email that you gave them and you want to

00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:40.849
speak to a district manager. No. No, no, no.

00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:45.289
I'm exhausted by that. Yeah. I'm exhausted by

00:22:45.289 --> 00:22:48.549
that. I really can't imagine behaving that way.

00:22:49.549 --> 00:22:52.150
It's this is exhausting. That's the long and

00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:54.150
short of it. This girl is exhausting. And like

00:22:54.150 --> 00:22:58.849
even watching the tick tock, we know I can think

00:22:58.849 --> 00:23:01.470
off the top of my head three girls that are exactly

00:23:01.470 --> 00:23:05.269
like this. Yeah. And I can definitively tell

00:23:05.269 --> 00:23:08.609
you I would be exhausted hearing this story with

00:23:08.609 --> 00:23:14.049
them. I have one other thing before we jump into

00:23:14.049 --> 00:23:19.430
reality roundup. Yeah, it's it's it's a push

00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:23.049
notification I got from the Arby's app. Arby's,

00:23:23.069 --> 00:23:26.710
please sponsor Bestie because you need to. Arby's,

00:23:26.710 --> 00:23:28.750
you were Bestie approved and you're about to

00:23:28.750 --> 00:23:34.839
hear why we. Emma and I have a tradition that

00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.339
we have formed over the last six podcast episodes

00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:42.720
where I will drive to her house and I'll pick

00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:46.019
up Arby's on the way there. Every time I get

00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.900
a push notification from the Arby's app last

00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:51.619
week saying, congratulations, you spent twenty

00:23:51.619 --> 00:23:53.519
five dollars on your last order. Here's five

00:23:53.519 --> 00:24:02.880
dollars off your next three orders. I said, thanks

00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.680
for repping us, fatty. Please. Oh, my God. I

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.779
said, thanks, Diva. I really, really appreciate

00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:15.660
that. Arby's, please sponsor us. Oh, my God.

00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.779
It's like when I used to vape, they would have

00:24:19.779 --> 00:24:22.440
loyalty cards. Shut the fuck up. No, they didn't.

00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:27.099
Yeah. Oh, yes, they did. This feels like an addiction.

00:24:27.740 --> 00:24:32.740
Oh, it. It very much was. Okay. It is. I'm not

00:24:32.740 --> 00:24:35.460
vaping anymore, but I still feel like it's an

00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:39.980
addiction. Anyways, yeah, every time I got to

00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:42.819
the end of that card and they were like, free

00:24:42.819 --> 00:24:46.500
vape, I was like, oh, my God, I'm a crackhead.

00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:53.119
Wow. Yeah, that was a dark, dark time. If anything,

00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:56.599
this baby has already given me a gift. The gift.

00:24:56.740 --> 00:24:59.200
For your lungs. Yeah. A gift of a clean lung.

00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:04.180
Being free of the vape. Do you remember that

00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:06.519
TikTok that was like, let's talk about this here

00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:11.779
epidemic that is this crack pipe? Yes. And here's

00:25:11.779 --> 00:25:14.680
the thing, I agree with all the videos about

00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.140
vaping and all the videos that are like, you're

00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:22.579
going to get cancer. You will get cancer. I hear

00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:25.819
you. It's a disgusting, disgusting thing. But

00:25:25.819 --> 00:25:30.940
like, it is also so hard to stop. If you need

00:25:30.940 --> 00:25:36.339
more information about that, go watch Tana Mongeau's

00:25:36.339 --> 00:25:40.160
most recent TikToks and podcast episodes and

00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.579
everything. Oh, does she get into it? Yeah. She's

00:25:42.579 --> 00:25:45.099
like quitting the vape is harder than quitting

00:25:45.099 --> 00:25:47.900
drinking. It's harder than quitting opiates.

00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:50.819
It's harder than quitting anything else that

00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:53.559
she's done. I'm sure it's just as bad as quitting

00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.579
smoking. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it's the same.

00:25:57.619 --> 00:26:00.119
It's kind of the same thing. It's nicotine. So

00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.359
it's like the same drug. And I would argue it's

00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.839
harder because like because it's more accessible.

00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.559
Yeah. A cigarette's like you have to go outside

00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.140
and like it's a whole thing. A vape, you can

00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:12.920
just pick that thing up anywhere, which is half

00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.000
the struggle. Yeah. Because it's like it would

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.880
be so easy for me to just pick up a vape right

00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.359
now. And for me, I feel like being pregnant made

00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.019
it. A whole lot easier to quit because it's like

00:26:24.019 --> 00:26:28.019
not for me. It's for a baby. But oh, my God,

00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:31.640
it is so hard. Are you ready for reality roundup?

00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.539
I am. Before we jump into secret lives and Mormon

00:26:34.539 --> 00:26:38.559
wives, I want to talk about one Miss Larsa Pippen.

00:26:40.730 --> 00:26:44.250
I'm so over Larissa Pippen. I've been over her

00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:49.369
since 2012 when she was originally on Real Housewives

00:26:49.369 --> 00:26:52.009
of Miami. I just saw a tweet the other day before

00:26:52.009 --> 00:26:56.369
we get to your thing that was like, the trend

00:26:56.369 --> 00:26:58.509
now is not to look like a Kardashian. It's not

00:26:58.509 --> 00:27:01.509
to have an artificial hourglass figure and fillers

00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:04.710
until you pop. And the tweet I saw was a quote

00:27:04.710 --> 00:27:07.369
tweet of that saying, someone tell Larissa Pippen.

00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.160
But actually, please don't tell Larson Pippen

00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:16.400
that because she is unrecognizable from who she

00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.740
was. And you will never find someone that is

00:27:18.740 --> 00:27:21.180
more supportive of elective surgeries than I

00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:26.660
am. You have you have seen me go to Dr. Turkle's

00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:29.660
office in Carmel just to have consultations just

00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:34.680
for funsies. Oh, yeah. I'm super pro doing whatever

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.019
you want to do to your body. Yes. To a point.

00:27:38.730 --> 00:27:40.970
OK, because there's also someone else I want

00:27:40.970 --> 00:27:43.029
to bring up on this point, and then we'll get

00:27:43.029 --> 00:27:47.329
back to Larsa Pippen. We just started Casa Amor

00:27:47.329 --> 00:27:52.390
in Love Island. Exactly. This woman is 21 years

00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:59.200
old and she looks. 35 easily because she is just

00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.160
filled to the brim with filler. She has a body

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.420
you would not believe. I am sure she's in the

00:28:04.420 --> 00:28:07.160
gym every single day. She's never had a carb

00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.940
in her life. But then she goes and fills her

00:28:09.940 --> 00:28:12.799
whole entire face with filler. And it's like

00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.160
no one's even looking at your body. No one is

00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:21.359
like it is hard to tell what you look like. I

00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.180
have a hard time with the filler because if you

00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:28.019
if you look at. The drag queens from RuPaul's

00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:30.660
Drag Race who it's it's always the all stars

00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:33.839
makeover that they do. So they have their original

00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.079
seasons of Drag Race and then they get a Groupon

00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:43.900
to to a two for one filler special. And it is

00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:48.630
Juvederm and. It's it's a lot. There's a lot

00:28:48.630 --> 00:28:51.170
happening there. And I think the main problem

00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.329
is people doing it too early in life. But sure.

00:28:54.569 --> 00:28:57.369
But that's the thing is like you were overloaded.

00:28:57.369 --> 00:29:00.450
You were filled to the brim. And like it's it's

00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:04.210
the lips. It's the cheeks. It's the who. And

00:29:04.210 --> 00:29:07.009
that's fine. Like get get the filler. But like

00:29:07.009 --> 00:29:09.190
you were unrecognizable from who you were. Bringing

00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:11.750
me back to Larsa Pippen. If you look at side

00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:15.259
by sides of seasons. One and two of The Real

00:29:15.259 --> 00:29:18.779
Housewives of Miami and current seasons of The

00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:20.079
Real Housewives of Miami from where it's come

00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.059
back. She is you. You couldn't tell me that's

00:29:23.059 --> 00:29:26.240
the same person. Right. I know you want to know

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.240
who else is kind of going outside. Have you seen

00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.640
Adriana Lima? Yeah, that's hard. Why did you

00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.799
do that? Why did you do that? Yeah, it's so hard

00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.720
to watch because it's like. We've lost the idea

00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.599
of aging gracefully and we're trying to just

00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.440
not age at all. And that's not, that's not okay.

00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:53.160
That's not. But Bravo Insider today sent out,

00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.039
or I'm sorry, yesterday sent out a text to the

00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.579
Bravo Insider community saying, from public breakups

00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:01.940
to friendship feuds, Larsa Pippen's been through

00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:04.500
it all during her time on Real Houses of Miami.

00:30:05.529 --> 00:30:07.970
Now she's serving up advice exclusively for Bravo

00:30:07.970 --> 00:30:10.589
Insiders, and she's ready to answer your questions.

00:30:10.690 --> 00:30:14.109
Hit the link to send yours in. Do you want to

00:30:14.109 --> 00:30:17.710
know who I'd rather take advice from? RFK Jr.

00:30:17.970 --> 00:30:21.289
about my health. I would rather take advice from

00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.470
that snake in the Garden of Eden in the Bible.

00:30:23.769 --> 00:30:27.910
I would rather take advice from Dakota about

00:30:27.910 --> 00:30:32.140
how to. Manage a healthy relationship. Oh, yeah.

00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:34.980
I would rather take advice from Jack about how

00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:38.640
to remain quiet during a podcast sometimes. Right.

00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:41.900
Tet Hanks about how to keep your public image

00:30:41.900 --> 00:30:46.299
up. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'd rather. Who is

00:30:46.299 --> 00:30:49.019
looking for her advice? I'd rather take advice

00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:53.420
from Z -Way about how to. Have a take that people

00:30:53.420 --> 00:30:56.720
don't find funny. Yeah. About how to not be charming

00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.500
and wonderful. I've lost the plot a little bit

00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:02.000
here, but like you see what I'm saying? I just.

00:31:03.099 --> 00:31:06.039
And what it feels like Bravo is trying to do,

00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:07.880
and they've done this with a couple of other

00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.440
housewives. Ramona is one that I'm thinking of

00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.460
where they they push her just a little too hard.

00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:18.519
They push her to like. Because they've doubled

00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:20.000
down on her for the next season. And they're

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.440
like, we're stuck with her. We got to do something

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.259
with her. So I do not like Larsa Pippen. When

00:31:26.259 --> 00:31:28.319
we start recapping The Real Housewives of Miami,

00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:31.819
you will see how viscerally I react to her. I

00:31:31.819 --> 00:31:34.200
cannot stand Larsa Pippen. You know who I would

00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.470
text for advice? Giselle. 100 % I would take

00:31:38.470 --> 00:31:40.609
advice from Giselle. I would love advice from

00:31:40.609 --> 00:31:41.690
Giselle. I've talked about her on the podcast

00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:45.630
already. I love her so much. If they sent me

00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:47.690
a text and they were like, do you have a question

00:31:47.690 --> 00:31:50.410
for Giselle Bryant? I would immediately text

00:31:50.410 --> 00:31:55.190
them back. One last one. I would rather take

00:31:55.190 --> 00:31:57.670
advice from Juan Dixon about how to be faithful

00:31:57.670 --> 00:32:04.279
to a beautiful woman. Poor Robin. Poor Robin.

00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.940
I love her. And he's so hot. Like, I get it.

00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:13.339
But, girl. So let's jump in. Yeah. Secret Lives

00:32:13.339 --> 00:32:16.500
of Mormon Wives. We're recapping episodes three

00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:22.079
and four today. Episode three. The Book of Retribution.

00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.200
We open up at the Halloween party where we left

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.299
off. Where Taylor is screaming at Chase for being

00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:30.559
a liar. Which he deserves. While the guys are

00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.779
upstairs getting ready for their Chippendales

00:32:32.779 --> 00:32:37.400
dance. Chase deserves to get yelled at. Chase

00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.960
deserves everything that comes to him. He can't

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:46.880
own shit. And I thought it was so funny, actually,

00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.380
the like difference in vibes when they would

00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:51.500
like cut to upstairs when they were like practicing

00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:54.200
with their Chippendales guy versus Taylor being

00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.890
like, you disgusting. You trash. You're stupid.

