Kesha changed Travis's life after three ER visits.

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Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie

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Approved. What's the last song you listened to?

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Oh yeah, hold on. Aw, it was open to Bestie Approved.

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Hold on. I believe. Oh, I know the last song

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I listened to. It was on TikTok. It was a performance

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of King for a Day by Pierce the Veil. And they

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brought out Kellen Quinn. It was like the most

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amazing thing I've ever seen. And I would have

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lost my mind if I were there. I love that. It

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was beautiful. Mine was Red Flag by Kesha. I

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love that. Are we on? to Kesha like are you in

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a Kesha only state after her concert um yeah

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yeah I think so um yes we are in a very Kesha

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place now that I've seen her my life has been

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changed for the better I'm so happy for you so

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um for everyone out there I went and saw Kesha

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on Friday and it was the best night of my life

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I So FaceTime lets you leave voicemails now.

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And Emma received a FaceTime voicemail from me

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at, what, 2 o 'clock in the morning of me literally

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crying. And my voice was shot to hell. And I

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was just in a state of euphoria. And I was just

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like, she's in such a good place. I'm so happy

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for her. I love her so much. And I was just really

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happy to be there. It was really good. And let

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me just tell you, Kesha puts on a... fucking

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show oh yeah i think she did even when she was

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like being tortured yes like she like she came

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out and she talked about how like she's happy

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when she's performing and like this is what she

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like this is why she does it and i oh my god

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it was so good she doesn't know how not to serve

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no to be honest not a clue not a clue when it

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comes to being demure That's beautiful. While

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we're here, should we talk about the day before

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you went to Kesha? Why not? So the day before

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I went to Kesha, Emma and I had what can only

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be described as medical adventures. Well, I guess.

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Travis called me. While I was getting in the

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car to go to the emergency room, and his ass

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was in the emergency room. I could not believe

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my eyes. Well, so you'd already been to the emergency

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room once that day before I had called you. Yeah,

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I was going back. Right. Yeah. So, do you want

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to start with yours or do you want to start with

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mine? We can go in chronological order. Okay,

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go for it. So, I was having... minor things go

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on with the pregnancy nothing crazy but it happened

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for like a few days and so I messaged my OB and

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I was like hey I really just need you to tell

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me that this is all normal and fine blah blah

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blah to which they called me and said please

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go to the ER and I said okay and while we're

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on that that has to be the most terrifying fucking

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thing an ob -gyn can say to someone right because

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when you're pregnant everything is like it could

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be that you're losing the pregnancy or it could

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be nothing everything every single little thing

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every single little thing is like that and so

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yeah i was terrified and i they were like okay

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so which er are you gonna go to and i was like

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well if it doesn't matter i'm just gonna go to

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the one closest to my house So I do that. They

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get there, they tell me, what's the most important

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thing? Or they ask me, what's the most important

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thing for you today? And I was like, I just want...

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What? What? Yes. Yeah, they said, what do you

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need from us, basically? And so what I thought

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was happening is that I thought I was having

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an amniotic fluid leak. So I tell them, upon

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arrival... I want to make sure I'm not leaking

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amniotic fluid. It's like the stuff the baby

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is surrounded in in my uterus, right? Right,

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right, right, right. And they go, okay, great.

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We're going to test to see if you have a yeast

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infection, BV, or UTI. And then once those are

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all back, we're going to tell you we don't have

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labor and delivery here and we cannot test to

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see if you are leaking amniotic fluid. So you

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should probably call your OB and tell her that

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we can't run that test, even though we just kept

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you here for two hours for no reason. So I do

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that. And the OB on call, because at this point,

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it's like 530 in the evening. The OB on call

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is like. I hate to tell you this, but you're

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going to have to go to our emergency room so

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they can run that test. I don't know why they

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thought it was appropriate to even keep you there,

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blah, blah, blah. So I was like, okay, I'll do

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that. And I did that and everything is fine,

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right? But on my way there is when I called Travis

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and he's in the emergency room. Cut to Travis.

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So... So mine is... A little more. A little more

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fuzzy than Emma's, so I. Oh, oh, because you

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were unconscious. Yes. OK, so I was at school.

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I was on campus doing homework and then I had

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an interview with another podcast who it's called.

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This might get messy. You'll hear about it in

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a in a couple of weeks. But I was like, I have

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to pee before I get in my car. And I wasn't going

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anywhere special. I wasn't doing anything special.

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It was completely normal. And I would actually

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argue it was a chiller than normal day because

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I had not had four Alani News that day. So true.

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So I go to the bathroom. I have to pee. And I

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very vividly remember standing at a urinal. And

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the next thing I know, I wake up in the floor

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of the bathroom, dick out. Oh, I didn't even

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think about that. Yeah. And I was just like,

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what the fuck happened? And all I could feel

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was my head hurting. And for a second there,

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I was like, did someone come up and hit me in

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the back of the head? That's all I could think.

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And that didn't happen, obviously. I just passed

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out. I was like, let me gather my things because

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like I, my phone had like flown across the room.

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My beats were like in two separate places. Like

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it was the most bizarre situation. I was like,

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okay, let me, let me just get my shit together

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and like get in the car. And then I received

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a start walking to the car and I was like, God,

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I. am in pain and then i proceed to like feel

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the back of my head and i like look at my hand

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and i was like oh i busted my head open yeah

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and so i was like okay let me go to the closest

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hospital which is for for everyone keeping track

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is eskenazi hospital That is the stroke hospital.

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Where I went for my stroke. And this is now the

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second time I've gone into that hospital and

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I've been like, hey, I don't know what happened,

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but can we just take a look under the hood and

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see what's going on? And this is the second time

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I've gone to that hospital and they've been like,

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please get in a wheelchair now. Yeah, I don't

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think they play around with head trauma. Also,

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when I went to the second ER, they put me in

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a wheelchair. I was like, Mama, I was just eating

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Chick -fil -A in your parking lot. Right. I'm

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fine. Right. So, at this point, I think I called

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Emma already just because I just needed to talk

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to her. Oh, yeah, and I called you back. Yes.

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Because I think you called me when I was in the

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first ER. I think so. yeah and then yeah so like

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the long and short of it is they don't really

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know what happened i have to follow up with my

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doctor like whatever and they stapled my head

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shut cut to emma being on the phone with me and

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i was being like ha ha ha we're in the hospital

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how funny yeah so fucking chaotic okay now it's

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back to you no everything turned out fine they

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like ran a bunch of tests while i was there they

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wouldn't let me leave until one of the tests

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came back Because if it is, like, a fluid leak,

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they need to monitor you and, like, see what's

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happening inside. La -di -da -di -da. But that

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does kind of lead me into the pregnancy update

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for this week. I am 19. I'm sorry. I'm 20 weeks

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today. That is wild. We had the anatomy scan

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yesterday. The baby. is measuring two weeks bigger

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than it's supposed to be. My app says he should

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be around 10 ounces. He is 15. Wait, so he's

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50 % larger than he's supposed to be. Right.

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Him's a thick little boy. Him's a thick little

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boy. There's like a million things that can lead

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to that. They say it's like... Um, if you have

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gestational diabetes, which obviously I've been

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making myself anxious about, but also like babies

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don't grow in a linear way. They have like growth

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spurts. And so he could have just gone through

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a growth spurt. A lot of babies average out like

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towards the end of pregnancy. Not the biggest

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deal, but he's huge. They saw him. kicking and

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wiggling and being crazy which was so validating

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for me because i feel him all the time like all

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the time constantly and i didn't have that with

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jack he is just they were like definitely a wiggle

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worm i was like yeah yeah i love that he had

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his hands like up to his face like he was gonna

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box somebody it was great he's healthy everything's

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fine um yeah Nothing too crazy. My app says he's

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the size of a sweet potato, but if he's measuring

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22 weeks, he's actually the size of a papaya.

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A papaya. Papaya. I can't believe he's almost

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a pound. It's crazy. Yeah, that is wild. Yeah.

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Also, I was reading up on this so much yesterday.

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A lot of people have said that the estimates

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you get from... an ultrasound for weight are

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a lot of times just like wrong like dead wrong

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like i saw some lady on reddit who was like they

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told me i was gonna have an 11 pound baby and

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they came out under seven pounds i i'm gonna

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be real with you because you know i know nothing

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of the nature of a baby i guess in my mind they

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they like weighed you at the beginning of your

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pregnancy and then they like just started weighing

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you as you went on and that's just how they estimated

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the weight of the baby like that's just how i

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assumed it worked well i can't do that because

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like number one you're putting on weight but

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even besides that you grow the amniotic sac you

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have all the amniotic fluid so it weighs more

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than what the baby would yeah okay that's fair

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i see i don't know so much extra stuff on top

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of the baby Yeah. The sack that he's floating

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in, you know? Yeah, yeah. That, like, holds weight.

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So... Yeah, I guess that's why. Well... Yeah,

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now we know. Now we know. Hi, little papaya.

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Papaya. I love that. He is in there going crazy,

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going stupid. Every time I lay down, I'm like,

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okay. Also, he's breech. What is that? Which

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means... So, like... When a baby is being born,

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they're supposed to have their head down, right?

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So the head comes out first. He's feet down right

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now. So he's just kicking me right in the cervix.

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Is that, like, incredibly painful? No. I have,

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like, pressure in my pelvis. Like, I can feel

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it. It feels like someone kicked me in the gooch

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or something. But, I mean, it's not. Crazy. Yeah.

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I don't like that. And you can like feel where

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he is now. Like most of my stomach feels normal

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except for where the baby is. It feels hard.

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You can feel him in there. Really? I had Kenny

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feel him for the first time last night and he

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went. That's the first time he's felt the baby.

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That's wild to me. Yeah. Do you know what I just

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realized? This is our 10th episode. Right. 10.

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episode in the double digits baby that is insane

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i know it is i love that um what's next so we've

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got i put a lot on the on the list this week

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actually well while we're doing announcements

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and updates we could talk about the podcast movement

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2025 okay yeah so um at the very beginning of

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this little journey i and emma's been incredibly

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good at like kind of reeling me in with some

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of this where it's like i will want to be the

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best at everything and like i want to be the

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next like sexy unique podcast or the next brav

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bros or the next like the next last did you watch

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the cultural awards by the way yes can we talk

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about that for a second did you see the video

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with Her name is escaping me. Jamie Lee Curtis?

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Yes. I always want to say Jamie Lynn Spears,

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which is not bad. No, not her. Different Jamie.

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Worse Jamie. Well, Jamie Lee Curtis is the better

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Jamie. Right. Let's establish that right now.

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But that video of her telling them to, like,

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rein themselves in at their own fucking award

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show. Like, who do you fucking think you are?

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I think Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the funniest

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people on God's green earth. And like, I'll give

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her a pass on that. I think she's so funny. I

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don't. I don't. I think that she's funny most

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of the time, but I feel like we just saw the

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real her. Okay. That's fair. Like having their

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moment and you're telling them they need to bring

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it down a notch. Fuck you. Okay. That was, I

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really did not appreciate that. Fair. At all.

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Anyway. Anyway. But, like, in my mind, I was

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like, I want to be the next Alex. Call her daddy.

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What is Alex's? Alex Cooper. I want to be the

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next Alex Cooper. And Emma's been like, let's

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just get really good at, like, one thing at a

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time. Yeah. And so it's been, let's get really,

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really good at. being comfortable on a microphone

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well that and like the audio and like that of

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all of it which is i think we've i think we've

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come an extremely long way by the way yeah there's

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always room for improvement i'm i'm talking about

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myself not you no i think yeah no i think we've

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both done incredible i think you started off

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much more comfortable than i was because i was

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just like i don't know how to like talk and shit

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on a microphone oh i just never given a fuck

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but that being said in the very beginning of

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all this i filled out an application to go to

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the podcast movement conference in dallas and

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they gave us well they gave both of us free tickets

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to go um but emma's got baby august and then

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the next day is jack's birthday and everything

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so i'm going to that yeah i wish i could go i

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think we'd have we'll go next year it'll be yeah

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it'll be the second week of jack in first grade

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and i would get back like on his birthday it's

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just a whole thing Anyway. I'm so excited, though.

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I think it's going to be so cool. If anyone's

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listening that's going to be there, let me know.

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We could guest swap. Speaking of which, someone

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commented on our Spotify. You can literally let

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us know things. Hello. Yes. We got our first

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comment ever on Spotify. Hang on. I'm going to

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go to it. I'm going to read it. This man's name

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is Jordan. I haven't forgotten his name. But

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we don't know him, right? Like, you don't know

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him. No, I have no idea who this guy is. But

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I know that I love him. And I'll kiss him right

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on the mouth. I know. I want to send him my life

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savings. Thank you. So Jordan, a week ago, commented

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on one of our episodes on Spotify. He said, everyone

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needs a Travis and Emma in their life. love the

00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.259
podcast guys keep it up and my god like i read

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that and that made my entire day like i can't

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even tell you that was the coolest thing he could

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have just said like one word and i still would

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have been like but but it was so sweet it's so

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cool so thank you so much jordan and listen if

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anyone on god's green earth is willing to comment

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on our little podcast We're going to shout you

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out. Just know that. We're going to shout you

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out. We're going to embarrass you. Just say it.

