Travis FINALLY learns about wind with a literal scientist.

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That means next week I'm going to have time to

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do a Let's Research Mama, which I'm very excited

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about. I think we should get into wind. You want

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to do wind? I want to do wind. I would really

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like to have a grasp on wind. We can do wind.

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I think a concept, this doesn't have to be in

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the actual pod, but a concept would be you do

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a Let's Research and then try to explain it to

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me and then vice versa. Okay. You know what I

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mean? So like next time I would do want to try

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to explain it to you from my research. OK. Knowing

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that we both didn't understand it to start. I

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love that. Yeah, I think we should do that. OK.

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Hi, I'm Travis, and this is Bestie Approved.

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And obviously I am not here with Emma because

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she's still out on her maternity break. but uh

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i do have a fun podcast friend his name is jeff

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zurich uh he's a literal scientist he is the

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host of whimsical wavelengths which is a science

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podcast and um he is someone who's here to help

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with a pay point who's been or that's been going

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on in mine and emma's lives for our entire lives

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um he's here to help us understand wind so um

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jeff and uh tell us a little bit about yourself

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um sure so uh here's your life story in 30 seconds

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go um i guess i was a fun loving kid in the fact

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that i grew up wanting to be essentially a scientist

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i was one of those weird kids that you know by

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grade four i'm like i want to be a volcanologist

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and was too stubborn to give up on the dream

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so i went and got a degree in geophysics and

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then volunteered at the hawaiian volcano observatory

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my grades were not super stellar they were good

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enough but i used that volunteer stint in hbo

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hawaiian volcano observatory looking at kilauea

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and poking lava with sticks to get myself into

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grad school where i got to go back to hawaii

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i studied hawaii masaya and nicaragua and some

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of the cascades and then i couldn't quite manage

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to parlay that into a professorship so now i

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work in industry and solve complex problems looking

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for shiny things under the ground There's the

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30 seconds. Go. I'll take it. I love that. That's

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awesome. I didn't mention the podcast, though,

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which is something that came about as I got a

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desk job instead of traveling Canada into the

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most remote places, hundreds of kilometers away

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from the nearest road and pressing buttons to

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find that shiny things. Now I have the free time

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to be a bit more of an academic and I started

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a podcast on the side. So it is certainly not

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my day job, but it is a passion project. that's

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awesome your podcast is actually super fun i

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uh so for context to your listener we uh met

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because of the podcast hosting service that we

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both work through um rss .com and i don't think

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we're sponsored but we please sponsor us um but

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i i like i took a listen to it and i was like

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oh this guy's fine like he's like he's interesting

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and like you're engaging and like so I am glad

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that you host the podcast because I think you

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do put a fun little spin on things that can seem

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a little dry and a little not engaging. My favorite

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episode was the one you had about Nikola Tesla.

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I just had an absolute time listening to that

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one. For sure, check out Jeff's podcast. It's

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so good. I'll put it in the show notes. Thanks.

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Of course. Before we kick it off, this is something

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we ask everyone. What is the last song you listened

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to? Yeah, it is Control -Alt -Delete with Ren

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and the Skinner Brothers. Yeah, I had to look

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up the second part because Ren is what everyone

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actually knows. Or if they listen to that type

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of music. Never heard of it, but I'll put it

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on the list. My last song was Fast by Demi Lovato.

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So she's really making a comeback and I'm so

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excited for her. I knew that whatever song I

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was going to bring to the table was going to

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be very different than everything else. I should

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really share. I'm such a nerd that if I had a

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theme song, it'd be Weird Al's White and Nerdy.

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That's great. Yeah, exactly. I'll take it. Cool.

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Let's let's just kick it off. I'll tell you what

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So I wrote a little I like I actually took this

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very seriously. So my idea for this episode was

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I so I've And then I have talked a lot about

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this in our personal lives and we've touched

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on it in the show But like something that like

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has genuinely perplexed us for our entire existence

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is how does wind work? Where does it come from?