00:32:59.069 --> 00:33:03.240
You're trash. I loved it. I loved it. That's

00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.119
excellent television. Miranda runs over to comfort

00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.440
Chase's new girlfriend, which I honestly, I think

00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.539
it's impressive. And I think I like her because

00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:14.779
that has to take some level of security and confidence

00:33:14.779 --> 00:33:17.700
in yourself to be like, oh, I'm going to go comfort

00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:21.319
this girl. That girl needs help. And I felt so

00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.359
bad for his girlfriend because that's such an

00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.279
awkward position to be in where like everyone

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.099
is yelling at your man. You've stepped out publicly

00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:34.710
now like you're on. on tv with him and now you

00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:36.829
just you're talking about his affairs and his

00:33:36.829 --> 00:33:39.309
swinging and also his ex -wife is there and like

00:33:39.309 --> 00:33:42.970
it's just oh i can't imagine being in her position

00:33:42.970 --> 00:33:47.910
like that is so i feel bad for her and i feel

00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:49.890
like this girl is probably a really sweet girl

00:33:49.890 --> 00:33:53.609
this is i feel like this is chase's mo is he

00:33:53.609 --> 00:33:58.700
finds a very pretty girl probably fresh out of

00:33:58.700 --> 00:34:02.240
the church and says, I'm going to get her. I

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.819
have a feeling he's finding his women at church.

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.639
Oh, probably. So Layla, who dated Chase for like

00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.400
a month, goes, goes to him and like says, no

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.179
one wants to hear. Fuck you. This is not what

00:34:14.179 --> 00:34:16.960
we're. This is your trash, basically. And then

00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.179
he's like, don't don't tell me what to do. And

00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:20.760
then she goes, go talk shit about this on your

00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.679
podcast. And he goes, don't make fun of my podcast.

00:34:25.230 --> 00:34:28.389
I loved that part. I thought that was so funny.

00:34:28.590 --> 00:34:32.610
That was so funny. I didn't know he had a podcast,

00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:37.110
but I love that for him. I mean, he doesn't deserve

00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:39.929
one, but here we are. Here we are on a podcast.

00:34:40.309 --> 00:34:44.610
Yeah. I feel like Taylor doesn't have to get

00:34:44.610 --> 00:34:48.690
ready because she stays ready to fight. I wouldn't

00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:52.210
call Taylor a hothead because I really do feel

00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:56.320
like. she just gets really worked up. Like I

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.500
can almost commiserate with her where it's like

00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:02.000
someone says something and then you just can't

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.059
let it go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And you

00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:08.760
and I are both that way though. Yeah. Well, and,

00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:11.239
and I get where she's coming from because she

00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.599
goes on to say that she just wanted Dakota to

00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.590
be on her side. I. Could not be more on her side

00:35:18.590 --> 00:35:21.389
about that. I feel the same way. Yes. However

00:35:21.389 --> 00:35:24.909
you feel about the Taylor and Chase thing, Dakota

00:35:24.909 --> 00:35:27.869
has been allegedly trying to win her over this

00:35:27.869 --> 00:35:31.809
whole time and is talking to Chase and immediately

00:35:31.809 --> 00:35:34.250
takes Chase's side. Yes. Over Taylor. I agree.

00:35:34.789 --> 00:35:39.369
Come on. I just don't get it. I don't get it.

00:35:41.050 --> 00:35:43.630
Miranda goes up to Chase and this is where I

00:35:43.630 --> 00:35:45.610
really, really started to appreciate Miranda

00:35:45.610 --> 00:35:47.690
because she goes up and she goes, we're not doing

00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:51.670
this. Get out. Get out. And I was like, oh, I

00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:55.150
like her. OK. And then if you look at Chase's

00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:58.210
new girlfriend, she's she either just looks cold

00:35:58.210 --> 00:36:00.889
or uncomfortable. Like she's like doubled over

00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.510
in that little dress and she's just like cold.

00:36:05.419 --> 00:36:09.340
I felt bad for her again. I did. Cause it's like,

00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:11.800
what do you do? You're on TV. You don't even

00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.380
really like, this is your boyfriend, but like,

00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:21.099
it's hard, but she immediately storms out and

00:36:21.099 --> 00:36:22.679
she goes, I hate him. I hate him. I hate him.

00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:26.599
And I was like, I get it. Yeah. And I feel like

00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.000
Miranda knows his antics. And so she was like,

00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:31.260
no, you're not going to do this here. No. Yeah.

00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.539
But I, I bet she's been through it. A million

00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:38.119
times. Every single day, probably. And I'm so

00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:41.000
glad they got a divorce. She deserves so much

00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.320
better than that trash man. I agree. So then

00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:50.579
Chase goes after, what's her name? Kate. Yeah.

00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:52.579
The new girlfriend's Kate. Chase goes after Kate

00:36:52.579 --> 00:36:58.780
and Demi's poking the bear a little bit and Chase

00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:02.800
walks by Demi and I guess pokes her. I don't,

00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.050
I don't. Here's what happened. I remember it

00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:10.329
clear as day. Demi goes, where's your girlfriend,

00:37:10.469 --> 00:37:12.429
Chase? You need to go after your girlfriend.

00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:16.150
Yes. He comes up, kind of touches her waist and

00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:20.329
goes, oh, well, where's your husband? Type of

00:37:20.329 --> 00:37:25.119
thing. Okay. I don't... Okay. The way she blew

00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.920
it out of proportion was crazy. Well... Because

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.019
she goes upstairs, right? Yeah. And she goes,

00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.059
Brett, Chase touched me. No, that's not what

00:37:35.059 --> 00:37:38.559
Demi said. Demi runs upstairs and goes, Chase

00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.260
put his hands on me. Oh. She knew what she was

00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:45.980
doing. She knew exactly... However, yeah, I think

00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:48.579
it was... Yeah, you're right. Put his hands on

00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:54.469
me. She... Blew that so far out of proportion.

00:37:55.489 --> 00:38:01.349
It's on video. He didn't grab her ass. He didn't

00:38:01.349 --> 00:38:06.710
pull her hair. He simply touched her as he passed

00:38:06.710 --> 00:38:12.050
through a tight space. What? OK, I I think there's

00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:14.230
a place to be met in the middle here where I

00:38:14.230 --> 00:38:17.150
think he was doing it in an incredibly condescending

00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:22.099
way. I think he was like, where's your man? 100%.

00:38:22.099 --> 00:38:25.280
But I think him saying, where's your man and

00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.440
touching her to get by were two separate things.

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.579
I agree. I don't think he like grabbed her and

00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:35.000
caressed her and then said, where's your man?

00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.699
I think he was getting past and then responded

00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:43.039
to her snarky thing by saying his snarky thing.

00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:47.619
Yes. And I hate Chase, so I hate that it sounds

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:50.460
like I'm defending him, but God damn, Demi. I

00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.960
agree. So Demi runs upstairs. Chase put his hands

00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.079
on me. Chase put his hands on me. Brett does

00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.960
what Brett is supposed to do. Yeah, Brett's not

00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.980
in the wrong for that at all, to be so clear.

00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.760
Brett moves into action and says, I'm going to

00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.119
kill someone. I love a man who's a man. I do

00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.539
too, actually. And he runs outside in his little

00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:17.619
Chippendales outfit. And he's screaming at Chase.

00:39:18.099 --> 00:39:20.820
Chase didn't know what he was getting into. And

00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:24.019
he is scared for his life in this moment. You

00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:27.360
can see it happening. Yeah. I feel like he genuinely

00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.300
didn't know what the fuck Brett was on about,

00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.920
like for the first four or five seconds. And

00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.199
then he put it together and was like, oh, what

00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.739
the fuck? Yeah. You know, and I would be scared

00:39:38.739 --> 00:39:41.800
of Brett, too. Oh, 100%. Can we talk about how

00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.599
hot it is that he's out there in a little Speedo

00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.000
about to kill a man? They were in Speedos. They

00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.820
were in little pants. Oh. I thought they were

00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:54.579
in, like, little tiny... No. Oh. No. They were

00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:56.320
in pants. I thought it was hot that he was in

00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.659
his little Chippendales suit about to kill somebody.

00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:03.320
I thought that was so hot. Oh, 100%. But, like,

00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.940
also... That level of rage, I wasn't expecting.

00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:12.099
But what I also didn't expect was Jordan. When

00:40:12.099 --> 00:40:16.059
Chase goes up to start apologizing to Demi, Jordan

00:40:16.059 --> 00:40:19.179
comes up and goes, take ownership, take owner,

00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.360
like just screaming. And I was like, what are

00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.360
you doing? Who are you being right now? And I

00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.539
have a feeling this is the reason the cops get

00:40:26.539 --> 00:40:31.190
called. It's all the screaming. I'm sure they're

00:40:31.190 --> 00:40:33.489
in one of those richy, rich, rich neighborhoods.

00:40:33.730 --> 00:40:35.829
And someone was in their house and they were

00:40:35.829 --> 00:40:38.409
like, my property taxes are too high for this.

00:40:38.550 --> 00:40:45.670
And they called the police. Yes. So the cops

00:40:45.670 --> 00:40:48.849
show up. Jesse goes outside and literally says

00:40:48.849 --> 00:40:51.739
to the cop. Have you ever seen Secret Life? That

00:40:51.739 --> 00:40:56.780
is the moment I was dying for you to see. That's

00:40:56.780 --> 00:40:59.980
the funniest shit I've ever seen. Because she

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:02.739
says that would have been the easiest way to

00:41:02.739 --> 00:41:05.019
explain it to you. No, but like that's the thing

00:41:05.019 --> 00:41:07.280
is like if the cop would have been like, oh,

00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.079
got it. Yeah, it would have cleared everything

00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.960
up immediately. But the way she said it, like,

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.760
have you ever seen it? Like, obviously, that's

00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.650
what's happening. Like, Jesus Christ. That was

00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:23.349
the funniest thing she could have said. The funniest

00:41:23.349 --> 00:41:27.989
thing. And also, like, not to dick ride her,

00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:33.230
but I feel like it's a fair question because

00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:35.349
then you, because you also have to explain why

00:41:35.349 --> 00:41:38.090
there are so many cameras there and vans and.

00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:40.909
Oh, sure. You know, like, that's not a typical

00:41:40.909 --> 00:41:43.590
thing either. Like, you don't want them to think

00:41:43.590 --> 00:41:46.670
you're filming an orgy. You know what I mean?

00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:50.489
Well, that, but like, also. Behind the scenes

00:41:50.489 --> 00:41:54.389
of it, the cops show up. The Secret Lives of

00:41:54.389 --> 00:41:56.050
Mormon Lives and Real Housewives of Salt Lake

00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:58.829
City are the two shows that are, like, being

00:41:58.829 --> 00:42:03.730
filmed in Salt Lake City right now. And the cops

00:42:03.730 --> 00:42:07.789
have to know, like, some of this stuff is going

00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:11.369
to get played up. They also signed releases to

00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:14.929
be on the TV. Oh, yeah, because their faces weren't

00:42:14.929 --> 00:42:19.809
blurred. Yeah. So, like, let's. They knew before

00:42:19.809 --> 00:42:22.730
they got to her front door that this was for

00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:28.110
TV. I just think because they it's two men fighting

00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:30.929
each other. They have to be like, oh, sure. Please,

00:42:30.929 --> 00:42:35.210
nobody get injured. Please, nobody die. Please.

