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Travis. I'm Emma. This is the second episode

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we've recorded today. Yay! Bestie approved! So...

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We don't have nearly as much in this episode

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as we did the last episode, so... We should be

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able to get through it. We'll power through.

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We'll do it. We'll make it happen. Obviously,

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Emma doesn't have a pregnancy update from right

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now, but... Emma's traveling to Louisiana next

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week, and I am going to edit in her pregnancy

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update next week. So... Here that is. Hey, guys.

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I didn't make it to Louisiana because they still

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can't fix my car. Don't worry. I'll be complaining

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about it for weeks and weeks to come. But baby

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is the size of a mango. hey and uh doing great

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kind of low energy and like i'm really stuffed

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up which is a pregnant thing um but other than

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that doing wonderfully there's a spot on my couch

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i sit in so frequently it's starting to creak

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but we're just ignoring that um yeah but in other

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baby news my cousin is having her baby It's kind

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of good I didn't make it to Louisiana. Anyway,

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see you next week. Well, what a great pregnancy

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update that was. I'm so happy that we did that.

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Things are going great. Your baby is the size

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of an object. A mango. A mango, yes. We do know

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that it will be the size of a mango. Yeah, I

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cheat in my app and look all the time. Speaking

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of that app, you know I downloaded that app just

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to see where your pregnancy was at as you go.

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My God, the amount of emails they're willing

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to send you. I should have made a burner email

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just for that app, because like they've also

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signed me up for like this cord registry thing.

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Oh, you should not need that. Do you know what

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that is? No. Oh, that is your umbilical cord.

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Jack is obsessed with umbilical cords. But beside

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that point, they will take blood from your umbilical

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cord because it is chock full of stem cells.

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And they'll store it for you because if you or

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anyone in your family gets these certain types

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of illnesses, the cord blood is really supposed

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to help. Oh. Weird, kind of. I don't think it's

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weird. But yeah, it's just kind of a silly thing.

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I don't know. I guess I didn't know what it was,

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but I don't hate the idea of it. I mean, except

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it's like. thousands of dollars but anyway yeah

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I don't know it kind of gives the same vibe as

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people who like save their placenta I do believe

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that there are health benefits from it don't

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get me wrong it just maybe I'm immature it just

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gives me the heebie -jeebies I so for some reason

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the cord blood feels different to me than um

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the placenta situation I don't know why it shouldn't

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because it's fundamentally the same Yeah, I don't

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know. But I don't know. I don't know. I support

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people who do it. I'm sure it's really helpful,

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especially with some like illnesses and stuff

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like that. I'm also like not very educated in

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it, obviously. I'm not at all educated in it,

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I would argue. So there we are. So. Let's get

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into it. I have two Elon Musk. One tangentially

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related to Elon Musk and one directly related

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to Elon Musk. Which one do you want to start

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with? I really love talking about Republicans

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who argue with robots. Gorgeous. Let's go into

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that one first. So MAGA is out here literally

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arguing with Grok, which is the... AI on Twitter.

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Right. X if you're a bootlicker. Either way,

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if you like it, I love it. But there is an entire

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TikTok dedicated to Grok versus MAGA. So I guess

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I don't know what these people think they're

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doing. They think they're fighting with a news

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source. And maybe this speaks to like what people

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don't. People like relying too much on AA to

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the point where they're like, no, no, no, I can

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argue with it and it can have an argument where

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I don't. You've lost me. Yes. You've so lost

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me. I also like before we get into this story

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in particular, every viral tweet I see, all of

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the replies are Grok, is this real? At Grok,

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what about this? At Grok, Grok, Grok, Grok. Use

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your brain. It reminds me a lot of. the people

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who are like chat GPT what do you think about

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this like the ones that like call it chat and

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like I guess for me I'm just like what who is

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this for but I think it's for me because it goes

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into Grok just saying factual information and

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the far right is Simply not being able to handle

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it or accept it. I've been waiting for this day.

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I'll tell you after we get into it. Well, so

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I guess like it. How do you say it? Mamdani.

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Zoran Mamdani. Hang on. I don't want to butcher

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it. I'm sorry. Zoran Mamdani, the mayoral candidate

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for New York. He's the mayor now. No, he won

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the primary. Oh. well that's how that matters

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what do you think about that no he won the um

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the primary which by the way if you want to see

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people losing their ever -loving minds turn on

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fox news right now i have i 9 11 levels of racism

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by the way wow it's well it's not it's not is

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that but it's not just that where it's also he's

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he's a what's the what's the level beyond socialist

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where um a communist yes they're like where he's

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a communist and i'm like but if 51 of the city

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of new york votes for him what's the problem

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if he wins the election what's the problem because

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it's the same argument for donald trump where

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like people think he's a fascist i think that

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word is a little overused sometimes i think a

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lot of people who use that word don't know what

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it means i agree but i'm like if 50 what was

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it 50 Three percent of the United States population

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voted for Donald Trump. What's the problem if

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51 percent of New York City votes for Zoran Magani?

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Isn't that the point of a democracy? Isn't that

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the point of an open election? I don't like.

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Don't we want free and fair elections? You can't

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be mad about an election. You're mad that this

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one wasn't rigged. Is that what you're mad about?

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Right. But he hasn't even won the election. He's

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only won the primary. But it has told us that.

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People are ready for a change because New York

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and let me just tell you about New York, because

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I have a little bit of firsthand experience with

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this. You have two real groups of people there.

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It's not about Republicans and Democrats. It

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is about public servants who actually want to

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show up and do the work that. Do the work of

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government, people like who I believe Alexandria

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Ocasio -Cortez is, people like who I believe

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Jasmine Crockett is. And these people want to

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do the work. Then you have some of the most corrupt

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people on God's great earth who use the the budget

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as a slush fund, who use. They want to insider

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trade. They're looking for a check anywhere they

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can find a check. That's where they are. Right.

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And. That is the two groups of people you have

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in New York. When it comes to Zohran Mamdani,

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I believe he is representative of what people

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are desperate for when it comes to electing someone

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to represent your best interests or lead a city.

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And people are furious about it. And you've got

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people, by the way, you've got people. All over

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the country who are mad about it, where this

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this really shouldn't be making news outside

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of New York, like New York proper, because it

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doesn't affect anyone outside of New York. No

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impact on anyone else. It's like the mayor of

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Indianapolis making headlines in Oklahoma. Like,

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it's weird. It doesn't matter. Yeah. But just

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know Zoran Mamdani, A, kind of cute. B, I support

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what he is trying to do in New York. That's all

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there is to it. But you have people that are

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saying that are questioning his citizenship because

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he's brown. You're having people do the whole.

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I'm so tired of that. Can we stop doing that?

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Anytime anyone who isn't white steps up, we're

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questioning their citizenship. Also, even people

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that are white. Elon Musk. He's white, right?

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Yeah, he's white. He's South African, which is

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the whole thing. I won't get into the apartheid.

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But yeah, what are we doing? Stop with the citizenship

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thing. America was supposed to be a melting pot

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of people from all over the world who needed

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refuge and wanted to work. That's it. Sure. And

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I would argue that Zoran Mamdadi wants to work.

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It embodies that. Yeah. We'll talk about immigration

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another day. Anyway, go on. I'll go off the deep

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end. But you've got that happening with Grok.

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I'm sorry, you've got you've got all of X blowing

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up about how Zoran Mamdani is not an American

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citizen, how he we should call into question

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his his citizenship. And then Grok says, no,

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you're so silly. This is this is actually what

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took place. And people are fighting with Grok.

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Right. And then they're saying, Grok, you are.

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you're you're part of the liberal mob now or

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whatever whatever the fuck they're calling it

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and grok's like thanks for your input like yeah

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i part of me wonders because like this is the

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thing about elon musk we're like and i feel the

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same way about donald trump if these people never

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would have gotten involved in politics i would

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love them because you they're They're funny.

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Like they're they're kind of funny. Like and

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I feel like Elon Musk probably program or Elon

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Musk had his people. I don't know that Elon Musk

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did it entirely. I don't care. But he the directive

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was to program Grok in such a way that it could

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be a little bit snarky. It could come back with

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some of this stuff. And I feel like that is a

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little wing from Elon Musk being like, thanks

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for your input. I think it's funny. I just I

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mean. I know that it's objective because if I

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had to guess which way Elon Musk feels about

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this situation, he would want to leave it blurry

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on Zoran's citizenship because he's a Republican

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weirdo. Neither here nor there, but yeah. Donald

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Trump is one of the funniest people in America.

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Yes. I have nothing but hate towards him. Yes.

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He's funny. He's so funny. He should have always

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been on TV and kept himself out of the goddamn

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White House. But I've said this a million times

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about Donald Trump. If he would like if I ran

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in 2014, 15, when I lived in New York, if I would

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have ran into him at a party, I can definitively

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tell you he would have been surrounded by 10

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gays just holding court because he is. hysterical

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like he is he's a little bit hateful he's like

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i mean he's he's super hateful he's a drag queen

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he's a drag queen he does not hold back he knows

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how to get a reaction out of people he's funny

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right that being said i don't feel that way about

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elon musk i'll say that but i feel like he knows

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how to make a robot be funny i think if you if

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we got into a room with elon musk and he was

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like he's a little bit snarky No. No? Okay. I

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think he's strange. I don't think... Like, there's

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a difference for me between being witty and,

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like, quick with being strange. That's, like,

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a stark difference to me. That's fair. I think

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he just, like... Is not of this world. I have

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said this about Elon Musk. I probably already

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said this on the podcast. We were never supposed

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to know who Elon Musk was. You have said that

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before. And I don't disagree. I feel like I feel

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the same way about him as I do about the Rothschilds

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where I feel like they we probably shouldn't

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know what they look like. You're meant to be

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an enigma. You're meant to use your brain and

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do your thing and make your money. And I am not

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meant to know who you are. Right. I agree. And

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it's because of this. It's because. It's polarizing.

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It is. It is. But yeah, anyway. Anyway. I can't

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believe people are arguing with AI. I knew this

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day would come for Republicans, though, because

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if you ask ChantGPT, do vaccines cause autism?

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It will say no. There is no hard evidence for

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it. And the guy who came up with that idea was

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barred from practicing medicine and had to issue

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an apology. So I knew. I knew once anti -vaxxers

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and Republicans started asking these kinds of

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questions, they weren't going to like the answers.

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Well, and that's that's the thing is where I.

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This is where I struggle, because, you know,

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so much of my family is Republican and I, I,

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I have to toe the line with a lot of people in

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my family between. Trying to get them on the

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same page of what is factual information versus

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what they just don't want to hear and what they're

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not willing to accept. Yeah. And it's it's at

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a certain point, it's like, OK, this is objectively

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factual information. Like whether it comes to

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34 counts of felonies, whether it comes to vaccines

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not causing autism, whether it comes to COVID

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was not. a deep state conspiracy, whether it

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comes to 5G was not a thing that's put out into

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the world for any nefarious reason. I don't I

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don't care any number of these things. We didn't

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have that argument about 4G, by the way. Anyway,

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we did. We didn't have that argument about anything.

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And I don't know where the argument comes from.

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And that's what stresses me out is like, OK,

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we're coming to an age of information where you

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have the entire world, like more than we have

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ever had in our lives. We have the entire world

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available on. our phones ever in history and

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i do think this is one of the repercussions of

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that of humans having such access to information

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you don't have to be able to siphon through and

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read an encyclopedia anymore you can just ask

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a robot right but on the other side of that so

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like i i think part of the problem is like up

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until now or up until really three years ago

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you were able to kind of find weird things on

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the internet and like you go down a rabbit rabbit

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rabbit hole or like whatever the case may be

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i love watching conspiracy theory youtube videos

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right i love that stuff but now you have someone

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who sound or something that sounds like a person

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that is saying no that's not true and it's not

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objectively agreeing empirically with everything

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that you're saying and you can't handle that

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so you fight with a fucking robot Yeah, like

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we have lost the entire plot. I think people

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have no media literacy. We've talked about this

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already, but people have no media literacy. They

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have no skepticism over anything. And so now

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if you can just put doctor at the front of your

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name on Twitter and spout whatever nonsense you

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want and people will just believe you. People

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will just believe whatever schizophrenic conspiracy

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you've come up with. They will just trust that

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that is real. But if you're a large language

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model that has access to the entire world of

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actually true information, it can say that. But

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you're not willing to believe that and you're

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willing to say, well, you were created by liberals,

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so you're not factually correct. Well, that's

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the problem, right? They believe all of these

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people who claim to be doctors and claim to be

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PhDs and claim to know this and that to the point

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where they are not willing to listen to an objective.

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Who has no reason to lie to you. No reason to

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hurt your feelings, by the way. They are programmed

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to keep you talking to them and keep you asking

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questions to them because they want to learn.

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But at the same time. I think that the step further

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that stresses me out here is. If you don't like

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it, it's it's liberal. If you don't like it,

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it's. A conspiracy theory. If you don't like

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it, it's the deep state. If you don't like it,

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it's woke. Woke is the one that really, like,

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I fucking hate that word. I'm sorry. It's silly.

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It's silly for me. Sorry, I'll let you finish.

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No, no, no, you're fine. Jack shook his head

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when I said fuck, so. It's silly to me because

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what you're saying, it's woke, it's woke, it's.

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Okay, aren't you trying to be woke? You're saying

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you're deviating from the widely accepted truth

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of things. You're the one deviating from what

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we acknowledge in science, etc. Mostly science

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is where I have the issue. You are the one who

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is being woke, no? That's what I don't understand.

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If anything, these conspirators are the ones

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trying to be woke with the classic definition

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of that word. I guess maybe I don't understand

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what woke is because I thought woke was just

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like what people screamed when something was

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not straight and white. Like that's that's just

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what I thought it was. So my impression was woke

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is people who are not just believing what is

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put in front of them, but rather believing. the

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real truth of things like you're challenging

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the status quo you've awoken you are oh okay

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so what's wrong with that right but also isn't

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that what you're doing like if your conspiracies

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are really what you believe aren't you the one

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being woke in that sense of the word like i don't

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understand but and this is this is what it all

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comes back to is It's not a rational conversation.

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You and I are rational. I like to believe we're

00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:01.079
rational people. Yeah. You and I can have a conversation

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and like walk away from it and be like, OK, well,

00:20:03.259 --> 00:20:05.839
I was crazy. Or we can say, OK, I can agree with

00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.640
someone. And we can we can objectively look at

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something and make an assessment about the merits

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of an argument. Right. Right. And I genuinely

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try to see other people's sides of things every

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time. I don't believe that grace is reciprocated,

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though. No, it's not. And then this is where

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I come back to, though, that stresses me out

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is. And I think this is like I guess it doesn't

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stress me out. This is where I come back to where

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I feel like I'm beating my head into a wall.