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Say whatever you want. I don't even care if it's

00:18:32.029 --> 00:18:35.589
mean. Say it. Be mean to us. We love mean people.

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Constructive criticism makes the world go round.

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Hello. Thank you so much, Jordan. That was really,

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really, really cool of you. That was... This

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is the thing. Emma and I don't think that we're

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out here like... changing lives we don't think

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we're doing hard -hitting journalism by any stretch

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of the imagination we're two idiots on the internet

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with microphones because that's what the world

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needed i don't have a bulletproof vest mama we're

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just talking no and the fact that someone like

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recognized a like this is two friends just talking

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and that this is entertaining to them that was

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really fucking cool i'm I'm so happy about that.

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How nice. What's next? Oh, the Hollister Vintage

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Collection. Have you seen this on TikTok? Oh,

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vaguely. So I looked it up. Are they just like

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bringing back what they were putting out in 2012?

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2009 is where it's really thrown back to. I recognize

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some of the outfits from. when i worked there

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and that was really really really hard for me

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to unpack i hate that we've lost okay so technically

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for something to be vintage send us an email

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comment tell me if i'm wrong but i've always

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been told for something to be vintage it has

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to be more than 50 years old for something to

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be antique it has to be more than 100 years old

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so they're not we're really stretching what vintage

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means and Hollister's not the first one to do

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this all the TikTok and fashion girlies who like

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go thrifting and stuff love to call things vintage

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from the early 2000s that's not vintage so I

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what you're describing is what vintage used to

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be and this this comes back to the conversation

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we had when we were talking about Anna Wintour

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where like fast fashion trends don't last for

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a year anymore right like because it like they

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it used to go in cycles where it was like i the

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last time i really remember this happening was

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probably 2012 2013 where things moved in cyclical

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trends and now it is like something matters for

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like a week or two or like a month whatever and

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then it's on to the next thing i think this is

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the result of that because what you're describing

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the vintage the antique thing absolutely used

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to be a rule i don't think it's a rule anymore

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so why can we just change the definition of things

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i would like some input on that because we're

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back to bootcut jeans mama can i just tell you

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a secret I never departed from bootcut jeans.

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It has always been the Aiden bootcut jean from

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Buckle. That is the only jean I have worn for

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probably 15 years. I do think that bootcut jeans

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look much better on men than they do on women.

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You know what I'm talking about with women? Yeah,

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it's Denise Richards is what you're describing.

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Denise Richards in a pair of bootcut jeans. And

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I think she is so cunt in them because it reminds

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me of... Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears in

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like 2005, 2006. I know exactly what you're talking

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about, but I think a woman looks incredible.

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Here's the thing. I think a woman and a guy,

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they all look incredible in whatever the fuck

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they want to wear. What are you? I think that's

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kind. Emma just showed me a picture of a woman

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in book cut jeans. I want everyone to wear exactly

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what they want to wear. I want everyone to feel

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comfortable and confident. i just maybe it's

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because i was like 14 wearing bootcut jeans and

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i just hated myself but i don't understand i

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just don't understand and maybe it's because

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i'm so old i'm pushing 30 and so i'm seeing trends

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come back from my childhood where i'm like oh

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no that's that's how i felt when like they started

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talking about the hollister vintage collection

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where but I think the problem that I'm having

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with it is Hollister is the one bringing it back.

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It's not the girls on TikTok. It is Hollister

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saying, I know what we're going to dip into the

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archives here. From, like, the applique t -shirts

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and the, like... The red bird. Yeah, the whole

00:23:03.029 --> 00:23:08.670
thing. And I'm like... I can't be this old. I

00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:13.630
have PTSD. I can't. Sorry. I just... I don't

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know. And like, are they ever going to acknowledge

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how problematic they were in that era? Are they

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ever going to own up to that? No, I don't think

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they will. But what I wish they would bring back,

00:23:25.950 --> 00:23:30.630
and this is a deep cut for anyone who is, you

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probably have to be over the age of what I like

00:23:34.950 --> 00:23:37.430
to pretend is 27, but you have to be over 30

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to actually remember this. There was a brand

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called Rule. It was, I think they had like maybe

00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:50.539
30 stores total. And it was the high -end line

00:23:50.539 --> 00:23:56.519
from Abercrombie & Fitch. And it was the best

00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.319
clothes. It was all the same thing. Like Abercrombie

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Hollister and Rule all sold the exact same thing,

00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:04.119
but they just put a different price tag and a

00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:05.880
different logo on it. I want them to bring back

00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.160
Rule so fucking bad. Like, that's what I want.

00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:10.960
If we're going to bring back anything from 2009,

00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:14.400
2010, that's what I want back. I just feel like

00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.700
we don't have the aesthetic for it anymore. People

00:24:16.700 --> 00:24:19.400
aren't spraying too much cologne in their stores.

00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:23.559
I don't know. People aren't, like, starving themselves

00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.019
to be a size zero, which is great, by the way.

00:24:27.579 --> 00:24:31.420
But, like, why can't we do something new? Have

00:24:31.420 --> 00:24:35.700
you seen them bringing back, like, have you seen

00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:38.759
them talking about, I think it's called vanity

00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:42.359
sizing where what they're doing now is like,

00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:44.859
they're actually putting zero double zero on

00:24:44.859 --> 00:24:47.960
jeans that are like a two or a three, because

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.740
there was a girl on Tik TOK. When I like looked

00:24:50.740 --> 00:24:53.160
up Hollister vintage collection, she put her

00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.339
double zero jeans from high school next to double

00:24:56.339 --> 00:25:00.259
zero jeans from like today at Hollister. And

00:25:00.259 --> 00:25:04.359
they are not the same size. And I, I knew they

00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.630
were doing that like intuitively. Like I, Could

00:25:07.630 --> 00:25:10.930
just tell. Because I grew up in that era where,

00:25:11.029 --> 00:25:14.829
like, I knew what I couldn't fit into. And now

00:25:14.829 --> 00:25:18.289
I look at some of those sizes and I'm like, mmm.

00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:20.690
Like, especially when I got skinny a few years

00:25:20.690 --> 00:25:24.390
ago, I was wearing, like, a six. And I was like,

00:25:24.470 --> 00:25:27.589
I'm not as skinny as I was in high school. Like,

00:25:27.690 --> 00:25:31.650
someone's lying. I knew. I knew. Wait, so which

00:25:31.650 --> 00:25:34.930
one? Is it the 2009 jeans that are lying or the

00:25:34.930 --> 00:25:38.900
jeans today that are lying? I don't know. I think

00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:41.180
if we had some kind of... Because here's the

00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:44.519
other thing, is that girls are expected to wear

00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.400
skin -tight jeans. Because number one, they look

00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.400
cunty. Let's be so honest. Oh, yeah. But number

00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:55.660
two, misogyny. Whatever. Okay. Right? However,

00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.980
it was always, and still is... It was always

00:25:59.980 --> 00:26:03.859
true that you didn't wear the same size at like

00:26:03.859 --> 00:26:06.440
American Eagle, that you did at Hollister, that

00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.819
you did at Abercrombie. Like there wasn't really

00:26:10.819 --> 00:26:17.259
like a hard and fast measurement where like if

00:26:17.259 --> 00:26:20.859
your hips are this measurement and your waist

00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:22.960
is this measurement and your inseam is this,

00:26:23.059 --> 00:26:26.549
then you wear this size. It was like, that's

00:26:26.549 --> 00:26:29.589
true for each brand, but the numbers are different.

00:26:29.710 --> 00:26:31.970
Well, it was true for guys, though. That was

00:26:31.970 --> 00:26:35.990
the fucked up part. Yeah. Which is, I was always,

00:26:36.109 --> 00:26:40.690
always, always, always a 30 Abercrombie Hollister

00:26:40.690 --> 00:26:43.450
anywhere I went. Because it means 30 inches.

00:26:43.829 --> 00:26:47.230
Right. Right. That's not true for women. That

00:26:47.230 --> 00:26:49.859
is so fucked up, though, because like... And

00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:53.259
now looking back on it, I very vividly remember

00:26:53.259 --> 00:26:56.500
these girls coming in into the fitting rooms

00:26:56.500 --> 00:26:58.599
at Abercrombie at Circle Center Mall being so

00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:00.740
excited that they could finally fit into a double

00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:05.039
zero. And Jesus Christ, now that I'm saying that

00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.559
out loud, I'm like, oh, we were the problem.

00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:12.279
100%. 100%. And so it's always been true that

00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.079
you're a different size for different brands.

00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:18.119
Speaking only for women, obviously. You're a

00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:20.039
different size for different brands because the

00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.019
measurements aren't a hard and fast rule. And

00:27:24.019 --> 00:27:26.299
so they can go in and change that whenever they

00:27:26.299 --> 00:27:28.339
want. And I think a lot of people have done the

00:27:28.339 --> 00:27:31.700
vanity sizing thing where... they've changed

00:27:31.700 --> 00:27:35.599
the hip circumference and waist circumference

00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:39.079
to be a little bit bigger for each size so that

00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:43.119
you can fit in a double zero or a zero or two

00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.279
or whatever see that's and that's where i'm conflicted

00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:47.880
and you know who i would really like to have

00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:52.400
on to talk about this is the people that host

00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.460
it's about bravo because they are stylists and

00:27:55.460 --> 00:27:59.000
they work in fashion and they've styled some

00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.240
of the real housewives for reunions before i'm

00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.480
like i would like to unpack this a little bit

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.119
because like i don't know if i feel good like

00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:10.910
oh you're like Not making someone feel like ashamed

00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:14.509
for not being a double zero and you're still

00:28:14.509 --> 00:28:16.750
calling it a double zero. Or are we saying like,

00:28:16.829 --> 00:28:19.630
oh, you can only be good enough if you're a double

00:28:19.630 --> 00:28:22.349
zero. I don't know where I fall on that. I think

00:28:22.349 --> 00:28:25.089
we should change the measurements in general.

00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:31.470
Because here's the thing. If it were like how

00:28:31.470 --> 00:28:35.119
it is for men and we were just. saying our waist

00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.660
size and our inseam it would make shopping so

00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:42.799
much easier it would make things easier to buy

00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.779
online it would make everything a lot easier

00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:48.400
if we would just change to that but we won't

00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.160
well the buckle does that the buckle like you

00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.740
go in and i because i've gone in with bailey

00:28:53.740 --> 00:28:57.319
before and she's like i mean bailey like has

00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:58.700
never had a problem in her life she's always

00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:02.559
been skinny and like the prettiest of all six

00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.000
of bailey's my cousin and she's always been the

00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.660
prettiest of the six grandkids and we all hate

00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:10.619
her but yeah not really i love her to death but

00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:13.180
like she's never been ugly a day in her life

00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:15.299
so she goes in and she's like yeah i'm a 26 and

00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:18.559
i'm like yeah it must be nice they do have that

00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:23.220
some places but it's not the rule it's the exception

00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:25.900
for sure you know who we should have on the podcast

00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:29.420
to talk about this too who stacy london i would

00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:32.200
like to pick her brain i love stacy london me

00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.740
too i think she's so cool yeah and i would like

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:37.339
to know what she has to say about sizing because

00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:40.660
even back when what not to wear was on television

00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:45.880
and the height of the ed epidemic and all of

00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.700
that she always said she was like very empowering

00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:51.619
now that i think about it she was always like

00:29:51.619 --> 00:29:54.440
you need clothes that fit you yeah if you get

00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.440
clothes that are too small you are not accomplishing

00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.259
what you think you're accomplishing right you

00:29:59.259 --> 00:30:02.890
need to just get the size that fits you I would

00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:05.430
love to pick her brain. Stacey London? Stacey

00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:06.990
London, if you're listening, if anyone knows

00:30:06.990 --> 00:30:09.589
Stacey London, please bring her on Bestie Approved.

00:30:09.609 --> 00:30:13.450
Stacey London, you are Bestie Approved. 100%.

00:30:13.450 --> 00:30:20.710
What else? What else is on the list? We have

00:30:20.710 --> 00:30:25.930
the man who is lonely of his own accord because

00:30:25.930 --> 00:30:28.829
he thinks women shouldn't subscribe to the Me

00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:32.299
Too movement. This little boy gets up on TikTok

00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:38.000
and he goes, fellas, if you know a girl that

00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.799
is in the Me Too movement or is empowered or

00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:46.140
like whatever. Is a feminist at all. Yes. Make

00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:48.640
sure you friend zone her. Make sure that you

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.720
don't get in a relationship with her. Basically

00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.980
saying you need a woman to be subservient to

00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:55.799
you and to follow you and to never speak out

00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:02.140
of turn. And Jesus Christ in heaven. It is conflicting

00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:06.319
to me, to be honest with you. Not the point that

00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:11.059
he's making. Obviously, he's a garbage man. But

00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:14.099
I'm conflicted on it because part of me is like,

00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:16.759
yeah, if you think that way, you should leave

00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:22.079
women the fuck alone. Like, I want you to friend

00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.900
zone every woman because I don't think they should

00:31:25.900 --> 00:31:31.220
want to be with you. That. But also, I'm sure

00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:34.900
that's the same type of guy who's like, male

00:31:34.900 --> 00:31:37.900
loneliness epidemic, midwomen think they can

00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:43.500
get hot guys now. It's because you think this

00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:47.140
way. Shut up. Here's what I want to explain to

00:31:47.140 --> 00:31:51.640
everyone. If you are in a relationship that works

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.839
for you, one of my cousins is like this, where

00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.140
she's doing the trad wife thing, and she is...