00:42:36.619 --> 00:42:40.420
Like, I get it. Yeah, I do, to some extent. And

00:42:40.420 --> 00:42:42.320
it's not like they came inside the house and

00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.500
were like, they left. So the cops leave. Chippendales

00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:49.219
part two happens and it's the most uncomfortable

00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:52.800
thing anyone has ever had to sit through. So

00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.300
awkward. Just Zach with full on venom in his

00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:59.960
eyes the whole time. And he was sad. Yeah, like

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.619
you could. He was sad and he was mad. Like there

00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:04.579
were two emotions happening there. And that was

00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:08.159
very clear. I had a problem. I had a very serious

00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.300
problem with Demi saying this is a chance for

00:43:10.300 --> 00:43:13.760
Zach to redeem himself. I know. I didn't like

00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.099
that at all. I know. And this is where I turn

00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:22.460
on Demi. Oh, I already told you she's the villain.

00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:25.260
Yeah. She's the villain this season for absolute

00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:30.110
sure. And it. Only gets worse. I would also like

00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:32.130
to talk about Demi and Brett's relationship at

00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:34.989
some point. I don't know if now's the time. OK.

00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.289
I haven't seen anything yet that would tell me

00:43:40.289 --> 00:43:43.010
something's wrong, but I have a feeling it's

00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:47.110
coming fast and quick. He knew her when she was

00:43:47.110 --> 00:43:51.989
10 years old and he was in his late 20s. Oh,

00:43:51.989 --> 00:43:59.739
so. Yeah. I don't know where to put that. Yeah.

00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.960
Makes me think that he's less hot. He's physically

00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.039
so hot. Would I ever want to get to know him?

00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:11.320
No. Was he involved with the church? Probably.

00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:16.679
I know he's a Mormon. Okay. So I'm going to tell

00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.079
you right now, you'd be shocked at how often

00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.420
that happens in the church. Oh, I. I've had my

00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:24.019
fair share of youth pastors flirt with me in

00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:26.659
my teenagerdom. No, but I'm saying, like, people

00:44:26.659 --> 00:44:30.059
that know children from a very, very, very young

00:44:30.059 --> 00:44:32.019
age and then they end up together, like, and

00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:35.440
the man's much older. Like, it's fairly common

00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.039
in the Nazarene church, too. It's so gross. It's

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.119
gross. So the Chippendales dance is happening.

00:44:42.449 --> 00:44:45.110
Jordan, bless his perfect little heart, seemed

00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:48.030
like he was actually like earnestly trying. Yeah,

00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:51.090
I thought he was so cute. Like his whole thing

00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:53.409
was so cute. And I and I think they all were

00:44:53.409 --> 00:44:59.650
very like still respectful. You know, like they

00:44:59.650 --> 00:45:02.090
weren't like real Chippendales where they were

00:45:02.090 --> 00:45:05.670
like grinding up on her and like making out with

00:45:05.670 --> 00:45:07.710
her like they didn't do that. The problem that

00:45:07.710 --> 00:45:11.570
I have. And this is how it should have been handled.

00:45:12.610 --> 00:45:21.730
Brett should have brought Demi up. The real Chippendales

00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:25.690
dancer should have brought Taylor up. Well, no,

00:45:25.769 --> 00:45:27.829
Layla's not. Taylor's the only single one. Taylor

00:45:27.829 --> 00:45:31.010
and Miranda. He brought one of them up. And then

00:45:31.010 --> 00:45:36.050
Jordan should have brought Jessie up. Dance with

00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:39.219
them. Why doesn't... I wish they would have asked

00:45:39.219 --> 00:45:41.739
Zach to be a part of it. I feel like that would

00:45:41.739 --> 00:45:45.679
have fixed the whole problem. If they would have

00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.139
said, let's exposure therapy Zach by putting

00:45:50.139 --> 00:45:53.980
him in it quite literally. Yes. Instead of let's

00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:56.980
do exposure therapy by making him watch. Like

00:45:56.980 --> 00:45:58.300
that's so much worse. I thought that was gross.

00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.820
I thought that was so gross. Yeah. Like put on

00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:04.550
a show for your wives. That's fine. I was on

00:46:04.550 --> 00:46:07.050
Zach's side about like about being upset about

00:46:07.050 --> 00:46:10.170
it. I like not about where it ends up, but I

00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:16.190
agree that this was mean. Yeah. And the part

00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:18.750
that really you're not there yet. I won't ruin

00:46:18.750 --> 00:46:23.889
it for you. But yeah, I don't know. Obviously,

00:46:23.889 --> 00:46:28.389
he overreacts and we'll get into that. But it

00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:31.960
was a weird thing for them to do. It was the

00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.940
whole thing was very weird. And I have I have

00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:40.000
a lot of thoughts because we get to how much

00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.840
did. Yeah, we get to that. We get to how much

00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.280
did Jen know? I'm going to have a lot of feelings

00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:51.849
about that. I know. Yeah. So. It's so tough,

00:46:51.869 --> 00:46:53.650
too, because it's like I feel like they were

00:46:53.650 --> 00:46:55.949
just trying to have fun and they flew in a Chippendales

00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:59.409
gun, whatever. It's like, why did you spend some

00:46:59.409 --> 00:47:01.769
real money here? Like, yeah. Do you think it

00:47:01.769 --> 00:47:06.150
was production's idea or theirs? I have a feeling.

00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:09.730
So what I know about Real Housewives and I keep

00:47:09.730 --> 00:47:11.050
going back to Real Housewives because that's

00:47:11.050 --> 00:47:12.550
my frame of reference. But what I know about

00:47:12.550 --> 00:47:15.289
Real Housewives is like they the Housewives all

00:47:15.289 --> 00:47:18.469
present ideas and production will let ideas through.

00:47:20.179 --> 00:47:22.500
Production, from what I understand, does not

00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:26.440
say do this so we can get this reaction. It's

00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.539
all it's all supposed to be natural. I'll bet

00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:34.039
you actual money that Jesse and Demi said, do

00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.340
you know what would be so funny? And the production

00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:39.280
was like, well, we'll pay to fly in a Chippendales

00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.320
answer. Let's do it. A hundred percent. A hundred

00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:48.929
percent. OK. Yeah. So we get to. We were done

00:47:48.929 --> 00:47:51.250
with that scene. Zach's furious. That's that's

00:47:51.250 --> 00:47:53.429
the long and short of it. We go to Halloween

00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:55.789
with Michaela. I don't know if I fuck with Michaela.

00:47:56.250 --> 00:47:59.929
I like her, but I don't know that I did at this

00:47:59.929 --> 00:48:02.570
point in the season. Does she does she start

00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:05.969
to grow on? Yeah, I think so. She's kind of like

00:48:05.969 --> 00:48:13.090
awkward. I agree. Yeah. Like she's not. I don't

00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:14.969
I don't want to sound mean. I don't want to sound

00:48:14.969 --> 00:48:17.489
mean. I was about to say she's not like built

00:48:17.489 --> 00:48:20.630
for reality TV. No. Because I feel like the type

00:48:20.630 --> 00:48:23.170
of person, I'm not either. The type of person

00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:27.210
who's built for reality TV is like instantly

00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:30.650
likable. You instantly connect with them and

00:48:30.650 --> 00:48:33.710
you get them. And that's just not really her.

00:48:33.849 --> 00:48:38.489
Like it takes some growing. Yes. So like, anyway.

00:48:39.010 --> 00:48:42.289
Her sisters show up at her house dressed as.

00:48:42.940 --> 00:48:47.300
Her and Whitney. So confusing. I thought that

00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:51.400
was so weird. That was. What I feel like is happening

00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.500
here is I think the sisters are trying to get

00:48:53.500 --> 00:48:55.800
on the show. Yeah, I think it was. They thought

00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.599
it would be funny on the show, but it just came

00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.940
off as like bizarre. Yeah, the whole thing was

00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:02.780
weird to me. Michaela opens up about her chronic

00:49:02.780 --> 00:49:10.059
health issue, i .e. eczema. Yeah. OK. And like

00:49:10.059 --> 00:49:13.659
to her defense, she like. Was in the hospital

00:49:13.659 --> 00:49:16.760
for a while because it got, like, so bad. And

00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.659
it was all over her body. And she really had

00:49:19.659 --> 00:49:22.320
trouble handling it. And I can't imagine being

00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.440
an influencer, like, needing to post all the

00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:31.019
time and being covered in red spots. That's fair.

00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:34.519
However. However. Yeah. The way she presented

00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:36.760
it. You're sitting across from someone that lives

00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.340
with psoriasis. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I know.

00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:48.530
Which is. almost bar for bar, exactly like eczema.

00:49:48.869 --> 00:49:57.630
Yeah. I will say, because all I can picture in

00:49:57.630 --> 00:50:00.329
my head right now are the videos of it literally

00:50:00.329 --> 00:50:03.829
all over her body. Yes. On her stomach, her face,

00:50:03.849 --> 00:50:06.289
her arms, her legs, everywhere. I've lived it.

00:50:06.309 --> 00:50:09.650
I get it. It's hard. I 100 % get it. And so...

00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.500
But the way she presented it in season one, I

00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:21.000
think is why I have a problem because it's so

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:27.139
dramatic. Yes. You're not like stuck in a bed.

00:50:27.219 --> 00:50:30.219
You don't have Crohn's disease. Right. Get off

00:50:30.219 --> 00:50:32.800
the cross. You can eat, you can drink, you can

00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.659
take care of your children, even when it's uncomfortable.

00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.639
Right. It's also... I get that you're itchy,

00:50:40.780 --> 00:50:45.739
girl, but, like, ugh. I don't know. Yeah, like,

00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:48.159
I do think she should have had some kind of,

00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:52.840
like, compassion for people with chronic illnesses

00:50:52.840 --> 00:51:00.219
that are not eczema. Because, like... And now

00:51:00.219 --> 00:51:02.659
she has it under control. Thank God. And what

00:51:02.659 --> 00:51:07.280
a day the Lord has made. She opens up about being

00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.219
sexually abused, which I feel like that was very

00:51:10.219 --> 00:51:14.440
brave of her. Yeah. And not expected. I did not

00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.300
expect that from her. I didn't expect the scene

00:51:16.300 --> 00:51:19.300
to go there at all. And I guess she originally

00:51:19.300 --> 00:51:22.280
told her mom I didn't believe her. And I feel

00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.460
like that's a story that happens way, way, way

00:51:24.460 --> 00:51:27.920
too often, which really fucking sucks. It really

00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.320
broke my heart to hear. Yeah. That is so hard,

00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.079
especially to know, like, the time frame that

00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:40.579
she said she was, like, 9, 10, 11, 12 -ish. And

00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:42.380
then she went on to have a baby when she was

00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:49.460
16. And I think that stems from that. Because,

00:51:49.539 --> 00:51:54.320
like, hypersexuality is, like, a huge thing for

00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.920
kids who were abused. I don't know. It's just

00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.039
really sad. It feels like all of her adolescence

00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.340
was kind of stolen from her. I agree. And that

00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:04.840
really fucking sucks. And I can separate that

00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:06.800
from, like, not knowing if I really like her

00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.360
right now. Oh, yeah. I think this was very, very

00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.599
brave of her. She is a victim in that circumstance.

00:52:13.099 --> 00:52:17.239
And that's so sad. And, yeah, brave to say that

00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.599
on reality TV when you know millions of people

00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.559
are watching. Mm -hmm. Good for you for standing

00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.320
on your shit. Good for you. Even when your mom

00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:31.360
wouldn't believe you. That's so sad. Jen and

00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:36.900
Zach go for a walk. The most staged walk I've

00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:40.019
ever seen in my whole life, by the way. That

00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:44.400
was hard. Like a script was written, truly. Well,

00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:46.900
I think Jen wrote a script and Zach said, I don't

00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:52.030
want to read this. 100%. She knew how she wanted

00:52:52.030 --> 00:52:56.730
that talk to go. And Zach said, uh -uh. Thank

00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:00.409
you. Okay. So they unpack the Chippendales dance.

00:53:00.710 --> 00:53:06.210
Jen starts by saying, I didn't know what was

00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:09.570
going to happen. And then she says, well, the

00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:11.590
girls were making jokes about it. I didn't think

00:53:11.590 --> 00:53:13.269
anything was going to happen. Wait a minute.