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Like it sounds so stupid because I feel like

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it's something you learn in like fifth or sixth

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grade by We've genuinely never just been able

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to grasp that concept and I like when I saw that

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like we were in this same chat with With Jeff

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I was like he's a scientist like he's he's going

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to he's gonna get this and he's gonna he's gonna

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figure it out So I actually said let let me see

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if I can like get a grasp on it I'm gonna try

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and explain it and then You tell me how much

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I got right how much I got wrong so i'm just

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gonna kick it off um so we decided to do a little

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uh mama let's research and this man of science

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is gonna let us know if we breeze through this

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or if we're just blowing hot air um okay so as

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i was gonna mention just like you guys do the

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whole uh song bit at the beginning my podcast

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we do a science joke at the end so every time

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i interview someone they have to come with a

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science joke i let them know ahead of time i

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do not surprise them but um yeah the groanier

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the joke the better so i fully approve love it

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okay so we thought we or i i say we i wrote this

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when emma was still like we weren't sure when

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the baby was coming like we weren't sure if it

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was coming this early or not so every time i

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say we it's it's she did help with this um but

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that would be a good idea to start with some

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background information about where we started

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and what we were working with as far as foundational

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knowledge so I know that as a child with ADHD,

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little Travis didn't have it in him the day that

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we covered wind in science class at Triton Elementary

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School. So I know that I wrote this section before

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we started the research, and I thought it'd be

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a good idea to open up the Apple Weather app.

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And it says wind is currently six miles per hour

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from the north. I'm sorry, from the east northeast.

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And today, wind speeds are one to six miles per

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hour with gusts up to 11 miles per hour. A couple

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things. How do they know? like are they just

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like throwing something into the wind and then

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seeing how fast it goes like when it flies by

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them um when does it go from being wind to being

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a gust how do they know wind speed is basically

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going to double at some point in the day and

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east northeast is wildly specific because i didn't

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know that we got deeper than northeast or southwest

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but that's cool um okay uh and this brings up

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an important question for me where does wind

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start like if it's coming from the east northeast

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where is it coming from and when you get to that

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starting point is there like a point where you

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cross like a wind wall where there's no wind

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on the other side of it so like would it not

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theoretically be pulling wind in and then like

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creating like a vacuum effect um Dear listener,

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please know that I've spent hours of my life

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being screamed at by my papa and my uncle Jeff

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because I've gone my entire life believing that

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wind was the direct result of Earth's rotation

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speeding up a little faster than normal. And

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that's my background knowledge about wind. So

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I did a little bit of a deep dive. So these were

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the questions. that were sparked by the weather

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app. And like these felt like the right questions

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to answer. So what is wind? What causes it? And

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where does it come from? So wind is just the

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perceptible movement of air in a direction parallel

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to the ground considered as a general feature

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of the atmosphere. And that told me absolutely

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nothing. So I went to watch a Bill Nye the Science

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Guy video. And he explained that wind is caused

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by heat from the sun and the rotation of the

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earth. I might have been onto something with

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my original theory about like the rotation of

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the earth is what I originally thought. The sun

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heats up the land. The heat rises as a result

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of the land being like hot. So the heat obviously

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rises and that heat also goes up into the air.

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And then this is where Bill and I kind of lost

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me because the air molecules still weigh the

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same regardless of how close they are to each

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other. So that let's just stop right there. Because

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this is, I guess, a misconception. So what he's

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saying is density. Oh. So in other words, you're

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creating... He did say it, but he said it without

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using the word density. I actually went and watched

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that video this morning and I was like, I see

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why Travis has this in his notes. He's not combining

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the fact to say that the wind is taking up more

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volume so it weighs less into the understanding

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that you're actually decreasing the density of

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that volume of air. So it does weigh less. The

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individual molecules do not really change. And

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now, again... We'll come back to this as we get

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further on. But as science gets more and more

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into the weeds, you can get things more and more

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complex. But you can usually boil the simple

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things down to something simple. So as you increase

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the energy of something, you actually increase

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its mass, sort of. Got it. E equals mc squared.

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But again, you're going... deep into other things

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right but broadly speaking you heat air up the

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air molecules move apart from one another they

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become less dense and that volume of air then

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begins to rise okay okay that that helps that

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okay that helps so then after that the warmer

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air molecules get pushed up by the cold air and

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then i don't really know where the cold air is

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coming from but like now that i think about it

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i guess it's just already there because it's

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like colder Like higher up, I guess. In his diagram,

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he put a block of ice on one side and light shining

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on quote unquote land on the other side of his

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aquarium. Sure. He was making the idea that the

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poles, i .e. the North and South Pole, don't

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get as much sunlight. So that's like our block

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of ice. That's an oversimplification, but that's

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what he's doing in that regard. I'll take that.