00:31:59.050 --> 00:32:03.730
not into feminism and that's hard for me but

00:32:03.730 --> 00:32:07.710
like i can't tell anyone else how to be no whatever

00:32:07.710 --> 00:32:10.549
like i feel what you feel and your feelings are

00:32:10.549 --> 00:32:13.109
real and don't push your feelings on other people

00:32:13.109 --> 00:32:17.480
is the biggest point But for someone to be so

00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.539
comfortable getting on the internet and saying

00:32:19.539 --> 00:32:22.680
with their whole chest, no, women shouldn't be

00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.359
feminists and they should all be friends. Okay,

00:32:24.460 --> 00:32:26.720
then you know what? More for the guys that are

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.240
not assholes. More for guys like Thor and Bradley

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:33.819
who are intimidated by a strong woman. Like,

00:32:33.819 --> 00:32:37.839
go fuck yourself. Like, Jesus God. It is this

00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.220
toxic masculinity thing where I'm just like,

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.400
yeah, men don't deserve rights. Like, let's just...

00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.839
Yeah, and part of me wants to, like, not correct

00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.099
them. Because, like, if you feel that way and

00:32:51.099 --> 00:32:54.380
you think that way, then yes, please stay the

00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:58.380
fuck out of women's way. Like, please don't bother

00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:01.880
them. Right. Like, if you hate them so much,

00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.380
I kind of want you to continue to hate them.

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.640
Well, and that's the thing is, like, do you actually

00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.880
hate women? Like, because that's all it can be

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.119
in my mind. You hate women. A hundred percent.

00:33:14.180 --> 00:33:17.240
That's what it is. I think it's also like a lot

00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.819
of, it's sort of like a prejudice thing where

00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:25.299
like they're not even willing to recognize their

00:33:25.299 --> 00:33:28.319
own prejudice and like work through that. They

00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:32.380
just think they're correct. It's a lot of my

00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:35.779
feelings are facts. It's that. And do you want

00:33:35.779 --> 00:33:37.480
to know what else I think a big part of it is?

00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:43.259
The church. Yeah, I can see that. Because. growing

00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:46.880
up in the nazarene church women are told they

00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:52.259
are not get yourself a man well it's it's you're

00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:53.960
told you need to find a man you're told you need

00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.140
to find a husband you're told that like you know

00:33:56.140 --> 00:34:00.420
your only value in life is that of being a mother

00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:03.519
of being a wife of being the keeper of a home

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.819
and if that's the life you want to live i won't

00:34:06.819 --> 00:34:09.039
tell anyone they shouldn't live that but i don't

00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.989
i have a problem with indoctrinating entire groups

00:34:12.989 --> 00:34:17.030
of women and then furthermore entire groups of

00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:20.570
men into believing that that is a woman's place

00:34:20.570 --> 00:34:23.590
in the world i think that's so sick i think the

00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:28.489
rhetoric like the message isn't isn't i mean

00:34:28.489 --> 00:34:31.670
whatever if it's not for you it's not for you

00:34:31.670 --> 00:34:35.349
if it's for you then it's for you but the rhetoric

00:34:35.349 --> 00:34:38.650
of how they explain themselves is troublesome

00:34:38.650 --> 00:34:43.960
to me because the one that rings in my mind is

00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:48.539
them saying well even if you do have this big

00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:52.599
wig job and a successful career and a social

00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:56.360
life to be proud of and all of this still the

00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.659
most important thing you'll ever do is be a mother

00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:03.639
shut the fuck up i've heard that so many times

00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:09.269
and it's like come on like it is raising children

00:35:09.269 --> 00:35:11.730
important yes we are seeing the repercussions

00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:13.610
as to why because you have fuckers like this

00:35:13.610 --> 00:35:17.849
on tiktok if your 16 year old starts talking

00:35:17.849 --> 00:35:21.449
like this guy is talking on tiktok you need to

00:35:21.449 --> 00:35:26.909
sit him down and say hey you don't think that

00:35:26.909 --> 00:35:30.809
way about women he was never corrected by his

00:35:30.809 --> 00:35:33.429
parents and so yes motherhood is important in

00:35:33.429 --> 00:35:36.889
that sense where you need to be involved with

00:35:36.889 --> 00:35:40.030
your kids and you need to teach them what is

00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:47.130
correct. However, I think if you're a CEO and

00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:50.289
you hire a nanny, that does not make you a failure

00:35:50.289 --> 00:35:54.230
as a woman. No. Like, what? Do you know who's

00:35:54.230 --> 00:35:55.849
actually really, really good at talking about

00:35:55.849 --> 00:36:02.510
this? Jennifer and Angie from I've Had It. They're

00:36:02.510 --> 00:36:04.889
very, very good at explaining this stuff to their

00:36:04.889 --> 00:36:08.449
kids. Because I think they both only have sons.

00:36:08.989 --> 00:36:10.889
I'm pretty sure they only have sons. I could

00:36:10.889 --> 00:36:13.030
be completely wrong. But I know both of them

00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:16.110
have sons. And they're like, you will not act

00:36:16.110 --> 00:36:19.710
like this. Just know that. Right. And so I guess

00:36:19.710 --> 00:36:22.469
the point I'm making is that motherhood is important

00:36:22.469 --> 00:36:25.710
in that sense of you are responsible for raising

00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:31.719
children who become adults. with empathy and

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.760
compassion and can understand people from different

00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.079
walks of life and all of that yes right is it

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:43.099
the most important thing you'll ever do not necessarily

00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:46.460
but if it is for you there's nothing wrong with

00:36:46.460 --> 00:36:49.380
it but i think the problem with that the idea

00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:51.599
around the most important thing a woman can do

00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.159
is be a mother then like what are you going to

00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.840
do with all like the the women out there that

00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:59.460
can't have kids what are you gonna do with devastating

00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:01.980
to them right well i had a similar experience

00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:07.000
when i was breastfeeding like so jack is two

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.320
weeks old his dad gets in a car accident i'm

00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.239
stressed out my body is responding to that and

00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.079
i like stopped producing enough milk to feed

00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.179
jack so like we had to switch to formula right

00:37:20.179 --> 00:37:24.239
and i beat myself up because i was like you're

00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.480
built to do that you are literally built to nourish

00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.639
a baby blah blah that is insane like that is

00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.380
the most insane way to think and yeah i think

00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:39.280
most women think that way to some extent i think

00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.880
that's so fucked up yeah it's like what is a

00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.940
man doing I'm trying to think. I'm a man, and

00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:48.559
I don't know what we're doing. I'm saying, like,

00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.400
a man's not ever going to beat himself up for

00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.960
being infertile. He's going to be like, oh, man.

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.320
Darn it. But he's not going to, like, cry over

00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.280
it for two weeks. Oh, man. Darn it. He's not

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:05.079
going to, like, you know what I mean? I do. It's

00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:09.179
just, like, the onus is so on women, and we just

00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:12.539
let men go golf or whatever. I don't understand

00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:17.420
it. oh we need to do better do you have anything

00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:22.699
to complain about today yeah oh oh you go first

00:38:22.699 --> 00:38:26.440
because i just saw what's on your list i'm gonna

00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.800
start this off by saying congratulations to trisha

00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.760
paytas on your third child i think that's beautiful

00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.059
also thank you for bringing ozzy osbourne back

00:38:35.059 --> 00:38:40.320
into the world apparently yeah i listen From

00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.039
what I've seen, which is not a lot because I

00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.239
will not watch Trisha Paytas. I'm about to get

00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.679
into it. She seems like an excellent mother.

00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:50.980
Oh, yeah. I think she's probably an incredible

00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:53.960
mother. She's a completely different personality

00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.679
than she is online. I'll give her that, probably.

00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.659
100%. I think her daughters and now her son are

00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:06.019
in very good hands. However, the way the internet

00:39:06.019 --> 00:39:10.949
is willing to just forget. Everything she did

00:39:10.949 --> 00:39:16.809
up to this point and give her millions and millions

00:39:16.809 --> 00:39:22.010
and millions of views and likes and dollars is

00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:27.349
dumbfounding to me. Have we forgotten how problematic

00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:36.960
this woman is? Like, wow. Wow. So this is, it's

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.900
funny that you bring Trisha Paytas up because

00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:42.659
Brittany, the girl that I went to the Kesha concert

00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:48.179
with, really loves Trisha Paytas. My first question

00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:50.780
whenever I hear someone really loves Trisha Paytas

00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:54.519
is, are you aware of all the things she has done

00:39:54.519 --> 00:40:01.619
and said? I'm not. I'm going to be super real

00:40:01.619 --> 00:40:02.940
with you. I don't know what she's... I don't

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:04.900
even really want to get into it. Okay. But she...

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.440
She's had a very problematic past. And most recently,

00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.539
being affiliated with Ethan Klein in the H3 podcast.

00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.400
That's the one that she quit in the middle of,

00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:21.500
though, right? Yes. I don't know if I know who

00:40:21.500 --> 00:40:23.260
Ethan Klein is, though. I'm going to be super

00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:27.059
real with you. So, Ethan Klein is a Zionist.

00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.619
Oh, he's the guy that's always fighting with

00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:33.139
Hasan Piker. Yeah, his wife was in the idea of

00:40:33.139 --> 00:40:36.300
all of that. He's straight. Mm -hmm. Isn't that

00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:39.079
shocking? I know. Oh. And they have the color

00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.539
-blocked clothing that's super ugly and all of

00:40:41.539 --> 00:40:46.400
that. Yeah. I was under the impression that Trisha

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.519
Paytas had a podcast with a gay man. I did not

00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:52.739
know. No. No, he's straight. He's just... And

00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.019
by the way, on their podcast, I can't believe

00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:56.699
I'm defending Trisha Paytas while I'm complaining

00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:02.079
about her, but he was mean to her. i remember

00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:05.599
seeing clips on tiktok where she would start

00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.179
crying and i was like this like i i swear to

00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:11.300
god i thought it was all an act and like i thought

00:41:11.300 --> 00:41:14.679
it was like they they turned the mics off and

00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.380
it was like you and me i swear to god that's

00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:20.699
what i thought it was her saying has always been

00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:23.500
and maybe this is why she's rubbed me the wrong

00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:25.800
way and so like all of the problematic shit that

00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:27.880
she's done just like lives rent free in my brain

00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:34.099
she does she is very She leans into being stupid,

00:41:34.300 --> 00:41:37.920
like a dumb blonde. I think that's where I have

00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.400
a hard time with her, because I'm like, I know

00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:41.679
you're not this dumb. I know you are not dumb.

00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.739
You can't be. And if you are, get off the internet.

00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.320
She just has very much rubbed me the wrong way.

00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.300
I really don't like when women lean into just

00:41:52.300 --> 00:41:57.599
being stupid. There are ways... Listen, I'm a

00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.360
little stupid. No, no, no, no. I was going to

00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.579
say, we know someone who... yeah that we used

00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:05.139
to work with that her entire personality was

00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:09.219
pink but it's and it's like the baby voice of

00:42:09.219 --> 00:42:12.940
it all yes i hate that oh my god now that you're

00:42:12.940 --> 00:42:15.940
saying this out loud that person and trisha paytas

00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:19.059
are incredibly similar yeah they kind of are

00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:21.920
okay so like one problematic thing she's done

00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:23.980
that's not very polarizing it's just like weird

00:42:23.980 --> 00:42:27.960
she pretended to be john benet ramsey the little

00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.639
girl who was murdered what yeah she like made

00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.820
a video pretending to be her it was very weird

00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:38.119
do people believe it no no no, no. Like, she

00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.739
pretended to be her and then pretended to, like,

00:42:40.780 --> 00:42:44.260
get beat up by her dad or something like that.