00:53:13.769 --> 00:53:16.750
Wait a minute. No. Did you know or were the girls

00:53:16.750 --> 00:53:19.170
joking about it? Did you have reason to believe

00:53:19.170 --> 00:53:21.929
that something could happen, Jen? Are you lying,

00:53:22.269 --> 00:53:26.909
Jen? And then it tears away to the footage of

00:53:26.909 --> 00:53:30.130
her getting her hair done and Jesse and Demi

00:53:30.130 --> 00:53:35.610
saying, hey, we want to run this by you. We're

00:53:35.610 --> 00:53:38.909
going to do like a quasi Chippendales dance.

00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:43.559
Well, hang on. To be fair. Jesse said to Demi,

00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.980
I think I'm going to have the guys dress up as

00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.000
Chippendales dancers and have them do a tearaway.

00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.079
And it's going to be a Chippendales costume.

00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.480
They're going to show up in regular costumes.

00:53:53.619 --> 00:53:56.780
It's going to be so funny. That's what we saw

00:53:56.780 --> 00:53:59.760
in the flashback. OK, I feel like there's more

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.300
to that because I distinctly remember maybe they

00:54:02.300 --> 00:54:06.400
haven't shown it yet, but they like ask her bar

00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.559
for bar. Do you think you guys would be OK with

00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.489
that? You guys being. I have a feeling that's

00:54:12.489 --> 00:54:17.869
coming later. Yeah, like they're not like she

00:54:17.869 --> 00:54:22.510
says, yes, there's not like any. Well, so I think

00:54:22.510 --> 00:54:28.309
what we're coming to is realizing that. Jen has

00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:31.130
a hard time telling the truth to multiple people.

00:54:31.389 --> 00:54:34.070
Yes, she does. And I think this is where it's

00:54:34.070 --> 00:54:35.469
going to come out, because I haven't seen the

00:54:35.469 --> 00:54:37.909
part where that comes out yet. I've only seen

00:54:37.909 --> 00:54:40.269
the part where. Demi's in the chair getting her

00:54:40.269 --> 00:54:43.949
hair done and I'm sorry, Jen's in the chair getting

00:54:43.949 --> 00:54:46.349
her hair done. And Jesse says, hey, what if we

00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:50.269
did this? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're maybe

00:54:50.269 --> 00:54:53.250
I'm misremembering or they show more later on.

00:54:53.429 --> 00:54:57.150
But there was no like question about it. Jen

00:54:57.150 --> 00:55:01.690
said she was cool with it, period. And she defends,

00:55:01.690 --> 00:55:06.239
defends, defends. the whole way through yes but

00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.800
it's like girl okay i get being a people pleaser

00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.300
jen i do but it's not being a people pleaser

00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:16.539
though this is not what that is lying is not

00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:19.780
making anyone happy right like you're not pleasing

00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:24.559
anyone by lying yeah and and i feel like she

00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:29.429
thinks that The absence of truth is not a lie.

00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:31.969
Like if she just doesn't say anything to Zach,

00:55:32.050 --> 00:55:38.510
then it's not a lie. But it is, you know. But

00:55:38.510 --> 00:55:43.389
it's not the absence of truth. It's just telling

00:55:43.389 --> 00:55:48.820
an abject lie. Yeah. Well, I mean, like she should

00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:51.260
have told Zach before because she knew before.

00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:54.340
I agree. And that's the first time to me where

00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:57.280
she's lying. Right. Because because she thinks

00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.920
just not telling him is the way to go. And I

00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.639
just completely disagree, especially when that's

00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:09.199
your husband. And then to go on and talk to your

00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:15.139
husband and say. Well, you're just putting me

00:56:15.139 --> 00:56:19.880
in a situation where I have to pick between my

00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.900
job and my husband, essentially. Well, she's

00:56:23.900 --> 00:56:28.460
saying that she feels like she has to pick between

00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:32.820
mom talk and her marriage. And I feel like what's

00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:35.019
not being said here is I feel like Zach probably

00:56:35.019 --> 00:56:37.599
said behind the scenes, it's me or the show.

00:56:38.539 --> 00:56:43.630
Because I feel like, well, I feel like. I feel

00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:47.010
like he blames the show for humiliating him in

00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:51.730
his marriage. I feel like he... I just feel like

00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:53.150
that's what was said. That's just where we're

00:56:53.150 --> 00:56:56.650
at. They're not saying that on camera. I didn't

00:56:56.650 --> 00:56:59.289
take it like that. I thought that it was more

00:56:59.289 --> 00:57:04.050
she was saying, this group of women that I do

00:57:04.050 --> 00:57:07.889
this with... Wants to do this, that and the other.

00:57:08.269 --> 00:57:11.590
And my husband isn't OK with me doing any of

00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:15.429
that stuff. So now I have to choose between being

00:57:15.429 --> 00:57:18.309
friends with them and making these stupid videos

00:57:18.309 --> 00:57:21.889
and whatever. Sure. Or being married to you.

00:57:23.130 --> 00:57:26.289
Yeah, I agree. That's kind of how I took it.

00:57:26.329 --> 00:57:28.650
I don't know. That's fair. And I can see being

00:57:28.650 --> 00:57:30.650
in that position where it's like you have one

00:57:30.650 --> 00:57:33.960
group of people saying, let's go out. Let's do

00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.699
Chippendales. Let's drink. And then on the other

00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:40.440
side, you have your husband being like, you need

00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:45.440
to be a submissive woman. Right. Right. I agree.

00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:51.139
It's hard. I don't think they should have come

00:57:51.139 --> 00:57:53.460
on the show. I think if they were already having

00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:55.019
issues in their marriage, they should not have

00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:57.369
come on the show. I don't. And I'll say that

00:57:57.369 --> 00:58:00.389
for all of reality TV. Oh, yeah. All of these

00:58:00.389 --> 00:58:02.909
marriages that are on the rocks need to stay

00:58:02.909 --> 00:58:06.449
off of reality TV, especially if you're not okay

00:58:06.449 --> 00:58:12.329
with airing all your shit. Whitney has her baby.

00:58:13.469 --> 00:58:17.829
Yay. This is a lavender marriage, right? Oh,

00:58:17.849 --> 00:58:21.389
well, I sent you that video of Zach pinning Whitney's

00:58:21.389 --> 00:58:23.769
husband up against the wall, right? Oh, yeah.

00:58:23.969 --> 00:58:30.619
Yeah. That's hard. This is hard. It's hard to

00:58:30.619 --> 00:58:35.239
watch. And when she had her baby, is it sick

00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.260
that all I could think of is that one time when

00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:40.059
she made a tick tock by her sick baby in the

00:58:40.059 --> 00:58:42.159
hospital? Do you remember that? Yes. She got

00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:49.840
canceled for that. Yes. That's. Yeah. OK. Yeah.

00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.719
Not much to say on that. Congratulations. You

00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:56.090
had a baby. Love that. Everyone goes to a farm

00:58:56.090 --> 00:58:59.210
situation with their kids. Jen doesn't go because

00:58:59.210 --> 00:59:06.230
she's depressed. That Ferris wheel. Being so

00:59:06.230 --> 00:59:08.550
comfortable in that Ferris wheel was wild to

00:59:08.550 --> 00:59:12.190
me because you. I'd rather go on wagon wheel.

00:59:12.250 --> 00:59:20.519
Watch you see. I don't know. I'm not a big. Ferris

00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.800
wheel girl. That's the thing. I'll go to like

00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:25.500
Kings Island, Six Flags, Cedar Point and like

00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:27.820
those roller coasters and be fine. Yeah. But

00:59:27.820 --> 00:59:30.619
fair rides freak me out. Yeah, because they're

00:59:30.619 --> 00:59:33.079
just like set up and like. Yeah, they're rickety.

00:59:33.260 --> 00:59:37.300
Yeah. Like, do I really trust that you guys tighten

00:59:37.300 --> 00:59:42.599
the bolts all the way this time? No. The girls

00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.059
all kind of agree that Jen is a little bit rotten

00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:51.369
and. See, we're getting very close to a point

00:59:51.369 --> 00:59:54.670
where I have to tell you that I feel for Jen.

00:59:55.610 --> 00:59:59.750
Okay. Because she, I don't want to tell you until

00:59:59.750 --> 01:00:06.190
after Whitney goes to her house. Okay. We're

01:00:06.190 --> 01:00:08.409
not there yet. We'll get into that later. But

01:00:08.409 --> 01:00:10.630
yeah, they go to the farm. They're on the Ferris

01:00:10.630 --> 01:00:14.760
wheel. They all hate Jen. Some of the girls go

01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.599
through a corn maze while Taylor and Miranda

01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.579
go to chat. And then Taylor wants to be completely

01:00:19.579 --> 01:00:24.800
honest about the situation and. Or about the

01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:28.300
swinging situation, and I feel like Miranda and

01:00:28.300 --> 01:00:30.360
Taylor should have gotten together ahead of the

01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.360
situation and chatted and said, this is what

01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.500
I'm going to say on camera and they should have

01:00:36.500 --> 01:00:38.739
compromised. That's what I feel like should have

01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:42.800
happened. I feel like Taylor and I kind of love

01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.420
her for this wouldn't have ever let that happen

01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:49.000
like she's the one that I feel like no I'm gonna

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.159
say what I want to say and I'm gonna say it on

01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:56.010
TV You know, I see that from her more than Miranda.

01:00:56.369 --> 01:00:59.489
And I also feel like Miranda is so scared of

01:00:59.489 --> 01:01:01.750
telling the truth. But like, if you were going

01:01:01.750 --> 01:01:04.730
to come on to the show and be, quote unquote,

01:01:04.869 --> 01:01:08.030
part of mom talk, you're going to have to just

01:01:08.030 --> 01:01:11.010
own it at some point, girl. Well, so this is

01:01:11.010 --> 01:01:14.300
what it comes down to. Taylor said Taylor. They

01:01:14.300 --> 01:01:17.360
cut to a confessional and Taylor says, this is

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:18.900
what we did. I'll start listing everything off.

01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:21.519
They had sex with their respective husbands in

01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.840
the shower and in the same bed together at the

01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.360
same time. They blindfolded each other and guessed

01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:32.920
whose husband they were kissing. Then they basically

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:37.659
filmed a girls gone wild scene. Yeah, like nothing

01:01:37.659 --> 01:01:41.659
crazy. I also don't know if she's telling the

01:01:41.659 --> 01:01:46.010
real juice of it. In that confessional either,

01:01:46.150 --> 01:01:47.989
because she didn't say it in the original TikTok.

01:01:48.369 --> 01:01:51.769
She's not saying it in any conversations. I don't

01:01:51.769 --> 01:01:53.250
think she would go on to say it there either.

01:01:53.570 --> 01:01:56.449
I think we're getting the tamest version regardless.

01:01:57.329 --> 01:02:00.769
I'm I'm OK with this version. Honestly, like

01:02:00.769 --> 01:02:03.769
if this is what this is, this is their business

01:02:03.769 --> 01:02:06.150
that they can share. They cannot share. I feel

01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:10.030
like they just need to be on the same page. But

01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:11.670
what they're sharing, I think, is the long and

01:02:11.670 --> 01:02:16.440
short of it. For sure. And what it comes down

01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.099
to is Miranda was embarrassed. And that's fair

01:02:19.099 --> 01:02:23.579
because the Mormon. Especially coming from the

01:02:23.579 --> 01:02:27.199
church. Yes. Yeah. The church makes it hard to

01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.079
be completely honest about this stuff because

01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:30.960
there's so much stigma put around this stuff.