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like i'll take the oversimplification because

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like that actually kind of like clicks yeah i

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mean it is true like it i'm not saying what he

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did is false it's not it's true it's just when

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you're trying to look at wind patterns and weather

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on a global phenomenon you're kind of like yes

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that is there but fair um and then oh okay so

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then he puts like a uh like he puts like what

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you're talking about the smoke inside of like

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an acrylic box and then like the smoke starts

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making a loop because like it's it's going around

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the heated so it's it's heated as it as it's

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rising or so it's heated it rises and then it

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goes past the cold air and the or the the uh

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ice block and then it cools down and then it

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comes back down because it's heavier and then

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like that's so it's kind of making a circle and

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then like the circle is where it started to click

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so um i guess i didn't know what you're looking

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for connection yeah convection oh i was like

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no i am making the connection obviously um and

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then so i guess i didn't understand that the

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cooler air like is coming up from above the warmer

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air so it's uh displacing the warm air and that's

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and it's heading towards the ground so like i

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think it's just like pushing it out of the way

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basically is that kind of yeah kind of okay it

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does work like that but that's not really yeah

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that again starts to get into some of the more

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nuance instead of the the basic underlying what

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we're trying to get at here gorgeous okay well

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i promise i'm almost at the end of mine so like

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you are no worries and i expect you to stop me

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and ask questions and stuff as we try to walk

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through certain things perfect because i'm like

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because i'm like saying this out loud now and

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i'm like oh i thought i had a grasp on this and

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i'm like wait this is why i don't understand

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but you do you do what you've written does the

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basics right the super basics and we can walk

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through and i think With my skills that are hopefully

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too terrible, we'll break it down even further

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so you'll completely understand it and you can

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start shouting at the weatherman like some people

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shout at referees. Gorgeous. So then Bill Nye

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goes on to explain that the earth is spinning.

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So the wind is spinning with the earth and that's

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why wind comes from all different directions

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because if the earth wasn't spinning, wind would

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just go north to south. And then the spinning

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is actually... didn't fully understand what he

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was talking about so like i googled this and

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then the spinning situation is actually called

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the coriolis effect and that's why wind is coming

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from different directions um so long and short

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of it the sun creates areas of high pressure

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which is cold dense air and then low pressure

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which is hot lighter um the wind is the cold

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dense air rushing aggressively to displace and

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push the hot light air out of the way and this

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is all happening while the earth is spinning

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so it's curving the wind's path yep okay generally

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like as like a first order yeah that's correct

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awesome and then you tell me where i uh either

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went wrong or went right and then you also told

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me that this either this has an impact on climate

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change or climate change has an impact on this

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i don't remember which but i would like again

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i was i was saying to you that i could make a

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link there um but again like a lot of things

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um science is nuanced it's it's very rarely yes

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no unless it's like does gravity exist um fair

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so We're going to start with the wind thing and

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we'll come back to that because I think we need

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to build a little bit more before I can really

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talk about climate change in this regard and

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why wind as a vehicle to talk about it is difficult.

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So first off, when we talk about wind, it's differences

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in pressure. So temperature is what creates most

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of the time the difference. Differences in pressure.

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So remember what we were just saying that as

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you heat air up, the molecules move further apart,

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the density decreases and it starts to rise.

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So you can imagine as air rises, what does that

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do to the pressure? Wait, what does it do? What

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is pressure? Pressure is like things that confine

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you, right? If you go underneath the water into

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a deeper, deeper into the pool, the pressure

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gets higher and higher. Okay. Okay. So it's going

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to like expand as it goes up. Yeah. So what does

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that do to pressure as it expands? Decreases

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it. Exactly. So it decreases pressure. So you're

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almost creating a low pressure system. So you

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can think of it a bit like. uh if we want to

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use a physics term potential energy everything

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wants to be at the lowest potential energy so

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all of a sudden you have cold air nearby and

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you have low pressure that cold air it's kind

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of like a bowl rolling down a hill it wants to

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go to the low pressure because it's heavier it's

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denser it flows towards the low pressure to the

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lowest potential energy okay so okay pressure

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differences are what causes wind the bigger the

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pressure difference the bigger or the stronger

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the wind. Okay. So that's where we need to start.