00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.219
It was so weird. It's so weird. And this is,

00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.699
like, at least 10 years ago. But, yeah. It's

00:42:51.699 --> 00:42:54.320
been weird from the start. And she was married

00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.159
at one point to, or not married, but, like, seriously

00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.800
dating Jason Nash, who's, like, affiliated with

00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.679
David Dobrik, and that's a whole thing. And,

00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:08.289
like, I don't, I don't know. I just, her fans

00:43:08.289 --> 00:43:11.449
I feel like just come out of the woodwork and

00:43:11.449 --> 00:43:15.610
I'm just I don't know like if you like it I guess

00:43:15.610 --> 00:43:19.389
go for it but I feel like a lot of people because

00:43:19.389 --> 00:43:23.860
I see young lots of people like younger than

00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:27.659
me being fans of trisha paytas and i'm like do

00:43:27.659 --> 00:43:31.559
you know what you're even subscribing to like

00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:35.019
are you even aware of what you're affiliating

00:43:35.019 --> 00:43:38.300
yourself with that's just how i feel anyway done

00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:40.500
complaining about trisha again congratulations

00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:42.619
on your son i'm sure you're a wonderful mother

00:43:42.619 --> 00:43:46.820
i'm more complaining that the public's perception

00:43:46.820 --> 00:43:51.019
of you does not feel accurate Do you think people

00:43:51.019 --> 00:43:53.940
actually believe that Trisha Paytas' babies are

00:43:53.940 --> 00:43:57.599
the second comings of whoever these people are?

00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.579
Because it was the Pope, it was Queen Elizabeth,

00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:04.840
and now it's Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah. And they're

00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:08.639
saying, because, and listen, the baby's name

00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.980
is Aquaman. I wasn't even going to say anything

00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:14.719
about the name. I'll let you have that one, Trisha.

00:44:17.550 --> 00:44:19.889
Honestly, it would have almost been better if

00:44:19.889 --> 00:44:22.550
the first name was Aqua, and then you gave him

00:44:22.550 --> 00:44:24.469
two middle names, and the first one was Man.

00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:27.409
I think Aqua's a really cool first name, if I'm

00:44:27.409 --> 00:44:28.829
being honest. That's what I'm saying. I would

00:44:28.829 --> 00:44:31.989
have liked that a lot better. Anyway, okay, so

00:44:31.989 --> 00:44:36.489
there's that. There is that. I'm complaining

00:44:36.489 --> 00:44:40.670
today, ladies and gentlemen, about the Heritage

00:44:40.670 --> 00:44:45.789
Foundation. So, and I, I eventually want to do

00:44:45.789 --> 00:44:48.389
a research or let's research mama on these fucks.

00:44:48.389 --> 00:44:53.130
But I saw on Tik TOK, the heritage foundation

00:44:53.130 --> 00:44:58.929
had been sharing out in there. I don't know if

00:44:58.929 --> 00:45:00.449
it was their newsletter or whatever. It was just,

00:45:00.469 --> 00:45:02.269
it was something that just popped up on my Tik

00:45:02.269 --> 00:45:05.010
TOK where they're saying here are five ways to

00:45:05.010 --> 00:45:07.989
what prove your, um, your like your estate plan.

00:45:08.630 --> 00:45:14.969
Yeah. And I was like, I want to know what these

00:45:14.969 --> 00:45:19.869
five woke proof ways are. So you if you Google

00:45:19.869 --> 00:45:23.389
it, it takes you to like it's not a paywall,

00:45:23.469 --> 00:45:24.650
but it's a thing where you have to subscribe

00:45:24.650 --> 00:45:27.570
to it. I had to create a burner email just to

00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:30.550
like get my hands on this thing. I've talked

00:45:30.550 --> 00:45:33.590
about how people are using the word woke now

00:45:33.590 --> 00:45:37.929
already. I'm already like angry. Are you reading

00:45:37.929 --> 00:45:41.449
it? yeah i mean i i've already read it before

00:45:41.449 --> 00:45:44.750
today but i'm like the way people are using woke

00:45:44.750 --> 00:45:50.190
is so backwards to how the term was like initiated

00:45:50.190 --> 00:45:53.210
yeah and so i feel like it's it's like just a

00:45:53.210 --> 00:45:57.829
buzzword it is that's all it is but the woke

00:45:57.829 --> 00:46:00.530
proof ways are basically like and i i i'm not

00:46:00.530 --> 00:46:03.730
even gonna open the the or like the little booklet

00:46:03.730 --> 00:46:07.880
they send out but basically from what i did read

00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:12.340
it was find the most racist lawyer you can find

00:46:12.340 --> 00:46:14.940
basically who is down with you being a racist

00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:19.260
and wouldn't you know what another one of the

00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:22.199
ways is to donate to the heritage foundation

00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.679
yeah keep the donor in a donor advice fund is

00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:31.000
what it says like go fuck yourself and here's

00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.340
i don't know how those work that's money you're

00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:36.780
not getting back you have to donate that money

00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:41.119
mama yes you have to donate that money yes so

00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.940
like and when you die you know what's woke not

00:46:43.940 --> 00:46:47.179
getting your inheritance well the donor advised

00:46:47.179 --> 00:46:51.719
fund thing like i as part of an estate plan i

00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:57.590
get it sure but it's like It should be last on

00:46:57.590 --> 00:46:59.989
your list, right? Like if you're me. It should

00:46:59.989 --> 00:47:02.130
be the very last thing that your money goes into.

00:47:02.289 --> 00:47:04.289
It's like if you have nowhere else to leave your

00:47:04.289 --> 00:47:07.130
money. Then of course donate it. But like shouldn't

00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:10.750
you make sure your children and people you loved

00:47:10.750 --> 00:47:13.090
are taken care of first? Not according to the

00:47:13.090 --> 00:47:15.969
Heritage Foundation. No. But this is the fucked

00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:19.889
up thing is what do you think people are using?

00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.219
for because I did digging on this. I went and

00:47:24.219 --> 00:47:27.239
I like actually did a little bit of Let's Research

00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:33.659
Mama and I found a subreddit and the subreddit

00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:38.420
pointed me to middle class finance where people

00:47:38.420 --> 00:47:41.139
talked about what they use inheritances for and

00:47:41.139 --> 00:47:43.800
let me just tell you when we're talking about

00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:48.769
inheritance people are not receiving millions

00:47:48.769 --> 00:47:50.909
and millions and millions of dollars in inheritances.

00:47:50.929 --> 00:47:54.190
Not the average person, no. It is so rare that

00:47:54.190 --> 00:47:57.210
that's happening. Right. We're not the Rothschilds.

00:47:57.210 --> 00:48:01.769
No. And so just a couple of examples. One user

00:48:01.769 --> 00:48:06.010
said he used $250 from his inheritance to buy

00:48:06.010 --> 00:48:09.010
a puppy that turned into 16 years of companionship.

00:48:09.110 --> 00:48:12.449
One user said, I received about $20 ,000 from

00:48:12.449 --> 00:48:14.369
my grandmother and it was the buffer that I needed

00:48:14.369 --> 00:48:17.480
to purchase a house. A lot of people said they

00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.679
cleared up debt. Several comments mentioned saving

00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:24.000
for college and investing for like rainy days

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.440
or whatever. And then some said I got nothing.

00:48:27.460 --> 00:48:36.340
And it motivated me to be self -made. And the

00:48:36.340 --> 00:48:39.880
fucked up thing is like you are so obsessed,

00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.329
Heritage Foundation, with this idea. That America

00:48:45.329 --> 00:48:49.730
needs to be straight white men with wives that

00:48:49.730 --> 00:48:52.809
are in the kitchen barefoot with a baby on their

00:48:52.809 --> 00:48:58.090
hip. And that is your ideal vision of the United

00:48:58.090 --> 00:49:03.309
States and furthermore, probably the world. And

00:49:03.309 --> 00:49:06.789
you are willing to say. To these people that

00:49:06.789 --> 00:49:09.929
actually subscribe to some some of your beliefs

00:49:09.929 --> 00:49:13.030
or all of them, whatever you need to after you

00:49:13.030 --> 00:49:17.289
die, after you are dead in the ground, your legacy

00:49:17.289 --> 00:49:21.389
needs to be as rotten as it can be. And to say,

00:49:21.409 --> 00:49:24.750
go fuck yourself to the kids that did not get

00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:26.769
on board with your fucking vision of the world.

00:49:26.789 --> 00:49:28.809
And you can go fuck yourself for that. Like that

00:49:28.809 --> 00:49:33.559
pisses me off. A hundred percent. So. A big lesson

00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.659
I learned from our time in finance is that you

00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:40.000
should never rely on an inheritance, right? Never.

00:49:40.059 --> 00:49:43.320
You should never rely on, oh, well, my grandpa's

00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:44.880
going to die one day and I'm going to get a million

00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.760
bucks. You should never rely on that. However,

00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:53.219
that doesn't mean that you should go about your

00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:58.340
life waiting to screw over your own family. Right.

00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.500
That's not what that means. While I say that

00:50:03.500 --> 00:50:06.579
out loud, you shouldn't be reliant on an inheritance.

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:12.409
However, no one's taking advantage of an inheritance.

00:50:12.949 --> 00:50:15.190
No. That's something you have a right to. It's

00:50:15.190 --> 00:50:17.250
not a privilege. It's a right. It was written

00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:20.550
down, intended for you. Right. You can't take

00:50:20.550 --> 00:50:23.530
advantage of that. So even if you get grandma's

00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:26.489
money and you decide to go to Bora Bora and have

00:50:26.489 --> 00:50:29.849
yourself a time, that's fine. Right. You're not

00:50:29.849 --> 00:50:33.269
taking advantage of your grandma. Well, and this

00:50:33.269 --> 00:50:37.760
is the other thing, too. Actually, I don't know

00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.460
if you are aware of this. If, God forbid, something

00:50:40.460 --> 00:50:43.260
happens to me, you, Jackie, and my brother get

00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:46.079
everything. It's divided up three ways between

00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.519
the three of you guys. That's just how it's written

00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.699
in my will. And if, God forbid, anything happens

00:50:53.699 --> 00:50:57.400
to Zachary before I'm gone, my niece and nephew

00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:02.320
get Zachary's share of everything. Yeah. let

00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.860
me just go on record right now and say i don't

00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:06.800
give a fuck what you do with the money i like

00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.599
it's not my money anymore i don't think anyone

00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:14.219
should yeah like okay the house that we're recording

00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:18.139
in right now is in jack's name right if he turns

00:51:18.139 --> 00:51:22.019
21 or whatever the age is where it turns completely

00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:26.219
into his and he decides to sell it so that he

00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:30.679
can fund some independently made movie or something

00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.880
that crashes and burns that is none of my business

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.480
i'll go watch the movie i like it's so weird

00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.019
like i don't know when we got to this age of

00:51:42.019 --> 00:51:45.619
giving people gifts or inheritance with strings

00:51:45.619 --> 00:51:48.219
attached with strings attached you don't get

00:51:48.219 --> 00:51:53.059
to say oh i got you this cool toy you can only

00:51:53.059 --> 00:51:57.809
play with it like this like that's so weird That's

00:51:57.809 --> 00:52:00.010
so weird. Right. And that's literally what the

00:52:00.010 --> 00:52:01.750
Heritage Foundation is encouraging people to

00:52:01.750 --> 00:52:04.789
do. It's saying, no, we'd rather you give money

00:52:04.789 --> 00:52:09.090
to us rather than giving money to your kids because

00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:10.989
you don't know what woke things they're going

00:52:10.989 --> 00:52:13.969
to use it for. Tell me what woke thing you're

00:52:13.969 --> 00:52:16.889
worried about. Are you worried that they're going

00:52:16.889 --> 00:52:21.090
to use the money to donate to Zoran Mamdani's

00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:24.250
election fund? By the way, with the donor advice

00:52:24.250 --> 00:52:26.489
fund, you could if you wanted to. You should.

00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:28.679
yeah i love that i don't know they're worried

00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.739
they're gonna get the kids are gonna get the

00:52:30.739 --> 00:52:34.860
money and transition into their real selves or

00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:39.500
but like lead happier lives in general the fact

00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:42.980
that they are so obsessed with being so afraid

00:52:42.980 --> 00:52:47.639
of the world it makes no fucking sense to me

00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.670
like these people are literally the authors of

00:52:51.670 --> 00:52:55.329
project 2025 that want to send america back to

00:52:55.329 --> 00:53:00.469
a place where people of color can't drink from

00:53:00.469 --> 00:53:03.670
the same water fountains as us and i'm just like

00:53:03.670 --> 00:53:09.630
what the fuck like why why why why why why are

00:53:09.630 --> 00:53:11.250
you so obsessed with the way people live their

00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:14.210
lives because they because those white men don't

00:53:14.210 --> 00:53:16.789
feel like they are winning anymore i don't fear

00:53:16.789 --> 00:53:19.429
is the answer but i don't understand why they

00:53:19.429 --> 00:53:22.030
feel like they need to win or why they can't

00:53:22.030 --> 00:53:24.849
find their wins within their own lives they need

00:53:24.849 --> 00:53:28.070
it handed to them but that's the thing is like

00:53:28.070 --> 00:53:30.829
i don't i don't like and we've talked about this

00:53:30.829 --> 00:53:34.090
before i don't like this idea that life is a

00:53:34.090 --> 00:53:38.820
zero -sum game yeah i if If I'm successful, you

00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:41.179
can't be. And if you're successful, I can't be.