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You are. I say you really I am trying to make

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sense of a completely irrational situation. I

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am trying to look at it as a rational person

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where I'm like, you're fighting with a robot.

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You are fighting with a robot. Yeah, I... Come

00:20:53.890 --> 00:20:56.890
on, you've lost the plot, babe. Right, like,

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turn it off. You know what it reminds me of?

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That tweet Tyler, the creator, put out years

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and years, 10 years ago plus now, that's like,

00:21:04.849 --> 00:21:07.569
how is cyberbullying a real thing? Just log off,

00:21:07.690 --> 00:21:11.569
bro. Close your eyes. Go fucking touch grass.

00:21:11.630 --> 00:21:15.170
Yeah, a lot of them need to touch grass. A lot.

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Fox News watchers and... subscribers, just go

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touch some grass. If you don't feel any differently,

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I'm sorry. Go touch some grass. Speaking of touching,

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this isn't, this is not speaking of touching

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grass. Did you hear what Jack just said? No,

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I was, I said what I said about touching grass

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and he goes, did somebody just say a bad word?

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And I said, Jack, you are, you're right. I should

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be better about that. You are a hundred percent

00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:56.549
right. Thank you for letting me know. OK. All

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right. Moving on to Elon Musk again being silly.

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Boy, oh boy. Elon Musk. He's so silly. So here's.

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Here's the thing. If this shakes out to be what

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I think he envisions it being, I will applaud

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him. I'll go on record now and say that if he

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truly wants to cut corruption from the government,

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if he truly wants to put America first in government,

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if he truly wants to fight for people. I will

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applaud him. I'll say that right now on best

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to approve. I don't think so. Do do I do I really

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believe that? But the new political party called

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the America Party is going to shake out to be

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anything other than a publicity stunt. I don't

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think so. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think so.

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Here's what I'm hoping it does. Here's my best

00:23:05.049 --> 00:23:10.009
case scenario. In 2028, it'll split the vote

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so Republicans don't get the numbers that they

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did in 2024. And what an election the Lord will

00:23:16.569 --> 00:23:23.250
have made. Thank God. And part of me also wonders,

00:23:23.309 --> 00:23:26.349
is this Elon just coming back and being like,

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I just want to make him mad. I genuinely think

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a lot of it is emotional. I think a lot of this

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is emotional. Because he spent $300 million on

00:23:36.150 --> 00:23:39.049
Donald Trump last year. Right. And now he's like

00:23:39.049 --> 00:23:41.309
having a falling out. And he's like, well, I'll

00:23:41.309 --> 00:23:44.970
make my own political party. And I guess I've

00:23:44.970 --> 00:23:48.279
never really thought about what. a political

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party actually is like in my mind I was like

00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:53.740
oh it's really just a set of ideologies which

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is why when he said I'm making the America party

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I was like isn't that just kind of what everyone

00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:06.779
like when he was saying it I was like cool okay

00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:09.079
whatever and now I'm like oh no it's it's all

00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:13.230
like it's a money grab it's a it's it's a business

00:24:13.230 --> 00:24:16.289
it's all like it and it's frustrating because

00:24:16.289 --> 00:24:18.130
I don't feel like it should be that way but here

00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:20.970
we are no in fact our founding fathers warned

00:24:20.970 --> 00:24:23.609
us against it being this way but here we are

00:24:23.609 --> 00:24:32.430
doing it to the fullest but so yeah um but I

00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:36.549
will let me I'll tell you this right now if Elon

00:24:36.549 --> 00:24:41.349
Musk succeeds in getting the America party on

00:24:42.009 --> 00:24:46.049
Any election ticket. And that party actually

00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:50.529
believes in what he says they believe in, which

00:24:50.529 --> 00:24:55.509
I do. What he has said is not a liberal or conservative

00:24:55.509 --> 00:24:59.750
idea. It's just like we take care of this country.

00:24:59.869 --> 00:25:02.869
It does kind of remind me of the Donald Trump

00:25:02.869 --> 00:25:07.740
drain the swamp thing. Oh, which ended up being

00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:11.059
a whole Republican thing. In fact, infecting

00:25:11.059 --> 00:25:13.960
the swamp, I would argue. It's the swamp that

00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:20.859
RFK swam in. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:24.579
I do hope it's on tickets. If anything, it'll

00:25:24.579 --> 00:25:29.829
split the vote. Donald Trump did say I'm saddened

00:25:29.829 --> 00:25:32.130
to watch Elon Musk go completely off the rails

00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:34.569
and essentially becoming a train wreck over the

00:25:34.569 --> 00:25:38.410
last five weeks. This is this is the thing about

00:25:38.410 --> 00:25:42.650
Donald Trump is that he is an ex -boyfriend that

00:25:42.650 --> 00:25:44.990
says, oh, I'm so glad to be done with her. She's

00:25:44.990 --> 00:25:47.289
crazy. That's who that's who Donald Trump is.

00:25:47.390 --> 00:25:51.630
Oh, yeah. He's in. I'm sorry you feel that way,

00:25:51.630 --> 00:25:57.180
babe. Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. But. There's that. Let

00:25:57.180 --> 00:26:00.160
us know if you're going to join the America Party.

00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:03.980
Yeah, I honestly want to know your opinion. I'm

00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:05.640
not going to, like, come at you. I just want

00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.140
to know, like, where you're coming from. Do you

00:26:08.140 --> 00:26:09.700
know who I think is perfect for this, though,

00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:14.460
is my dad. Yeah. People who are genuinely skeptical

00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:17.980
of Donald Trump, but, like. But love America.

00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:20.259
Let me just tell you, listener. Like, one day

00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:22.220
we'll, I don't know if we'll ever get my dad

00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:25.670
on the pod, but we will. I'll tell I'll tell

00:26:25.670 --> 00:26:29.569
you guys about my dad. He is someone that loves,

00:26:29.589 --> 00:26:34.410
loves, loves, loves America. And he loves. He

00:26:34.410 --> 00:26:38.130
loves his fellow man like he is, I think what

00:26:38.130 --> 00:26:41.289
when people envision the American dream, he's

00:26:41.289 --> 00:26:43.509
the kind of person that really lives out that

00:26:43.509 --> 00:26:48.690
idea, I think. And Elon Musk's party is perfect

00:26:48.690 --> 00:26:52.789
for someone like my dad. Yeah. So I do hope that

00:26:52.789 --> 00:26:55.410
like he is serious about what he's trying to

00:26:55.410 --> 00:26:59.049
do. Yeah. I do think like all those videos of

00:26:59.049 --> 00:27:00.910
people who are like, I voted for Donald Trump

00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:03.529
and I regret it. I think it's good for them.

00:27:04.109 --> 00:27:06.849
Yeah. But I think it's good for them. I hope

00:27:06.849 --> 00:27:09.269
they have a party that they can align with. You

00:27:09.269 --> 00:27:14.750
know, I agree. Moving on. Moving on. Have you

00:27:14.750 --> 00:27:19.630
seen this TikTok going around of this guy who.

00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.619
Was talking about how as we are getting into

00:27:24.619 --> 00:27:27.079
our 20s or 30s and like maybe we don't want to

00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:31.119
go out for drinks anymore. Maybe we need to normalize

00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.579
going out for fries and a Diet Coke. I love that.

00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:37.380
Yes, I have seen it. I love that so much. Like

00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:41.539
it's the most wholesome. I love it. I love it.

00:27:41.539 --> 00:27:45.460
It really, really makes me happy. Yeah, there's

00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:47.299
nothing in this life that I love more than a

00:27:47.299 --> 00:27:49.359
dirty Diet Coke with a Caesar salad and some

00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.960
fries. What? So that's your version of fries

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:56.220
and Diet Coke? Yeah. I think mine is nachos and

00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:58.940
a Diet Dr. Pepper. Because, you know, I love

00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:01.619
nothing more than a good plate of nachos. I love

00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:07.359
nachos, too. Wow, that sounds really good. Okay.

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.259
Okay. Love that. I think you should take all

00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:12.700
of your friends out for Diet Coke and fries.

00:28:12.940 --> 00:28:14.980
And also I like that because there's like no

00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:16.759
pressure. It's like you don't have to spend a

00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.339
whole night drinking Diet Coke and eating French

00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:23.920
fries. Just go gossip for a minute. Yeah. An

00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:29.380
hour. Two hours. On to complaining. Are we complaining?

00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:31.500
I'm going to let you go first because you had

00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:35.900
one. It's just so fucking hot outside. I'm so

00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:39.440
tired of it being hot. I haven't gotten any cardio

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:43.400
in all summer because as soon as Jack's school

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.900
was up, it was 90 degrees. And so we can't go

00:28:46.900 --> 00:28:49.400
for walks. I can't go to the gym because I'm

00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.319
not going to neglect my child. They don't have

00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:56.920
a daycare there. It's just too hot. We went for

00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.960
a walk in between episodes and both Jack and

00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:02.799
Travis were eating and it felt like I was on

00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.839
the surface of hell. And that just our mental

00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.640
health walk, if anything, diminished my mental

00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.900
health. Turned out to be a mental illness walk

00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:16.119
for Emma. Yeah. Let me let me tell you how that

00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:20.920
in my view, how this walk went. We walked out

00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.059
onto the sidewalk in front of Emma's house. We

00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.599
had been walking for 13 seconds. Oh, we were

00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.259
still in front of my house. We had not passed

00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:33.660
my house. To be fair, it was hotter than the

00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:37.420
surface of the sun. I was eating a one of those

00:29:37.420 --> 00:29:40.740
like little dove chocolate things. And Jack was

00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:44.160
eating a chicken nugget. And Emma goes, it's

00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:51.529
hot and everyone's chewing. I'm too pregnant

00:29:51.529 --> 00:29:55.349
to be dealing with any type of bullshit. And

00:29:55.349 --> 00:30:01.789
it might have been the most. For context, listener,

00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:04.829
Jack was so good for the first episode we recorded.

00:30:04.950 --> 00:30:06.950
So I said, let's go and get some of our energy

00:30:06.950 --> 00:30:09.750
out. I pulled a muscle in my lower back. So I

00:30:09.750 --> 00:30:11.390
was like, let me just make sure that's not locking

00:30:11.390 --> 00:30:13.490
up. Let's let Jack get some of his energy out.

00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:17.009
And Emma said, it's hot and everyone's chewing.

00:30:17.980 --> 00:30:21.539
I just sometimes you got to let it out or it'll

00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:24.279
fester. You were a trooper through it. You went

00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:28.039
for a little walk. We did. OK, and I'm happy

00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:32.420
to go for a walk. I just had a moment. It was

00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:34.519
a good walk. It was a good hot girl walk. I'm

00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.839
hot all the time, too, which I know we'll have

00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.460
a pregnancy update in this video, but I am so

00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:44.099
hot all the time. And I talked to my OB about

00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:47.240
it and she was like, you're literally an oven.

00:30:47.849 --> 00:30:52.549
You are baking this kid. So like, yeah, you're

00:30:52.549 --> 00:30:56.710
going to feel hot. And I was like, well, good

00:30:56.710 --> 00:30:59.329
thing it's 90 degrees outside. Guess I'll just

00:30:59.329 --> 00:31:03.190
die. And the AC is out of my car, by the way.

00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:05.529
I haven't had my car in like a week and a half

00:31:05.529 --> 00:31:08.130
because it's forever until a Honda dealership

00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:13.049
can get me in. That's hard. So that's my complaint.

00:31:13.410 --> 00:31:18.400
I'm fucking hot. yeah I'm gonna complain about

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:24.500
LinkedIn oh good complaint so I had to create

00:31:24.500 --> 00:31:26.599
so I was on LinkedIn forever and ever and ever

00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.180
and then I got off because I was like I I hate

00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:32.660
everything about the culture of LinkedIn and

00:31:32.660 --> 00:31:35.019
then for my master's program and one of my classes

00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:38.500
I was forced to get back onto LinkedIn because

00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:40.400
like we had to do some kind of case study or

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.299
some shit I don't know why people have such a

00:31:42.299 --> 00:31:45.019
boner for LinkedIn They, like, want to force

00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:46.500
you to be on it. I don't. That's not the first

00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:48.940
time I've heard, like, oh, I have to be on LinkedIn

00:31:48.940 --> 00:31:52.099
for this or that. Ugh. Well, I mean, at our old

00:31:52.099 --> 00:31:56.289
job. the one the first circle of hell I was forced

00:31:56.289 --> 00:31:58.869
to be on it there too by the social media team

00:31:58.869 --> 00:32:01.809
yeah I'm sure you were I don't understand it's

00:32:01.809 --> 00:32:04.869
social media like but and they like gave me things

00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:06.910
to post for because I was part of that stupid

00:32:06.910 --> 00:32:09.769
pilot program like it was the worst experience

00:32:09.769 --> 00:32:11.609
of my life I had to go to classes like and there

00:32:11.609 --> 00:32:13.849
was compliance involved but then they were like

00:32:13.849 --> 00:32:16.109
you have no idea how impactful this is going

00:32:16.109 --> 00:32:20.130
to be gun to my head I don't I cannot tell you

00:32:20.130 --> 00:32:21.869
anything that came out of it. I gave the company

00:32:21.869 --> 00:32:24.549
complete control of my LinkedIn and I said, you

00:32:24.549 --> 00:32:25.849
do whatever you want with it. I want nothing

00:32:25.849 --> 00:32:28.589
to do with it. I hated it. I hate LinkedIn in

00:32:28.589 --> 00:32:32.650
general, but. But now people are posting video

00:32:32.650 --> 00:32:35.349
content on this godforsaken platform and they're

00:32:35.349 --> 00:32:38.130
making it out to be that they're LinkedIn influencers.

00:32:38.569 --> 00:32:43.559
And I'm just like, what? What? Why? What? Like,

00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.460
it's all about the hustle and the grind and the

00:32:46.460 --> 00:32:48.980
like, oh, like you to put in this many hours.

00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:52.900
Shut up. Shut up. I've hated that on LinkedIn

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:57.400
forever and ever and ever for years. The grind

00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.819
set of it all. I hate it. I can't believe people

00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:03.279
are trying to be LinkedIn influencers. That's

00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.680
crazy. But then I'll take it one step further.

00:33:05.859 --> 00:33:08.200
And then they try to get you to join LinkedIn

00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.269
premium. I'd rather get my toenails pulled out.