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And I think the better example, I'm going to

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try to use Bill Nye, the science guy's example,

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but put it into words. So we're instead visualizing

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something that we can all imagine as opposed

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to an acrylic box in a particular setup. Because

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I think this is something that everyone listening

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or viewing, if we are recording the video on

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this, is going to be able to think about in their

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head as opposed to our ham -fisted attempts at

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explaining somebody else's experiment uh so we've

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all been beside a lake or an ocean and on particularly

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i would say summer days hot summer days so usually

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that means we have something like a high pressure

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system the wind is relatively calm there's no

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big pressure gradients anywhere so what in the

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middle of the day where do you think the wind

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is coming from probably off of the lake because

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the lake would be a little bit cooler right that

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is a hundred percent correct oh okay use that

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and maybe given my explanation that i just gave

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you can explain why so the pressure is going

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to be higher at the lake because it is cooler

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So you've got air molecules who are looking to

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get away from the... But meanwhile, it's a sunny

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day. What's happening on land? It's much hotter

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on land. Which? So which is much less dense because

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there's much less pressure because it's hotter.

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Right. So it's less dense, lower pressure, and

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the dense, higher pressure air flows from the

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lake or the ocean towards land. Right. Now, at

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night, what happens? The land is going to get

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cooler. So it's probably going to go in the opposite

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direction. That's right. Because land, the water

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is going to stay warmer. It takes a lot of effort

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to cool that water. So it's going to stay warmer

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than the land in the middle of the night. And

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so the warm, warmer air will be over the water

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and the land will be cooler. And so you'll get

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a reverse. Okay. Okay. And this all assumes that

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you're in a high -pressure situation, so that

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way these light breezes can actually switch direction,

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right? Sure. Now, just to keep this in mind,

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we're talking about something that's very local.

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it has nothing to do with the corealis effect

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because it's on such a local scale so when we

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start talking about corealis effect and earth

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spinning it absolutely has an effect there's

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no question but we're really starting to talk

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large scale versus small scale and this example

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just kind of shows that wind can be affected

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by topography by water bodies and a number of

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different you even mentioned altitude so there's

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lots of examples of these sorts of things being

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created on a local scale okay so hopefully that

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all made sense no totally it absolutely did yeah

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no totally like this is actually great okay well

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we need to then before we get to the climate

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change thing is talk about something else that

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is a little bit more nuanced okay because it's

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not simply just heating and cooling okay We're

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going to talk about hurricanes. Okay. Do you

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have any idea what's required for a hurricane?

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Let's start there. Wind and water? Well, water

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is yes. Wind is something that kind of builds,

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that becomes part of the hurricane. But why do

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hurricanes form? Got into my head. I couldn't

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tell you. I bet you. I bet you I can pull something

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out of you. So when do hurricanes happen in the

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Atlantic Basin? It's like a... early spring situation

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right that's kind it's kind of late spring is

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the start so and it goes through oh november

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1st if i remember correctly don't quote me on

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that it might be december 1st but i think it's

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november 1st so what it's over the summer okay

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so where the land is heating up so you've got

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significant amounts of water that are like in

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air that are being pulled from The ocean, which

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is no. Okay. No, the big thing you need is warm

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water. Okay. You have to have water. That's I'm

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sorry. I don't speak in Fahrenheit. I'm above

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26 degrees Celsius. So what is that? Like 80,

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80, 80 ish. Yeah. Fahrenheit. So you need warm

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water. Okay. One of the things that is lighter

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than the air at the bottom is water vapor. So

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as you evaporate water, it's less dense than

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air and it begins to rise. Now you have a pressure

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differential because all of a sudden our air

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is going up. Other air has to come in. As that

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air goes up, it's water vapor. It starts to condense

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as it reaches the higher part of the atmosphere.

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That process is also a thermal process. When

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things condense, it releases energy. Okay. As

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it releases energy, it heats the atmosphere.

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That atmosphere up top then becomes less dense.

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So it's low pressure because it's condensing.

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So it sucks up more water or more water vapor

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from the bottom. Got it. Okay. It's like an engine,

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if you want to think of it that way. Because

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you need the warm water, the warm, hot, humid

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water to be able to create this engine of constantly

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bringing... the water vapor up into the atmosphere.

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Okay. So without that, you're never going to

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get a hurricane. And now you have this huge pressure

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differential, right? You keep building and building

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and building and building and building and building,

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and you have this huge low right in the center,

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centered over the eyewall. And then the wind

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field is just the difference in pressure from

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there to the outside of the storm. Okay. Okay.