01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:34.000
If you want to swing, swing. If you want to have

01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.840
a hundred different partners, I don't care. Right,

01:02:37.940 --> 01:02:40.579
but John Smith does. But John Smith cares. Joseph

01:02:40.579 --> 01:02:44.639
Smith. Joseph Smith. Yeah. You're going to outer

01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:48.280
darkness. I'm not. I'm not my man. I don't know

01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.760
his name. Jay Smith. The way they leave it. I

01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.679
feel like Miranda actually wants to fix things

01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.460
and Taylor actually wants to fix things. And

01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:58.719
I and what I appreciate is I feel like there's

01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.199
a genuine friendship there and they they want

01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:06.159
to get back to that. Yeah, I agree, and I think

01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.099
Chase being out of the picture really helps with

01:03:09.099 --> 01:03:13.579
that for them. Like, Miranda getting that divorce

01:03:13.579 --> 01:03:17.320
is definitely key in them ever being friends

01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:23.380
again. I did think they were both, like, pretty

01:03:23.380 --> 01:03:26.760
mature about the conversation. Like, Taylor wasn't

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.199
dragging out everything she could for Miranda.

01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.690
I agree. She was respectful of the boundary.

01:03:33.730 --> 01:03:37.809
And Miranda didn't like fly off the handle about

01:03:37.809 --> 01:03:41.010
her reputation or anything like that. I felt

01:03:41.010 --> 01:03:43.030
like they were both kind of like cool headed.

01:03:43.449 --> 01:03:45.269
Well, I like where they ended that conversation.

01:03:45.349 --> 01:03:48.170
I actually, I felt really good about that. Yeah.

01:03:49.230 --> 01:03:51.710
Michaela goes to see a sexual trauma specialist

01:03:51.710 --> 01:03:56.849
and I, a couple of things. One, I didn't know

01:03:56.849 --> 01:04:01.570
that this was like its own specialty. Bless you.

01:04:01.690 --> 01:04:04.150
Excuse me. I didn't know that this was its own

01:04:04.150 --> 01:04:08.429
specialty. And I also feel like this lady is

01:04:08.429 --> 01:04:11.369
really, really good at her job. I felt the same

01:04:11.369 --> 01:04:15.090
way. She made me feel safe through the TV. Yeah.

01:04:15.289 --> 01:04:18.489
Like she definitely did a good job of like making

01:04:18.489 --> 01:04:21.230
it known that Michaela was in a safe space and

01:04:21.230 --> 01:04:23.769
she could share her truth and she would be heard.

01:04:23.869 --> 01:04:27.489
Well, she was also like, call it out. Say how

01:04:27.489 --> 01:04:31.030
you feel. Yeah. Put a name to it. Yes. You know,

01:04:31.050 --> 01:04:34.269
and that I think is really powerful, especially

01:04:34.269 --> 01:04:37.309
even outside of the church. I feel like women

01:04:37.309 --> 01:04:39.590
are always told to kind of like push it down,

01:04:39.630 --> 01:04:42.809
push it down. What you feel is dramatic. What

01:04:42.809 --> 01:04:46.690
you feel is not real. It's all in your head.

01:04:46.789 --> 01:04:50.230
So I think that was really, really good to have

01:04:50.230 --> 01:04:53.150
on TV, especially with like teenagers watching

01:04:53.150 --> 01:04:56.400
because I'm sure teenagers love this show. I

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.440
also having it on TV, period. But like, I feel

01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:06.199
like filming it is incredibly brave because you're

01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.800
you have to reckon with a lot of this. Number

01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:14.579
one. Number two, you have to know this person

01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:19.139
may or may not see it. And their family and the

01:05:19.139 --> 01:05:22.539
people who defend your abuser. Yes. And you have

01:05:22.539 --> 01:05:25.260
to stand in the face of all of them and be like,

01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:29.559
no, this happened to me and I was hurt by it.

01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:34.099
Right. And still am. Right. And it's like, I

01:05:34.099 --> 01:05:38.519
will give that to her. So what she is doing had

01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:40.460
to be a very scary thing to do. I'm very proud

01:05:40.460 --> 01:05:43.860
of her for doing that. Yeah. Yeah, let that man

01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:45.860
try to touch her. I'll be in Utah in two seconds.

01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:50.400
Let's go to Utah. Whitney is at the house with

01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.860
her baby. Taylor and Macy show up to visit. Yeah,

01:05:54.940 --> 01:05:58.599
it's very like mom's stuck at home because the

01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:02.159
baby's brand new and she wants all the tea. Is

01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:04.420
there talking about the the chaos from the Halloween

01:06:04.420 --> 01:06:07.500
party? And this is where Whitney realizes I missed

01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:10.360
this life. Yeah, I feel like that was kind of

01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:14.150
when she decided like. I need to be in Mom Talk.

01:06:14.710 --> 01:06:20.590
And part of me is okay with that. Listen, if

01:06:20.590 --> 01:06:25.409
you want to make your money on TikTok with five

01:06:25.409 --> 01:06:28.289
other women and have fun, I think you should

01:06:28.289 --> 01:06:30.269
do that. Yeah. Especially with the amount of

01:06:30.269 --> 01:06:34.949
money they're pulling in. Well, that, but also...

01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:37.900
she was part of the original mom talk and like

01:06:37.900 --> 01:06:41.880
if you like there's yeah like it's fine like

01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.340
i i don't i don't know if i like her but like

01:06:45.340 --> 01:06:48.079
i remember last week i said i don't like her

01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:49.699
i don't know if that's gonna change i don't know

01:06:49.699 --> 01:06:56.199
if i like her i'm warming up to her i've finished

01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:00.480
the season and i still like i don't love her

01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:05.690
i just feel kind of like She might be middle

01:07:05.690 --> 01:07:07.929
of the pack for me. I don't love her. There is

01:07:07.929 --> 01:07:11.289
one moment, and I already talked about it kind

01:07:11.289 --> 01:07:15.769
of, where I really do respect her and, like,

01:07:15.789 --> 01:07:19.809
see her as a good friend. But otherwise, like,

01:07:19.889 --> 01:07:22.670
she's just kind of neither here nor there for

01:07:22.670 --> 01:07:27.030
me. We'll get there. Jen and Zach are in a very,

01:07:27.050 --> 01:07:31.070
very dark place, and Jen's pregnant. Yeah. It's

01:07:31.070 --> 01:07:35.550
rough. It's really rough. Janet's having a crisis

01:07:35.550 --> 01:07:37.309
of conscience, I feel like, because she starts

01:07:37.309 --> 01:07:39.150
talking about, I'm not the person I want to be

01:07:39.150 --> 01:07:42.530
when I'm bringing a baby into this world. 100%.

01:07:42.530 --> 01:07:45.489
And I think she's self -aware that she's dealing

01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:47.869
with drama that's not age -appropriate for her.

01:07:48.429 --> 01:07:51.389
Because we're talking about lying and hiding

01:07:51.389 --> 01:07:54.550
things from your man, who's your husband and

01:07:54.550 --> 01:07:57.210
father of your children, not just your little

01:07:57.210 --> 01:08:01.320
boyfriend. I agree. And I think she's... And

01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.900
I respect that about her. I think she's self

01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:07.739
-aware that she's lying to her friends and hiding

01:08:07.739 --> 01:08:13.579
things and isn't where she wants to be. And that's

01:08:13.579 --> 01:08:15.920
good. I don't think you can ever improve if you

01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.100
never realize that you're not where you want

01:08:18.100 --> 01:08:22.239
to be. You have to realize that there's room

01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.359
for improvement to ever improve. Where I want

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.279
her to be is not on this show. Really? As of

01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.979
now, yes. I don't know how I feel. I don't...

01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:37.220
I do think she, ideally, like, for everyone in

01:08:37.220 --> 01:08:41.319
her life to be happy, I do think she has to step

01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:43.699
away from all these women because she needs to

01:08:43.699 --> 01:08:47.539
live a more, I hate to say it, Mormon life than

01:08:47.539 --> 01:08:50.340
the rest of them because I think to appease Zach

01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:55.399
and to bring their kids through life the way...

01:08:55.949 --> 01:08:58.649
her husband wants her to and all of that, if

01:08:58.649 --> 01:09:03.210
she really, like, is committed to that, I think

01:09:03.210 --> 01:09:05.449
she has to step away from all of this. However,

01:09:05.710 --> 01:09:10.189
I will say I knew Jen before I knew Taylor because

01:09:10.189 --> 01:09:13.449
of her dancing on the counter for her baby videos.

01:09:13.970 --> 01:09:16.710
I saw those on TikTok, like, years and years

01:09:16.710 --> 01:09:21.609
ago. And, like... She never gave that to me.

01:09:21.930 --> 01:09:25.210
So unfortunately, I think a big part of it is

01:09:25.210 --> 01:09:28.170
that I think a lot of her problems stem from

01:09:28.170 --> 01:09:30.449
her and Zach not being a good match in the sense

01:09:30.449 --> 01:09:33.529
that she wouldn't have had to lie about the Chippendales

01:09:33.529 --> 01:09:36.449
thing. She never would have had the crash out

01:09:36.449 --> 01:09:39.750
in Vegas. She never would have had all of these

01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:45.510
issues if it weren't for the ideals of her husband.

01:09:45.770 --> 01:09:49.060
I agree. I just don't think they're a good match.

01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.279
I feel like either she needs to get a divorce,

01:09:51.500 --> 01:09:54.180
which I don't see happening. Nope. Or she needs

01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:56.560
to step away from these girls because these girls

01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.680
and her husband have very different ideas of

01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:03.380
how she should be living her life. I agree. And

01:10:03.380 --> 01:10:05.560
it's sad. It is. So that's the end of episode

01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:10.159
three. Episode four, the book of taboos. I had

01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:11.979
a lot of ups and downs in this episode. I'm going

01:10:11.979 --> 01:10:14.579
to be very real with you. You didn't know Layla

01:10:14.579 --> 01:10:18.300
had ever had an orgasm? No. they talk about it

01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:21.119
in the first season, but it's like very, I don't

01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:22.800
remember the first season. I'm going to be honest.

01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.479
Like that was a fever dream. I don't remember

01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:29.060
what Whitney did. I want, I want us to go back.

01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.760
Like after we finish the season two, I want us

01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:33.600
to go back and like rewatch season one. Because

01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:37.880
I. I don't remember any. I know this is embarrassing.

01:10:37.979 --> 01:10:40.319
I know that Whitney did a whole bunch of shit,

01:10:40.340 --> 01:10:42.579
but I don't actually remember what she did. I

01:10:42.579 --> 01:10:45.319
feel like I know I didn't like Whitney. And that's

01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.520
why I opened season two with being like demon

01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.319
monster. Whitney is bad. Yeah. But like, I don't

01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:52.340
remember any. But I did remember that Layla had

01:10:52.340 --> 01:10:54.680
never had an orgasm because like, look at her.

01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.819
Why does no man do it for her? I do think it's

01:10:58.819 --> 01:11:02.159
she's talked about it a little bit. I don't think

01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:05.449
it's. All just the men she's hooked up with.

01:11:05.510 --> 01:11:07.770
She said that she has like a lot of internalized

01:11:07.770 --> 01:11:12.090
guilt around sex in general. We get to that.

01:11:12.310 --> 01:11:18.850
Yeah. So it's like I kind of get that. Taylor,

01:11:19.149 --> 01:11:22.859
Michaela and Macy go to brunch. We find out I

01:11:22.859 --> 01:11:25.279
don't know if we find this out or this is something

01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:27.659
we already knew. I this is the first time I remember

01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:31.180
hearing it. Dakota's newly sober. So Taylor felt

01:11:31.180 --> 01:11:32.800
like she had to check on him after the whole

01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:34.539
thing was said and done at the Halloween party.

01:11:34.659 --> 01:11:38.800
Yeah. I feel like Taylor is working on herself

01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.000
and I feel like she's becoming more self -aware,

01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.779
which I really like about Taylor because I don't

01:11:43.779 --> 01:11:46.399
I think she's very different from she. Who I

01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:48.939
remember her being in the first season. A hundred

01:11:48.939 --> 01:11:52.460
percent. I think that she's a more mature version

01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:56.439
of herself this season than she was before. She's

01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.119
not making so many excuses for herself. She's

01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:03.079
standing on what needs to be stood on and admitting

01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:07.279
when she's wrong more, which I really appreciated.