00:33:13.869 --> 00:33:21.509
It is. It is. One of these one of these byproducts

00:33:21.509 --> 00:33:23.690
of late stage capitalism where they want you

00:33:23.690 --> 00:33:29.670
to pay for. The privilege of looking for a goddamn

00:33:29.670 --> 00:33:32.890
job like you were trying to extract money for

00:33:32.890 --> 00:33:35.839
people that are ostensibly looking for. jobs

00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.980
to get a better life and like if it's if it's

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:40.579
the other side of it if you're on linkedin premium

00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:44.960
for for if you're hiring someone and you want

00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.319
to be highlighted in like the job profiles engagement

00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.240
you need the engagement to like whatever i want

00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:56.380
that for you if i get one more email from linkedin

00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:58.220
saying you should sign up for linkedin premium

00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:01.210
you get a free 90 day trial or whatever. No,

00:34:01.410 --> 00:34:04.410
I'm not. I'm not interested in that. And you,

00:34:04.509 --> 00:34:06.910
Mr. And Mrs. LinkedIn can shove that right up

00:34:06.910 --> 00:34:10.269
your ass. Yeah, I think LinkedIn has been trying

00:34:10.269 --> 00:34:13.849
to be Facebook for some time now. And I just

00:34:13.849 --> 00:34:17.090
don't understand it. I don't understand it. I

00:34:17.090 --> 00:34:19.030
don't think people should get paid for engagement

00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:21.329
on LinkedIn. I don't think people should be running

00:34:21.329 --> 00:34:24.730
ads for other companies on LinkedIn. I don't

00:34:24.730 --> 00:34:27.010
understand it at all. It's insane. I think the

00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:29.920
only reason you should ever need to. post a video

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.139
on linkedin is if you are selling something for

00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:37.980
your job i think putting a video on linkedin

00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:41.239
is the most insane thing like i want you to think

00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:45.039
back to what linkedin started as it was a A social

00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.539
media thing for people looking for a job. And

00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:50.500
then I think it was Microsoft that bought them

00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:53.840
out. And they were like, how can we make this

00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:56.460
into a growth strategy? And it should have never

00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:59.679
been that. No, LinkedIn didn't need to grow.

00:34:59.739 --> 00:35:03.340
It grows by nature of people needing jobs. Yes.

00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:07.059
Like never in my life have I ever seen anything

00:35:07.059 --> 00:35:13.980
like it. Hate LinkedIn. Always have. Hate it.

00:35:14.589 --> 00:35:16.449
All right. Are you going to jump into reality

00:35:16.449 --> 00:35:22.349
roundup? Yes, I would love to. Can we talk about

00:35:22.349 --> 00:35:26.710
Love Island for a second? I would love to. I'm

00:35:26.710 --> 00:35:28.210
going to turn my mic off because, you know, I

00:35:28.210 --> 00:35:31.489
have nothing valuable to add to this. Yeah. OK,

00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:33.710
so last time I was talking about how people have

00:35:33.710 --> 00:35:35.570
lost the plot of Love Island and like they don't

00:35:35.570 --> 00:35:37.349
understand what it's supposed to be about and

00:35:37.349 --> 00:35:42.670
all of that. It's only gotten worse. It's only

00:35:42.670 --> 00:35:44.849
gotten worse. Jesus, I've seen a lot on TikTok

00:35:44.849 --> 00:35:48.110
about this. But also, that's what I want to talk

00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:54.650
about. They did zero vetting this year over the

00:35:54.650 --> 00:35:57.989
cast. They didn't even go through this cast's

00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:02.730
social media archives. They didn't do any of

00:36:02.730 --> 00:36:04.730
the due diligence they needed to do. Oh no, this

00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:05.889
is going to be what I think it's going to be.

00:36:06.329 --> 00:36:08.969
We've had two racists on there that have been

00:36:08.969 --> 00:36:14.429
booted off. No. Two. No. One of them was on a

00:36:14.429 --> 00:36:18.909
podcast months before going on Love Island saying,

00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:24.210
he's my N -word. He's my N -word. She is Latina.

00:36:24.650 --> 00:36:28.710
Okay. Oh. And then we have this other girl who

00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:34.440
said the reason she gets Botox. are so her eyes

00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:44.619
don't look so Asian slur. They both have had

00:36:44.619 --> 00:36:48.579
to, like, once those clips have come to light,

00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:53.400
right, the producers have had to go there, like,

00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:55.400
obviously off camera, they're not willing to

00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:01.589
show any of this, and, like, drag them off. Like

00:37:01.589 --> 00:37:03.130
basically in the middle of the night. The first

00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:04.489
one was literally in the middle of the night.

00:37:04.550 --> 00:37:08.929
The second one was like in one morning. But I'm

00:37:08.929 --> 00:37:13.449
like, you people have done this to yourself.

00:37:13.989 --> 00:37:17.170
I don't know how you're not vetting these people,

00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:19.210
how you're not like coming up with this shit.

00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:23.630
I feel like you should have to do such a deep

00:37:23.630 --> 00:37:26.670
dive before you put someone on any type of reality

00:37:26.670 --> 00:37:31.900
show. And they clearly didn't do. So I agree.

00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.679
And I'm this. I think you should have to vet

00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.440
someone before you put them on reality TV, I

00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.400
think. But on the other side of that, I think

00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:43.840
if you put someone on reality TV and something

00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.079
like this comes to light, you get what you get.

00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.360
Period. End of story. Like you, if you weren't

00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.889
willing to do the work, which from. From what

00:37:53.889 --> 00:37:57.690
I've gathered and the maybe all total 25 minutes

00:37:57.690 --> 00:37:59.690
of Love Island that I have watched, it does not

00:37:59.690 --> 00:38:02.170
seem like they are willing to do the work. No,

00:38:02.269 --> 00:38:04.670
they are not willing to work on their audio.

00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:07.389
They're not willing to work on their cast, nor

00:38:07.389 --> 00:38:11.210
the nonsensical things that they do on the show

00:38:11.210 --> 00:38:14.389
that have no like repercussions or ever come

00:38:14.389 --> 00:38:19.360
up later. Right. I feel like you just have to

00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.599
accept that, like, if you're not willing to put

00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.320
in the work of a production, this is the quality

00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.320
of the outcome that you get. That being said,

00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.039
on the other side of this, I feel conflicted

00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.340
in some ways about. Pulling them off the show

00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:39.130
and not letting them answer for their. Transgressions.

00:38:39.130 --> 00:38:40.869
OK, so the one that was like six months ago in

00:38:40.869 --> 00:38:43.309
a podcast, maybe that was a little like a little

00:38:43.309 --> 00:38:45.750
too recent for them to say like I fucked up and

00:38:45.750 --> 00:38:47.670
like, my God, I'm so embarrassed about saying

00:38:47.670 --> 00:38:50.250
that. I think the other one was like early last

00:38:50.250 --> 00:38:53.289
year or like maybe a couple of years ago. She

00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:55.929
was an adult when she said it. So I'm talking

00:38:55.929 --> 00:38:58.690
about someone like if if we're talking like on

00:38:58.690 --> 00:39:01.869
RuPaul's Drag Race in Australia, they had one

00:39:01.869 --> 00:39:05.590
of the queens, I guess, performed in blackface.

00:39:05.710 --> 00:39:12.150
And that's. horrific. But what I do appreciate

00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:15.230
about that moment is that RuPaul said, what do

00:39:15.230 --> 00:39:16.989
you have to say about this? We just found out

00:39:16.989 --> 00:39:20.789
about this. What do you have to say? Yeah. I

00:39:20.789 --> 00:39:25.150
respect the hell out of that because now. The

00:39:25.150 --> 00:39:26.909
Love Island producers are cowards. I'll just

00:39:26.909 --> 00:39:30.590
say that. Because like when this girl, the one

00:39:30.590 --> 00:39:33.289
who said the slur against Asian people, they

00:39:33.289 --> 00:39:36.409
pick her out of the show. It is in the morning,

00:39:36.590 --> 00:39:38.909
you know, because she's kind of like in the background

00:39:38.909 --> 00:39:41.110
when they're like getting ready in the morning.

00:39:41.130 --> 00:39:44.829
You can see her. They didn't want you to, but

00:39:44.829 --> 00:39:50.389
you still can. Anyway, they say Sierra's left

00:39:50.389 --> 00:39:54.590
the show for personal reasons. So now people

00:39:54.590 --> 00:39:59.269
who are not on social media, people who are not

00:39:59.269 --> 00:40:05.050
as chronically online as me, who have jobs, they

00:40:05.050 --> 00:40:08.590
think like, oh, her grandma died or oh, she got

00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:11.530
sick or something like that. No, no, no, no.

00:40:11.989 --> 00:40:15.809
Let's say it for what it is. Or are you not willing

00:40:15.809 --> 00:40:19.710
to admit your misstep in allowing her on this

00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:23.059
show? I don't even know that the responsibility

00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:25.900
falls on the production of Love Island at that

00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:29.300
point. I think if you are going to take her off

00:40:29.300 --> 00:40:35.099
the show and. You say, hey, we found out about

00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.159
this, like this is this is why she's being removed

00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:38.960
from the show. Hey, I think the cast deserves

00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.340
to know that because they are going to come out

00:40:40.340 --> 00:40:41.659
of this because I don't know. Do they have access

00:40:41.659 --> 00:40:43.519
to their phones in this house? No. So they're

00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:44.980
OK. So they're going to come out of the show

00:40:44.980 --> 00:40:48.010
and it's going to be. It's very fuzzy on how

00:40:48.010 --> 00:40:50.389
much they know. Yeah. They're going to be asked

00:40:50.389 --> 00:40:52.309
for comments and they are not going there. They're

00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:53.809
going to have no idea what to say. And they're

00:40:53.809 --> 00:40:56.409
going to be finding out. Yeah. After all of us

00:40:56.409 --> 00:40:59.469
know. And a hundred percent. And so now they're

00:40:59.469 --> 00:41:01.869
talking about like the guy she was with is like,

00:41:01.949 --> 00:41:04.909
oh, well, my head was on straight because like

00:41:04.909 --> 00:41:08.130
I was with Sierra. I knew what I wanted, blah,

00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:10.710
blah, blah. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's Love Island.

00:41:10.969 --> 00:41:16.019
And now it's like. I don't know. It's not like

00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:18.000
anyone is going up and defending her or anything

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:22.460
like that. I think they know to a point that

00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:26.519
it's like something she said on social media

00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.360
that was not appropriate, blah, blah, blah. Because

00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.960
otherwise I think they'd be like, oh, I'm praying

00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.880
for her. Oh, I miss her, blah, blah, blah. And

00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.300
there's none of that. And I would argue people

00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:41.199
being racist to Asians in general is that it

00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:47.239
is so. diminished and minimized like people don't

00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.480
take it seriously or as seriously as they should

00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.559
um anyway Yeah, I do think a lot of Asian hate

00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.280
is minimized. It is. It's horrific. Yeah. And

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.420
like diminished in terms of severity, because

00:42:02.420 --> 00:42:05.579
it really does hurt a lot of people there, especially

00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:09.019
if you're like on Love Island. This girl lost

00:42:09.019 --> 00:42:12.719
like hundreds of thousands of followers in hours.

00:42:13.099 --> 00:42:15.639
She was close to a million followers and she

00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.860
has like 700 ,000 now. Well, it was crazy. but

00:42:21.860 --> 00:42:24.519
it's like you hurt people's feelings like you

00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.500
made people feel like they weren't enough and

00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:31.179
like they needed a cosmetic procedure done to

00:42:31.179 --> 00:42:33.519
look a different way okay i see okay so it's

00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:34.880
like no it's more than hurting their feelings

00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.699
you're a racist cunt yeah like sorry but okay

00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:39.539
now i see where okay those i see where you're

00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:42.139
connecting like girls who are looking up to you

00:42:42.139 --> 00:42:45.380
especially asian girls who are looking up to

00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:49.739
you can you imagine like being a little girl

00:42:51.259 --> 00:42:54.960
From any Asian country and hearing someone like

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.579
that. I mean, granted, maybe there's a larger

00:42:57.579 --> 00:42:59.960
conversation around like you look up to someone

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.619
who's on Love Island, but also my hero is Bethany

00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:05.079
Frankel. So who am I to say anything? We're in

00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.260
the age of social media and this is what we have.

00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:10.099
You know what I mean? So whatever. Can you imagine

00:43:10.099 --> 00:43:13.860
hearing that and being like, fuck, what do you

00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:16.590
do with that? I don't know. Yeah. And I don't

00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:18.869
know. I guess there was this whole thing. I don't

00:43:18.869 --> 00:43:22.130
I don't know that much about. But people like

00:43:22.130 --> 00:43:24.349
confronted her about this at the time. She's

00:43:24.349 --> 00:43:27.710
had a lot of followers for a long time. They

00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:30.409
confronted her about not using that word. And

00:43:30.409 --> 00:43:33.210
she like stood ten toes down and was like, I

00:43:33.210 --> 00:43:35.210
didn't mean it like that. Then don't fucking

00:43:35.210 --> 00:43:37.449
say it. And then one of her little friends who

00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:39.269
was like handling her social media was like,

00:43:39.309 --> 00:43:42.489
you don't understand her sense of humor. Oh,

00:43:42.489 --> 00:43:44.449
let me tell you what I'm not interested in. It's

00:43:44.449 --> 00:43:46.530
her sense of humor. No, I don't want to get her

00:43:46.530 --> 00:43:50.230
sense of humor if it's racist and vile. No. Well,

00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:53.449
there's that. Yeah. OK, so moving on. Ladies

00:43:53.449 --> 00:43:55.170
of London is coming back. Ladies of London is

00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:56.769
coming back. I'm so excited. So this is apparently

00:43:56.769 --> 00:43:59.130
old news. This was announced back in May. Oh,

00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:01.309
I didn't see it. I didn't see it either. But

00:44:01.309 --> 00:44:05.469
Ladies of London is coming back. Caroline Stanberry

00:44:05.469 --> 00:44:07.190
talked a little bit about her experience on the

00:44:07.190 --> 00:44:13.719
show. And I'm. thrilled i'm i'm so so so so excited

00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:19.659
they they didn't give a ton of detail on it but

00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:24.940
what for for people that don't know um the the

00:44:24.940 --> 00:44:29.119
show was really focused on two two groups of

00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.059
people one was the people that have always lived

00:44:31.059 --> 00:44:35.320
in london one was america or expats that immigrated

00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.059
from america to live in london then there was

00:44:38.059 --> 00:44:42.550
one um danish well she was danish royalty uh

00:44:42.550 --> 00:44:48.329
caroline fleming and the it was just it was a

00:44:48.329 --> 00:44:50.469
really interesting sociology experiment you're

00:44:50.469 --> 00:44:54.550
the dynamic of the the the original londoners

00:44:54.550 --> 00:44:56.869
looking down on the the americans because they

00:44:56.869 --> 00:45:01.070
were uncouth to say the least like it was it

00:45:01.070 --> 00:45:05.079
was good stuff um But it's coming back. It doesn't

00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.179
really say when it's coming back, but I do know

00:45:08.179 --> 00:45:11.619
that I am thrilled for it because that was a

00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:16.039
show that if I was ever depressed and in the

00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:20.059
bed, I would watch for hours on end. That's beautiful.