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Because you need differences in pressure. So

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if you ever look on a weather map and look at

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these hurricanes, they're just like these bullseyes,

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right? And even if you look at the pressure,

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specifically the pressure, and if you've ever

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looked at a topographic map, although I have

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a feeling that we're almost... too old my kids

00:23:44.089 --> 00:23:46.549
are like what's the topographic map but um the

00:23:46.549 --> 00:23:49.309
topographic map i know i know you do but i mean

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there's like at some point it all becomes um

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google satellite imagery right fair yeah no one

00:23:55.809 --> 00:23:57.390
knows how to use the topographic map anymore

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at any rate so if you look at the contours of

00:24:01.029 --> 00:24:03.210
the pressure you're just going to see this deepening

00:24:03.210 --> 00:24:07.109
well um around these hurricanes and it's that

00:24:07.109 --> 00:24:09.589
pressure difference from the outside to the inside

00:24:09.589 --> 00:24:12.960
that's just creating the wind right as wind whips

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.819
around trying to get to you can think of it as

00:24:16.819 --> 00:24:23.299
again potential energy sure okay so uh one thing

00:24:23.299 --> 00:24:25.259
thing now this is where it gets a little more

00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:28.460
tricky if i go from hurricanes and big storms

00:24:28.460 --> 00:24:31.160
and wind in general and trying to get it to climate

00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:35.220
change the models and the science are nuanced

00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:37.440
in some areas wind will actually become less

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in some areas wind will become a little bit more

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when we start talking about hurricanes the climate

00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:48.420
change may actually decrease the number of hurricanes

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and i see may because we're doing forward looking,

00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:55.039
right? We're not taking an observation of today

00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:57.359
and going, yes, this is the physics and everything

00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.059
works out. We're like, if we understand the dynamics

00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:03.539
of our atmosphere due to increases in warming,

00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.819
due to our greenhouse gas emissions, et cetera,

00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:09.400
then we think it's going to increase wind shear.

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Yes, I'm throwing out more terms and I already

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.059
see you going, okay, how do I place this and

00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:20.380
everything else? But if... Our hurricane has

00:25:20.380 --> 00:25:26.059
everything moving up, creating the load pressure

00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:28.819
at the top and sucking up more and more and more.

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If we take wind shear, that's like pushing at

00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:36.400
the top of that whole heat engine. Okay. Okay.

00:25:36.819 --> 00:25:39.180
So if you're pushing at the top, you're going

00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:41.920
to smear out that heat engine. You're going to

00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:43.980
disrupt it. You're actually going to knock off

00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:45.880
the cloud tops because you're going to move them

00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:49.349
and you're disrupting it so it can't form. you

00:25:49.349 --> 00:25:54.849
can't get this runaway effect of I see the ah

00:25:54.849 --> 00:25:58.069
in your mouth there for those who are not watching

00:25:58.069 --> 00:26:02.769
so so as you knock off the top you're disrupting

00:26:02.769 --> 00:26:04.529
that heat engine and you're going to cause the

00:26:04.529 --> 00:26:06.349
hurricane if it's already formed to start to

00:26:06.349 --> 00:26:09.089
fall apart because you're disrupting it the other

00:26:09.089 --> 00:26:11.049
way you can disrupt a hurricane is cool the water

00:26:11.049 --> 00:26:13.710
beneath it or have it go over land because now

00:26:13.710 --> 00:26:16.589
it's losing its engine source so the same idea

00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:19.200
to both of those situations is having lots of

00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.579
vertical or wind shear changing, being able to

00:26:22.579 --> 00:26:26.339
knock off those storm tops. And we think climate

00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:29.039
change is actually going to increase this kind

00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.240
of shear. However, it's also going to increase

00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.279
the temperature of the water. So the prevailing

00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.319
theory or idea is that we may probably will get

00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.380
a fewer number of hurricanes in the Atlantic

00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:45.000
Basin. Specifically, I'm talking about the Atlantic

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.279
Basin. I'm not talking about the Pacific or across

00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:50.420
the Pacific when we start talking about typhoons.

00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:52.220
I'm really talking about the Atlantic Basin here.

00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:56.579
We'll get an increase in shear winds, reducing

00:26:56.579 --> 00:26:59.119
the number of hurricanes, but we're also going

00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.960
to have warmer water. So when the conditions

00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.200
are conducive to create this heat engine, to

00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.119
have this flare up, the hurricanes are going

00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:11.799
to be stronger. Okay, so like... Not as often,

00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:15.299
but much more intense when they do happen. Yeah.