01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.479
I liked to see that she was going to couples

01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:15.420
therapy with Dakota to try to. make amends with

01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:18.279
him i thought that was very mature of her i think

01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:20.859
that's mature but i have a problem with her psychiatrist

01:12:20.859 --> 01:12:23.600
being the couple's therapist because i think

01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.020
that's a conflict of interest number one i i

01:12:27.020 --> 01:12:30.100
think if anything i hate to defend a man but

01:12:30.100 --> 01:12:33.659
i think it's unfair to dakota because you have

01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:36.920
a psychiatrist who is like your individual psychiatrist

01:12:38.010 --> 01:12:41.289
is kind of like a team player for you. They want

01:12:41.289 --> 01:12:44.210
to see you do better. They want to see you improve.

01:12:44.529 --> 01:12:47.310
And they're, like, biased towards your mental

01:12:47.310 --> 01:12:50.970
health. And so, like, it's just not really fair

01:12:50.970 --> 01:12:53.470
because I feel like how can Dakota's side be

01:12:53.470 --> 01:12:58.229
heard? I agree. I don't know. Yeah, that is weird.

01:12:58.529 --> 01:13:02.789
Macy brings up that she got a sinner Sunday confession

01:13:02.789 --> 01:13:04.590
that someone hooked up with Brett while Demi

01:13:04.590 --> 01:13:07.289
was on a trip. I don't know if I believe it,

01:13:07.310 --> 01:13:10.369
but I don't know if I don't believe it. Yeah.

01:13:10.770 --> 01:13:15.550
Like, I mean, obviously, I see kind of how it

01:13:15.550 --> 01:13:18.109
shakes out in the end, but you never know the

01:13:18.109 --> 01:13:21.250
real truth, obviously, because it was an anonymous

01:13:21.250 --> 01:13:27.949
thing. But I just feel because, like, the only

01:13:27.949 --> 01:13:30.890
time Demi was away was for Vanderpump Villa.

01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.180
And so that's when they were saying this must

01:13:34.180 --> 01:13:39.300
have happened and la la da. I don't know. Well,

01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:41.640
we'll see how this goes, because this comes up

01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.579
towards the end of this episode, which I feel

01:13:44.579 --> 01:13:46.199
like is a cliffhanger into the next episode.

01:13:46.220 --> 01:13:49.260
Yeah. It doesn't really come to a head until

01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:52.819
the last five minutes of episode 10. Can't wait.

01:13:53.020 --> 01:13:57.159
It did not shake out how I thought it would.

01:13:57.260 --> 01:14:02.359
Ladies and gentlemen, did not. Jen goes to Miranda's

01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.180
house because I feel like Miranda is the only

01:14:05.180 --> 01:14:09.500
one talking to her at this point. Yeah, I like

01:14:09.500 --> 01:14:13.399
the idea of Jen and Miranda being friends because

01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:17.500
I. Do you? In the sense of like what I said before,

01:14:17.659 --> 01:14:19.880
where I think Jen and Zach are not a good match.

01:14:19.939 --> 01:14:22.899
I think Miranda could be a great example of like

01:14:22.899 --> 01:14:27.659
how she could be happy and not married, maybe.

01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:32.539
Sure. And let me just. I understand that Jen

01:14:32.539 --> 01:14:34.720
and Zach love each other. I'm not saying that

01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:38.100
they don't. What I'm saying is she's an emotional

01:14:38.100 --> 01:14:40.579
wreck, and I think part of it is that she and

01:14:40.579 --> 01:14:42.479
her husband don't get along. That's all I'm saying.

01:14:43.380 --> 01:14:47.000
So this brings me to the only thing I wrote down

01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.159
about this scene. Jen is miserable in her marriage,

01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:52.100
and she causes spiritual warfare. Yeah. Lord

01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:55.880
have mercy. Which is so dramatic. Like, you're

01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:00.529
miserable in your marriage. That's okay. Because

01:15:00.529 --> 01:15:03.210
she brings it back to like, I feel like I'm not

01:15:03.210 --> 01:15:05.909
close to God anymore. And like, I get like someone

01:15:05.909 --> 01:15:08.350
who came from the church. I get that that's hard.

01:15:08.670 --> 01:15:12.409
Those two things aren't related, babe. No. And

01:15:12.409 --> 01:15:16.270
I think it really comes back to they just aren't

01:15:16.270 --> 01:15:20.699
talking about their actual big issues. Yes. They're

01:15:20.699 --> 01:15:22.880
not compatible. She and Zach. That's what I'm

01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.060
saying. Like, she could be so happy on her own.

01:15:26.100 --> 01:15:29.880
And I think Zach could be happy on his own. And

01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:33.239
I think they would be wonderful at co -parenting.

01:15:33.380 --> 01:15:35.779
I think that they could definitely figure that

01:15:35.779 --> 01:15:38.500
out. I don't think either of them wants that.

01:15:38.619 --> 01:15:41.420
I think they want to somehow make it work. It's

01:15:41.420 --> 01:15:46.500
just not working. I agree. The boys go golfing.

01:15:47.590 --> 01:15:52.310
Yeah. What did you think about this scene? Zach

01:15:52.310 --> 01:15:57.289
is like trying to be big and strong. I don't

01:15:57.289 --> 01:15:59.630
I didn't even take it like that. Zach wants to

01:15:59.630 --> 01:16:01.170
confront the guys about the whole Chippendales

01:16:01.170 --> 01:16:05.229
thing. And I thought his approach was very, very,

01:16:05.289 --> 01:16:10.189
very healthy and very good until he said, yeah,

01:16:10.329 --> 01:16:14.250
you touched my wife without consent. That's what

01:16:14.250 --> 01:16:19.659
really got me. When he treated it like sexual

01:16:19.659 --> 01:16:24.319
assault, he lost me. I was like, you are not

01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:28.500
this big macho man who's convincing Brett that

01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:30.800
he committed a crime. Well, I don't even think

01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.439
he was trying to do that. Like, because he said,

01:16:32.460 --> 01:16:34.500
well, if I want to be, he said, if I wanted to

01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:38.180
be petty, I could say this. Well, you just said

01:16:38.180 --> 01:16:41.079
it on camera. Yeah, babe. You just said it, number

01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:45.170
one. And, but what I will give. brett and jordan

01:16:45.170 --> 01:16:48.029
is that i think they navigated that landmine

01:16:48.029 --> 01:16:52.569
pretty well i think so too i think they all kind

01:16:52.569 --> 01:16:55.630
of kept a cool head i mean even zach to a point

01:16:55.630 --> 01:16:59.390
kind of like kept his cool no one was like screaming

01:16:59.390 --> 01:17:02.930
or anything well because i think this you in

01:17:02.930 --> 01:17:05.149
this situation you have three rational people

01:17:05.149 --> 01:17:08.210
talking to each other i think i wouldn't call

01:17:08.210 --> 01:17:12.199
zach rational i i think what the guys he is I

01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.039
think his opinion on the Chippendales thing in

01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:18.500
general is not rational. OK, that's fair. You

01:17:18.500 --> 01:17:21.539
know, I think he was hand handling this moment

01:17:21.539 --> 01:17:24.739
rationally, maybe. Yeah, I think I think if that's

01:17:24.739 --> 01:17:27.380
going to be your opinion, that your girl isn't

01:17:27.380 --> 01:17:31.939
allowed to see men dance, then you handled it

01:17:31.939 --> 01:17:35.439
well. Sure. But it's just I can't believe that's

01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.939
the hill you're willing to die on. But. Here

01:17:38.939 --> 01:17:41.500
again, we find ourselves in a situation where

01:17:41.500 --> 01:17:43.579
Jen has told Zach a completely different story

01:17:43.579 --> 01:17:47.159
than everyone else knows. And the guys are all

01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:49.220
calling it out. And what I really appreciated

01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:54.600
about Brett was the way he said, you need to

01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:56.739
at least be open to this being a possibility.

01:17:57.460 --> 01:18:00.880
And Zach is still like, well, if I find this

01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:02.619
out, it's really going to suck. Baby found it

01:18:02.619 --> 01:18:05.119
out before this. This is not the first time you're

01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:08.189
hearing. My wife is a liar, basically. Right.

01:18:08.850 --> 01:18:13.310
I will say. So before he talked to Demi and Jesse,

01:18:13.550 --> 01:18:17.750
who are the wives of Brett and Jordan? So it's

01:18:17.750 --> 01:18:21.819
like. from his perspective, is this just a united

01:18:21.819 --> 01:18:26.520
front against Jen or is this true? You know what

01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:28.579
I mean? I can see that. Cause they're not like

01:18:28.579 --> 01:18:31.560
separate from their wives in my mind. You know

01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.300
what I mean? Um, but I don't know. I don't know.

01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:36.300
Now he's hearing it from both sides. And so I

01:18:36.300 --> 01:18:38.560
feel like that's when he starts to be like, okay,

01:18:38.659 --> 01:18:44.199
Jen definitely knew, which she did. We, we go

01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:47.979
to a scene of Taylor just driving in her car.

01:18:48.699 --> 01:18:51.039
But let me tell you something. Taylor is wearing

01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:55.539
this Goyard bag out. She is. She loves that tote.

01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.159
She loves that Goyard tote. And she's either

01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.319
sponsored by Goyard or, like, she got it as a

01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.420
gift from someone she really, really loves. Like,

01:19:02.420 --> 01:19:04.340
one of those two things is happening. If I had

01:19:04.340 --> 01:19:07.140
a giant Goyard bag and a little baby, that would

01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:13.039
be my diaper bag, too. I respect it, girl. They

01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.920
have some flashbacks to therapy where Dakota's

01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:19.890
wearing a hat again. Thank God. Thank God. That

01:19:19.890 --> 01:19:23.250
hairline needs help. But it's not the hairline.

01:19:23.270 --> 01:19:25.430
It's the way the, it's like he's pulling his

01:19:25.430 --> 01:19:28.989
hair back and it's. Well, it's because he does

01:19:28.989 --> 01:19:31.210
have a bad hairline. Like it goes back on both

01:19:31.210 --> 01:19:34.470
sides really far. And then to make matters worse

01:19:34.470 --> 01:19:37.729
in the middle where it has stayed, where it's

01:19:37.729 --> 01:19:42.590
supposed to be is thinning so bad. Okay. So it's

01:19:42.590 --> 01:19:45.649
like you have these little cul -de -sacs. The

01:19:45.649 --> 01:19:48.239
things that I have. And then the thinning. Yeah,

01:19:48.260 --> 01:19:50.479
I guess. But yours doesn't look as bad because

01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:55.060
it's like if your hair was thinning in the middle.

01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:57.140
That's what Dakota's hair is like. I'll kill

01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:58.920
myself when my hair starts thinning in the middle.

01:19:59.699 --> 01:20:03.479
Poor guy. He's like early 30s. He's not even

01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.359
that old. He's like, he's all right. Well, he's

01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:10.939
my age, but anyway. How old am I? I don't know.

01:20:11.260 --> 01:20:13.399
He is saying all the right things in therapy.

01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:20.270
Yeah. What concerns me is, do you know who else

01:20:20.270 --> 01:20:24.850
used to do this? Big Joe, my ex uncle. Yeah.

01:20:24.949 --> 01:20:28.149
Who went in front of the people that mattered.

01:20:28.609 --> 01:20:31.550
He would say all of the right things. He would

01:20:31.550 --> 01:20:36.510
get you to believe that he was on the right path.

01:20:37.210 --> 01:20:40.689
And that is a bipolar narcissist is who my ex

01:20:40.689 --> 01:20:43.289
-uncle is. And I believe we might have the same

01:20:43.289 --> 01:20:46.829
thing on our hands with one Mr. Dakota. Yeah,

01:20:46.970 --> 01:20:50.770
I do think he like definitely turns it on for

01:20:50.770 --> 01:20:53.989
therapy and then turns it off when he's alone

01:20:53.989 --> 01:20:57.829
with Taylor. And also turns it on for the confessionals,

01:20:57.829 --> 01:20:59.789
like where it's just him talking to the camera.