00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.500
It's really good. I'm excited to see it. I've

00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:24.699
never seen it. I didn't watch the original. It's

00:45:24.699 --> 00:45:29.460
really good. The other show that I'm kind of

00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:33.170
excited about is. The Real Housewives of Rhode

00:45:33.170 --> 00:45:39.090
Island is coming to Bravo. And I feel like now

00:45:39.090 --> 00:45:41.610
that we've had Potomac and Salt Lake City and

00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:45.110
I in the very beginning said to myself, I will

00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:46.949
not watch this garbage TV. I think it's going

00:45:46.949 --> 00:45:49.650
to be horrible, stupid, terrible. And those have

00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:54.070
been the two cities that I have rewatched probably

00:45:54.070 --> 00:45:58.989
the most. Yeah. I love Potomac. Yeah. So, so,

00:45:59.010 --> 00:46:02.179
so, so much. I'm excited to see Rhode Island.

00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:08.920
It's like all 10 people who live there. Yes,

00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:12.159
probably. But like there's like money, like old

00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.519
money in New England. And I'm thrilled about

00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.320
that. I'm so excited. So I think that's going

00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.139
to be really good. I think what we're finding

00:46:20.139 --> 00:46:23.400
with I don't even want to call them mid -tier

00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.380
cities, but cities that you typically don't think

00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.380
of when you think like when you let's just call

00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:31.119
it what it is. When you think of New York. Beverly

00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.699
Hills, Orange County, Miami, and really those

00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:39.119
those cities, you don't think of them in the

00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:43.460
same category as you do. Let's just say Potomac,

00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:48.440
Salt Lake City, Dallas, Dallas, New Jersey. yeah

00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:52.880
so atlanta you know oh i i i hold atlanta on

00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.460
a pedestal i know but i don't think like most

00:46:55.460 --> 00:46:58.719
people do i but also no one's as obsessed with

00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:04.519
the city of atlanta as i am but um so but when

00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.860
you look at cities in the category that you would

00:47:06.860 --> 00:47:10.340
put salt lake city in and potomac you you tend

00:47:10.340 --> 00:47:14.590
to find people that are a little more willing

00:47:14.590 --> 00:47:17.269
to put it all out there and they kind of like

00:47:17.269 --> 00:47:19.510
the drama and they're not like above it all and

00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:21.650
i really they're they're more real so much more

00:47:21.650 --> 00:47:25.949
relatable too like i think that's what i love

00:47:25.949 --> 00:47:28.809
the most about potomac compared to like i've

00:47:28.809 --> 00:47:33.900
seen oc you know and it's like that If I feel

00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:36.099
like I can't connect to anyone, I'm like not

00:47:36.099 --> 00:47:38.059
interested. It's like background noise because

00:47:38.059 --> 00:47:40.139
I'm like. That's why I've come back to Orange

00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:41.920
County because I feel like I can connect to Katie

00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.699
Janela. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, I'm excited.

00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:49.920
I think it'll be great. I'm I'm thrilled. I can't

00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.460
wait. Dear listener, we are in the homestretch

00:47:54.460 --> 00:47:58.320
when it comes to. I know it's the last two episodes.

00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.539
So episode nine, the Book of Reckoning. Yeah.

00:48:03.670 --> 00:48:07.230
Baby. Macy goes to Jesse's house and we find

00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:10.030
out there was a cast trip to New Orleans that

00:48:10.030 --> 00:48:11.909
has apparently already been paid for. The house

00:48:11.909 --> 00:48:15.829
is already booked. And I love New Orleans to

00:48:15.829 --> 00:48:19.130
no end. So I was so excited. I always am. Potomac

00:48:19.130 --> 00:48:21.010
went to New Orleans. I was excited. This is a

00:48:21.010 --> 00:48:23.929
cool trip, though. It looked really cool. And

00:48:23.929 --> 00:48:28.409
I felt the same way when Potomac went. But and

00:48:28.409 --> 00:48:32.210
Jesse flat out says the timing is terrible, but.

00:48:32.619 --> 00:48:34.079
the trip's already paid for so i guess we're

00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.679
going yeah yeah which honestly makes it just

00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.719
that much juicier you know what i mean like i

00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.480
love a poorly timed trip i do too um jesse has

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.739
we find out jesse has to get surgery for a partial

00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:49.280
thyroid removal because and this is something

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.619
that i think is really interesting is that i

00:48:51.619 --> 00:48:53.340
guess a bunch of nurses reached out to her when

00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:56.099
she started on the show i thought that was cool

00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:59.630
too like they noticed it watching her on tv that's

00:48:59.630 --> 00:49:02.329
so crazy yes they like she had a bunch of um

00:49:02.329 --> 00:49:05.289
nurses reach out to her and say hey just do me

00:49:05.289 --> 00:49:06.889
a favor go get your thyroid checked and apparently

00:49:06.889 --> 00:49:12.030
she had a couple of um nodule spots she had something

00:49:12.030 --> 00:49:17.489
like not tumors but whatever um and that because

00:49:17.489 --> 00:49:19.789
those nurses said hey go get this checked out

00:49:19.789 --> 00:49:23.650
that's how she found out there was an issue and

00:49:23.650 --> 00:49:27.590
then We get pretty quickly into New Orleans.

00:49:27.670 --> 00:49:30.150
The girls get to New Orleans and again, they

00:49:30.150 --> 00:49:36.230
love a party bus. Yeah. Jesse's still kind of

00:49:36.230 --> 00:49:39.449
unpacking her feelings about Demi. And she's

00:49:39.449 --> 00:49:41.750
she's she shares that she's really hurt in one

00:49:41.750 --> 00:49:43.969
of her confessionals. And she knows that she

00:49:43.969 --> 00:49:47.889
needs to pull Demi aside to talk about how terribly

00:49:47.889 --> 00:49:53.260
she talked about Jay -Z Styles. Right. taylor's

00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:55.739
not there right taylor doesn't go on the trip

00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:03.000
because she i this could have been one of two

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:04.739
things she didn't want to deal with the fallout

00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:08.880
from the other girls or she's actually like going

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:12.780
through a lot in her life. I think it's a combination

00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:15.460
of both. Sure. I think it's, there's trouble

00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:17.579
in paradise. She's having a really hard time

00:50:17.579 --> 00:50:19.960
with Dakota and trying to parent her children.

00:50:20.059 --> 00:50:22.559
She's also co -parenting with her ex -husband.

00:50:22.659 --> 00:50:24.800
We don't see any of that on the show, so we don't

00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.260
really know how that's going. Um, and I think

00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:31.719
she feels unsupported at this point by all the

00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:33.679
girls. So like, that's not who she would want

00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.019
to surround herself with if she were to go on

00:50:36.019 --> 00:50:38.780
a trip while she's going through a hard time.

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:44.800
So, I agree. This is a complete side note, but

00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.079
the Social Studies podcast with Joe Dombrowski

00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:53.159
and Gaspar Randazzo have the same intro music

00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.340
to their podcast that was playing when the girls

00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:58.079
walked into this house. And I said, oh, look

00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:59.820
at you getting royalty -free music from Adobe

00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:05.059
Stop. Come on. The budget is low. Yeah. This

00:51:05.059 --> 00:51:07.699
was an expensive trip. Another time the food

00:51:07.699 --> 00:51:10.489
looked in. Incredible. They tried to feed them

00:51:10.489 --> 00:51:13.909
Cajun food and it looked so good. So there was

00:51:13.909 --> 00:51:18.170
a the chef's name was Shaquita Sutton. And I

00:51:18.170 --> 00:51:21.929
hope I'm saying that right. This woman, you could

00:51:21.929 --> 00:51:26.590
hear it in her voice that she. knows how to cook

00:51:26.590 --> 00:51:29.210
and like there is you can throw down yeah there

00:51:29.210 --> 00:51:31.750
is nothing that i wanted more than just to try

00:51:31.750 --> 00:51:33.309
like some of the chicken and some of the rice

00:51:33.309 --> 00:51:36.070
like oh my god it looks so good it looks so good

00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:37.730
and that's coming from someone who's had cajun

00:51:37.730 --> 00:51:40.329
food i've lived in louisiana it looked so good

00:51:40.329 --> 00:51:44.610
but like also the presentation of all of it where

00:51:44.610 --> 00:51:46.949
she had it all on like the like the plating and

00:51:46.949 --> 00:51:49.489
like i was like oh she's so good at her job oh

00:51:49.489 --> 00:51:51.809
my god like i i felt so comfortable and safe

00:51:51.809 --> 00:51:55.860
i hope she like got a lot of business from that

00:51:55.860 --> 00:51:59.679
yeah i i truly hope that there was some some

00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.380
good that came out of that for her i think oh

00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:04.800
god that looked incredible yeah um me too so

00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:10.360
then jen yeah that so it it appeared that jen

00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:12.300
had come straight out of therapy and sent the

00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:16.679
girls a video where she shared basically that

00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.360
she's in an incredibly dark place and she acknowledges

00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.599
that she's hurting and that maybe why she's hurt

00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.820
the other girls because i i do believe this like

00:52:27.820 --> 00:52:33.500
hurt people hurt people 100 um and i think and

00:52:33.500 --> 00:52:35.639
i'm not being sarcastic when i say this i think

00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.260
this is probably one of the most mature things

00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:40.480
jen has ever done yeah i think it's hard for

00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.699
her it's hard for her to put herself out there

00:52:43.699 --> 00:52:48.199
in a way that it's authentic yeah and accepts

00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:52.699
criticism like And put her out vulnerably. Yeah.

00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.460
Yeah. She has a hard time with that. And I think

00:52:56.460 --> 00:52:59.719
a lot of people who are going through depression

00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:03.699
feel that way, too. Like, it's just you're already

00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:05.820
hurting so bad. You don't want to be vulnerable.

00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.380
to other people to make it worse and I think

00:53:09.380 --> 00:53:11.579
that's like what she's been trying to do is like

00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:13.800
protect her peace and she shouldn't have gone

00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.099
to the extent of lying especially to her husband

00:53:16.099 --> 00:53:22.079
but at least she's like showing an ounce of accountability

00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.920
at this point like she's she's at least showing

00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.739
like I know I'm accountable I'm just going through

00:53:27.739 --> 00:53:30.460
a hard time like give me some space and some

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:32.460
time and hopefully we can like work through it

00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:38.139
type of thing and maybe Maybe obviously not at

00:53:38.139 --> 00:53:40.119
the reunion because she didn't do it there. But

00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.800
maybe after the dust settles from the way this

00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.619
season shakes out, maybe she can come back and

00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:52.579
say, let's rebuild something. Right. I can totally

00:53:52.579 --> 00:53:55.679
see her eventually coming back and being like,

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.760
hey, that was a really hard time for me. I'm

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.639
sorry I had to drag you down with me. Can we

00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.920
just like. create something new like start from

00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.480
scratch type of thing however demi's inability

00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.300
to accept an apology she did it to taylor and

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:16.400
then she turned around and immediately did it

00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.440
to jane she can't accept an apology from fucking

00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.679
anyone but i literally wrote down my god demi's

00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.260
actually going to push me to be on jen's side

00:54:26.260 --> 00:54:29.900
and that That I never thought was going to be

00:54:29.900 --> 00:54:31.699
possible because I have been very honest about

00:54:31.699 --> 00:54:34.440
how I have felt about Jen throughout this this

00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:42.760
journey. Yeah. Here's the thing. Jen sends. Let's

00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.639
take let's take feelings out of it for a second,

00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.699
like feelings about the optics of the video.

00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:52.260
Jen sends you a video where she is a broken woman.

00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:57.550
She is pregnant, pregnant. in a horrible state

00:54:57.550 --> 00:55:03.510
of mind yes and she comes to you as raw and as

00:55:03.510 --> 00:55:05.670
real as she can and this is coming from someone

00:55:05.670 --> 00:55:08.389
who does not fucking like her i do not like jen

00:55:08.389 --> 00:55:14.550
right now and she she was trying to just let

00:55:14.550 --> 00:55:18.199
meet you where she was at Yeah. And for Demi

00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:19.900
to come back and say, I think it's weird when

00:55:19.900 --> 00:55:22.500
people do crying videos. You're a bitch. She's

00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:25.219
crying because she feels emotional for how she

00:55:25.219 --> 00:55:27.900
treated you. She's crying because she realizes

00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:30.099
that she's in a dark place and she has dragged

00:55:30.099 --> 00:55:33.400
you down with her. She is crying because she

00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.380
feels things. I would go as far as to say, like,

00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:38.480
maybe I didn't even think it was about any of

00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:41.460
that. I think she was like, or maybe I think

00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:44.730
you're I take that back. I think she was crying

00:55:44.730 --> 00:55:47.670
because it was a culmination of all of those

00:55:47.670 --> 00:55:50.369
things. And then she like, I think the precipice

00:55:50.369 --> 00:55:52.230
of it was like, oh, my God, I fucked up. I fucked

00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:54.190
up so bad. I fucked up. And like, you know, you

00:55:54.190 --> 00:55:57.489
don't know where to put any other emotion. So

00:55:57.489 --> 00:55:59.510
you're just you just start crying. Plus, you're

00:55:59.510 --> 00:56:02.289
hormonal because you're pregnant. I'm crying

00:56:02.289 --> 00:56:05.050
all the time over nothing. And I think that's

00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:06.849
where Jen was at in that moment. And for Demi

00:56:06.849 --> 00:56:08.429
to come back and say, I think it's weird when

00:56:08.429 --> 00:56:10.860
people do that. You're. A mean girl asshole.

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:18.059
She is a mean girl. She is so un... She... I

00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:20.199
hope she never has to apologize for anything

00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.780
in her life because she does not deserve forgiveness

00:56:22.780 --> 00:56:26.119
after the way she has refused to forgive her

00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:30.099
own friends. No. And she goes as far as to say

00:56:30.099 --> 00:56:33.099
it's manipulative and she doesn't buy it because

00:56:33.099 --> 00:56:36.079
it's weird and cowardly to film a crying video.

00:56:37.769 --> 00:56:39.630
She didn't put it on the Internet for everyone

00:56:39.630 --> 00:56:42.409
to see. She sent it to you. She sent it to the

00:56:42.409 --> 00:56:47.789
entire group. And she said, this is why I'm here.