00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.079
Okay. Okay. And that fits with the general theme

00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:19.759
when we start looking at other things as well.

00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:23.240
Like we talk about weather extremes as opposed

00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.000
to specific like trends, right? We're going to

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.420
see more extremes, more droughts, more flooding,

00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:32.960
and not necessarily on a daily basis. It's just

00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.839
when these events happen, they're going to be

00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:39.529
more extreme. Okay. And that goes right across

00:27:39.529 --> 00:27:44.569
from storm systems to heat, to rain, even to

00:27:44.569 --> 00:27:48.470
snow. Because disruptions in that whole wind

00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:50.730
field and the temperature differential between

00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:55.609
our North Pole and the equator can cause a destabilization

00:27:55.609 --> 00:27:58.589
or, wow, words, so tough, 8 o 'clock in the morning,

00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:03.130
destabilizes the weather patterns in the Arctic

00:28:03.130 --> 00:28:06.549
and can cause the... polar vortex to come further

00:28:06.549 --> 00:28:09.210
south than it normally does as well, which can

00:28:09.210 --> 00:28:13.190
create really nasty cold snaps and crazy snowstorms

00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:18.069
in northern Texas and Florida. So it's more than

00:28:18.069 --> 00:28:21.809
just a heating. It's a destabilization. And when

00:28:21.809 --> 00:28:24.650
this destabilization happens to our weather patterns,

00:28:24.750 --> 00:28:26.970
it's going to create extremes and wacky weather.

00:28:27.089 --> 00:28:30.430
And they will happen more often under climate

00:28:30.430 --> 00:28:35.509
change than they would otherwise. got it okay

00:28:35.509 --> 00:28:39.450
which is kind of why we need to do something

00:28:39.450 --> 00:28:42.549
we should do something and i so i don't know

00:28:42.549 --> 00:28:47.009
what to do but i feel like you probably have

00:28:47.009 --> 00:28:52.190
a tip because i recycle and like i don't i don't

00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:54.109
run my heat constantly but like i don't know

00:28:54.109 --> 00:28:57.009
what else to do well this is what it comes down

00:28:57.009 --> 00:29:00.890
to right is that you can't i get really frustrated

00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:03.789
with people blaming other people who are living

00:29:03.789 --> 00:29:06.730
in society it's like i have to blame someone

00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:10.609
for dealing with the system that exists like

00:29:10.609 --> 00:29:12.829
that's just crazy you have a car you need to

00:29:12.829 --> 00:29:14.730
get to work let's not shame somebody because

00:29:14.730 --> 00:29:17.789
they have a car like that's ridiculous but there

00:29:17.789 --> 00:29:20.450
are things that we need to do as voters in a

00:29:20.450 --> 00:29:24.069
democracy where we can start choosing or forcing

00:29:24.069 --> 00:29:26.529
our politicians regardless of stripe or partisan

00:29:26.529 --> 00:29:28.869
politics that we need to move in certain directions

00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:32.789
like that's they will move if people ask them

00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:36.609
to because that's what their job is and so things

00:29:36.609 --> 00:29:41.650
like moving towards electric cars moving towards

00:29:41.650 --> 00:29:48.539
uh i mean for all its talk um both in canada

00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:52.319
which is where i'm from canadiany um the alberta

00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.420
and you know texas they're the oil capitals of

00:29:55.420 --> 00:29:57.759
north america and our respective countries but

00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.259
yet they are the leaders when it comes to solar

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and wind yeah because the economics are there

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right solar is cheaper than coal in general i

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mean yeah it takes more time to build up the

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the capacity of solar but what for what solar

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is cheaper. And so we're getting to a point where

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the system as a whole is starting to make a switch.

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And so we just need to help that along as individuals.

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I'm not talking about forgoing a vacation necessarily.

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It's about changing just the whole system, changing

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short plane rides eventually need to become electric

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instead of jet fuel. Long plane rides will probably

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always use jet fuel because it just is what it

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is. You need enough energy. yeah you run into

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a physical limitation for sure yeah right cool

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so that helps that helps a lot like first of

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all a thank you for helping me understand wind

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b thank you for kind of i guess putting it all

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together and like in a bigger context because

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like i think I didn't come into this thinking

00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.559
like, oh, we're going to we're going to walk

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away from it thinking, hey, this is something

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that like actually does matter in the grand scheme

00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.700
of things where this will impact people's lives.