00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:44.860
Like that makes no fucking sense to me because

00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:48.059
the whole idea of the American dream, like what

00:53:48.059 --> 00:53:50.340
it was all founded on is if you show up and you

00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:53.880
work hard and you do the right thing, everything's

00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.679
going to work out. Are you ready for reality

00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:01.630
roundup? I am. Let's do it. Okay. So we're talking

00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:05.130
about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion.

00:54:08.710 --> 00:54:13.530
So we open with a prayer led by Zach. And then

00:54:13.530 --> 00:54:16.510
the girls all start showing up. Whitney's lost

00:54:16.510 --> 00:54:20.309
a ton of weight. Yeah, I think she looks amazing.

00:54:20.489 --> 00:54:23.150
She looks incredible. She looks so good. She

00:54:23.150 --> 00:54:25.929
really does. I don't know how some people snap

00:54:25.929 --> 00:54:28.599
back like that. It's amazing. Yeah, she looks

00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:33.440
incredible. I guess it has been a significant

00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.599
amount of time since filming, but she looks amazing.

00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:41.519
Yeah. We find out that it was Dakota's first

00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:44.639
time wearing a suit, and I was not shocked to

00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:46.519
hear that in the least. Of course it is, Dakota.

00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.960
God, that's just great. And he was wearing a

00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.820
full -blown three -piece. Yeah, he did not look

00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:56.500
comfortable. He looked like if you put a suit

00:54:56.500 --> 00:55:00.610
on a pillow. Whitney FaceTimes Demi. We find

00:55:00.610 --> 00:55:02.789
out that Demi's not going to the reunion because

00:55:02.789 --> 00:55:05.489
she's going to Disneyland. Shocking, shocking,

00:55:05.550 --> 00:55:08.329
shocking. I don't buy for a second this whole

00:55:08.329 --> 00:55:12.269
story that they try to spin where she says she

00:55:12.269 --> 00:55:14.730
already had a family vacation planned out. No,

00:55:14.730 --> 00:55:16.849
you didn't. No, you didn't. You knew you were

00:55:16.849 --> 00:55:20.530
going to be torn to shreds and you are just holding

00:55:20.530 --> 00:55:24.849
on to that spot by the skin of your teeth. Listen.

00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.739
We'll get into it. We will get into this. So,

00:55:31.820 --> 00:55:36.260
the next thing. What I'm about to say, I have

00:55:36.260 --> 00:55:38.880
found, is a little bit controversial. Nick Viall

00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.980
is the one hosting, and I personally loved the

00:55:41.980 --> 00:55:45.639
choice because I think Nick does a really good

00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.500
job on his podcast, and I also think he is cute.

00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.190
He's hot. Yeah. I do think you could tell it

00:55:52.190 --> 00:55:54.809
was his first time hosting something like that,

00:55:54.809 --> 00:55:57.449
though. Oh, yeah, 100%. Like, I mean, he's not

00:55:57.449 --> 00:56:00.289
Andy Cohen. No, but I think one day he could

00:56:00.289 --> 00:56:03.849
be, you know. Sure. Like, if he kept in this

00:56:03.849 --> 00:56:06.150
kind of circuit and did more things like this,

00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:08.920
I can see him, like, really blowing up. yes because

00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.920
he's hot and he's funny and he's cute and he

00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:16.039
also like was very no bullshit he was like um

00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.800
the question that was asked was this well that

00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.159
and i think he does a very good job on his podcast

00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.179
of doing that of like he does hold people people

00:56:23.179 --> 00:56:25.900
to the fire like well when we start recapping

00:56:25.900 --> 00:56:27.780
real house as a salt lake city we'll get into

00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:34.940
him with monica garcia because that was a wild

00:56:34.940 --> 00:56:38.780
ride of an interview but Yeah, I think I like

00:56:38.780 --> 00:56:42.579
him. What's the controversy? People don't like

00:56:42.579 --> 00:56:46.840
him. For what? Because they say he is a fan.

00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.880
He favors some of the girls. And now that I've

00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.099
watched it a couple of times, I don't think he

00:56:55.099 --> 00:56:59.599
liked Whitney. No. I think he was a little harder

00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:04.969
on Whitney than... than she deserved. Not that

00:57:04.969 --> 00:57:07.050
she deserved. I think that he was not objective

00:57:07.050 --> 00:57:09.909
about it. I will say that. Can I just say Andy

00:57:09.909 --> 00:57:12.150
Cohen does the exact same thing? Oh, Andy Cohen

00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:15.829
is horrifically worse about it, I would argue.

00:57:16.170 --> 00:57:19.510
He's not objective ever. No, because he likes

00:57:19.510 --> 00:57:22.329
Giselle, he likes Bethany Frankel, he likes...

00:57:23.200 --> 00:57:26.679
He loves NeNe Leakes and those people do not

00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.559
get held to the fire when they deserve to be.

00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:31.960
No. And here's the thing. I don't think like

00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.880
I get why some people are saying are like calling

00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.760
him a fan and saying that that's. saying that

00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:42.719
in sort of a derogatory way, I think there's

00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.199
no one else I'd rather see host a reunion than

00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.579
someone who's watched the show and likes it and

00:57:47.579 --> 00:57:49.360
is passionate about it. You know what I mean?

00:57:49.619 --> 00:57:51.920
Did you ever watch the Real Housewives of Potomac

00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.159
reunion where Nicki Minaj came on for a part

00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.139
of the reunion? That's what I want. I want, if

00:57:57.139 --> 00:57:59.280
Andy Cohen's not going to host it, I want someone

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.699
who watches it, who has a good time watching

00:58:02.699 --> 00:58:04.619
it, who's going to kiki with them. That's what

00:58:04.619 --> 00:58:07.179
I want. And you can't watch a reality show like

00:58:07.179 --> 00:58:11.809
these. Mormon wives or housewives or any of them

00:58:11.809 --> 00:58:14.309
without having opinions. That's kind of the whole

00:58:14.309 --> 00:58:17.309
point. I agree. So anyway, I liked Nick Viall.

00:58:17.409 --> 00:58:19.730
I did too. I really liked him. But something

00:58:19.730 --> 00:58:22.329
I did pick up on almost immediately, they edited

00:58:22.329 --> 00:58:25.110
in a lot of his audio, like where they cut away

00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:27.289
from him and then like you can hear that it just

00:58:27.289 --> 00:58:29.590
sounds a little bit different. Yeah. And I was

00:58:29.590 --> 00:58:34.289
like... Yeah. I don't know how many times Hulu

00:58:34.289 --> 00:58:37.510
has done a reunion like that. Do they have another

00:58:37.510 --> 00:58:39.570
reality show that would be a reunion like that?

00:58:39.570 --> 00:58:41.250
They have Vanderpump Villa, and I think they

00:58:41.250 --> 00:58:44.789
had a reunion. Oh, okay. But that's, like, one.

00:58:45.389 --> 00:58:48.610
Yeah, I don't know. And they did the Kardashians,

00:58:48.610 --> 00:58:51.869
but, like, whatever. That's their family, you

00:58:51.869 --> 00:58:54.469
know? They came into that with a script. Right.

00:58:54.809 --> 00:58:58.429
Whatever. And then Jen and Zach are backstage

00:58:58.429 --> 00:59:01.710
for probably the first half of the reunion. Yeah.

00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:08.739
Something that genuinely upset me was the child's

00:59:08.739 --> 00:59:12.500
voice that Jen was putting on the entire time

00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:15.300
they were talking. Yeah, I felt like she was

00:59:15.300 --> 00:59:19.119
really trying to like portray a character. And

00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.500
I also think she was just like, I don't know.

00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.360
I think she knew she caught a lot of heat this

00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.960
season. And so she was just trying to be not

00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.690
objective, but like just likable. You know what

00:59:31.690 --> 00:59:33.829
I mean? I think she was trying to do the cutesy,

00:59:33.869 --> 00:59:36.030
like, oh, I'm a fan, too. Oh, I can't believe

00:59:36.030 --> 00:59:40.690
she did that. But, like, it was the voice behind

00:59:40.690 --> 00:59:42.570
it. Because I was like, that's not your voice.

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:44.050
That's not how you talk. We've heard you talk

00:59:44.050 --> 00:59:46.349
for two years. This is not how you talk in that

00:59:46.349 --> 00:59:50.329
box. Did you ever watch RuPaul's Drag Race? Yeah.

00:59:50.610 --> 00:59:53.190
Do you remember the Bianca Del Rio season with,

00:59:53.269 --> 00:59:57.090
like, Adore Delano? Yeah. Where there was a...

00:59:57.420 --> 01:00:00.739
in Untucked where Adore Delano is fighting with

01:00:00.739 --> 01:00:02.960
Laganja Estranja and she goes, this is not how

01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.559
you talk. And Adore was bothered about that.

01:00:06.659 --> 01:00:10.099
That's how I felt. Yeah, I don't know. I think

01:00:10.099 --> 01:00:14.019
she's just like... She seems like she's very

01:00:14.019 --> 01:00:17.980
uncomfortable in herself. Yeah. And that's what

01:00:17.980 --> 01:00:24.760
is so bothersome. Just own it. We unpack a little

01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:28.880
bit of the Marciano meetup and we start literally

01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.699
where we left off with the conversation between

01:00:30.699 --> 01:00:36.380
Marciano and Layla. And the girls kind of recap

01:00:36.380 --> 01:00:38.699
what happened in Italy and how Demi was really

01:00:38.699 --> 01:00:42.159
flirty with Marciano, which, by the way, I would

01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.079
have been as flirty as the day is long with that

01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:51.960
man. I love a hot alcoholic. Yeah. Jesse pulls

01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.199
out screenshots from text conversations between

01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.860
Demi and Marciano where she's comparing oysters

01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:04.039
to swallowing cum, and I was like... It was obviously

01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.440
flirty, but also, Demi, you're a weirdo. It was

01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:12.380
weird, and... Oh, God. I don't know. But we cut

01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:15.059
to Jen and Zach where he has to explain that

01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:19.199
the clam emoji might mean a vagina. And Jen's

01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.619
reaction made me wish she was still at home in

01:01:21.619 --> 01:01:26.920
the bed. Oh, my God. Like the, oh, my God. Like,

01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:31.699
stop. Shut the fuck up. Like, I don't know. I

01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:35.389
don't know. It's so weird because. aren't you

01:01:35.389 --> 01:01:38.469
the one that was being threatened with a cease

01:01:38.469 --> 01:01:40.650
and desist about talking about what happened

01:01:40.650 --> 01:01:42.610
and now it's like you don't have a story at all

01:01:42.610 --> 01:01:44.809
like you're just oh yeah that was jen wasn't

01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:48.329
it yeah yeah oh i forgot about that what i don't

01:01:48.329 --> 01:01:50.909
it was very like confusing the way she was acting

01:01:50.909 --> 01:01:54.349
yes and then this whole conversation turns into

01:01:54.349 --> 01:01:56.869
revisiting how demon or demi is a little demon

01:01:56.869 --> 01:02:00.369
monster and whitney starts to defend her of course

01:02:00.369 --> 01:02:04.099
because i think We'll get into it. I think the

01:02:04.099 --> 01:02:07.199
problem is that she told Demi on that FaceTime

01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.280
call where Demi was, like, going to Disney World

01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.360
or Disneyland or whatever and was like, no, I'll

01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.940
stand up for you at the reunion, but, like, some

01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:20.639
things I think you'll just have to say. I think

01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:24.599
she messed up by telling Demi, I'll stand up

01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:26.920
for you at the reunion, and she knows if she

01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.320
didn't say anything, Demi would have her head.

01:02:29.710 --> 01:02:31.849
I think she should have taken the Layla approach

01:02:31.849 --> 01:02:34.670
where Layla took with Taylor where she says,

01:02:34.789 --> 01:02:36.269
yeah, I'll stand up for you and then just starts

01:02:36.269 --> 01:02:38.469
disassociating. I don't think Demi would respond

01:02:38.469 --> 01:02:42.289
like Taylor. I think Demi would like air everything

01:02:42.289 --> 01:02:45.630
Whitney has ever done out. Demi would make Whitney's

01:02:45.630 --> 01:02:47.449
life a living hell. That's what I'm saying. 100%,

01:02:47.449 --> 01:02:52.130
yes. I think she kind of trapped herself into

01:02:52.130 --> 01:02:55.730
having to defend Demi, which she shouldn't have

01:02:55.730 --> 01:02:57.690
done. You shouldn't have even called her. I don't

01:02:57.690 --> 01:02:59.730
know why you're friends with her. Anyway. No.