00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:52.289
And I feel like I've hurt people because of where

00:56:52.289 --> 00:56:54.469
I'm at. And you weren't willing to hear that.

00:56:54.550 --> 00:56:56.849
You are the problem. And I'm not willing to hear

00:56:56.849 --> 00:56:59.150
anything else from Demi. And if you didn't want

00:56:59.150 --> 00:57:04.130
to accept her apology, I would almost be OK with

00:57:04.130 --> 00:57:09.510
you saying. at least showing some kind of respect

00:57:09.510 --> 00:57:12.030
for the fact that she tried to reach out and

00:57:12.030 --> 00:57:14.710
tell you where she is and tell you why she's

00:57:14.710 --> 00:57:18.670
hurt you. I would accept you saying, well, I

00:57:18.670 --> 00:57:20.590
get that's why you hurt me, but you still hurt

00:57:20.590 --> 00:57:23.650
me and I need time to like come to terms with

00:57:23.650 --> 00:57:25.210
that. Oh my God. Yeah. If she would have said

00:57:25.210 --> 00:57:27.869
I'm not ready yet, a hundred percent, I would

00:57:27.869 --> 00:57:29.940
have been fine with it. Yeah, but you have to

00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:32.280
forgive people. Aren't you Mormon? Aren't you

00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:35.079
supposed to be forgiving? I don't understand.

00:57:35.420 --> 00:57:37.300
There's no hate like Christian love, my love.

00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.920
So then Macy calls out that she feels like anything

00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.539
that anyone says will be used against them in

00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:49.630
a future argument. talking about Demi and then

00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:52.210
Demi gets or yeah gets defensive about this I

00:57:52.210 --> 00:57:54.769
love that Macy said something because I was feeling

00:57:54.769 --> 00:57:57.610
the same way about you're not going to allow

00:57:57.610 --> 00:58:01.130
anyone in this group to be vulnerable or imperfect

00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:04.969
at all right because they can't say they're sorry

00:58:04.969 --> 00:58:09.130
but so this is the thing is like okay so Taylor

00:58:09.130 --> 00:58:12.230
is was her first and then it well it was really

00:58:12.230 --> 00:58:14.809
it was Whitney then it's Taylor and then it's

00:58:14.809 --> 00:58:18.530
like Well, it's Jen now, but then it's like,

00:58:18.570 --> 00:58:20.489
at what point do all the girls start to say,

00:58:20.550 --> 00:58:23.570
oh, none of us are safe from Demi's wrath. Like,

00:58:23.630 --> 00:58:25.789
and that's it's weird to say that. But like,

00:58:25.809 --> 00:58:30.050
yeah, it's true. That's the truth that you better

00:58:30.050 --> 00:58:33.750
not tell Demi anything. Oh, yeah. You don't want

00:58:33.750 --> 00:58:37.429
to hear in a vulnerable setting because she will

00:58:37.429 --> 00:58:40.769
use the dirtiest thing to make you feel something

00:58:40.769 --> 00:58:43.829
and try to win an argument. Right. Like you can't

00:58:43.829 --> 00:58:46.460
be vulnerable with that girl at all. By the way,

00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:50.320
she doesn't even have her own face anymore. No

00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.900
one's calling that out. Well, I think that's

00:58:53.900 --> 00:58:56.539
pretty manipulative and cowardly not to have

00:58:56.539 --> 00:58:59.860
your own face. Yeah. Oh, my God. No one's calling

00:58:59.860 --> 00:59:01.719
out the age gap between you and your husband.

00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.219
No one's calling any of this out to your face.

00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.360
Right. So why do you have to play so dirty? It's

00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:13.980
gross. The girls go to a burlesque show. I couldn't

00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:19.480
believe they did that. I. It was like an actual

00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:24.260
like burlesque show. Like, dear viewer, holes

00:59:24.260 --> 00:59:28.360
were being shown. I I've been to a burlesque

00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:29.800
show. I've never been to one in New Orleans.

00:59:30.340 --> 00:59:32.880
They get a little freaky deaky in New Orleans

00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.019
outside of burlesque shows. So everything is

00:59:36.019 --> 00:59:39.820
like, yeah. Yes. So this woman gets up on stage

00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:43.780
and. Her tits and her puss were out. Oh, yeah.

00:59:43.980 --> 00:59:47.000
And because I've every burlesque I've ever been

00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.000
to, I've seen titties at a burlesque and like

00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.599
I've but mostly it's just lingerie. Yeah, typically

00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:58.480
it is lingerie. But this girl, this girl, I am

00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.460
naked on this stage. I'm naked. I am the way

01:00:02.460 --> 01:00:07.659
God made me. And then the dancer pulls a literal

01:00:07.659 --> 01:00:12.409
joint out of her cooch. Yeah. Lights it up, takes

01:00:12.409 --> 01:00:15.570
a hit. And then she walks up to Layla and says,

01:00:15.690 --> 01:00:18.030
here. And then Layla takes a hit out of her.

01:00:18.409 --> 01:00:21.989
Did you notice who was saying, oh, her, oh, her,

01:00:21.989 --> 01:00:26.530
oh, her. Was it Jenny? Of course she did. Stupid,

01:00:26.670 --> 01:00:30.769
stupid. Yeah, it was. That was. That was a lot.

01:00:30.969 --> 01:00:36.710
A lot. Go Layla. And here's the thing is. I.

01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.340
I don't have a lot of boundaries with this stuff.

01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.500
I don't know that I could have taken a hit off

01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:48.639
the cooch joint. Yeah, that's a little intense,

01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:53.840
especially like, you don't know this woman. You

01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:58.980
didn't sign a waiver. No. No. Yeah, I don't know.

01:00:59.019 --> 01:01:04.320
I don't know. Go Layla. I was impressed. I mean,

01:01:04.340 --> 01:01:10.380
honestly, I was too. Yeah. We go back to Utah.

01:01:10.460 --> 01:01:12.760
Taylor goes to her mom's house and she talks

01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.619
about how she's not in a great headspace because

01:01:14.619 --> 01:01:16.320
of the Saints and Sinners party. She feels like

01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.119
it's better to stay home and go to therapy. I

01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:19.880
agree with her. I think Taylor is very mature

01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:23.039
for taking that stance. I think I was very grown

01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.860
up to be like, maybe I shouldn't be in New Orleans

01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:29.940
right now. Right. But also something that like

01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:34.449
it goes a step further to show that Taylor. doesn't

01:01:34.449 --> 01:01:37.150
care about the publicity of all of it because

01:01:37.150 --> 01:01:39.550
what what goes on behind the scenes and like

01:01:39.550 --> 01:01:42.070
the conversations that go on if you don't show

01:01:42.070 --> 01:01:45.650
up to events they will start to they will start

01:01:45.650 --> 01:01:47.469
to produce you out of the show like they've talked

01:01:47.469 --> 01:01:49.389
about it on the real housewives a lot like the

01:01:49.389 --> 01:01:54.809
reason that um oh fuck who was it uh mary cosby

01:01:54.809 --> 01:01:56.969
the reason mary cosby got written out of the

01:01:56.969 --> 01:02:00.929
the second second second or third season was

01:02:00.929 --> 01:02:03.900
that she didn't oh she she didn't get i'm sorry

01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:06.380
it was the third season the reason mary cosby

01:02:06.380 --> 01:02:08.219
didn't come back for season three is because

01:02:08.219 --> 01:02:11.340
she didn't show up to season two of or the season

01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:16.400
two reunion um yeah of salt lake city so this

01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:19.059
this is a very this could have very real impacts

01:02:19.059 --> 01:02:22.039
for taylor and she said my mental health is more

01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.599
important so i will i do appreciate that about

01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:28.579
her yeah Yeah. We're back in New Orleans. Jesse's

01:02:28.579 --> 01:02:30.940
doing Layla's hair and Michaela is giving Miranda

01:02:30.940 --> 01:02:35.519
lymphatic massage. It was a weird, weird scene.

01:02:35.699 --> 01:02:38.840
Yeah, it was kind of strange. I do like a lymphatic

01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:42.440
massage. Like, I believe in the idea of that.

01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:45.639
I don't know what that is. Oh, so like your lymph

01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.900
nodes. You know, the things that get swollen

01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:52.599
when you get sick, they like hold all kinds of

01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:56.320
hormones and impurities and stuff. And so a lymphatic

01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:04.239
massage is like draining that. Oh, yeah. Layla

01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:06.280
says she's a little bit high and decides now's

01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.059
the time to ask Demi if she ever sees herself

01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:11.500
being friends with Taylor again. First of all,

01:03:11.619 --> 01:03:16.510
you're not high. Secondly. What a strange thing

01:03:16.510 --> 01:03:22.409
to ask. It is. I think she's just trying. Poor

01:03:22.409 --> 01:03:24.809
Layla is trying to tow both sides of this line

01:03:24.809 --> 01:03:29.469
that's a mile wide. It is. And obviously Demi

01:03:29.469 --> 01:03:30.889
says no. She's not gonna be friends with her.

01:03:31.010 --> 01:03:33.070
I don't want them to be friends again. Honestly,

01:03:33.110 --> 01:03:34.469
I don't want anyone to be friends with Demi.

01:03:34.550 --> 01:03:41.369
No. All the girls are confused. about Demi rebuilding

01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:43.230
her relationship with Whitney and then it's kind

01:03:43.230 --> 01:03:45.230
of like there's a double standard and then Layla

01:03:45.230 --> 01:03:49.429
just starts disassociating again yeah and I have

01:03:49.429 --> 01:03:53.710
a feeling that part of this comes back to her

01:03:53.710 --> 01:03:56.130
childhood I wonder what kind of home she grew

01:03:56.130 --> 01:03:59.130
up in like I wonder if there was because I Taylor

01:03:59.130 --> 01:04:00.710
my cousin Taylor and I have talked a lot about

01:04:00.710 --> 01:04:06.190
this where when fights are happening around us

01:04:06.190 --> 01:04:08.590
that we're not directly involved in we will start

01:04:08.590 --> 01:04:11.599
to do exactly what Layla's doing where we will

01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.519
just stare off into space and we will not know

01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.000
what's going on around us because we don't want

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.539
to deal with it. Yeah, I think she just doesn't

01:04:17.539 --> 01:04:21.099
want to be involved in any of it. Right. And

01:04:21.099 --> 01:04:25.719
then let's see. Demi is willing to die on the

01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.599
hill of believing Taylor is the problem. I believe

01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:32.000
that this is because Demi wants to be the leader

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.309
of the group and make the most money. That's

01:04:34.309 --> 01:04:36.010
really what it boils down to. Oh, 100%. Yes.

01:04:36.070 --> 01:04:38.210
She can't have any grace for Taylor because if

01:04:38.210 --> 01:04:40.469
that's true, then Taylor will remain the leader

01:04:40.469 --> 01:04:45.110
of mom talk. Right. And maybe Taylor does chase

01:04:45.110 --> 01:04:49.110
chaos. Maybe she does. But do you think for one

01:04:49.110 --> 01:04:53.769
second that you are not guilty of that also,

01:04:53.869 --> 01:04:57.170
Demi? That's all you're doing. All of the girls

01:04:57.170 --> 01:04:59.210
there are guilty of that. It's like the clout

01:04:59.210 --> 01:05:02.090
chasing argument. Oh, my God. Don't don't get

01:05:02.090 --> 01:05:05.699
me started. Like, that's what you're there to

01:05:05.699 --> 01:05:11.619
do. Speaking of what they're there to do, we

01:05:11.619 --> 01:05:13.840
cut to the next morning where Layla comes down.

01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.940
Oh, this is messy, messy. This this was actually

01:05:18.940 --> 01:05:23.300
hard to watch. Yeah. So Layla comes down with

01:05:23.300 --> 01:05:27.320
a Walgreens bag full of. pregnancy test and says

01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:29.880
let's play pregnancy roulette and i feel like

01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.539
i vaguely remember this being a trend on tiktok

01:05:32.539 --> 01:05:39.119
yeah it was okay it was and macy starts panicking

01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:40.300
because she's like i'm not ready to tell the

01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:42.440
girls i'm pregnant she wanted to do it on her

01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:46.860
terms yeah sure and this is something i didn't

01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:48.480
expect from layla of all people but she's like

01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:49.900
it'll be fine it'll be fine it'll be fine and

01:05:49.900 --> 01:05:52.829
like pressured the girls into doing it I remember

01:05:52.829 --> 01:05:55.369
how I said she kind of just doesn't think before

01:05:55.369 --> 01:05:57.650
she speaks. I think she just really wanted to

01:05:57.650 --> 01:06:01.289
do it. And like, she just doesn't think about

01:06:01.289 --> 01:06:03.829
the implications of what she's doing or saying.

01:06:04.110 --> 01:06:08.869
And part of me wonders. Did production put her

01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:12.949
up to this a little bit? Yeah. What car do you

01:06:12.949 --> 01:06:14.590
think she used to go buy all those pregnancy

01:06:14.590 --> 01:06:17.809
tests? OK, OK. You know what I mean? I agree.

01:06:19.110 --> 01:06:23.650
So Michaela is the first one to pull out. Wait.

01:06:23.869 --> 01:06:25.550
Yeah, I'm sorry. Michaela pulls out the first

01:06:25.550 --> 01:06:31.389
positive test. And. That's how we come to find

01:06:31.389 --> 01:06:36.469
out Michaela is also pregnant. Yeah. Well, yeah,

01:06:36.610 --> 01:06:39.190
when they're talking about it later, because

01:06:39.190 --> 01:06:44.769
there are two there are two positive tests. She

01:06:44.769 --> 01:06:47.849
tells Macy like in the privacy of their room.

01:06:48.010 --> 01:06:50.610
She's also in a confessional, too. Yeah. Yeah.

01:06:50.630 --> 01:06:56.039
Yeah. And then I will give Demi this one. Of

01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.360
course, she's the one to pull out the second

01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:02.920
positive one. Yeah, that that was hard to watch.

01:07:03.099 --> 01:07:05.920
And that really, really, really sucked because

01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:12.019
she has been. She has been trying to get pregnant

01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:15.699
and she starts crying. She has a full blown meltdown

01:07:15.699 --> 01:07:21.780
and. I had to take another positive test. Yes.

01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.219
And and like I'm sorry, she had to take another

01:07:25.219 --> 01:07:27.699
pregnancy test, which obviously came out negative.

01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:31.300
So that confirmed because neither Michaela nor

01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:34.860
Macy were willing to, like, give up their right

01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:38.659
to tell the girls how they wanted to. And even

01:07:38.659 --> 01:07:40.559
if one of them did, they would have had to do

01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:44.639
both of them. And so they. Yeah, that was hard.