01:21:00.130 --> 01:21:06.189
Yeah. He comes across as very victim, very, I

01:21:06.189 --> 01:21:09.050
want my family to be together. I want to be the

01:21:09.050 --> 01:21:12.189
good guy. And then he can't do that when the

01:21:12.189 --> 01:21:13.810
cameras are around the rest of the time. I don't

01:21:13.810 --> 01:21:16.630
get it. There's a scene where you haven't gotten

01:21:16.630 --> 01:21:18.750
there yet, but this is not a spoiler. Taylor

01:21:18.750 --> 01:21:22.529
drops the baby off at Dakota's apartment and

01:21:22.529 --> 01:21:28.340
he doesn't have wipes. To be fair, if you ever

01:21:28.340 --> 01:21:31.460
drop August off at my house. But you're not his

01:21:31.460 --> 01:21:36.000
dad. Okay, that's fair. You should. I don't know.

01:21:36.020 --> 01:21:38.539
If you have a baby, you should have a whole setup

01:21:38.539 --> 01:21:41.100
for when you're expecting them. You need to have.

01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.140
He wants to live like he lives in. He wants to

01:21:44.140 --> 01:21:48.300
live like I did at IU. Then stop having babies

01:21:48.300 --> 01:21:50.380
and stop saying you want your family together.

01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:52.079
I agree. You don't want your family together.

01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:55.539
Oh, my God. It's the whole thing. But yeah, I

01:21:55.539 --> 01:21:57.520
don't know how I feel about it because I also

01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:01.060
think that Taylor kind of does that. Oh, yeah.

01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:03.659
I feel like she. They're both immature. Yeah.

01:22:03.779 --> 01:22:06.100
And I feel like they're both kind of manipulative

01:22:06.100 --> 01:22:09.420
people. And so we're watching them try to manipulate

01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:14.020
each other. That's hard. It's a lot to watch.

01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:18.079
I feel like they're going to end up back together

01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:20.239
at least two times before they're done done.

01:22:20.420 --> 01:22:24.350
Oh. At least. I think it's that kind of toxic

01:22:24.350 --> 01:22:27.949
couple where they're addicted to the toxicity.

01:22:27.949 --> 01:22:31.930
Oh, yeah. Where they fear that if they enter

01:22:31.930 --> 01:22:35.829
a new relationship, they'll miss the drama. They'll

01:22:35.829 --> 01:22:39.970
be bored by a healthy relationship. Yeah. I agree.

01:22:41.189 --> 01:22:45.390
We go to Demi's sex party. Loved that, by the

01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:48.750
way. I loved it. I hated it. And here's here's

01:22:48.750 --> 01:22:50.789
the thing. So they found the one sex coach in

01:22:50.789 --> 01:22:54.989
Utah to come to this party. That poor woman.

01:22:55.770 --> 01:23:00.270
Bless her heart. Because aside from her day to

01:23:00.270 --> 01:23:03.189
day job of dealing with people in Utah of all

01:23:03.189 --> 01:23:05.729
places. Trying to have sex with each other. Right.

01:23:06.810 --> 01:23:09.050
She's like, OK, I guess I'm going to go on TV

01:23:09.050 --> 01:23:18.349
now. And she shows up to Demi's house. Where

01:23:18.349 --> 01:23:23.529
they can't they can't just be cool, immature

01:23:23.529 --> 01:23:26.710
about it. That's the problem that I had. Yeah,

01:23:26.829 --> 01:23:30.770
they're very like giggly and uncomfortable. Yeah.

01:23:30.869 --> 01:23:34.789
And when they're doing the like exercise of it

01:23:34.789 --> 01:23:37.609
all, when they're like playing with the toys

01:23:37.609 --> 01:23:40.069
and whatever, finding what feels good for them.

01:23:41.180 --> 01:23:44.520
no one is taking it seriously right and it's

01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.020
like why did you come to this to be awkward and

01:23:48.020 --> 01:23:50.920
weird right and like get into it or get out to

01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.140
be fair there is some like there's like you have

01:23:53.140 --> 01:23:54.720
to laugh some of that off you have to like get

01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.199
through like that the giggles of it all but like

01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.579
sure but they just seem like they couldn't get

01:23:59.579 --> 01:24:01.640
out of middle school yeah you know like they

01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:03.979
were just learning about sex right it was so

01:24:03.979 --> 01:24:07.060
weird i don't know maybe it's just how it was

01:24:07.060 --> 01:24:10.319
edited i don't know it probably was a big part

01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.760
of it but i'm shocked and honestly kind of pleasantly

01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:17.680
surprised everyone actually showed up well should

01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.000
have been lingerie yeah like everyone looks so

01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:23.720
good stunning like really good and it wasn't

01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:27.300
like you'll get to an episode when we recap the

01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:28.739
rehearsals of salt lake city where they all have

01:24:28.739 --> 01:24:32.199
it's jen shaw's piece of shit garbage whore lingerie

01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:36.199
party is what she calls it and Lisa Barlow shows

01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:39.800
up in head to toe, like might as well have shown

01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:43.100
up in a burka. But it was like like flannel pajamas.

01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:48.880
Oh, my God. And these girls who I would argue

01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:50.600
are much more conservative than Lisa Barlow.

01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:54.100
Yeah. Showed up in real lingerie. And they all

01:24:54.100 --> 01:24:56.359
looked incredible. They really did. They all

01:24:56.359 --> 01:25:01.039
looked good. Yeah. Yeah. Loved it. During this

01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:03.680
during the party, the dads are doing dad talk.

01:25:04.939 --> 01:25:07.899
yeah i mean that's fine listen i'm glad they

01:25:07.899 --> 01:25:10.539
all get along i really i agree yeah i think that

01:25:10.539 --> 01:25:14.060
would be like really a rift if a lot of the men

01:25:14.060 --> 01:25:18.300
had problems with each other but right but then

01:25:18.300 --> 01:25:22.420
the part that actually was it was hard for me

01:25:22.420 --> 01:25:25.840
to watch this part leila can't comprehend that

01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:30.350
sex should be pleasurable for her too that actually

01:25:30.350 --> 01:25:32.329
made me sad because they were like, what feels

01:25:32.329 --> 01:25:35.130
good? Because her answer to the what do you like

01:25:35.130 --> 01:25:37.970
question was, I like seeing my partner feel good.

01:25:38.449 --> 01:25:41.909
And I think it was Demi asked her, no, what feels

01:25:41.909 --> 01:25:43.850
good for you? And she said, what do you mean?

01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:49.949
And that made me really sad. I think sex has

01:25:49.949 --> 01:25:52.750
been such a problem for her in her life. And

01:25:52.750 --> 01:25:57.090
unfortunately, even outside of the church, like

01:25:57.090 --> 01:26:00.590
in society, that's just like, not really something

01:26:00.590 --> 01:26:02.449
you can talk about. Like, you're not going to

01:26:02.449 --> 01:26:05.289
make a TikTok and be like, I really struggle

01:26:05.289 --> 01:26:07.989
feeling good about sex. Like, that's just not

01:26:07.989 --> 01:26:11.550
really something. Okay, so here's my question.

01:26:11.670 --> 01:26:14.770
Do you and I just have a very healthy relationship

01:26:14.770 --> 01:26:17.050
with sex? Because when you and I talk about this

01:26:17.050 --> 01:26:20.810
kind of stuff, I don't feel like we get weird

01:26:20.810 --> 01:26:22.569
about it. Like, do you and I just have a healthy

01:26:22.569 --> 01:26:25.609
relationship or, like, are we weird? No, I think

01:26:25.609 --> 01:26:31.100
that... I don't know. I think that we have a

01:26:31.100 --> 01:26:33.199
healthy relationship with sex and also that we

01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:36.479
feel comfortable with each other. I also feel

01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.939
like I wouldn't ever, like, go online and talk

01:26:38.939 --> 01:26:41.220
about my sex life. You know what I mean? Okay,

01:26:41.220 --> 01:26:43.979
okay, fair, fair, fair. Like, I just, I'm just

01:26:43.979 --> 01:26:47.659
not like that. Like, I just can't. And most people

01:26:47.659 --> 01:26:49.640
aren't, especially if you're having trouble in

01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:52.380
the bedroom. Like, you're never gonna, like...

01:26:52.380 --> 01:26:55.539
Oh, okay, yeah. Like, for Layla, I just don't

01:26:55.539 --> 01:26:59.890
see her making a TikTok being, like... I can't

01:26:59.890 --> 01:27:03.090
come. So it's, we're talking about two kind of

01:27:03.090 --> 01:27:05.449
different, not two different issues, but two

01:27:05.449 --> 01:27:09.770
ways of approaching it where she's, this is happening

01:27:09.770 --> 01:27:12.750
in her life. And she's like, she's kind of honest

01:27:12.750 --> 01:27:14.609
about it with herself, but then she has to be

01:27:14.609 --> 01:27:17.130
honest about it on reality television. Yeah.

01:27:17.710 --> 01:27:20.670
And okay. Okay. That's a different thing. Cause

01:27:20.670 --> 01:27:23.329
it's like as separated as she is from the church.

01:27:23.390 --> 01:27:25.810
I feel like she's still, it never leaves you

01:27:25.810 --> 01:27:28.489
though. Yeah. She still has those ideals in her.

01:27:28.569 --> 01:27:31.850
And then you have society as a whole, which is

01:27:31.850 --> 01:27:35.289
sex positive, but only to a certain point. And

01:27:35.289 --> 01:27:38.890
so it's like, we're a sex positive wink. Right.

01:27:39.029 --> 01:27:41.489
Exactly. And so I don't think she necessarily

01:27:41.489 --> 01:27:44.789
has the safe space to be like, yeah, listen,

01:27:44.909 --> 01:27:46.789
this is something I really struggle with, especially,

01:27:46.989 --> 01:27:50.750
Especially when she has this new boyfriend this

01:27:50.750 --> 01:27:55.090
season who's very, very Mormon. I feel like he

01:27:55.090 --> 01:27:57.369
wouldn't have liked that either if she was like,

01:27:57.550 --> 01:28:00.750
yeah, we're having sex, but I don't like it.

01:28:00.949 --> 01:28:04.810
They said that when they were at the at the car

01:28:04.810 --> 01:28:07.090
or like at the Ferris wheel, though, when they

01:28:07.090 --> 01:28:09.850
have sex. Yes. Yeah. She said, do you feel pressure

01:28:09.850 --> 01:28:11.890
to make me come? Like she said that to him. Oh,

01:28:12.149 --> 01:28:16.869
I don't remember. Yeah. What? Yeah. Oh. Is it

01:28:16.869 --> 01:28:19.390
because she said that on TV? Is that why she

01:28:19.390 --> 01:28:22.609
asked that? Because she said she's never come

01:28:22.609 --> 01:28:25.329
like on TV. Do you think that's why she's asking?

01:28:25.810 --> 01:28:30.449
Maybe. I don't know. But like. It is a hard situation.

01:28:30.449 --> 01:28:32.630
I feel like a piece of shit if I was that guy.

01:28:32.770 --> 01:28:36.890
I know. Make me come. I know, but I feel like

01:28:36.890 --> 01:28:39.329
it has little to do with him and everything to

01:28:39.329 --> 01:28:42.289
do with her. I think she feels so constricted

01:28:42.289 --> 01:28:45.069
and guilty about I think she has a very Jesus

01:28:45.069 --> 01:28:49.130
is watching kind of. Well, probably. But when

01:28:49.130 --> 01:28:51.510
you if you ever listen to Derek and Romaine,

01:28:51.510 --> 01:28:57.649
Romaine is like is is like a sexpert. And she

01:28:57.649 --> 01:29:02.039
talks a lot about how. With guys, it's very easy

01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:06.100
for a guy to get off in most scenarios. For a

01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:11.079
girl, it is very psychological. Yeah, it's a

01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.500
mental game more than anything. And I think she's

01:29:14.500 --> 01:29:17.699
losing that battle. I agree. Which is hard to

01:29:17.699 --> 01:29:22.260
watch. It is. I want her. I want nothing but

01:29:22.260 --> 01:29:24.039
good things for her. I think Layla is so cool.