01:03:01.130 --> 01:03:03.150
Nick calls out that Jessie isn't wearing her

01:03:03.150 --> 01:03:05.050
wedding ring, and she talks about how she and

01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:06.769
Jordan are working through a lot of hard things

01:03:06.769 --> 01:03:15.500
right now. So here's the thing. I don't like

01:03:15.500 --> 01:03:19.320
this very specific plot point right here because

01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.519
Nick goes, did you and Marciano have sex? Jesse

01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.579
says that everything gets unpacked in season

01:03:25.579 --> 01:03:27.519
three and it's not what everyone thinks. That

01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:29.980
is not what a reunion is for. You shouldn't have

01:03:29.980 --> 01:03:33.059
said a fucking word about it. Hulu is weird for

01:03:33.059 --> 01:03:37.420
that. I think it's on Hulu, honestly, because

01:03:37.420 --> 01:03:41.809
never. in a housewives reunion never when i've

01:03:41.809 --> 01:03:44.809
seen the kardashians have a reunion never ever

01:03:44.809 --> 01:03:48.150
on any other reality show has the answer ever

01:03:48.150 --> 01:03:51.130
been i can't talk about that because it's in

01:03:51.130 --> 01:03:53.909
the next season it has on one reunion and i will

01:03:53.909 --> 01:03:59.250
tell you this is why bravo redid entirely the

01:03:59.250 --> 01:04:01.730
way they started filming housewives was in new

01:04:01.730 --> 01:04:03.730
jersey i think it was season two or season three

01:04:03.730 --> 01:04:06.110
it was season two like going into season three

01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:09.090
because they were doing the reunion and they

01:04:09.090 --> 01:04:11.969
had already started filming season three during

01:04:11.969 --> 01:04:14.329
the season two reunion and and that's a problem

01:04:14.329 --> 01:04:18.710
yes you need to fix that and they like like Teresa

01:04:18.710 --> 01:04:21.889
and I think Caroline were all talking about like

01:04:21.889 --> 01:04:24.230
like oh we can't talk about that because it's

01:04:24.230 --> 01:04:26.610
in season three and like the producers were like

01:04:26.610 --> 01:04:30.050
never again like and so that is a crock of bullshit

01:04:30.050 --> 01:04:33.550
but also I don't like the way they did this where

01:04:33.550 --> 01:04:35.110
like did they did they think they weren't gonna

01:04:35.110 --> 01:04:38.849
get picked back up and like I I don't like I

01:04:38.849 --> 01:04:42.070
didn't like it at all and I can understand the

01:04:42.070 --> 01:04:44.670
perspective of like well we don't want to miss

01:04:44.670 --> 01:04:48.139
anything Story wise. And so we're just going

01:04:48.139 --> 01:04:51.900
to keep filming for season three. But like, that's

01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:55.840
just not how it works on TV. Mama, you are going

01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:58.460
to miss some stuff that gets aired out at the

01:04:58.460 --> 01:05:00.679
reunion. And that's what people tune into fucking

01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.000
reunions for. That's it's that. And it's also.

01:05:06.489 --> 01:05:09.070
what it's weird to me because they've taken producers

01:05:09.070 --> 01:05:13.690
from bravo like bravo producers left bravo to

01:05:13.690 --> 01:05:16.570
come to hulu to produce secret lives and mormon

01:05:16.570 --> 01:05:20.090
lives they know how this works so why do they

01:05:20.090 --> 01:05:23.550
do that but like but also ostensibly the entire

01:05:23.550 --> 01:05:25.590
third season's already been filmed because they

01:05:25.590 --> 01:05:29.150
like it's in the can because they had previews

01:05:29.150 --> 01:05:31.449
of it at the end of the episode so i i guess

01:05:31.449 --> 01:05:33.710
i don't understand what they're saving i don't

01:05:33.710 --> 01:05:36.349
know like i I'm interested to see what happens,

01:05:36.510 --> 01:05:39.250
but if it turns out to be one of these things

01:05:39.250 --> 01:05:41.289
where it's not that interesting, I will be pissed

01:05:41.289 --> 01:05:48.769
off. What I do believe is that Jesse probably

01:05:48.769 --> 01:05:53.110
went a little too far when it came to flirting

01:05:53.110 --> 01:05:54.869
with Marciano. I don't believe they hooked up.

01:05:55.050 --> 01:05:57.110
I think they made out. Maybe. I believe that

01:05:57.110 --> 01:06:01.030
rumor that they were going out to bars and that

01:06:01.030 --> 01:06:04.059
people saw them making out. I think that happened.

01:06:04.179 --> 01:06:07.199
That probably happened. I'll buy that. And I

01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:10.780
think that Jordan probably, and rightfully so,

01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:12.420
I think Jordan probably had a hard time with

01:06:12.420 --> 01:06:15.539
that. I mean, yeah, you're married. Like, yeah.

01:06:16.340 --> 01:06:19.380
And I think that's kind of what they're unpacking.

01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:21.619
I don't think that any of this is being put on

01:06:21.619 --> 01:06:30.119
for show, but I do believe that Demi conspired

01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.440
with Marciano. Because let me tell you something

01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:34.679
about Marciano. That is a little boy who... That

01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:36.760
is Jax Taylor made over. That is a little boy

01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:39.480
who wants to be on TV. Oh, yeah. And he will

01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:44.159
follow directions from anybody. I believe if

01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.980
you bat your eyelashes at Marciano and say, you

01:06:47.980 --> 01:06:51.119
need to go make out with Jesse, he will do that.

01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.960
We jump into some of the fights that we had over

01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:01.190
the season. And then Taylor... dives into mom

01:07:01.190 --> 01:07:03.349
talk and how it started and how it's evolved

01:07:03.349 --> 01:07:08.469
and this kind of evolves into taylor revisiting

01:07:08.469 --> 01:07:11.210
the swinger scandal and going public with all

01:07:11.210 --> 01:07:15.670
of it when are we gonna drop that by the way

01:07:15.670 --> 01:07:18.849
i'm so tired of hearing about it we're never

01:07:18.849 --> 01:07:21.429
gonna get the full truth from any side of the

01:07:21.429 --> 01:07:23.750
situation everybody swears they've already given

01:07:23.750 --> 01:07:27.920
us the full truth let's move on And I, like,

01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:30.659
yeah, like, that was, like, the founding thing

01:07:30.659 --> 01:07:34.820
of what got you on TV. Sure, but, like... We're

01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:37.900
two seasons in now. Yeah. Drop it. Yeah, I agree.

01:07:38.099 --> 01:07:40.619
Ugh. Because, like, it would be like making The

01:07:40.619 --> 01:07:42.480
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City all about Jen

01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.500
Shaw getting arrested. Like, that's... Right,

01:07:44.539 --> 01:07:46.719
like, if they never would have let it go. Right.

01:07:46.780 --> 01:07:50.860
But to be fair, I do think that they didn't have

01:07:50.860 --> 01:07:53.480
a reunion for season one, so I think this is

01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:57.400
kind of... the reunion for season one and two

01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:00.039
where like it's like how did we get here so like

01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:02.139
i just don't need to hear about the swinging

01:08:02.139 --> 01:08:04.900
thing anymore yeah we're not gonna you're just

01:08:04.900 --> 01:08:07.340
like using the same words over and over in a

01:08:07.340 --> 01:08:12.420
different order right um but i guess whitney

01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:15.360
was the first one to ask to hear taylor's side

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:19.239
of the story and i think that because of that

01:08:20.109 --> 01:08:22.869
taylor will always feel like some level of loyalty

01:08:22.869 --> 01:08:25.350
or like have a soft spot for whitney because

01:08:25.350 --> 01:08:29.989
of that i just don't think that earns you a lifetime

01:08:29.989 --> 01:08:33.189
of loyalty but maybe that's i think that's something

01:08:33.189 --> 01:08:36.729
i appreciate about taylor where like yeah she's

01:08:36.729 --> 01:08:38.489
good to the people that were good to her she

01:08:38.489 --> 01:08:40.850
is good at remembering the good and not just

01:08:40.850 --> 01:08:45.359
the bad and people which i respect but like I

01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.100
don't know. I thought the whole thing was kind

01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:50.979
of... It happened years ago now. Like, four years

01:08:50.979 --> 01:08:55.619
ago. More than that. It was, like, 2020. Yeah.

01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:58.779
Yeah, so let's say five years ago. It's like,

01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:02.760
Whitney has been such a monster since then that,

01:09:02.779 --> 01:09:06.279
like... I don't know. Maybe I just have, like,

01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:09.880
short -term, long -term memory loss and I wouldn't

01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:14.710
feel that way. But, like... I don't know. I don't

01:09:14.710 --> 01:09:16.189
know. I think they should be over all of it,

01:09:16.270 --> 01:09:19.770
but that's just me. They talk a little bit about

01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:22.710
the Mormon community not welcoming mom talk.

01:09:22.970 --> 01:09:25.989
And this one I thought was wild, but I guess

01:09:25.989 --> 01:09:29.369
there was pushback from the community about the

01:09:29.369 --> 01:09:31.270
girls wearing tank tops because they couldn't

01:09:31.270 --> 01:09:34.909
wear their temple garments under that. And I

01:09:34.909 --> 01:09:37.270
was like, that's what you care about? Well, it's

01:09:37.270 --> 01:09:39.390
just evidence that they're not wearing their

01:09:39.390 --> 01:09:41.449
garments, right? Because if they were, you would

01:09:41.449 --> 01:09:45.729
see them under a tank top. So it's like, I don't

01:09:45.729 --> 01:09:48.890
know. I think it's very like, well, how Mormon

01:09:48.890 --> 01:09:52.149
are you? And I think every religion has that

01:09:52.149 --> 01:09:55.989
to some degree. Well, we'll dive into that one

01:09:55.989 --> 01:10:00.770
day. But that that was insane to me that like,

01:10:00.770 --> 01:10:04.149
that's what you're focusing on. I mean, because

01:10:04.149 --> 01:10:06.430
I think their whole thing is like proving that

01:10:06.430 --> 01:10:10.140
they're. not that the wives right the people

01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:12.359
on the show mom talk that they're not like really

01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.659
mormon or they're redefining what it is to be

01:10:15.659 --> 01:10:20.819
mormon yeah right so like maybe i don't know

01:10:20.819 --> 01:10:23.939
but i was just like jesus christ like an organized

01:10:23.939 --> 01:10:27.180
religion is but i also think it like part of

01:10:27.180 --> 01:10:28.880
that comes back to like my thing with religion

01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.899
and i'm just like oh my god you're obsessed with

01:10:30.899 --> 01:10:33.020
what underwear people are wearing like that's

01:10:33.020 --> 01:10:36.039
yeah insane to me well i mean garments go like

01:10:36.430 --> 01:10:39.529
over it's like a cap sleeve it's but it's like

01:10:39.529 --> 01:10:43.210
a like a thing you wear under your clothes right

01:10:43.210 --> 01:10:45.390
the undergarment or whatever yeah i'm just like

01:10:45.390 --> 01:10:49.430
shut up i know well i don't know i have a hard

01:10:49.430 --> 01:10:51.729
time with it because how is that different from

01:10:51.729 --> 01:10:56.810
like a hijab which i would never say like oh

01:10:56.810 --> 01:11:00.210
you shouldn't like i don't know okay that's fair

01:11:00.210 --> 01:11:03.199
that's fair yeah i don't know i feel like as

01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:05.119
a not religious person who didn't grow up in

01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:08.260
the church i feel very conflicted about all of

01:11:08.260 --> 01:11:13.659
it i don't know that's fair yeah i i guess like

01:11:13.659 --> 01:11:15.779
in in my mind those like those two things are

01:11:15.779 --> 01:11:18.100
not the same thing but like no comparatively

01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:20.460
well they do different things right like the

01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:23.600
mormon garments go under your clothes and so

01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.600
it's almost like what are you trying to prove

01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:30.130
and whereas like a hijab they're like Women shouldn't

01:11:30.130 --> 01:11:32.789
show their hair. So they're doing two different

01:11:32.789 --> 01:11:35.850
things. Okay. Yeah, I guess I just never thought

01:11:35.850 --> 01:11:38.550
about it that way. I don't know. I don't know.

01:11:38.569 --> 01:11:41.250
I think the whole thing is very weird. I think

01:11:41.250 --> 01:11:43.729
it's weird that anyone has to prove their religion

01:11:43.729 --> 01:11:46.670
to other people in the religion at all. I think

01:11:46.670 --> 01:11:48.850
it's strange. Don't get me started on that because

01:11:48.850 --> 01:11:54.079
I will never shut up about it. The girls laugh

01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:56.520
about how cringy it was at the very beginning.

01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.020
They talk about how they can't even go back and

01:11:59.020 --> 01:12:01.100
watch some of the videos. I feel like all of

01:12:01.100 --> 01:12:03.439
TikTok was so cringy at that time. Oh, yeah.

01:12:03.500 --> 01:12:06.920
I think part of it still is. Oh, for sure. I

01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:09.579
mean, there are still people dancing in the rain

01:12:09.579 --> 01:12:13.720
and doing all kinds of weird shit. To be cringe

01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.699
is to be free. Yeah, I'm like, if you want to

01:12:15.699 --> 01:12:18.000
go out and dance, go out and fucking dance, man.