01:07:45.309 --> 01:07:49.610
And so Demi did think for a minute it could be

01:07:49.610 --> 01:07:52.070
her. And so then she had to go take another pregnancy

01:07:52.070 --> 01:07:55.309
test and see the negative and be like heartbroken.

01:07:55.630 --> 01:07:58.489
Yeah. I will say I hate Demi right now. That

01:07:58.489 --> 01:08:01.590
really was hard to watch. Can I say something

01:08:01.590 --> 01:08:04.570
a little insensitive? Please. If you're struggling

01:08:04.570 --> 01:08:06.849
with your fertility and you're actively trying

01:08:06.849 --> 01:08:10.789
to have a baby, why are you not sitting in the

01:08:10.789 --> 01:08:14.800
bathroom? After you take your pregnancy test

01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.640
until you see the results of said pregnancy test

01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:24.939
before you put it in the roulette. OK, I'll get

01:08:24.939 --> 01:08:27.800
I'll go one step further and I would if I were

01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.779
Demi, I would have said I'm flat out not willing

01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:33.800
to participate in this game. 100 percent. Number

01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.819
one, it's a game. But if you're going to do it,

01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.689
I just feel like. To avoid all of this pain that

01:08:40.689 --> 01:08:42.810
you've experienced time and time and time again

01:08:42.810 --> 01:08:46.369
with a negative test and not knowing, I would

01:08:46.369 --> 01:08:49.050
have known my result before I ever put it back

01:08:49.050 --> 01:08:52.630
in the bag. Oh, 100%. Like, I don't know why

01:08:52.630 --> 01:08:56.210
she let it actually be a roulette. And like,

01:08:56.270 --> 01:08:59.829
because this is like the obvious outcome. They're

01:08:59.829 --> 01:09:01.649
always pregnant in this group. There was going

01:09:01.649 --> 01:09:03.989
to be somebody. My God, I've never seen a group

01:09:03.989 --> 01:09:05.689
of pregnant people like this before in my life.

01:09:08.980 --> 01:09:12.760
So Jesse goes in to comfort Demi, who is now

01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:17.079
a complete and total wreck. And I thought this

01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:18.520
was big of Jesse because they're going through

01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.560
their own stuff right now. Yeah, I do too. This

01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:23.420
is where Demi starts to lose me, where she's

01:09:23.420 --> 01:09:26.039
like, I try so hard to consider everyone else's

01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:28.239
feelings and everyone's so flippant about mine.

01:09:28.460 --> 01:09:30.899
And I was like, you have never considered another

01:09:30.899 --> 01:09:34.520
person's feelings in your life. Never. Not once.

01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:39.699
No. So then. Macy tells Michaela that she's also

01:09:39.699 --> 01:09:42.500
pregnant and she's like two weeks ahead of her.

01:09:42.819 --> 01:09:45.100
They tell each other they're pregnant. It's very

01:09:45.100 --> 01:09:46.939
sweet and cute. But then they have to go tell

01:09:46.939 --> 01:09:50.319
Demi and it's like they almost feel like ashamed

01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:54.279
because Demi's going through it. Exactly. However,

01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:58.439
Miss Fan Favorite can go to all of her fans to

01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:03.159
feel better. She can. I just. We go back to.

01:10:03.869 --> 01:10:06.029
We go back home where Taylor tells us she's deciding

01:10:06.029 --> 01:10:08.329
it's time to break things off with Dakota. And

01:10:08.329 --> 01:10:10.909
she feels at peace with that situation. And did

01:10:10.909 --> 01:10:14.310
we ever see them break up? No. And it's just

01:10:14.310 --> 01:10:16.210
like, I feel like I've heard that from her a

01:10:16.210 --> 01:10:18.210
million times. A million times. Like, how done

01:10:18.210 --> 01:10:20.270
are you actually? Are you going to stop sleeping

01:10:20.270 --> 01:10:24.710
with him? Are you going to stop leading him on?

01:10:24.949 --> 01:10:29.770
No. Because, like, what do you mean by breaking

01:10:29.770 --> 01:10:32.470
things off? You're already not together technically.

01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:38.420
So we'll see. So we go back to New Orleans. The

01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:41.159
girls are running around. They go to Cafe Du

01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:46.140
Monde and eat beignets. And they look so good.

01:10:46.340 --> 01:10:48.380
I want one. I love them. Have you been there?

01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.500
Oh, yeah. I want one so bad. They have a Cafe

01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:53.819
Du Monde. They have like the the one you envision,

01:10:54.020 --> 01:10:56.920
the one Kim Kardashian went to, the big one on

01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.859
Jackson Square. But then they also have a location

01:10:59.859 --> 01:11:03.359
like. In their city park. There are locations

01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.260
that are like indoors. They're all delicious.

01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:10.060
Rarely will you find a bad beignet, especially

01:11:10.060 --> 01:11:14.239
in New Orleans. They're so good. I love that.

01:11:14.340 --> 01:11:17.279
And I will be eating them next week. I am so

01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:20.800
excited for you. By the dozen. Jessie decides

01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:22.939
that it's time to pull Demi aside while they're

01:11:22.939 --> 01:11:25.340
walking around a market. And she wants to hear

01:11:25.340 --> 01:11:28.760
Demi's side of the story. Of course, Demi presents

01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:32.119
it in the best way she possibly can. And Jessie

01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.140
feels like she's being taken advantage of because

01:11:34.140 --> 01:11:37.279
she does everyone's hair for free. And that's

01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:39.420
I didn't realize that, but that's completely

01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:45.359
valid. And I wouldn't be doing that. I just got

01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.579
to tell you, I if they were like my best friends.

01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.300
Yeah. She walks away from the conversation saying

01:11:52.300 --> 01:11:55.739
she doesn't feel better and that maybe the move

01:11:55.739 --> 01:11:59.199
is to put up a wall and keep some distance between

01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.000
her and Demi. And I think everyone should put

01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:03.100
up a wall around Demi and leave Demi inside of

01:12:03.100 --> 01:12:06.060
the wall. Yet again, Jesse being mature and emotionally

01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:09.560
intelligent and realizing Demi can't own her

01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.659
mistakes. And so she'll just distance herself.

01:12:14.230 --> 01:12:17.529
The girls go back to the house and they start

01:12:17.529 --> 01:12:20.529
to unpack a little bit about the Mormon church.

01:12:20.750 --> 01:12:22.670
And then Jesse acknowledges that the church is

01:12:22.670 --> 01:12:27.949
a little culty. And this brought me back to the

01:12:27.949 --> 01:12:30.409
Nazarene church because I was like, ooh, we are

01:12:30.409 --> 01:12:32.250
going to talk about this one day because there's

01:12:32.250 --> 01:12:35.369
a lot there. So many people have had that awakening.

01:12:35.430 --> 01:12:40.670
My dad grew up Catholic. He's an atheist. My

01:12:40.670 --> 01:12:44.989
mom, too, actually. Oh, love that. Jesse says

01:12:44.989 --> 01:12:47.609
she doesn't really believe some of the stuff

01:12:47.609 --> 01:12:49.350
in the Book of Mormon, but she feels comfortable.

01:12:49.970 --> 01:12:54.770
And she also feels uncomfortable about the sealing

01:12:54.770 --> 01:12:57.329
and marriage situation in the church. And they

01:12:57.329 --> 01:12:59.310
talk about this a little bit on The Real Housewives

01:12:59.310 --> 01:13:01.609
of Salt Lake City, too. I guess the long and

01:13:01.609 --> 01:13:04.869
short of it is if you get married in the Mormon

01:13:04.869 --> 01:13:08.609
temple, your marriage is sealed. in the eyes

01:13:08.609 --> 01:13:11.109
of god and as long as it's sealed regardless

01:13:11.109 --> 01:13:13.670
of what happens in yeah it doesn't matter if

01:13:13.670 --> 01:13:17.189
you get divorced or anything yeah and that to

01:13:17.189 --> 01:13:20.949
me feels uncomfortable but then if it's unsealed

01:13:20.949 --> 01:13:23.770
you're unsealed from your entire family so like

01:13:23.770 --> 01:13:25.810
and this is this is where i come back to with

01:13:25.810 --> 01:13:27.390
like the religion thing where it's like there's

01:13:27.390 --> 01:13:29.810
always that big bad boogie man like in the afterlife

01:13:29.810 --> 01:13:37.149
to scare you because i uh because it like in

01:13:37.149 --> 01:13:39.250
uh it was i think it was miranda's situation

01:13:39.250 --> 01:13:43.310
they her husband unsealed the marriage to get

01:13:43.310 --> 01:13:46.710
sealed to another person it was i don't know

01:13:46.710 --> 01:13:49.409
miranda's marriage is unsealed so now miranda

01:13:49.409 --> 01:13:51.750
is told that she's not sealed to her children

01:13:51.750 --> 01:13:54.289
in the afterlife right yeah that's what it is

01:13:54.289 --> 01:13:58.409
sick yeah because it's like you're in in some

01:13:58.409 --> 01:14:00.930
religions you're told like oh in the afterlife

01:14:00.930 --> 01:14:02.430
you don't know who anyone is and you're just

01:14:02.430 --> 01:14:03.850
a floating ball of light in heaven or whatever

01:14:03.850 --> 01:14:07.729
and it's like Heather Gay talks about how her

01:14:07.729 --> 01:14:09.289
family always said there's never going to be

01:14:09.289 --> 01:14:13.569
empty chairs at the in heaven when she gets there.

01:14:13.630 --> 01:14:15.930
And now she feels like because she's not in that

01:14:15.930 --> 01:14:18.229
religion anymore, she feels a sense of loss there.

01:14:18.569 --> 01:14:23.260
And I hate that. Yeah. Why are you like. You're

01:14:23.260 --> 01:14:25.399
already going through struggle and strife in

01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:28.800
your living life. And now you're also creating

01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:32.239
stress about your afterlife. I just can't. But

01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:33.760
that's the thing about religion that gets me

01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:35.720
so much is like, oh, my God, we're all so obsessed

01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.699
with dying. Seriously, you are so worried about

01:14:39.699 --> 01:14:42.659
what happens when you die. And it's like ruining

01:14:42.659 --> 01:14:47.289
your actual life. OK, I'm sorry. So the Miranda

01:14:47.289 --> 01:14:49.430
situation, she does explain that her husband

01:14:49.430 --> 01:14:51.510
removed himself from the church, which is what

01:14:51.510 --> 01:14:54.369
broke the seal from her. But because you have

01:14:54.369 --> 01:14:59.010
to have a man to be sealed to, she's no longer

01:14:59.010 --> 01:15:00.949
sealed to her children in the eyes of the church.

01:15:01.489 --> 01:15:05.189
And that I just can't subscribe to that. That's

01:15:05.189 --> 01:15:07.789
so sick. Yeah. They literally have your DNA.

01:15:07.810 --> 01:15:10.250
Like, I just can't subscribe to that way of thinking.

01:15:10.369 --> 01:15:13.289
I can't. I understand it's their religion, but

01:15:13.289 --> 01:15:16.470
like that. Has to cause you such pain. And for

01:15:16.470 --> 01:15:21.989
what? Yes. The girls go to a vampire dinner.

01:15:22.590 --> 01:15:29.229
Yeah. It was so weird. I will say in the opening

01:15:29.229 --> 01:15:31.670
shots walking there, I've never seen anyone look

01:15:31.670 --> 01:15:35.170
as incredible as Macy does. I know. My God. She

01:15:35.170 --> 01:15:37.989
was eating that up. My God. I still remember

01:15:37.989 --> 01:15:43.340
what she looked like. Yeah. What a woman. so

01:15:43.340 --> 01:15:45.239
the restaurant they get you have you are there

01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:47.060
a lot of places like this in new orleans like

01:15:47.060 --> 01:15:50.979
it feels like it's like they like the occult

01:15:50.979 --> 01:15:54.079
is what i'll say it's not like they like halloween

01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:56.319
or anything like that but they like they lean

01:15:56.319 --> 01:16:00.460
into that like demons vampires that type of thing

01:16:00.460 --> 01:16:02.600
they think everything is haunted all the time

01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.180
obviously there's like voodoo and stuff like

01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:08.119
that but that's like Not really fucked with as

01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:11.460
much. I mean, it's yeah, it's a touristy thing,

01:16:11.539 --> 01:16:14.579
too. Sure. And I've never been to a place like

01:16:14.579 --> 01:16:16.539
that, but that I have always known people who

01:16:16.539 --> 01:16:19.539
live there. So, like, that's why this kind of

01:16:19.539 --> 01:16:24.180
place feels like a tourist trap. So they they

01:16:24.180 --> 01:16:26.960
go in. It's witchy. It's vampire or whatever.

01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:29.600
The waiter comes out and he's wearing fangs.

01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:33.460
yeah and the drinks are in blood bags and like

01:16:33.460 --> 01:16:36.659
okay like whatever but then he says like there's

01:16:36.659 --> 01:16:38.800
virgin blood in the drinks and i know it was

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.579
probably just fruit punch or whatever yeah it's

01:16:41.579 --> 01:16:44.359
i wouldn't have been able to drink whatever the

01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.220
drink was because i wouldn't have been able to

01:16:46.220 --> 01:16:48.239
get past that mental block i have a thing about

01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:49.840
that like and i wouldn't have been able to do

01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.699
that yeah it's weird I don't know. And you would

01:16:53.699 --> 01:16:56.880
think like as super religious people, like Mormons,

01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:00.739
they would be like, oh, I can't even like say

01:17:00.739 --> 01:17:04.699
I'm doing that. Oh, I'm I agree. It's shocking

01:17:04.699 --> 01:17:09.560
to me that they like were into that. I didn't

01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:14.899
like it. Demi is a demon monster and the other

01:17:14.899 --> 01:17:17.649
girls are starting to see it like because. And

01:17:17.649 --> 01:17:19.829
at this point, it feels like it's becoming an

01:17:19.829 --> 01:17:21.970
obsession with Demi where it's like, I have to

01:17:21.970 --> 01:17:23.170
talk about Taylor. I have to talk about Taylor.

01:17:23.409 --> 01:17:26.569
It's like a tick almost. Yes. Well, yeah, she's

01:17:26.569 --> 01:17:28.970
like on this train of trying to replace Taylor.

01:17:29.069 --> 01:17:33.270
So she like keeps driving into it. Can't stop

01:17:33.270 --> 01:17:35.329
talking about Taylor, especially when Taylor's

01:17:35.329 --> 01:17:39.210
not there. Oh, no, because like, God forbid you

01:17:39.210 --> 01:17:41.470
ever stand on your own business. But that's neither

01:17:41.470 --> 01:17:43.630
here nor there. Yeah. If Taylor can defend herself,

01:17:43.810 --> 01:17:46.489
then you're scared. So what now? So what now?