01:29:24.100 --> 01:29:25.460
I know. Like, I want to be her friend really

01:29:25.460 --> 01:29:31.189
bad. I want her to be a squirt queen. She deserves

01:29:31.189 --> 01:29:34.409
it. She deserves it. We come to the final scene.

01:29:35.430 --> 01:29:39.489
Macy got a book deal, I guess. Are we reading

01:29:39.489 --> 01:29:42.029
this book? Are we going to read this book? Maybe

01:29:42.029 --> 01:29:46.729
only because have you gotten? No, it's the next

01:29:46.729 --> 01:29:51.289
episode. The one after what you're. So it must

01:29:51.289 --> 01:29:56.649
be episode five. She opens up more about. what

01:29:56.649 --> 01:29:59.489
the book is about okay and it's something very

01:29:59.489 --> 01:30:03.029
relatable to me okay so we'll get there cool

01:30:03.029 --> 01:30:06.829
it actually might be a good thing to talk about

01:30:06.829 --> 01:30:12.250
on the podcast okay yeah because basically her

01:30:12.250 --> 01:30:21.569
you know her son's dad died i think i i think

01:30:21.569 --> 01:30:25.380
i knew that yeah yeah that's basically the gist

01:30:25.380 --> 01:30:27.159
of it okay so she gets into this in the next

01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:29.960
episode yeah okay is she like that actually would

01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.359
be like you because you can relate to that a

01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:33.560
lot you should talk about that on the next episode

01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:35.800
when we recap that episode i'll talk about it

01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:37.699
because yeah it's actually like a very similar

01:30:37.699 --> 01:30:41.840
thing to what happened with jack's dad so yeah

01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:44.939
i'm also willing we're gonna read this book i've

01:30:44.939 --> 01:30:49.260
decided Yeah, I like Macy. I really do. She was

01:30:49.260 --> 01:30:52.760
my favorite this season. She gets more airtime

01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:56.100
in the later episodes, I feel like. She is just

01:30:56.100 --> 01:30:59.699
such a sweet, perfect angel, but she still lives

01:30:59.699 --> 01:31:02.039
for the drama. Do you feel like she kind of looks

01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.779
like Sidney Sweeney? Yeah, I can see that. Okay,

01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.140
because I started to see that in this episode,

01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.560
and I was like, oh, now I know who she looks

01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:12.199
like. I couldn't put my finger on who she looks

01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:15.449
like. They go to a restaurant. She is actually

01:31:15.449 --> 01:31:18.149
very beautiful. And she doesn't look like the

01:31:18.149 --> 01:31:22.430
rest of them. She does look different from the

01:31:22.430 --> 01:31:24.810
rest of them. She does look like Heather Gay's

01:31:24.810 --> 01:31:28.449
daughters, though. She does. She does look like

01:31:28.449 --> 01:31:30.569
Heather Gay's daughters. And I can tell that

01:31:30.569 --> 01:31:32.729
she has some filler, but she hasn't filled up

01:31:32.729 --> 01:31:34.770
her face. She hasn't overdone it, though. She's

01:31:34.770 --> 01:31:38.960
done work very well. Yeah. Love her. Love, love,

01:31:38.979 --> 01:31:41.619
love Macy. They go to a restaurant called Provisions

01:31:41.619 --> 01:31:43.520
where they've also gone on Real Housewives of

01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.060
Salt Lake City. And we will be going there when

01:31:46.060 --> 01:31:48.859
we take the pod to Salt Lake City. We have to.

01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.819
I didn't I didn't like Michaela showing up and

01:31:55.819 --> 01:31:58.479
like needing to do the whole song and dance of

01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:00.699
like the seating arrangement game. I hated that.

01:32:01.340 --> 01:32:05.319
I think people who focus so much on seating arrangements

01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:07.239
and who they're going to be next to and across

01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:11.319
from are weird. I think you're weird. I think.

01:32:11.380 --> 01:32:14.800
OK, so like I get if two people are mid fight,

01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:17.539
like they are literally at each other's throats

01:32:17.539 --> 01:32:21.100
and you want to separate them to keep your event

01:32:21.100 --> 01:32:24.939
on track. Yes. To announce your book. Fine. But

01:32:24.939 --> 01:32:28.680
other than that, fucking chill. Well, it's that

01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:34.420
and like. I can't right now in my life. I cannot

01:32:34.420 --> 01:32:36.520
think of one person. If you and I got invited

01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:40.100
to a dinner party and I found out that I was

01:32:40.100 --> 01:32:42.680
sitting next to anyone, I cannot think of one

01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:47.800
person who I'd be sitting next to where I would,

01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.180
I would have that reaction. Right. Even if it's

01:32:50.180 --> 01:32:53.220
someone I don't like. Right. Like, because we

01:32:53.220 --> 01:32:55.239
don't care. We've all been in that situation.

01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:59.180
Like the. We have a person in our life who there's

01:32:59.180 --> 01:33:07.000
been a lot of drama with recently and. I he's

01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:10.560
dead to me at this point, but if you sat me next

01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:11.920
to him at a dinner party, I just turn around

01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.539
and talk to you. Right. Like it doesn't really

01:33:14.539 --> 01:33:17.539
matter. And like, especially in an event like

01:33:17.539 --> 01:33:20.520
this, where like, you know, your friend is just

01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:24.399
putting this together to announce something like.

01:33:24.989 --> 01:33:28.550
You're not going to have to come up with conversation

01:33:28.550 --> 01:33:31.369
with these people for very long. Like, you're

01:33:31.369 --> 01:33:35.090
here for Macy. Right. So why are you being weird?

01:33:35.369 --> 01:33:40.369
Right. Whitney shows up and the clout conversation

01:33:40.369 --> 01:33:46.310
starts up again. Again. They're all there for

01:33:46.310 --> 01:33:48.850
clout. Right. Every single last one of them.

01:33:48.909 --> 01:33:52.069
Right. Including Taylor. It was started for clout.

01:33:52.109 --> 01:33:58.979
Right. So Whitney, though, I feel like I like

01:33:58.979 --> 01:34:01.880
how she's approaching trying to get back into

01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:03.800
the group where she's not she's not going too

01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:06.399
hard. She does come off a little desperate in

01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:07.760
her confessionals. I'm not going to lie to you.

01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.180
She is kissing their feet a little bit, but I

01:34:10.180 --> 01:34:12.539
feel like she has to. Yes. She's kissing the

01:34:12.539 --> 01:34:14.760
ring a little bit. She's like she's friends with

01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:17.119
Taylor. She's friends. She's like, I'm trying

01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:20.119
friendly with everyone. She's not letting really

01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:24.890
any of the conflict. stop her from being nice

01:34:24.890 --> 01:34:27.289
to everyone, which is the right strategy. A hundred

01:34:27.289 --> 01:34:28.810
percent. And so I think she's doing the right

01:34:28.810 --> 01:34:33.270
thing in this scenario. We start to talk about

01:34:33.270 --> 01:34:35.310
the book and then we find out Macy's dad gave

01:34:35.310 --> 01:34:37.649
her a journal when she first found out she was

01:34:37.649 --> 01:34:39.289
pregnant. And this is kind of what sparked the

01:34:39.289 --> 01:34:41.449
whole thing of like, I'm going to write down

01:34:41.449 --> 01:34:42.649
the good days. I'm going to write down the bad

01:34:42.649 --> 01:34:47.659
days and everything in between. And yeah. And

01:34:47.659 --> 01:34:49.659
I think that's kind of cool. And then Taylor

01:34:49.659 --> 01:34:51.979
was super, super supportive, which I really,

01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:53.399
really did like to see because I don't think

01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:55.439
she would have been this person a year ago. No.

01:34:55.939 --> 01:35:00.800
But did you see Demi's fucking face? Yes. So

01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:06.659
Jen gets up to hug to hug Macy and they cut to

01:35:06.659 --> 01:35:11.100
Demi, who is just rolling her eyes and she. She's

01:35:11.100 --> 01:35:15.420
so mad. She's so mad. Keep this in mind as you

01:35:15.420 --> 01:35:19.909
keep watching. how mad she looks. Yes. She is

01:35:19.909 --> 01:35:23.750
so weird. She's not friends with any of these

01:35:23.750 --> 01:35:25.550
people, I'm telling you. Well, the thing that

01:35:25.550 --> 01:35:27.689
I couldn't figure out, is she mad at Jen getting

01:35:27.689 --> 01:35:31.350
up to hug Macy, or is she mad at... She's mad

01:35:31.350 --> 01:35:33.489
that Macy got a book deal. Okay, so... She's

01:35:33.489 --> 01:35:36.050
mad that anyone gets anything that wasn't offered

01:35:36.050 --> 01:35:40.640
to her first. Interesting. OK. OK. Just wait.

01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:44.640
I cannot wait for you to see the fall of Denny.

01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:48.260
I can't wait. So Macy announces that she's also

01:35:48.260 --> 01:35:50.659
doing a celebrity pickleball tournament in Arizona,

01:35:50.739 --> 01:35:55.680
which I have a feeling celebrity is a word we're

01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:00.640
using very loosely. Yeah. It's like on the show,

01:36:00.659 --> 01:36:05.069
like when she does it and. There's another host

01:36:05.069 --> 01:36:06.890
there because she's like hosting it, right? She's

01:36:06.890 --> 01:36:09.670
like announcing. There's another one there who's

01:36:09.670 --> 01:36:12.489
allegedly a celebrity, too. I cannot for the

01:36:12.489 --> 01:36:15.390
life of me. If I recognize who they were, I don't

01:36:15.390 --> 01:36:18.590
remember it, which means they are not a celebrity.

01:36:18.909 --> 01:36:20.729
Well, that has to be coming up in the next episode.

01:36:20.850 --> 01:36:24.029
So I actually like I can't wait for this. And

01:36:24.029 --> 01:36:28.310
then the girls decide to do a truth box because

01:36:28.310 --> 01:36:34.180
they always go over so well. So they all throw

01:36:34.180 --> 01:36:38.020
in their little, like, their little cards. And

01:36:38.020 --> 01:36:40.399
they're all pretty inconsequential until we get

01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:42.939
to Taylor, who opens up the card that says, I

01:36:42.939 --> 01:36:46.420
think Jen is fake. And that's where the episode

01:36:46.420 --> 01:36:51.380
cliffhangs. Right. And I mean, obviously we get

01:36:51.380 --> 01:36:54.460
it. Jen has not been telling the truth to everyone.

01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:59.720
She's kind of spiraling out. Like, I don't know.

01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:03.300
She's like, I don't know. You need to watch the

01:37:03.300 --> 01:37:05.920
next episode because it's just T, T, T, T, T,

01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:09.680
T, T. I can't wait. Well, dear listener, that

01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:12.979
brings us to the end of the episode. Thank you

01:37:12.979 --> 01:37:15.760
for listening. We love you from the United States

01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.180
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01:37:19.180 --> 01:37:22.560
Italy soon. Please listen to us in Italy. We

01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:24.579
want to go to Italy. Listen to us in Iceland.

01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:28.000
I really want to go to Iceland really bad. Yeah.

01:37:28.380 --> 01:37:30.750
There's also. I was watching a YouTube video

01:37:30.750 --> 01:37:33.350
about Singapore and their airport. I want to

01:37:33.350 --> 01:37:36.609
visit the Singapore airport really bad. Kenny's

01:37:36.609 --> 01:37:38.789
been wanting to go to Singapore forever. Apparently,

01:37:38.789 --> 01:37:43.390
it's like really cool. A concept is Singapore

01:37:43.390 --> 01:37:46.949
bestie approved. We'll have to see. We'll have

01:37:46.949 --> 01:37:49.149
to see. It kind of gives me the vibes of Dubai,

01:37:49.329 --> 01:37:52.489
which is a topic for another episode. Anyway,

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