01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:21.119
I don't care. Like, we're two idiots on the microphone

01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:26.100
being idiots. Yeah, what? Like, we're, do you

01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:29.119
want to, I have not, we recorded an episode in

01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:31.640
the very, very, very beginning of this that never

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.640
saw the light of day. And I can't go back and

01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:38.069
listen to that because I'm just like. It is different

01:12:38.069 --> 01:12:42.029
when it's yourself. Yeah. For sure. I'm like,

01:12:42.170 --> 01:12:45.529
be cringy. I think everyone should be cringe.

01:12:45.829 --> 01:12:48.729
I think the realist version of everyone is a

01:12:48.729 --> 01:12:51.109
little bit cringy. Oh, yeah. But I will say,

01:12:51.310 --> 01:12:53.189
they're braver than we were because they put

01:12:53.189 --> 01:12:58.010
it out on the internet. 100%. episode 0001 is

01:12:58.010 --> 01:13:01.489
never seeing the light of day right right well

01:13:01.489 --> 01:13:04.470
i remember the old videos of taylor saying she

01:13:04.470 --> 01:13:07.569
was 50 years old i'm sure she's embarrassed about

01:13:07.569 --> 01:13:12.489
that now i think i still i totally forgot about

01:13:12.489 --> 01:13:15.649
that i don't know if she like Taylor doesn't

01:13:15.649 --> 01:13:17.829
have that much shame, which I love about her,

01:13:17.869 --> 01:13:20.630
by the way. Oh, I love. I love it. She's very

01:13:20.630 --> 01:13:22.630
shameless. She is. I don't know that she would

01:13:22.630 --> 01:13:25.109
be embarrassed about that. But I remember the

01:13:25.109 --> 01:13:32.529
North remembers. Layla talks about how this whole

01:13:32.529 --> 01:13:34.550
thing became real for her when she got her first

01:13:34.550 --> 01:13:37.229
big check from a brand deal. And I guess I never

01:13:37.229 --> 01:13:39.510
considered this about Layla or any of the girls

01:13:39.510 --> 01:13:41.670
on the show. Because when you think about people

01:13:41.670 --> 01:13:44.420
coming on to these shows, you... think of them

01:13:44.420 --> 01:13:46.939
coming from a place of wealth already but she

01:13:46.939 --> 01:13:48.619
talks about how she was a struggling mom and

01:13:48.619 --> 01:13:50.739
she literally had to pick between her kids eating

01:13:50.739 --> 01:13:53.800
or her eating and she yeah i mean she always

01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:57.319
picked her kids to eat obviously yeah but it

01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:01.079
reminds me a lot of um and this she's a problematic

01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:04.760
individual now but jk rowling when she did her

01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:07.779
first interview on oprah and she talked about

01:14:07.779 --> 01:14:11.939
how because oprah said how did you know when

01:14:11.939 --> 01:14:14.920
you were wealthy and she said i think she said

01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:18.699
something like i was at the store and i was picking

01:14:18.699 --> 01:14:21.039
between chocolate milk and white milk for my

01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:25.460
kids and i realized i didn't have to choose and

01:14:25.460 --> 01:14:28.220
like yeah say what you will about the individual

01:14:28.220 --> 01:14:31.720
and it there's room for criticism for jk rowling

01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:33.260
for everything that she's done but i think that

01:14:33.260 --> 01:14:36.720
is a very cool thing to get to that point and

01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:39.600
be able to provide for your kids i think that's

01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:41.930
incredible so like i would i thought that was

01:14:41.930 --> 01:14:43.829
really fucking cool for leila where she talked

01:14:43.829 --> 01:14:46.510
about like struggling in a world that's so hard

01:14:46.510 --> 01:14:51.510
to struggle in and she made it i think that's

01:14:51.510 --> 01:14:53.630
really fucking cool we'll have to talk about

01:14:53.630 --> 01:14:57.289
that one day about how it's a humiliation ritual

01:14:57.289 --> 01:15:00.109
to struggle in today's world instead of people

01:15:00.109 --> 01:15:02.590
wanting to pick you up they want to laugh at

01:15:02.590 --> 01:15:10.829
you um and then we find out leila finally We

01:15:10.829 --> 01:15:14.109
find out Layla finally had an orgasm with her

01:15:14.109 --> 01:15:17.289
vibrator. And I think it's so weird to say this

01:15:17.289 --> 01:15:21.090
out loud, but I'm so happy for her. I'm so happy

01:15:21.090 --> 01:15:26.029
that she finally, finally, finally made it happen.

01:15:26.130 --> 01:15:29.430
And I love that for her. Well, like, aside from

01:15:29.430 --> 01:15:32.590
the orgasm itself, I think it... I think she's

01:15:32.590 --> 01:15:34.449
like coming into her own a little bit. She seems

01:15:34.449 --> 01:15:36.750
a little more. Growing into herself you mean.

01:15:36.909 --> 01:15:39.430
Confident and comfortable. Yeah. So proud of

01:15:39.430 --> 01:15:43.369
her for that. She's like. Yeah. I don't know.

01:15:43.449 --> 01:15:46.750
I think it's like it shows that she's like letting

01:15:46.750 --> 01:15:51.989
herself live a little more. Yeah. Yeah. I think

01:15:51.989 --> 01:15:55.090
yeah that's a really good way to put it. And

01:15:55.090 --> 01:15:56.829
on the note of the vibrator thing, Nick says

01:15:56.829 --> 01:15:59.010
that all men need to learn that every Batman

01:15:59.010 --> 01:16:02.350
needs a Robin. And I feel like... He's sexy for

01:16:02.350 --> 01:16:05.390
that. Yeah. And I was like, that's... Like, it

01:16:05.390 --> 01:16:07.470
takes a guy that's, like, secure as fuck to say

01:16:07.470 --> 01:16:09.770
that. Like, that's really cool. A hundred percent.

01:16:09.810 --> 01:16:12.350
Do you know how many... He's straight, right?

01:16:12.529 --> 01:16:14.329
Yeah. Yeah. Which I hate. Do you know how many

01:16:14.329 --> 01:16:17.430
straight guys are like, I don't want to see that

01:16:17.430 --> 01:16:19.729
anywhere. You don't need that if you got me.

01:16:19.869 --> 01:16:22.369
Shut up. Type of thing. Shut up. Like, come on.

01:16:22.550 --> 01:16:27.420
Shut up. so yeah he's hot for that um and then

01:16:27.420 --> 01:16:29.739
dear listener full disclosure this is where the

01:16:29.739 --> 01:16:32.300
notes start to get a little i think i was like

01:16:32.300 --> 01:16:34.060
i was falling asleep or something when i was

01:16:34.060 --> 01:16:35.880
watching this so like the notes just kind of

01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:41.420
cut off but we get into um whitney's journey

01:16:41.420 --> 01:16:45.520
back into mom talk so nick asked michaela why

01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.460
she hates whitney so much and michaela says that

01:16:48.460 --> 01:16:51.340
she doesn't hate whitney and i like i remember

01:16:51.340 --> 01:16:55.899
thinking that was literally your only storyline

01:16:55.899 --> 01:16:57.739
this season. Like, I don't remember her talking

01:16:57.739 --> 01:16:59.199
about anything other than her, like, getting

01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.800
pregnant. But I don't remember her talking about

01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:04.260
anything else but hating Whitney and how she

01:17:04.260 --> 01:17:05.479
doesn't think she deserves to be back in the

01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:10.119
group. And this, like, it was wild to me. Yeah,

01:17:10.180 --> 01:17:13.340
I don't know why she said that. I mean, maybe

01:17:13.340 --> 01:17:17.140
because, like, hate is a very strong word. I

01:17:17.140 --> 01:17:21.149
don't know. But one thing I will give Michaela,

01:17:21.170 --> 01:17:23.029
she does say that Whitney has a hard time seeing

01:17:23.029 --> 01:17:25.789
when she's the problem. And I do think that that

01:17:25.789 --> 01:17:30.369
is true. Yeah. I think if she had led with that

01:17:30.369 --> 01:17:33.149
from the beginning, I think we'd be in a very

01:17:33.149 --> 01:17:35.890
different place. But what I will say about Michaela,

01:17:35.970 --> 01:17:41.770
like, given the entire season and given, like...

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.180
Everything about her. I don't think I dislike

01:17:44.180 --> 01:17:46.539
Michaela as much as I thought I did. I had a

01:17:46.539 --> 01:17:48.979
hard time with her this season, but I came a

01:17:48.979 --> 01:17:51.739
long way with her. I like her now. I like her.

01:17:51.819 --> 01:17:55.520
I just... As much as she can point out that Whitney

01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.460
doesn't realize when she's the problem, Michaela

01:17:58.460 --> 01:18:00.399
doesn't realize when she's the drama either.

01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:07.180
But that's fine. But they talk about when they

01:18:07.180 --> 01:18:09.260
were all in Scottsdale and Whitney was like...

01:18:09.470 --> 01:18:11.729
in that confessional going oh let's shift focus

01:18:11.729 --> 01:18:15.010
for me and turn the turn to the drama where it's

01:18:15.010 --> 01:18:20.270
between demi and jen and like whatever and i

01:18:20.270 --> 01:18:22.210
i guess like i don't know how we made the jump

01:18:22.210 --> 01:18:25.189
well i i can see from whitney's perspective what

01:18:25.189 --> 01:18:30.920
he calls mikaela a bully and I'm sorry but it's

01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:34.079
so the pot calling the kettle black yeah I'm

01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:36.600
just like babe we've all done a little bit of

01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.779
bullying in our lives like maybe and you just

01:18:38.779 --> 01:18:41.640
did it last season on this fucking show like

01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:47.640
come on so whatever whatever and then so like

01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:49.800
that's this that is fully like where my notes

01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:51.920
leave off I will say a couple of other things

01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:57.000
that I do vividly recall from the reunion um

01:18:59.289 --> 01:19:03.630
when connor came on oh there's so much before

01:19:03.630 --> 01:19:06.109
that oh well then okay you get into your part

01:19:06.109 --> 01:19:07.329
because i want to talk about the connor thing

01:19:07.329 --> 01:19:10.569
because i thought like yeah it was very heartwarming

01:19:10.569 --> 01:19:13.390
go on to your thing um so after that is when

01:19:13.390 --> 01:19:19.869
we get our half -assed clip from demi oh where

01:19:19.869 --> 01:19:22.510
she's yeah okay yeah she did the interview with

01:19:22.510 --> 01:19:24.810
nick lyle right she does her little interview

01:19:24.810 --> 01:19:29.479
and she's talking about She's not there because

01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:31.680
she already planned a Disneyland trip, which

01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:37.539
again, I think is bullshit. She says she knows

01:19:37.539 --> 01:19:39.180
that everyone's going to think she's running

01:19:39.180 --> 01:19:42.140
away from something, but I swear I'm not. Can

01:19:42.140 --> 01:19:44.560
I tell you something that I do know about these

01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:50.380
productions? Mm -hmm. These are all filmed on

01:19:50.380 --> 01:19:55.420
a soundstage. Yeah. They're booked months in

01:19:55.420 --> 01:19:59.829
advance. You have call sheets. You have production

01:19:59.829 --> 01:20:05.390
schedules. You have entire groups of people where

01:20:05.390 --> 01:20:08.489
their only job is the logistics of making this

01:20:08.489 --> 01:20:11.770
reunion happen. 100%. And you're going to tell

01:20:11.770 --> 01:20:16.170
me. They somehow didn't find out about it. I

01:20:16.170 --> 01:20:20.569
had no idea when this was happening. And we just

01:20:20.569 --> 01:20:23.010
happened to have a Disneyland trip planned on

01:20:23.010 --> 01:20:27.739
the same day. You are a liar. Yeah, so then she

01:20:27.739 --> 01:20:32.779
goes on to double down on calling Jen's crying

01:20:32.779 --> 01:20:39.060
apology video to the group calculated and disingenuous

01:20:39.060 --> 01:20:42.699
and it was suspect timing and all of that. She

01:20:42.699 --> 01:20:47.260
also says in that interview that Jen got pregnant

01:20:47.260 --> 01:20:49.220
and that seemed to be a turning point for her

01:20:49.220 --> 01:20:51.779
and almost a reason to remove herself from mom

01:20:51.779 --> 01:20:58.380
talk. No. Girl, you called her out for being

01:20:58.380 --> 01:21:02.800
a liar. Did you forget that? Far be it from me

01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.020
to ever be on Jen's side about anything this

01:21:07.020 --> 01:21:14.000
season. Because if Jen has zero haters on this

01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.859
earth based on this season, I am dead. Right.

01:21:17.699 --> 01:21:23.739
That being said, we saw... And I can objectively

01:21:23.739 --> 01:21:28.420
say we saw a woman who was broken. She was, granted,

01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:31.699
was part of that probably her own fault. Yeah.