00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:23.039
This will I don't like I mean, I think back to

00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.920
like Hurricane Katrina, where like New Orleans

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and like parts of Louisiana are still dealing

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.200
with that situation. So I would like to avoid

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that on a societal level as much as possible.

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So understanding the like impacts of what we're

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doing everywhere. And how that like that paints

00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.599
the bigger picture is super helpful. And last

00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.740
thing, I think there's like something that this

00:31:51.740 --> 00:31:53.859
has been a theme in my life lately where I've

00:31:53.859 --> 00:31:56.240
talked to like I've been I think on the receiving

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.099
end of like where I am with you right now, like

00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:01.240
I'm the roles have been reversed a little bit

00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.960
where I've been explaining like financial models

00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.720
or like something to someone like on a on a business

00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:12.140
perspective. And I think there's a perception

00:32:12.140 --> 00:32:14.220
where like when someone knows something that

00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:17.759
you don't, that you're immediately stupid. And

00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.079
I appreciate you not making me feel stupid for

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not understanding wind. Oh my gosh. What is it?

00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.599
I have been in the game long enough to know what

00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.960
I don't know. And it's a lot. Oh my goodness.

00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.859
It would be so hypocritical of me to take that

00:32:36.859 --> 00:32:41.700
tact. Like. And quite frankly, I have a podcast

00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:44.940
about science communication. I mean, there's

00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:49.519
so much to learn in the world today. And it's,

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.819
I don't want, I want people to stay curious.

00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:55.380
I want people to be engaged. I want people to

00:32:55.380 --> 00:32:59.339
learn. I don't want to make Idiocracy, the movie,

00:32:59.539 --> 00:33:04.960
you know, become a reality. So, yeah, of course.

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.680
And I love the chance to go on your show here

00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.660
and be able to opine about science in general.

00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.440
It's a lot of fun. It's I mean, I started a podcast

00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.099
that I like to sound in my own voice. I mean,

00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:20.599
what? It's just it's too bad that I didn't get

00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.539
to meet the other half of this podcast right

00:33:22.539 --> 00:33:25.859
here and now. And maybe there'll be another opportunity

00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:29.660
in the future. There absolutely will be. You've

00:33:29.660 --> 00:33:32.119
been. so amazing so helpful i know this is a

00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.880
much shorter episode than normal um i'm still

00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.539
trying to figure out like what the footing looks

00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:39.279
like this is for the listener like this i'm still

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:40.740
trying to figure out what it looks like until

00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.940
emma comes back and realistically probably like

00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:46.640
february um so sorry that we didn't have a reality

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.859
roundup today i can't imagine that jeff prepared

00:33:48.859 --> 00:33:50.500
by watching the real housewives of salt lake

00:33:50.500 --> 00:33:54.359
city last night but no that's not really my cup

00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.849
of tea And that's okay because science is not

00:33:57.849 --> 00:34:02.170
mine. But no, you can come back on literally

00:34:02.170 --> 00:34:04.490
anytime you want. And I'm sure when Emma hears

00:34:04.490 --> 00:34:06.309
this, she's going to be furious that I did this

00:34:06.309 --> 00:34:09.230
without her. But we'll cross that bridge together

00:34:09.230 --> 00:34:10.590
because I'm sure there's something else about

00:34:10.590 --> 00:34:12.389
science that we don't understand. But thank you

00:34:12.389 --> 00:34:14.170
so much for being here, Jeff. Tell the people

00:34:14.170 --> 00:34:17.070
where they can find you. They can find me on

00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:19.750
Facebook, Instagram, and Blue Sky at Whimsical

00:34:19.750 --> 00:34:22.889
Wavelengths. The podcast is Whimsical Wavelengths,

00:34:22.889 --> 00:34:25.909
a science podcast. I'm always looking for new

00:34:25.909 --> 00:34:30.829
show ideas and just poke me on Instagram or Facebook.

00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:33.429
So that way I'm not talking into the void. The

00:34:33.429 --> 00:34:37.590
more interaction, the better. Awesome. I'll put

00:34:37.590 --> 00:34:41.369
your episode or your show in my show notes. But

00:34:41.369 --> 00:34:44.349
go listen to it for real. Like, it's super interesting.

00:34:44.530 --> 00:34:48.849
You'll have an absolute time. But from Indy to

00:34:48.849 --> 00:34:52.329
Alberta to wherever you are, we love you. And

00:34:52.329 --> 00:34:55.199
thank you for listening. Thank you.