01:17:47.719 --> 01:17:51.359
But what now is episode 10, the season finale,

01:17:51.779 --> 01:17:56.260
the book of salvation. Oh, yeah, baby. We're

01:17:56.260 --> 01:17:59.979
almost there. Listener. OK, so we open the episode.

01:18:00.220 --> 01:18:04.119
Layla brings Taylor a beignet kit. Yeah. If I

01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.180
don't receive a beignet kit from you when you

01:18:06.180 --> 01:18:08.779
come back from New Orleans, I will kill myself.

01:18:09.020 --> 01:18:11.239
Just so you can get them all over the place.

01:18:11.300 --> 01:18:16.470
I'll get you. So. Layla does feel like she needs

01:18:16.470 --> 01:18:18.430
to make up for not fully having Taylor's back.

01:18:19.590 --> 01:18:24.010
And this. The more and more I think about the

01:18:24.010 --> 01:18:27.329
way the rest of this scene went, Taylor's mom

01:18:27.329 --> 01:18:32.369
has to be talking to production directly. You

01:18:32.369 --> 01:18:35.909
would say there's no doubt in my mind. And I

01:18:35.909 --> 01:18:38.949
think they're doing her dirty because like they

01:18:38.949 --> 01:18:42.180
are. Putting her in situations where she looks

01:18:42.180 --> 01:18:43.659
like the idiot and they're not telling her how

01:18:43.659 --> 01:18:48.800
to handle it. So Taylor's mom shows up and she

01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:53.699
they're talking about the Christmas party that

01:18:53.699 --> 01:18:59.319
Demi's hosting and. Taylor's like, I guess like,

01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:01.479
like I've, I've bought all the stuff for, and

01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:03.439
Layla's like, you're not invited, babe. What

01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:06.020
are you talking about? And we find out like she

01:19:06.020 --> 01:19:08.800
was accidentally invited, which that's a real

01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:12.439
kick in the dick. But Taylor's mom is sitting

01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:19.000
there. She's like, I could go. She's so weird.

01:19:19.500 --> 01:19:22.239
Desperate to be on that show. She wants all the

01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:26.119
screen time possible, but she also is like, If

01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:29.359
my mom acted like that on TV or not, I would

01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:37.819
be so humiliated. Oh, to say the least. Knowing

01:19:37.819 --> 01:19:41.659
how this shakes out, though, I'm kind of OK with

01:19:41.659 --> 01:19:44.960
Leanne offering to insert herself. I don't know

01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:49.619
that I am. But I also am obviously not like Taylor,

01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:51.880
because if my mom would have even said, well,

01:19:51.939 --> 01:19:55.359
I can show up, I would have been like. No, you

01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:58.819
won't. No, please don't. Denise would not have

01:19:58.819 --> 01:20:01.319
known that this party was happening. No, but

01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:05.039
like, I don't know. That's the difference between

01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.060
me and Taylor, I guess. I would have been like,

01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:10.479
hard no. Absolutely not. Why does she want to

01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.380
deal with her grown daughter's problems for her?

01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:15.119
Make her face it. She doesn't want to deal with

01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:18.020
the problems. She wants to be on TV. Yeah. I

01:20:18.020 --> 01:20:20.479
think that's a universal truth we all need to

01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:25.460
accept. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So we get to

01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:29.340
the Christmas party. I hate it that Demi looks

01:20:29.340 --> 01:20:31.479
gorgeous. Like she looks really good. She looks

01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:33.640
stunning at the Christmas party. It pissed me

01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:37.079
off. There's a champagne toast and Demi says,

01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:38.779
I feel like there's going to be minimal drama

01:20:38.779 --> 01:20:42.439
because Taylor's not here. Then Leanne immediately

01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:49.159
walks in holding a gift. Yeah. Hi, Leanne. We

01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:53.380
get a flashback to. Leanne calling Whitney and

01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:55.539
saying, why didn't you show up to Taylor's baby

01:20:55.539 --> 01:20:59.159
shower? And this is also embarrassing for Taylor.

01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:04.939
Yeah. Weird. Leanne and Demi go to sit down and

01:21:04.939 --> 01:21:09.659
talk and. So I'm conflicted about this. I know

01:21:09.659 --> 01:21:12.939
I've given Leanne a lot of shit and like I think

01:21:12.939 --> 01:21:18.220
she deserves it most of the time. I. If you look

01:21:18.220 --> 01:21:22.810
at it in for nothing else, but. this is a mom

01:21:22.810 --> 01:21:26.409
who's willing to show up for her daughter sure

01:21:26.409 --> 01:21:32.130
sure i do think that that's not quite what this

01:21:32.130 --> 01:21:35.010
is but like i will say maybe that was part of

01:21:35.010 --> 01:21:37.350
it maybe that's why taylor was so desperate not

01:21:37.350 --> 01:21:39.989
not i think taylor's been desperate for her mom

01:21:39.989 --> 01:21:42.510
to defend her for most of her life and i think

01:21:42.510 --> 01:21:44.850
maybe this is why taylor was like i'll give her

01:21:44.850 --> 01:21:49.770
that whatever i don't know yeah i mean it's Obviously,

01:21:49.789 --> 01:21:52.090
you'd love to see a mom standing up for her daughter,

01:21:52.170 --> 01:21:57.289
but it's like, I don't know. Doing it in the

01:21:57.289 --> 01:21:59.489
most dramatic way possible to be on TV makes

01:21:59.489 --> 01:22:03.930
it a little less genuine to me. But what's even

01:22:03.930 --> 01:22:08.149
more awkward than Leanne's mom showing up? I'm

01:22:08.149 --> 01:22:10.489
sorry, what's even more awkward than Leanne showing

01:22:10.489 --> 01:22:13.409
up to talk to Demi is Whitney walking over to

01:22:13.409 --> 01:22:17.649
have Demi's back. Whitney needs to mind her business.

01:22:18.109 --> 01:22:20.890
Honest to God. Whitney, you're invited to this

01:22:20.890 --> 01:22:24.270
party. Leave well enough alone. Yeah, please

01:22:24.270 --> 01:22:31.909
be grateful for your seat and go away. So Demi

01:22:31.909 --> 01:22:34.149
talks about how she's also been a single mom

01:22:34.149 --> 01:22:37.850
in the past when when it comes up like Taylor

01:22:37.850 --> 01:22:41.000
doesn't feel supported. And then. She's comparing

01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:42.720
herself to Taylor, talking about how she's also

01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:44.140
been a single mom. And then we get to Jessie

01:22:44.140 --> 01:22:46.060
saying, Demi was a single mom for one month.

01:22:47.180 --> 01:22:50.579
That made me cackle when I watched it. I was

01:22:50.579 --> 01:22:53.619
so dead. And what I appreciate about Jessie is

01:22:53.619 --> 01:22:57.640
she's not going to let you get it. Not after

01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.779
you talk shit about her business. Tell it like

01:23:00.779 --> 01:23:05.119
it is, Jessie. Brett was kind of standing over

01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:07.039
on the sidelines. And what I do appreciate about

01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:10.779
Brett that I don't think a lot of. husbands on

01:23:10.779 --> 01:23:15.359
reality tv especially real housewives um he did

01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:18.800
what a lot of them don't do is that he was over

01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.800
just kind of letting the conversation play out

01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:24.840
how it was going to he never once said oh look

01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.659
at those women over there doing women things

01:23:26.659 --> 01:23:29.260
like he just said i'm staying out of it entirely

01:23:29.260 --> 01:23:33.100
and only inserted himself when santa shows up

01:23:33.100 --> 01:23:38.550
and that was and part of me is like Could he

01:23:38.550 --> 01:23:40.609
have done a better job defending his wife? Maybe.

01:23:41.289 --> 01:23:44.189
I don't think it was his place to defend her.

01:23:44.250 --> 01:23:46.430
I think she was having a conversation with another

01:23:46.430 --> 01:23:49.829
grown woman and she can hold her own in that.

01:23:50.850 --> 01:23:55.069
Yeah. Leanne decides it's time to head out and

01:23:55.069 --> 01:24:01.210
Demi says to Leanne, I haven't even pulled out

01:24:01.210 --> 01:24:06.350
the boxing gloves yet. She's so petty. Well,

01:24:06.369 --> 01:24:10.720
and this is where I'm like, Okay, so you're going

01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:14.359
out of your way to, like, to annihilate her entire

01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:19.500
family at this point. Yeah. I think that if you

01:24:19.500 --> 01:24:21.039
were going to be an asshole to Leanne, you should

01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:22.680
have said you're not welcome here. I'm not. It's

01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:23.899
not a conversation I'm willing to participate

01:24:23.899 --> 01:24:25.819
in. You sit down with her. You have the conversation.

01:24:25.899 --> 01:24:27.880
You basically say your daughter's a cunt. How

01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.640
dare you show up and defend her? And you're this

01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:32.420
is Taylor not being willing to show up and like

01:24:32.420 --> 01:24:34.739
fight her own battles. And now you're saying,

01:24:34.819 --> 01:24:36.939
oh, I haven't even pulled up the box. What are

01:24:36.939 --> 01:24:38.300
you going to do? Tell me what you're going to

01:24:38.300 --> 01:24:42.460
do. If you had anything to say, you had an hour

01:24:42.460 --> 01:24:45.760
to say it while you were talking to Leanne. Right.

01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:50.600
And. So Leanne leaves in tears and then all the

01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:53.479
women kind of rally around and like hug Leanne

01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:55.819
and say like, yeah, that was kind of fucked up

01:24:55.819 --> 01:24:59.659
and disrespectful. Yeah, that was a lot. Demi

01:24:59.659 --> 01:25:02.399
decides it's time to open the gift and it ends

01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:04.920
up being a PR box from Jay -Z Styles. Yes. Jay

01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.319
-Z had no idea what was in that box and I think

01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:10.680
that made it even better. I know, 100%. Was it

01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:13.500
petty? Yes, but this wouldn't have been a thing

01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:15.720
if you wouldn't have put yourself in that situation,

01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:20.220
you asshole. It was meant to be petty and you

01:25:20.220 --> 01:25:23.060
made it. You were petty first. You can't get

01:25:23.060 --> 01:25:24.899
mad at someone for being petty when you were

01:25:24.899 --> 01:25:26.779
petty with them. And P .S., you just screamed

01:25:26.779 --> 01:25:31.380
at their mom. Yes. So then Demi says we should

01:25:31.380 --> 01:25:32.899
all have a board meeting to figure out who's

01:25:32.899 --> 01:25:37.000
in and who's out of mom talk. Of course. Of course

01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:42.060
she does. Next scene, Macy goes to visit her

01:25:42.060 --> 01:25:46.859
former boyfriend, Eric's parents. This made me

01:25:46.859 --> 01:25:52.340
cry and cry and cry. I yeah. This is also when

01:25:52.340 --> 01:25:55.819
they visit the crash site, right? It comes later.

01:25:56.760 --> 01:26:03.239
So. We find out that Macy's been super open with

01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:08.060
her son Hudson about his dad and. Yeah, because

01:26:08.060 --> 01:26:10.079
Eric has passed away. For those who don't know

01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:11.800
what we're talking about. Right. Eric passed

01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:14.800
away in a car accident. And she tells Eric's

01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.640
mom that she wants to share this story in her

01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:20.180
book, but she feels like she hasn't fully grieved

01:26:20.180 --> 01:26:23.279
about losing him. And she shares that she hasn't

01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:26.939
even been to the crash site yet. Yeah. Eric's

01:26:26.939 --> 01:26:31.779
mom is incredibly sweet. And I feel like for

01:26:31.779 --> 01:26:35.699
a mom that lost her kid to be able to a come

01:26:35.699 --> 01:26:40.220
on camera. And B, talk about this and hold it

01:26:40.220 --> 01:26:43.600
together the way she did. That's pretty incredible.

01:26:44.020 --> 01:26:49.640
Yeah. And then she encourages Macy to to kind

01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:52.159
of work through the grieving and then to just

01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:54.300
live because that's what Eric would have wanted.

01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:57.960
I think everyone at some point says that to people

01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.899
that, you know, like. have lost someone but like

01:27:01.899 --> 01:27:05.060
yeah but you do have to face it because it's

01:27:05.060 --> 01:27:08.539
so easy to just like give up you know what I

01:27:08.539 --> 01:27:14.279
mean right yeah um Dakota picks Everett from

01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:17.659
Leanne's house and he says that being apart from

01:27:17.659 --> 01:27:21.539
Taylor is what's best right now great I'm glad

01:27:21.539 --> 01:27:23.279
you think that I'm glad you're telling us you

01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:29.840
think that yeah okay anyway anyway Yeah, so then

01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:36.020
we go to Jesse's salon. Jesse gives us an update

01:27:36.020 --> 01:27:40.319
about her thyroid. I didn't realize they have

01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:42.239
to like slit your throat open to do that surgery.

01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:44.979
Yeah, your thyroid's like right here. I don't

01:27:44.979 --> 01:27:48.020
know where I thought your thyroid was, but yeah,

01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:51.899
so luckily everything came back clean. Jesse's

01:27:51.899 --> 01:27:55.840
got a clean bill of health. Macy shows up to

01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:58.550
get extensions for her mom and. Jessie immediately

01:27:58.550 --> 01:28:01.789
knows exactly what kind of extensions her mom

01:28:01.789 --> 01:28:04.029
needs. Oh, the way she walked in and she was

01:28:04.029 --> 01:28:06.090
like, oh, well, your mom uses this and this.

01:28:06.229 --> 01:28:09.369
I thought that was so sweet. Like, it made me

01:28:09.369 --> 01:28:11.489
feel safe. You can tell that she, like, genuinely

01:28:11.489 --> 01:28:13.989
cares about hair. Like, she's passionate about

01:28:13.989 --> 01:28:17.350
it and she applies herself to it. I agree. And

01:28:17.350 --> 01:28:18.930
then they start to unpack the situation with

01:28:18.930 --> 01:28:21.890
Demi and they both agree that Demi's not being

01:28:21.890 --> 01:28:27.239
a good friend. Yeah. I think. Those are the two

01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:30.199
most mature people like in this whole show, Macy

01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:33.359
and Jesse. Million percent. Yes. And for them

01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:37.159
to sit down and be like, I can't really give

01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:40.800
any grace to Demi. Both of them speaks volumes

01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:44.319
like she's not being a good person. I agree.

01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:48.800
We cut to the mom talk meeting at Jesse's house.