01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:35.260
Leading up to before she found out she was pregnant,

01:21:35.420 --> 01:21:39.739
she had been sneaky and lying. Yes. And all of

01:21:39.739 --> 01:21:41.920
that. But she was in a dark place and she found

01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.020
it within herself to apologize to you. And the

01:21:45.020 --> 01:21:48.500
way Demi cannot accept an apology from anyone

01:21:48.500 --> 01:21:51.380
for anything really rubs me the wrong way. And

01:21:51.380 --> 01:21:53.500
that's exactly where I was going with it was

01:21:53.500 --> 01:22:01.789
you genuinely just cannot accept. someone and

01:22:01.789 --> 01:22:04.489
meet them where they're at. Because I think what

01:22:04.489 --> 01:22:08.729
I will give Jen is that when she did the apology

01:22:08.729 --> 01:22:11.350
and she said, I think that I've been doing a

01:22:11.350 --> 01:22:13.310
lot of work on myself and I've realized that

01:22:13.310 --> 01:22:15.609
I am not in a good space right now and I think

01:22:15.609 --> 01:22:17.510
that's why I've hurt other people, she started

01:22:17.510 --> 01:22:24.630
to get a pass from me. Yeah. Anyway. From then

01:22:24.630 --> 01:22:28.710
on, it's... I mean, it's not really that interesting.

01:22:28.789 --> 01:22:34.640
It's... Zach defending himself and saying...

01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:38.020
But I felt like he really kept his composure

01:22:38.020 --> 01:22:41.479
for it. Zach is Jen's husband, for those of you

01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.500
who are not following along. The weird little

01:22:44.500 --> 01:22:46.960
blonde one. He really kept his composure and

01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:50.539
he was like, obviously Demi and Brett have different

01:22:50.539 --> 01:22:54.680
boundaries in their marriage than Jen and I do.

01:22:54.779 --> 01:22:59.060
That was basically his whole point. Sure. Which...

01:22:59.420 --> 01:23:04.520
whatever whatever moving on um skipping over

01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:09.180
the sneak peek into season three because i just

01:23:09.180 --> 01:23:15.560
whatever then the husbands are out yes right

01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:18.039
yes and that's when we get to the connor thing

01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:22.020
so connor opens up about how he was assaulted

01:23:22.020 --> 01:23:26.420
when he was a kid and a couple things about this

01:23:26.420 --> 01:23:31.920
i think that When you are a man in a religion

01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:36.659
like Mormonism, like Christianity, like certain

01:23:36.659 --> 01:23:45.159
subsects. What was it? Sects. Sects? S -E -C

01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:50.460
-T -S. That's not the word I'm looking for. Subcultures,

01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:53.159
I don't know. Different versions of Christianity.

01:23:57.350 --> 01:24:00.310
When you're admitting something like that, that

01:24:00.310 --> 01:24:04.829
has to be the most terrifying thing you can say

01:24:04.829 --> 01:24:09.649
out loud because you are told in no uncertain

01:24:09.649 --> 01:24:12.029
terms, you don't talk about these things. You

01:24:12.029 --> 01:24:15.569
cannot be honest about some of these things in

01:24:15.569 --> 01:24:18.369
a lot of cases. And I don't know that this happened

01:24:18.369 --> 01:24:20.310
within the church, but I do know that when it

01:24:20.310 --> 01:24:22.130
does happen within the church, they will do everything

01:24:22.130 --> 01:24:25.949
in their power and that some churches in a lot

01:24:25.949 --> 01:24:28.319
of. A lot of scenarios will do everything in

01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:32.560
their power to protect the abuser because you

01:24:32.560 --> 01:24:34.279
don't want to ruin his life or like whatever

01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:37.779
the crock of bullshit might happen. I think that

01:24:37.779 --> 01:24:40.319
when Connor admitted this, I was so incredibly

01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.619
proud of him for admitting it. I was so impressed

01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:47.359
because I really. I'll be honest, leading into

01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:50.920
this, my impression of Connor was that he's a

01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:53.619
little weaselly. We had the dating app stuff.

01:24:53.779 --> 01:24:57.880
We had him just being kind of, like, strange,

01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.819
almost. Like, I didn't really get him, but I

01:25:01.819 --> 01:25:05.340
have such a newfound respect for him because

01:25:05.340 --> 01:25:09.859
he's... That gave so many little boys a voice.

01:25:10.100 --> 01:25:16.010
You know what I mean? I agree. And... I think

01:25:16.010 --> 01:25:20.130
that guys, this happens to guys, like it happens

01:25:20.130 --> 01:25:22.369
to women disproportionately, but it also happens

01:25:22.369 --> 01:25:27.689
to guys. And I think you have to be honest. You

01:25:27.689 --> 01:25:29.909
have to name it and you have to call it out.

01:25:30.090 --> 01:25:34.250
Or it'll continue. It will continue. If you never

01:25:34.250 --> 01:25:36.689
point out the monster, the monster will continue

01:25:36.689 --> 01:25:39.909
to. Right. But no, I think Connor did an incredible

01:25:39.909 --> 01:25:43.050
thing. And like what I was really, really, really.

01:25:44.019 --> 01:25:49.520
happy about is that the girls that had a problem

01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:53.939
with whitney throughout the season they're able

01:25:53.939 --> 01:25:56.340
to put their bullshit aside and go up to connor

01:25:56.340 --> 01:25:58.760
and be like i am so proud of you you're gonna

01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:01.119
help a lot of people like they really built him

01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:05.899
up yeah and he was really brave yes they did

01:26:05.899 --> 01:26:10.279
get into his porn addiction a little bit i now

01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:15.659
i feel okay after seeing the reunion i feel like

01:26:15.659 --> 01:26:20.359
all of that just kind of has to be put aside

01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.260
for him not because he deserves to be forgiven

01:26:24.260 --> 01:26:26.920
for everything wrong that he's ever done but

01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:32.539
because he has to have such a skewed fucked up

01:26:33.050 --> 01:26:37.970
mindset about sex not has to but like it it doesn't

01:26:37.970 --> 01:26:40.770
seem like a far jump when you were assaulted

01:26:40.770 --> 01:26:44.590
as a kid to have weird kind of mindset and by

01:26:44.590 --> 01:26:50.210
weird i just mean not healthy sure mindset surrounding

01:26:50.210 --> 01:26:54.250
sex i feel like it's not appropriate any longer

01:26:54.250 --> 01:26:58.289
for us to be talking about his porn addiction

01:26:58.289 --> 01:27:01.670
i don't know because i feel like i don't know

01:27:02.220 --> 01:27:07.000
Well, I come at it from, like, Whitney and Connor

01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:10.659
have decided that in their marriage, they had

01:27:10.659 --> 01:27:13.439
a rough time. They went through some rocky waters.

01:27:13.939 --> 01:27:18.840
They have shared their story. They've shared

01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:21.960
how they got here. Yeah. And now they're choosing

01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:24.500
to move forward with it. And that is nobody else's

01:27:24.500 --> 01:27:28.279
business but their own. Right. And I want them

01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:33.819
to. I want them to be okay. 100%. It seemed really

01:27:33.819 --> 01:27:39.779
hard for Whitney. When she was hearing his recounting

01:27:39.779 --> 01:27:43.279
of what had happened to him, she was very emotional.

01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:46.340
You can tell it was really hard. And that's kind

01:27:46.340 --> 01:27:51.220
of where I'm coming from, where I think not only

01:27:51.220 --> 01:27:55.220
was this so upsetting to hear and powerful and

01:27:55.220 --> 01:28:00.569
brave, but it also... kind of gave context to

01:28:00.569 --> 01:28:05.890
Whitney being so forgiving about what had happened

01:28:05.890 --> 01:28:11.109
because he says this came up in therapy when

01:28:11.109 --> 01:28:12.970
they were talking about their problems with their

01:28:12.970 --> 01:28:14.930
marriage. And so that's kind of where my perspective

01:28:14.930 --> 01:28:17.689
of like, okay, I'm not making fun of his porn

01:28:17.689 --> 01:28:19.710
addiction anymore because they just gave context

01:28:19.710 --> 01:28:23.430
to it that makes it so much darker and harder

01:28:23.430 --> 01:28:29.329
to grapple with. But, like, can we say for a

01:28:29.329 --> 01:28:32.489
second good on him for the way he's handled himself

01:28:32.489 --> 01:28:35.170
up to this point? He seems like an excellent

01:28:35.170 --> 01:28:37.930
father. He's been a good husband to Whitney,

01:28:38.090 --> 01:28:40.390
obviously. He's, like, been there for her. Yeah.

01:28:40.449 --> 01:28:44.729
And he did all of that before even facing this

01:28:44.729 --> 01:28:48.649
huge demon. I agree. I don't have a problem in

01:28:48.649 --> 01:28:50.510
the world with Connor right now. No. I think

01:28:50.510 --> 01:28:53.390
Connor's great. No. And all the problems I had

01:28:53.390 --> 01:28:55.229
with Connor before, if we're being honest, were

01:28:55.229 --> 01:28:59.250
just me judging that little man. Yeah. What else?

01:28:59.250 --> 01:29:02.310
Was there anything else that was notable in the

01:29:02.310 --> 01:29:04.630
reunion? Nothing of note. The only thing that

01:29:04.630 --> 01:29:09.829
I thought was funny and silly was in the preview

01:29:09.829 --> 01:29:16.789
to season three, they show Marciano getting a

01:29:16.789 --> 01:29:19.989
lie detector test. Oh, Jesus Christ. Do you remember

01:29:19.989 --> 01:29:23.350
that? I do remember seeing that, and a couple

01:29:23.350 --> 01:29:27.859
of things. I don't need that. I don't want the

01:29:27.859 --> 01:29:30.560
whole trope of like, oh, we're bringing in an

01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.939
expert. I feel the same way about this as I felt

01:29:33.939 --> 01:29:37.500
about Megan King Edmonds bringing on a psychic

01:29:37.500 --> 01:29:42.119
in... the early seasons i say the early but it's

01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.579
like somewhere in the middle of uh the real housewives

01:29:45.579 --> 01:29:48.319
of orange county to figure out that brooks was

01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:52.699
faking cancer i feel the same way about the real

01:29:52.699 --> 01:29:55.720
housewives of new jersey bringing on that weird

01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:00.100
man in the first couple of seasons where he was

01:30:00.100 --> 01:30:02.479
like allegedly part of the mafia and he was part

01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:05.539
of the i i'm probably gonna get it wrong with

01:30:05.539 --> 01:30:08.760
the gambino crime family like it's i i don't

01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:11.199
need it because we don't do that in real life

01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:15.199
no right like if someone your friend or whoever

01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.739
lies to you in real life and you're trying to

01:30:18.739 --> 01:30:20.260
get to the bottom of it because you have two

01:30:20.260 --> 01:30:23.319
different stories you're not calling in a lie

01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:26.920
detector that's not how life works but i also

01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:29.510
i like And also, they don't work. They don't

01:30:29.510 --> 01:30:30.989
work. They're not admissible in court. You're

01:30:30.989 --> 01:30:33.970
not supposed to have them on camera. Like, you're

01:30:33.970 --> 01:30:35.609
not supposed to have anyone else in the room.

01:30:36.329 --> 01:30:40.449
They also teach classes about how to lie. Take

01:30:40.449 --> 01:30:45.989
them, yeah. Like, God. Not to mention, Marciano's

01:30:45.989 --> 01:30:48.649
probably 10 drinks in. It's not built for him.

01:30:49.390 --> 01:30:51.569
Marciano, let me just tell you something that

01:30:51.569 --> 01:30:56.750
I know about Marciano is that... There's not

01:30:56.750 --> 01:30:59.550
a lie detector test in this world Marciano couldn't

01:30:59.550 --> 01:31:01.289
pass. I don't know anything about Marciano, but

01:31:01.289 --> 01:31:04.189
I do know that about him. Oh, yeah. You can just...

01:31:04.189 --> 01:31:08.109
Because he just doesn't care. No. He'll say anything.

01:31:08.350 --> 01:31:13.270
Yeah. I don't understand. Jesus Christ. He is

01:31:13.270 --> 01:31:15.609
like Jax Taylor. I feel the same way about Jax

01:31:15.609 --> 01:31:18.130
Taylor. Never give him a lie detector test. He's

01:31:18.130 --> 01:31:20.890
going to pass every time. Yes. He's going to

01:31:20.890 --> 01:31:23.270
only add to the credibility of those classes.

01:31:23.569 --> 01:31:26.050
Yes. He's going to teach one of those classes.

01:31:26.250 --> 01:31:29.550
Right. He only gets worked up when it's like

01:31:29.550 --> 01:31:33.369
in his favor to be worked up. It's not. He does

01:31:33.369 --> 01:31:39.420
not care. That's where we're at. Do we have anything

01:31:39.420 --> 01:31:42.960
else, ladies and gentlemen? I don't know who

01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:46.239
I'm talking to. This lady doesn't have anything.

01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:50.140
Well, I think that brings us to the end of another

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really cool. Yeah. Wherever. Fly us out to Egypt.

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We love you. We'll see you next week. We'll see

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you next week.