01:28:49.220 --> 01:28:54.350
Mm hmm. All the girls show up and then before

01:28:54.350 --> 01:28:55.949
Taylor, but then Taylor shows up a little bit

01:28:55.949 --> 01:28:58.590
late. It is as awkward as anything has ever been.

01:28:58.909 --> 01:29:01.850
Yeah. I guess Taylor and Demi haven't talked

01:29:01.850 --> 01:29:06.210
since the Saints and Sinners party. And they

01:29:06.210 --> 01:29:12.630
all sit down, talk. And there's kind of a consensus

01:29:12.630 --> 01:29:16.090
that mom talk as an existing in the spirit in

01:29:16.090 --> 01:29:19.729
which it was originally intended. Yeah. Which.

01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:23.359
it's true and they're not having fun anymore

01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:25.960
and i think that's right i'm glad that they acknowledge

01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:29.000
that it was supposed to be a fun thing and they're

01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.340
not supposed to be posting tiktoks and uplifting

01:29:32.340 --> 01:29:35.079
each other i feel like if anything they became

01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:39.800
like too close for comfort where like they're

01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.460
having trouble uplifting each other partially

01:29:42.460 --> 01:29:47.149
because they are like best friends now or like

01:29:47.149 --> 01:29:50.390
at least acting like best friends right and it's

01:29:50.390 --> 01:29:54.810
like you can't like keep them at an arm's length

01:29:54.810 --> 01:29:58.250
when you when you're so close yeah it's not business

01:29:58.250 --> 01:30:03.189
anymore right and it's like it's obvious they're

01:30:03.189 --> 01:30:05.090
not having fun and so i'm glad that they were

01:30:05.090 --> 01:30:06.789
like aware enough to bring that to attention

01:30:06.789 --> 01:30:13.699
right um miranda is Like her name comes up and

01:30:13.699 --> 01:30:15.039
the girls agree to give her a little bit more

01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:17.260
time to become part of the group. I thought that

01:30:17.260 --> 01:30:19.560
was fair since she didn't really like have much

01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:22.659
of a storyline this season. We didn't hear from

01:30:22.659 --> 01:30:26.479
her that much. Sure. I don't know. I like Miranda.

01:30:26.859 --> 01:30:28.800
I like her too. I like her a lot. I would have

01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:30.640
been happy if they voted her and I just thought

01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:35.319
like, OK, that makes sense. Whitney comes up

01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:39.529
and. taylor's response actually shocked me a

01:30:39.529 --> 01:30:41.109
little bit because she said she felt like she

01:30:41.109 --> 01:30:43.909
was the only one that stuck up for her and yeah

01:30:43.909 --> 01:30:47.409
that has backfired on her so she's not voting

01:30:47.409 --> 01:30:52.850
yes but she's like whatever and the rest of the

01:30:52.850 --> 01:30:55.789
girls say okay whatever so majority rules and

01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:59.880
She's back in mom talk. Whitney has never been

01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:02.619
happier. She was over the moon. She was happier

01:31:02.619 --> 01:31:05.619
about this than she was about her baby. I'm telling

01:31:05.619 --> 01:31:09.760
you. She was thrilled. I was honestly like, this

01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:16.859
is mental illness. Taylor says that Demi shouldn't

01:31:16.859 --> 01:31:19.359
be part of the group, though. And Demi is as

01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:24.699
hateful as anyone has ever been to Taylor. brings

01:31:24.699 --> 01:31:30.260
the venom out it was this was ugly like ugly

01:31:30.260 --> 01:31:34.399
and this all comes back to the ultimatum that

01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:36.159
she gave the group where she said if taylor's

01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:38.619
in i'm out yeah she didn't think taylor was gonna

01:31:38.619 --> 01:31:41.600
find out about this which is so stupid how can

01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:43.539
you think taylor's not gonna find out you said

01:31:43.539 --> 01:31:46.460
that right sorry so demi calls taylor disgusting

01:31:46.460 --> 01:31:49.840
human being and when Not a single soul backs

01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:51.899
her up. Of course, she immediately starts crying.

01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.119
And of course, she throws herself on the cross

01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:56.340
talking about how how she's such a good friend.

01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.180
And she would be fighting to the death for any

01:31:59.180 --> 01:32:03.220
of the other girls. And which is so funny because

01:32:03.220 --> 01:32:04.939
you were just trying to get them off the show.

01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:08.460
She decides she's going to take some time to

01:32:08.460 --> 01:32:11.100
decide if staying in mom talk is the right thing

01:32:11.100 --> 01:32:13.159
to do. And she goes and she says, if the girl

01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:15.079
if you girls don't mind. And Taylor goes, yeah,

01:32:15.100 --> 01:32:25.260
we don't mind. I think when I watched this, I

01:32:25.260 --> 01:32:28.520
thought Demi was scared she was about to be voted

01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:31.300
out for the way that she was venomous all season

01:32:31.300 --> 01:32:34.180
long. So she removed herself before they could

01:32:34.180 --> 01:32:36.699
take a vote. I agree. That's what I think. You're

01:32:36.699 --> 01:32:43.560
100 percent right. And. The girls decide that

01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:45.300
in this moment, we're going to be better off

01:32:45.300 --> 01:32:48.279
without Demi because I think mom talk can finally

01:32:48.279 --> 01:32:51.619
start to heal. Sounds like she should just stay

01:32:51.619 --> 01:32:57.579
gone. I hope so. So the next day, Macy and Michaela

01:32:57.579 --> 01:33:03.840
go to Eric's crash site. And this was. This was

01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:09.689
obviously a big deal for Macy and. While I've

01:33:09.689 --> 01:33:12.390
had a hard time with Michaela this season, I

01:33:12.390 --> 01:33:15.210
think Michaela was a very, very, very good friend

01:33:15.210 --> 01:33:18.989
to her. I think the whole season Michaela was

01:33:18.989 --> 01:33:23.449
a good friend to Macy. Yes, but I think in this

01:33:23.449 --> 01:33:27.930
moment she showed the hell up. She did. She did.

01:33:28.029 --> 01:33:30.630
And this is a hard this had to be a hard thing

01:33:30.630 --> 01:33:33.149
because I've never been to the crash site where

01:33:33.149 --> 01:33:35.689
Jack's dad got in an accident. I've never been

01:33:35.689 --> 01:33:38.140
there. And, like, I can't imagine going there.

01:33:38.380 --> 01:33:42.699
Right. So, like, props to her for being so strong.

01:33:42.939 --> 01:33:45.460
Yes. I, again, cried and cried and cried and

01:33:45.460 --> 01:33:51.760
cried. But, like, yeah, I couldn't believe, like,

01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:54.939
that was such an emotional thing. And that's

01:33:54.939 --> 01:33:56.859
why I think we should read her book. I think

01:33:56.859 --> 01:33:58.380
I said this, like, a few episodes back. You'll

01:33:58.380 --> 01:34:01.680
get to the point where I think we should read

01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:04.340
her book because I can relate. And that's it.

01:34:05.400 --> 01:34:09.960
Absolutely. I've already pre -ordered it. I'll

01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:13.619
pre -order you a copy too. I'll get it. It's

01:34:13.619 --> 01:34:16.199
already too late. I'm doing it right now. I don't

01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:18.159
like e -books so I need a physical copy. I'll

01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:22.739
buy you a physical copy. Macy opens up about

01:34:22.739 --> 01:34:26.659
how she and Eric were in a fight when he passed

01:34:26.659 --> 01:34:30.060
and she actually found out about him passing

01:34:30.060 --> 01:34:32.579
from an Instagram post from one of his friends.

01:34:34.829 --> 01:34:37.630
I cannot imagine, like, being in a fight with

01:34:37.630 --> 01:34:42.470
someone and, like, you don't even know what you

01:34:42.470 --> 01:34:46.109
have left that's unsaid. And mind you, she didn't

01:34:46.109 --> 01:34:49.250
have to say this on the show. I think she is

01:34:49.250 --> 01:34:55.189
so strong for being that honest about her mindset

01:34:55.189 --> 01:34:59.569
and where she was when this happened. Like, wow.

01:35:01.130 --> 01:35:04.239
Yeah. I like the fact that she can admit to herself

01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:09.859
and to all of America that like they were in

01:35:09.859 --> 01:35:12.439
an argument when this happened. Like she didn't,

01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:15.100
no one made her say that. No one made her say

01:35:15.100 --> 01:35:17.680
anything. I really like respect her. Well, that's

01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:20.180
the thing is like. This is what I really appreciate

01:35:20.180 --> 01:35:22.300
about Macy is that she had the chance to rewrite

01:35:22.300 --> 01:35:24.619
a narrative here. She had the chance to say like,

01:35:24.699 --> 01:35:27.600
no, everything was fine. And she said, no, we

01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.159
were fighting. And I said some pretty horrific

01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:31.720
shit to him. And I regret what I said. Yeah.

01:35:32.340 --> 01:35:36.560
That's huge. Yeah. And then and again, Michaela

01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.399
comes out of the car with Macy and. And, you

01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:42.279
know, I feel about the whole religion thing,

01:35:42.380 --> 01:35:45.090
but like. And Michaela says, do you want me to

01:35:45.090 --> 01:35:46.989
say a little prayer? And like, I think in that

01:35:46.989 --> 01:35:49.670
moment, Macy really, really, really needed that.

01:35:50.090 --> 01:35:53.569
Yeah. And I'm going to cry about it now. Yeah,

01:35:53.569 --> 01:35:57.489
that was Macy was just or Michaela was a really

01:35:57.489 --> 01:36:00.390
good friend to Macy in that moment. One hundred

01:36:00.390 --> 01:36:03.369
percent. She was there for her in every capacity,

01:36:03.550 --> 01:36:06.630
but she also didn't like. She didn't make it

01:36:06.630 --> 01:36:09.409
more dramatic than it needed to be. She didn't

01:36:09.409 --> 01:36:11.890
drag it out. She didn't ask Macy a hundred times

01:36:11.890 --> 01:36:14.890
how she's feeling. She just let it be this. And

01:36:14.890 --> 01:36:18.189
she also said this is for Macy. This is for Macy

01:36:18.189 --> 01:36:20.510
to heal. And I am just here to support that.

01:36:20.590 --> 01:36:25.069
And that was huge. Yeah, I do think she's a really

01:36:25.069 --> 01:36:27.010
good friend to Macy. I think the problem with

01:36:27.010 --> 01:36:31.250
Michaela is that she's very. choosy with who

01:36:31.250 --> 01:36:33.829
she will be friends with. But when she's friends

01:36:33.829 --> 01:36:35.630
with someone, I think she's a pretty good friend.

01:36:35.829 --> 01:36:42.569
Yeah. So we come to the last scene of the season.

01:36:44.510 --> 01:36:48.430
Where Layla goes up to me, meet up with Marciano

01:36:48.430 --> 01:36:53.550
and Lord have mercy. You know exactly what I'm

01:36:53.550 --> 01:36:56.409
going to say about this man. Lord have mercy.

01:36:59.169 --> 01:37:02.029
marciano they get up to i guess his hotel room

01:37:02.029 --> 01:37:04.909
i don't know marciano pours himself a glass of

01:37:04.909 --> 01:37:08.689
straight tequila yeah a glass mind you not a

01:37:08.689 --> 01:37:12.670
double shot not a shot in a glass a full glass

01:37:12.670 --> 01:37:17.449
there are probably four or five shots just like

01:37:17.449 --> 01:37:20.569
in this cup no ice i mean it's a hardened alcoholic

01:37:20.569 --> 01:37:26.859
oh a hundred percent um Layla asked some questions

01:37:26.859 --> 01:37:29.859
about what went down between him and Demi. And

01:37:29.859 --> 01:37:32.479
Marciano says he thought it was a swinger situation

01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:36.140
and then he tried to kiss Demi. And then he tells

01:37:36.140 --> 01:37:40.420
a story about him and Jesse. And we get some

01:37:40.420 --> 01:37:45.340
context flashbacks about the rumors about them.

01:37:46.060 --> 01:37:49.449
Kissing in the bar. Yeah, Tom, Tom and Sir. And

01:37:49.449 --> 01:37:52.710
my God, Lisa Vanderpump, this is a field day

01:37:52.710 --> 01:37:55.789
for her. Every single one of her. She is thrilled.

01:37:56.710 --> 01:38:03.649
She is so happy. And then we we end on the cliffhanger

01:38:03.649 --> 01:38:07.789
where he says they fucked and it was a full blown

01:38:07.789 --> 01:38:12.069
affair. Yeah. And that's the end of the season,

01:38:12.130 --> 01:38:15.149
the end of the episode until the reunion. We'll

01:38:15.149 --> 01:38:19.399
talk about the reunion next time. But. Oh, whoa.

01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:24.819
I just it's just so out of left field. There's

01:38:24.819 --> 01:38:28.100
a lot there because like Jesse was my favorite

01:38:28.100 --> 01:38:31.880
all season. And so it's like I she's still my

01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:34.079
favorite. Her and Macy are still my favorites.

01:38:34.140 --> 01:38:36.640
Yeah. Number one. Number two. I don't know that

01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:40.359
I buy it. I don't know that I do either. We'll

01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.060
talk about it more because of the reunion. But

01:38:43.060 --> 01:38:47.210
like. I just don't know who's telling the truth

01:38:47.210 --> 01:38:51.250
at this point. No, I don't either. That's the

01:38:51.250 --> 01:38:54.289
end of the season. Yep, that's the end of the

01:38:54.289 --> 01:38:57.630
season of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Dear

01:38:57.630 --> 01:39:00.550
listener, thank you so much for being a part

01:39:00.550 --> 01:39:04.949
of today's episode. This has been Emma and I

01:39:04.949 --> 01:39:06.949
have been recording for four hours straight.

01:39:09.029 --> 01:39:14.430
It's a lot. I am going to. Jack knows it's the

01:39:14.430 --> 01:39:16.989
end because he took that iPad like you wouldn't

01:39:16.989 --> 01:39:19.710
believe. Thank you for being here. Thank you

01:39:19.710 --> 01:39:22.449
for being a part of this. We love you from Indy

01:39:22.449 --> 01:39:26.489
to Belgium to hopefully Italy soon. Hopefully

01:39:26.489 --> 01:39:30.289
Iceland soon because we want to come visit. Jack,

01:39:30.430 --> 01:39:33.369
do you have anything to close us out with? What

01:39:33.369 --> 01:39:35.770
do you want to say? Please. The mic is yours.

01:39:36.569 --> 01:39:40.829
Love. Say it loud. Say it proud. Love. Love.

01:39:42.590 --> 01:39:45.630
That's beautiful. We do love you guys. We do

01:39:45.630 --> 01:39:46.109
love you.